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Title: F1 2022 season
Post by: stevo qld on September 03, 2021, 08:11:45 PM
With Kimi gone, it is presumed by many that Bottas will take the Alfa seat on a two year deal.

I wonder if Mercedes try to keep him in the fold.

The Williams seat with cashed up new owners and the Mercedes engine could be a good two year deal.

The seat currently occupied by Vettel at Aston Martin could become available if (a) Vettel retires or (b) Vettel returns to the Ferrari fold at Alfa. He certainly hasn't done all that well at Aston Martin. A change may be good for him and we shouldn't forget that a lot of surplus Ferrari staff (salary cap) have suddenly diverted to Haas but still based at Ferrari precinct. These are people that Vettel knows and has worked with, so a Ferrari "B" team???

All three teams could be good seats with the salary cap bringing the top current teams closer. All three have owners determined to improve and each needs a good experienced driver in the main slot.

Mercedes clearly know the answers but are keeping quiet at this time, possible so as not to take the shine off their customer team announcements.

There are a few other seats up for grabs but only for newcomers and minor players.  A few current drivers may be looking at another category if they wish to keep racing,

We should know soon.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: mikeamerica84 on September 04, 2021, 05:05:12 AM
Now that we are on the subject of 2022, here is something that I thought was dead and done for the locals and the local board were totally against it but the mayor was for it and had the power to override.  The F1 GP circuit in Miami:


https://racer.com/2021/09/02/miami-f1-circuit-to-be-called-miami-international-autodrome/

Miami F1 circuit to be called Miami International Autodrome
By Chris Medland | September 2, 2021 9:27 AM ET

The organizers of the Miami Grand Prix have announced the official name of the track will be the “Miami International Autodrome.”

Miami will join the Formula 1 calendar in May next year, ensuring there are two grands prix in America alongside Circuit of The Americas in Austin. The track around Hard Rock Stadium had yet to be given a specific name but that has now been confirmed as preparations continue for its debut in 2022.

“I’m happy to reveal that the official name of our circuit is the Miami International Autodrome,” said Tom Garfinkel, managing partner of the F1 Miami Grand Prix. “We’ve worked hard to create a circuit that has great racing and multiple passing opportunities.

“In addition, we are working to innovate fan experiences across the Hard Rock Stadium sports and entertainment campus in Miami Gardens; experiences that reflect how Miami has become an international curator of culture across food, art, fashion, music, and sports.”

Despite Miami becoming the second F1 race in the United States, there is no shortage of appetite in terms of ticket requests, with Miami Grand Prix CEO Richard Cregan giving more details about the wide reach of the interest.

“Already we are beyond 150,000 enquiries for tickets and hospitality, which is enormously encouraging when we have not yet announced the date of our inaugural Miami Grand Prix,” Cregan said.

“Almost one third of those enquiries have been from corporate bookers looking to access the world class hospitality for which all events at the Hard Rock Stadium campus are renowned, and 25 percent of all enquiries to date have come from overseas.

“As we roll out more of the detailed planning work that is being invested into the experience, and the levels of personalization on offer, we are sure that the Miami International Autodrome will be a focal point for fans from around the world.”
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stevo qld on September 05, 2021, 12:11:52 AM
Referring to my OP, I wonder if the 2022 Alfa Team or Haas could have Sebastian Vettel and Mick Schumacher as their drivers.
It would be a great pairing with both having strong Ferrari ties and both effectively a "B" or "C' Ferrari Teams.

It would certainly free up a seat for a Mercedes driver in the Mercedes "B" or "C" Teams..

Both Aston Martin and Williams both have relatively new owners and both are well cashed up to provide improved cars in the 20-22 and 2023 era, with it's reduced expenditure cap.

IMHO, Bottas would do well in either team, but a two year contract at Williams would be my choice.

The Driver potential changes are, again IMHO, much more interesting than than actual races.

We await Toto's pronouncements and the teams individual announcements/


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How ‘mentor’ Vettel is giving back to the Schumacher family
PRIME
FORMULA 1 SPECIAL FEATURE
How ‘mentor’ Vettel is giving back to the Schumacher family
By:
GP Racing
Sep 3, 2021, 11:29 PM
Mick Schumacher isn’t the only ‘son of’ to reach F1, but he’s done so in the absence of his father in recent years. Step forward Sebastian Vettel: a fan of Michael growing up, mentored by him, and now acting as ‘big brother’ to Mick. Oleg Karpov explains the four-time world champion's role in settling Schumacher Jr into the big leagues.

“I still am a Michael fan,” said Sebastian Vettel after it was announced at the end of last year that the seven-time world champion’s son, Mick Schumacher, was joining the Formula 1 grid. “I’m happy to help where I can, because he [Mick] is a great guy and obviously I have a very special connection to his father.

“I think it’s very important for him to find his own path. But surely, as much as it helped when Michael had some things to say when I asked, and gave me advice, I’m trying to do the same to him.

https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/how-mentor-vettel-is-giving-back-to-the-schumacher-family/6659401/
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on September 07, 2021, 09:31:15 AM
Bottas confirmed at Alfa Romeo for 2022:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-to-drive-for-alfa-romeo-f1-team-in-2022/6661654/

Only a matter of time until George is confirmed at Mercedes, then. 2022 will be an interesting year for the team!
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on September 07, 2021, 03:21:22 PM
Bottas confirmed at Alfa Romeo for 2022:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-to-drive-for-alfa-romeo-f1-team-in-2022/6661654/

Only a matter of time until George is confirmed at Mercedes, then. 2022 will be an interesting year for the team!

Great move for the whole sport. Get to see what George can do, if he truly can challenge Lewis.
We also get to see if Bottas still has it - the jury has certainly been out. A move to a mid-pack team is probably the breath of fresh air he needs.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Sonic on September 07, 2021, 03:58:48 PM
Bottas confirmed at Alfa Romeo for 2022:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-to-drive-for-alfa-romeo-f1-team-in-2022/6661654/

Only a matter of time until George is confirmed at Mercedes, then. 2022 will be an interesting year for the team!

Great move for the whole sport. Get to see what George can do, if he truly can challenge Lewis.
We also get to see if Bottas still has it - the jury has certainly been out. A move to a mid-pack team is probably the breath of fresh air he needs.

And we will see if Merc is prepared to let him race or if he is going to be made LH's pet boy
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on September 07, 2021, 04:29:38 PM
Bottas confirmed at Alfa Romeo for 2022:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-to-drive-for-alfa-romeo-f1-team-in-2022/6661654/

Only a matter of time until George is confirmed at Mercedes, then. 2022 will be an interesting year for the team!

Great move for the whole sport. Get to see what George can do, if he truly can challenge Lewis.
We also get to see if Bottas still has it - the jury has certainly been out. A move to a mid-pack team is probably the breath of fresh air he needs.

And we will see if Merc is prepared to let him race or if he is going to be made LH's pet boy

I'd think the fact they're bringing George up means they'd race. Otherwise you'd just leave Bottas there? Hope so anyway.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Sonic on September 07, 2021, 05:54:01 PM
Bottas confirmed at Alfa Romeo for 2022:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-to-drive-for-alfa-romeo-f1-team-in-2022/6661654/

Only a matter of time until George is confirmed at Mercedes, then. 2022 will be an interesting year for the team!

Great move for the whole sport. Get to see what George can do, if he truly can challenge Lewis.
We also get to see if Bottas still has it - the jury has certainly been out. A move to a mid-pack team is probably the breath of fresh air he needs.

And we will see if Merc is prepared to let him race or if he is going to be made LH's pet boy

I'd think the fact they're bringing George up means they'd race. Otherwise you'd just leave Bottas there? Hope so anyway.

Hope so Sman... and if not I hope GR just goes out and whoops his ass and then moves to another team with the number 1!
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on September 07, 2021, 08:39:16 PM
Bottas confirmed at Alfa Romeo for 2022:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-to-drive-for-alfa-romeo-f1-team-in-2022/6661654/

Only a matter of time until George is confirmed at Mercedes, then. 2022 will be an interesting year for the team!

And George now confirmed at Mercedes:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.mercedes-announce-george-russell-will-partner-lewis-hamilton-in-2022.jtndbCmN3CR8Lm9s54e4T.html
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stp01 on September 08, 2021, 07:31:18 AM
Well deserved for Russell!
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stevo qld on September 24, 2021, 11:17:29 AM
I have  seen a report recently that Michael Andretti is interested in F!.

There seems to be a general assumption that HAAS is the most likely seller.

However, with the recent death of a significant McLaren shareholder, I wonder who owns it now.

Could Andretti be looking at McLaren, a team he previously raced for?
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: mikeamerica84 on September 24, 2021, 10:21:13 PM
Inaugural Miami GP race date confirmed

By Chris Medland | September 23, 2021 9:27 AM ET

Formula 1’s first Miami Grand Prix will take place on the weekend of May 6-8, 2022, the race organizers have announced.

Formula 1 has yet to release its 2022 calendar, with a schedule expected to be revealed in the middle of next month at the same time it is submitted to the FIA World Motor Sport Council. However, the race in Miami had already been confirmed as being held in May and a firm date has been allowed to be published in order to allow more concrete preparations to be made.

“We’ve worked hard to create a track with great racing and a venue with unparalleled fan experiences,” Miami Grand Prix managing partner Tom Garfinkel said. “There has been tremendous enthusiasm and anticipation for this event, and we’re happy to be able to announce the date so that people can start planning for it.”

Construction of the circuit at Hard Rock Stadium is ongoing despite the start of the NFL season, and Miami Grand Prix CEO Richard Cregan says there will be further announcements regarding the event in the coming weeks.

“There is no doubt in my mind that the Formula 1 community and the sport’s fanbase worldwide are going to be amazed by what they see next May,” Cregan said.

“The circuit construction is progressing in line with expectations, and now that we have our date confirmed with Formula 1, we can rapidly follow up with revealing more of the detail of the experience that will be enjoyed at the trackside which will make this a truly stand-out addition to the calendar.

“This location is already well known for creating unforgettable experiences for events like the Super Bowl and Miami Open. We look forward to embracing an entirely new global sporting occasion.”

https://racer.com/2021/09/23/inaugural-miami-gp-race-date-confirmed/
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: mikeamerica84 on September 24, 2021, 10:24:05 PM
Haas retains Mazepin and Schumacher for 2022

By Chris Medland | September 23, 2021 8:56 AM ET

Haas has confirmed it will retain an unchanged driver line-up of Nikita Mazepin and Mick Schumacher for the 2022 season.

The two rookies were brought in over the winter, replacing the experienced pairing of Romain Grosjean and Kevin Magnussen. As Haas was prioritizing next season’s new regulations, this year was seen as a learning campaign for Mazepin and Schumacher, and while they have had a number of run-ins they will remain with the team in 2022 to build on their experience.

“We knew we wanted continuity behind the wheel in 2022 and I’m happy to confirm exactly that with Mick Schumacher and Nikita Mazepin competing for Uralkali Haas F1 Team next year,” team principal Guenther Steiner said. “2021 has afforded both drivers the opportunity to learn Formula 1 — and as rookies — they’ve done a lot of that this year.

“It’s been a tough season for sure with the package we’ve had, but at the same time they’ve both embraced the challenge and worked closely with the team to learn our processes and adapt to the rigors of a Formula 1 campaign and all that brings — both internally and externally.

“Now as we look ahead to the 2022 season, we’re confident we can move forward as a team and give Mick and Nikita a competitive race package to make the next step in their Formula 1 careers.”

Ferrari-backed Schumacher currently holds the team’s best result of 12th this season, and is confident he will be driving more competitive machinery next year.

“By being part of the Formula 1 field, I am living my dream,” Schumacher said. “The first year together with Haas F1 is very exciting and instructive, and I’m sure I can bring all the experience I’ve gained into the coming year.

“New technical regulations, the impressive ambition of the entire Haas F1 team and the support of Ferrari — of course I believe this will bring us closer to the field in the 2022 season and we will be able to fight for points. I’m looking forward to being part of a team that is getting stronger, and I’ll do everything I can from my side to move us forward.

“Finally, I would like to thank the Ferrari Driver Academy for the trust they continue to give me and the support they have shown me over the years.”

The announcement comes at the start of Mazepin’s first home grand prix in Russia, and he adds he is keen to continue his development with Haas into a second season.

“I’m very excited for next year, the new car and simply just to get the opportunity with Haas F1 Team and grow together with them,” Mazepin said. “I think we will come out strong next year.”

https://racer.com/2021/09/23/haas-retains-mazepin-and-schumacher-for-2022/
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stevo qld on September 24, 2021, 10:40:20 PM
I have  seen a report recently that Michael Andretti is interested in F!.

There seems to be a general assumption that HAAS is the most likely seller.

However, with the recent death of a significant McLaren shareholder, I wonder who owns it now.

Could Andretti be looking at McLaren, a team he previously raced for?

I have done a bit of Googling and come up with this. i don't know what changes were made in the meantime.

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Who are the major shareholders of McLaren Group?
As of February 2019, the Bahrain royal family's Mumtalakat investment company owns 56% of McLaren Group, Mansour Ojjeh (TAG Group) owns 14%, Michael Latifi owns 10% and minor shareholders owning the rest.

However, if correct, there might be a majority stake swinging in the wind.

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McLaren has announced that Mansour Ojjeh, a shareholder of the team since 1984, has passed away at the age of 68.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mclaren-announce-death-mansour-ojjeh/
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stevo qld on November 16, 2021, 09:59:39 AM
It is reported that the VW group has purchased the McLaren group via Audi.

If so, it probably won't affect 2022 as much as it will when the new engine rules kick in.

The report has been denied, but I would like to see it eventuate.

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motor1.com
Audi Is Buying The Entire McLaren Group: Report
 Adrian Padeanu 11 hrs ago


McLaren apparently refused the initial offer, but Audi came back with a better deal and the two parties reached an agreement.
Our lazy Sunday was interrupted when Automotive News' sister site Automobilwoche published an article in which it claimed McLaren would be sold and split into two. According to the German magazine's report, the plan consisted of BMW buying the road car division, with Audi purchasing the motorsport branch to take control of the Formula 1 team.

However, a BMW spokesperson was quick to refute that rumor in an interview with Bloomberg, while an Audi representative only said the Ingolstadt-based marque "routinely considers various ideas for cooperation" as part of its "strategic deliberations." There still could be some truth in the original reporting from Automobilwoche as Autocar claims Audi is buying the entire McLaren Group.

For those unfamiliar with the corporate side of McLaren, Mumtalakat owns 62.55 percent of the shares, meaning it effectively controls the supercar brand and the increasingly competitive F1 team. According to the official website, the Bahrain Mumtalakat Holding Company represents the sovereign wealth fund of the government of the Kingdom of Bahrain.

Autocar reports the first offer made by the Volkswagen Group through the Four Rings was refused as the board of directors and McLaren executive chairman Paul Walsh wanted double the amount. The two parties eventually reached an understanding, and the unspecified source mentioned by the British magazine says McLaren will indeed be changing hands soon.

Provided the deal is actually happening, it will pave the way for the VW Group to enter F1 following a lengthy period of discussions for a potential 2026 entry when the engine will be overhauled once again. Perhaps more interesting is how the road-going side of McLaren will be positioned within the family seeing as how the hierarchy is already quite complicated what with Porsche, Lamborghini, and the newly formed Bugatti Rimac.

Source: Autocar

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/audi-is-buying-the-entire-mclaren-group-report/ar-AAQIK8u?ocid=msedgntp

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McLaren rejects Audi sale reports
Mat Coch
By Mat Coch

Tuesday 16th November, 2021 - 2:26am
McLaren has issued a statement rejecting claims McLaren Group has been sold to Audi.

Autocar reported that the German automaker had purchased the McLaren Group, thereby paving the way for its entry into Formula 1.

That has been swiftly denied by McLaren, which issued a terse rebuttal.

“McLaren Group is aware of a news media report stating it has been sold to Audi,” the statement began.

“This is wholly inaccurate and McLaren is seeking to have the story removed.

“McLaren’s technology strategy has always involved ongoing discussions and collaboration with relevant partners and suppliers, including other carmakers, however, there has been no change in the ownership structure of the McLaren Group.”

McLaren Group is the overarching company which encompasses McLaren Racing and McLaren Automotive.

It previously also included McLaren Applied, though that business was sold to Greybull Capital in August.

Zak Brown is CEO of McLaren Group, with Paul Walsh Chairman, while Andreas Seidl heads up its Formula 1 operation.

After cashflow issues last year as COVID-19 hit, both McLaren Racing and McLaren Automotive have since secured additional funding and are in healthy financial positions.

Recently, McLaren Racing has expanded its portfolio with an increased stake in IndyCar and an all-new Extreme E team.

It is also exploring potential entries into Formula E and the World Endurance Championship, the latter for which it has expressed the need for an engine partner.

Fundamentally, those additional programmes are designed to increase the commercial desirability of the F1 squad by affording sponsors access to a range of other platforms and markets.

McLaren Racing also has a number of key infrastructure projects in flight, including a new wind tunnel and simulator, both of which are yet to come online.

The Volkswagen Audi Group has long been linked with a move into Formula 1, with both Audi and Porsche having been present for discussions regarding its future power unit regulations in recent months.

Purchasing an existing team is the easiest path into the sport, as a $200 million anti-dilution fee is payable for any newcomer wishing to join the grid on top of any requirement to stand up an operation.

However, the appetite for existing teams to sell is low, as seen by Michael Andretti in recent weeks, as the benefits of the sport’s new financial regulations are seen.

A cost cap introduced this year has offered a degree of certainty when it comes to expenditure, increasing market confidence in the sport and beginning to drive up the value of teams.

It’s predicted that will see a team’s value rise from hundreds of millions, into the billion-dollar range in coming seasons.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/11/16/mclaren-rejects-audi-sale-reports/
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on November 17, 2021, 11:38:54 AM
The 2022 grid is complete, with Zhou confirmed to drive alongside Bottas at Alfa Romeo. Pisatri will be reserve driver for Alpine.

McLaren-Mercedes
3. Daniel Ricciardo
4. Lando Norris

Aston Martin-Mercedes
5. Sebastian Vettel
18. Lance Stroll

Williams-Mercedes
6. Nicholas Latifi
23. Alex Albon

Haas-Ferrari
9. Nikita Mazepin
47. Mick Schumacher

AlphaTauri-Red Bull
10. Pierre Gasly
22. Yuki Tsunoda

Red Bull
11. Sergio Perez
33. Max Verstappen

Alpine-Renault
14. Fernando Alonso
31. Esteban Ocon

Ferrari
16. Charles Leclerc
55. Carlos Sainz

Mercedes
44. Lewis Hamilton
63. George Russell

Alfa Romeo-Ferrari
77. Valtteri Bottas
??. Guanyu Zhou
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: mikeamerica84 on November 17, 2021, 06:21:09 PM
How is his name pronounced, Kye?  Guanyu Zhou, or Zhou Guanyu?  I have seen it both ways in the media.

I haven't been watching F2 (no time) so I have no idea. 

I still think Ho Pin Tung was a cooler name. ;D
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on November 17, 2021, 08:20:11 PM
Risky move for Zhou. I certainly wouldn't want to be going up against a reinvigorated Bottas in an Alfa.

Likely to be down the back, and getting hosed by his team mate. Good luck to him!
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on November 17, 2021, 09:02:52 PM
How is his name pronounced, Kye?  Guanyu Zhou, or Zhou Guanyu?  I have seen it both ways in the media.

I haven't been watching F2 (no time) so I have no idea. 

I still think Ho Pin Tung was a cooler name. ;D
The Sky commentary team say Guanyu Zhou.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: mikeamerica84 on November 18, 2021, 02:13:20 AM
How is his name pronounced, Kye?  Guanyu Zhou, or Zhou Guanyu?  I have seen it both ways in the media.

I haven't been watching F2 (no time) so I have no idea. 

I still think Ho Pin Tung was a cooler name. ;D
The Sky commentary team say Guanyu Zhou.
I'll go with THAT then.   :)
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on January 13, 2022, 10:11:54 AM
What do we all think about this Hamilton not returning chat?

He'll be suited up come Bahrain IMO.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: madbugger on January 13, 2022, 01:47:49 PM
What do we all think about this Hamilton not returning chat?

He'll be suited up come Bahrain IMO.

I’m not a big fan of Hamilton, but I reckon he was screwed over with how the safety car stuff up panned out.

My guess is he won’t be back
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on January 14, 2022, 11:46:38 AM
Big call madbugger.

Rumour is that Masi will get the sack. At the very least he's lost some responsibility:
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/102899/will-mercedes-get-its-way-masi-replaced-as-president-single-seaters.html
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: madbugger on January 14, 2022, 02:06:08 PM
It’s a 50/50 call. Either he will or he won’t  ;D
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on January 19, 2022, 08:38:08 AM
Launch dates as follows:

February 4
February 9
February 10
February 11
February 14
February 15
February 17
February 18
February 22
February 27
Haas
Red Bull
Aston Martin
McLaren
Alpha Tauri
Williams
Ferrari
Mercedes
Alpine
Alfa Romeo
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Troy01505 on January 19, 2022, 10:49:46 AM
What do we all think about this Hamilton not returning chat?

He'll be suited up come Bahrain IMO.

I’m not a big fan of Hamilton, but I reckon he was screwed over with how the safety car stuff up panned out.

My guess is he won’t be back

He’ll be back! Lewis is a constant sook that requires constant attention. This crap is no different to a 2 year old throwing a tantrum to get their own way.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on January 20, 2022, 08:40:21 PM
Launch dates as follows:

February 10
February 11
February 17
February 18
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-
-
-
-
-
Aston Martin
McLaren
Ferrari
Mercedes
Alfa Romeo
Alpha Tauri
Alpine
Haas
Red Bull
Williams
Really keen for the car launches this year. I wonder if we'll see any innovations like in 2009.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stevo qld on January 20, 2022, 10:24:36 PM
I wonder about the car launches. It is rarely the car as it will be raced, and usually there will be Aero and livery changes.

One recent team launch was just the old car with new warpaint.

The big launch factor is the Drivers as there could be a few changes if the big baby spits the dummy instead of getting fireproof nappies. :D
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on February 04, 2022, 08:08:14 AM
Haas are doing a launch tonight. The image in their Facebook post says VF-22 car unveil but the caption says "You'll get your first look of our 2022 livery tomorrow!", so some people think it will be a VF-21 with 18-inch wheels or the F1 2022 prototype with the 2022 Haas livery on it.



Here we go, the first release of the new era. The wheelbase looks particularly long from the side view.
(https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/Y99AMEbY/s8/haas-vf-22-1.jpg)

(https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/2y3Mx8y6/s1000/haas-vf-22-1.webp)

(https://cdn-9.motorsport.com/images/mgl/0Rrngyo0/s8/haas-vf-22-1.jpg)
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on February 12, 2022, 09:11:54 AM
Red Bull, Aston Martin and McLaren launched this week. Red Bull used an updated version of the F1 demo car so expect big changes for testing.
(https://f1i.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/FLKoX0_XMAsXPdN-1-725x500.jpg)

(https://files.gpblog.com/news/2022/02/10/v2_large_4f8c2de8d7b96dec861be7172fc04f146fec1539.jpg)

(https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/63vAPEEY/s1000/daniel-ricciardo-mclaren-mcl36.jpg)

Next week we have AlphaTauri on the 14th, Williams on the 15th, Ferrari on the 17th and Mercedes on the 18th. The following week is Alpine on the 21st and Alfa Romeo on the 27th, though the Alfa will be at pre-season testing from the 23rd to the 25th.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on February 13, 2022, 11:00:00 PM
Can't go wrong with British Racing Green - great colour. Best livery yet.

The yellow on the nose of the Red Bull makes it look especially long.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: mikeamerica84 on February 14, 2022, 01:10:42 AM
I find it interesting that teams choose different tyre colors to match their liveries better for their releases.   :)
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: kennymiesta on February 15, 2022, 09:07:12 PM
I find it interesting that teams choose different tyre colors to match their liveries better for their releases.   :)
You know Mike, I hadn't even noticed until you pointed it out. Goes to show how little I was paying attention.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on February 15, 2022, 09:12:23 PM
AlphaTauri AT03
(https://d3cm515ijfiu6w.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/14110502/alphatauri-at03-planetf1-1200x630.jpg)

The sidepod design is interesting with the pronounced slope down all the way to the rear.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: mikeamerica84 on February 16, 2022, 03:48:27 AM
I remember reading years ago when Minardi was a team that they would purposely short fill their cars with fuel to start the race for they knew they would be x number of laps in arrears at the finish.  The less weight might improve their chances of stealing a point was the strategy, I guess.

With that line of thinking, is it too far of a stretch to think that cars that are back markers, like Haas, Williams, etc., might plan their liveries so that the rear end of the car is more presentable?  Think about it:  When you are watching on television, the in-car camera of the car performing the lapping will have the rear end of the back marker in full view for all to see. 

I just wonder if this factors in when sponsors "approve" the liveries.  I mean, who knows HOW F1 thinks. 

Or maybe I am just bored.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on February 16, 2022, 09:39:19 AM
I'm not sure, Mike. I feel that the rear would be made as presentable as possible in any case, as there are enough external rear shots on the exit of corners. I wouldn't have thought liveries would be designed with being lapped in mind; that seems like quite a defeatist attitude even for the backmarker teams. Especially this year with the new regulations.

Williams FW44
(https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/Williams/WilliamsF1_55815_HiRes.jpg.transform/9col/image.jpg)

The Alfa Romeo C42 has also been on track with the proper launch to take place on 27 February.
(https://www.grandprix247.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/alfa-romeo-C42-action.jpg)

It is encouraging to see some variation in the design of the wings, noses and sidepods so far.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on February 18, 2022, 08:36:46 AM
Here is the Ferrari. My favourite-looking of the 2022 cars so far. A real throwback to the Ferraris of the early 1990s livery-wise. Another interesting sidepod design with large channels running down the top.

(https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6AEAZGv6/s8/ferrari-f1-75-1.jpg)
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Jetpac013 on February 18, 2022, 08:55:00 AM
Here is the Ferrari. My favourite-looking of the 2022 cars so far. A real throwback to the Ferraris of the early 1990s livery-wise. Another interesting sidepod design with large channels running down the top.

(https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6AEAZGv6/s8/ferrari-f1-75-1.jpg)

This reminds me of the 1990 car, even in its overall shape as well as the livery.

Also liking the AlphaTauri livery also, keen to see if Mercedes go back to the silver from black. 
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: LG on February 18, 2022, 09:06:18 AM
Masi has been demoted.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/motorsport/f1-2022-michael-masi-exits-as-f1s-race-director-after-abu-dhabi-controversy/dc1ebde2-efa3-4b60-a998-550611becd2e
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stevo qld on February 18, 2022, 12:20:38 PM
Masi has been demoted.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/motorsport/f1-2022-michael-masi-exits-as-f1s-race-director-after-abu-dhabi-controversy/dc1ebde2-efa3-4b60-a998-550611becd2e

Or promoted.  ;D
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Jetpac013 on February 18, 2022, 08:34:25 PM
Back in silver  8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0NnRJL1C/FL3h-T5-XXo-AQlhx-W.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RVBRjqHN/274112169-10159024661872411-4970702790981759641-n.jpg)

Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stp01 on February 19, 2022, 01:04:44 PM
The Ferrari and Merc look pretty good. I have to say the cars are looking better than I expected, wasn't a fan of the F1 show car.

Some good analyses here if you're into the aero side, he worked a couple of years recently at Merc F1 - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh3tzzP6n5b1EWcMUpiEhXg
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on February 19, 2022, 01:34:55 PM
The Merc and Ferrari are a step above the rest.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: kennymiesta on February 20, 2022, 11:36:46 AM
Not a fan of the Merc team, but damn, that is one fine looking livery....
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on February 26, 2022, 04:32:28 PM
F1 will not race in Sochi and Haas has pulled their Uralkali sponsorship. It leaves Mazepin in question too.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on March 01, 2022, 02:50:49 PM
The Alfa Romeo livery; there's just a hint of the old Marlboro design. I love what they have done with the wheel covers.
(https://cdn-4.motorsport.com/images/mgl/YW7JxXkY/s8/alfa-romeo-c42-1.jpg)
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Troy01505 on March 05, 2022, 10:38:45 PM
HAAS tear up the Russian and his Daddy’s contract

Wonder who will partner little Mick Jnr this year?

https://wwos.nine.com.au/motorsport/russia-ukraine-news-formula-1-haas-nikita-mazepin-contract-uralkali/b8b6e190-8bbb-460e-9f80-d0e11dc13101
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on March 06, 2022, 10:32:37 PM
HAAS tear up the Russian and his Daddy’s contract

Wonder who will partner little Mick Jnr this year?

https://wwos.nine.com.au/motorsport/russia-ukraine-news-formula-1-haas-nikita-mazepin-contract-uralkali/b8b6e190-8bbb-460e-9f80-d0e11dc13101

Pietro Fittipaldi is the rumour.

If I were Alpine I'd be on the blower trying to get Piastri the seat.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stp01 on March 10, 2022, 08:34:03 AM
K-Mag back at HAAS

https://www.planetf1.com/news/kevin-magnussen-returns-haas/
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Troy01505 on March 11, 2022, 10:20:15 AM
Ferrari upset with the Mercs and their mirrors.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/motorsport/f1-2022-mercedes-no-sidepods-ross-brawn-reaction-pre-season-testing-bahrain/f62f5b6b-3867-4b32-b411-5e781e9da1ac

I think the new look merc looks bloody fantastic
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on March 11, 2022, 08:18:40 PM
I certainly like that there's something different.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: V8SuperRiley on March 18, 2022, 09:14:02 AM
I'm pretty keen to see them in anger on Saturday for qualifying.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on March 18, 2022, 09:55:33 AM
I'm pretty keen to see them in anger on Saturday for qualifying.

Aren't we all!
Who knows the new world order given the rules shift. Ferrari and McLaren giving us hope, but I still think Merc and Red Bull are the top of the pile.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: mikeamerica84 on March 18, 2022, 09:59:57 AM
Nico in for Seb this weekend.  I just might cheer for the Astons for once!   ;D

https://racer.com/2022/03/17/vettel-out-of-bahrain-gp-with-covid-hulkenberg-in/

In all seriousness, I hope Seb comes out okay with this setback.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on March 21, 2022, 09:02:25 AM
Ferrari 1-2!

Looking like a Red Bull/Ferrari battle. I'd suggest with Merc's budget they'll be back in the mix by mid-season, but likely too far adrift in the Championship by that stage.
McLaren and Aston Martin nowhere :-[.

Stars of the show for me were KMag and Zhou. Zhou specifically was clean, making moves and finished in the points. Dream debut.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on March 21, 2022, 02:34:55 PM
Fantastic battle for the lead after the first stops. I thought on the third attempt that Max might have waited until Turn 4 to make the move; the seemed to be the most decisive place to do it. I guess it didn't matter in the end with the fuel pump issue.

Great to see Haas get a result. Mick was a bit unlucky; he probably would have scored his first points if not for the spin on lap one.

Expecting to see Sainz get his first win this year, that will be great to see.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: mikeamerica84 on March 21, 2022, 03:09:12 PM
Saudi street course in one week.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stp01 on March 22, 2022, 01:23:32 PM
Some good battles for the lead for sure, was good to watch!

As a McLaren fan though, it could be a long year. And amazing to see so many Merc powered cars off the pace.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Alan59 on March 22, 2022, 01:31:50 PM
Great to see Ferrari is the real deal this year.
For a new formula dominated by changes to aero it is noticeable that power units were the big story.
-3 of the 4 Red Bull/Honda cars suffered failures.All to do with the fuel pump apparently which is an FIA supplied component.That suggests it is a layout or installation problem which won’t be the work of a moment to fix.
-The 6 Mercedes customer cars were the last 6 cars at the finish and had no pace at any stage of the weekend.Coincidence?Maybe the move to E10 fuel hasn’t been properly understood.
Oh yes and great to see KMag score a deserved 5th.Good guys don’t always finish last.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: V8SuperRiley on March 22, 2022, 05:30:12 PM
=
-3 of the 4 Red Bull/Honda cars suffered failures.All to do with the fuel pump apparently which is an FIA supplied component.That suggests it is a layout or installation problem which won’t be the work of a moment to fix.
=

I was reading somewhere today that is looks like the standard components have been cleared of failure, so it's either a part that RBR make, or the way they have installed the parts as you suggest. I'll try find the link.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on March 27, 2022, 01:19:59 PM
I've got to say these 4am sessions are wearing me down. Welcoming our home soil timeslot in a fortnight.

Well done Sergio! Maybe with the new cars it's closed the gap between drivers at Red Bull.
Certainly looking like a Ferrari v Red Bull season, Merc fighting for 3rd.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: V8SuperRiley on March 28, 2022, 01:28:35 PM
I'm loving how close the racing has been so far. They definitely look like they can follow closer.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Sonic on March 28, 2022, 06:03:44 PM
and loving that 'the goat' ain't a goat unless he has the best car....  highlights exactly what I have said in the past... without the right car he's just another backmarker.

(ok that's prob a bit harsh calling him a backmarker but he is nowhere near the front because he doesn't have equal machinery... which is where all the other drivers have been over the past 10 years)
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on March 29, 2022, 11:09:07 AM
Another excellent race. A shame for Ricciardo as he could have gotten some decent points out of that race.

The battle between the Alpines was great!
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: V8SuperRiley on April 05, 2022, 08:10:34 AM
and loving that 'the goat' ain't a goat unless he has the best car....  highlights exactly what I have said in the past... without the right car he's just another backmarker.

(ok that's prob a bit harsh calling him a backmarker but he is nowhere near the front because he doesn't have equal machinery... which is where all the other drivers have been over the past 10 years)

Pretty much all you've said there, is that Lewis is not winning purely because he doesn't have an equal car. And if he had an equal car, he would be winning.. Which I agree with, he would be winning in an equal car.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Sonic on April 05, 2022, 08:39:32 AM
and loving that 'the goat' ain't a goat unless he has the best car....  highlights exactly what I have said in the past... without the right car he's just another backmarker.

(ok that's prob a bit harsh calling him a backmarker but he is nowhere near the front because he doesn't have equal machinery... which is where all the other drivers have been over the past 10 years)

Pretty much all you've said there, is that Lewis is not winning purely because he doesn't have an equal car. And if he had an equal car, he would be winning.. Which I agree with, he would be winning in an equal car.

no, not what I said at all LOL

I said that in the past he has won because he had a car that was superior to the rest on the grid.

If you look at his past (outside of F1) and compare him to who he was racing against it seems that he was regularly beaten but those guys got 'lesser machines' in the top level so even though LH wasn't the best driver he got the results.

It's an argument, an opinion. We all have them. We are all right and wrong at some point along the way.

And no, I do not believe that LH would be winning today if he was in an equal car, only if he was in a superior car.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Alan59 on April 05, 2022, 02:24:35 PM
Without a doubt the Mercedes of the hybrid turbo era -2014 to 2021- was the GOAT of F1 cars.There has never been such a sustained era of dominance.
While Lewis has driven superbly with that car his claim to be the GOAT is undermined by some things before that era.Like in the 3 years he was paired with Jenson Button he was outscored in total by his team mate.
How he goes this year in a car that is clearly not the fastest will be very interesting.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stp01 on April 05, 2022, 08:14:57 PM
Before the hybrid turbo era he was only beaten by his teammate once in 7 seasons. And that included two world champions. I reckon he'd be pretty happy with that.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Alan59 on April 05, 2022, 09:30:36 PM
Before the hybrid turbo era he was only beaten by his teammate once in 7 seasons. And that included two world champions. I reckon he'd be pretty happy with that.
I agree he is in the conversation with Schumacher,Senna,Prost,Clark,Stewart and Fangio as a contender for the GOAT.
It’s just that his stats are inflated by driving the dominant car 7 years in a row-2014 to 2020 in an era when there was a lot of races.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Sonic on April 05, 2022, 09:38:03 PM
Before the hybrid turbo era he was only beaten by his teammate once in 7 seasons. And that included two world champions. I reckon he'd be pretty happy with that.

indeed. he beat one other person with (?) the same machinery (?) who was paid to come 2nd to him... would be so demoralizing to any race driver to say "any time we tell you you must lose position"... and I'm not talking like in the last race or two when it will help the team out, but the entirety of your career there.

so apart from his teammate, what car had the potential to consistently run with the Merc? none really until Max upped the game last year?

so if all you need to do to become the goat is beat one other person I reckon all of us could claim that title!
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on April 07, 2022, 11:59:36 AM
I think the four DRS zones will make overtaking too easy this weekend. Not having an extra detection point in the middle of each pair of zones means the defending driver won't really get a chance to fight back.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stp01 on April 07, 2022, 12:37:17 PM
Before the hybrid turbo era he was only beaten by his teammate once in 7 seasons. And that included two world champions. I reckon he'd be pretty happy with that.

indeed. he beat one other person with (?) the same machinery (?) who was paid to come 2nd to him... would be so demoralizing to any race driver to say "any time we tell you you must lose position"... and I'm not talking like in the last race or two when it will help the team out, but the entirety of your career there.

so apart from his teammate, what car had the potential to consistently run with the Merc? none really until Max upped the game last year?

so if all you need to do to become the goat is beat one other person I reckon all of us could claim that title!
You think Alonso or Button were paid to let Hamilton beat them?  :o
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stp01 on April 07, 2022, 12:39:15 PM
I think the four DRS zones will make overtaking too easy this weekend. Not having an extra detection point in the middle of each pair of zones means the defending driver won't really get a chance to fight back.
Could be a Red Bull benefit if they have the speed advantage they had in Jeddah. Keen to see what the layout changes bring though.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Sonic on April 09, 2022, 01:17:26 PM
glad I'm not at Melb GP paying to see the F1 cars.... 15 minutes in to P3 and only 3 drivers have laps completed and other drivers not even bothering.

Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on April 09, 2022, 01:36:06 PM
Seb choosing to hop on the back of a scooter the second time around ;D.
The fine he got was a bit overkill, it's moments like this that shows F1's character - Seb getting cheered on a scooter, Webber getting a lift back on the sidepod of Alonso's car etc.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stp01 on April 09, 2022, 07:12:15 PM
Good to see McLaren and Alpine showing some good pace this weekend!  Not Ferrari/Red Bull pace, but still pretty good. Mercedes still have work to do.

Latifi and Stroll....hopeless!
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Sonic on April 10, 2022, 07:00:23 PM
Glad to see that George didn't have a last lap 'issue' and drop to 4th.

Well I have now seen the new F1 and my single word description? Uninspiring.

Did absolutely nothing for me.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: meha on April 11, 2022, 04:21:00 PM
I will be honest it is the first race that I have watched in full since the new regulations came into effect and I agree with you Sonic, to me they did nothing to promote what the FIA was attempting to achieve. The tire compounds having the split to create better racing did absolutely nothing. If I am honest I even nearly fell asleep part way through.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Sonic on April 11, 2022, 08:58:41 PM
I will be honest it is the first race that I have watched in full since the new regulations came into effect and I agree with you Sonic, to me they did nothing to promote what the FIA was attempting to achieve. The tire compounds having the split to create better racing did absolutely nothing. If I am honest I even nearly fell asleep part way through.

I was at the track and left half way through...
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on April 11, 2022, 10:24:58 PM
To be fair, Albert Park rarely puts up a great race.
Lewis grabbing Perez early put an end to any Red Bull tactics to try and jump Leclerc. From there it was all about tyre degradation, of which the Ferrari looked better.

Lygon St looked quite busy afterwards ;D ;D.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on April 14, 2022, 10:50:01 AM
I will be honest it is the first race that I have watched in full since the new regulations came into effect and I agree with you Sonic, to me they did nothing to promote what the FIA was attempting to achieve. The tire compounds having the split to create better racing did absolutely nothing. If I am honest I even nearly fell asleep part way through.
Bahrain and Saudi Arabia were excellent. Melbourne was a procession but hopefully it will be an anomaly for the season.

It was great to see Albon and Williams hold on to the point at the end. I had been watching the gaps for the last ten laps and thought they would come up just short.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: mikeamerica84 on April 15, 2022, 08:40:47 PM
I liked the AGP.  I always tell people/motorsport fans that you have to look at F1 as a "whole".  By that, I mean the whole overall campaign.

A lot of the races can be processions, but at the AGP, my takeaways are:  Verstappan and Red Bull went down hard.  Vettel crashed out in his first race.  The McLarens finally look like they might have some consistency.  George Russell made the podium.

Sure, Ferrari and Charles are on a roll, but how are they going to do at Imola?  Can they keep it up?  Carlos is on the other end of that spectrum.  Imola is not exactly a passer's paradise.  Who might get their car(s) sorted out for better performance/handling?

In short, I like watching who are the comers, who are the goers, who is consistent, and who is erratic.  A great series these days.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stp01 on May 07, 2022, 04:17:02 PM
Welcome to Miami!  Complete with real yachts and fake water.

Mercedes seemed to have picked up the pace, seemingly due to the lower downforce setup for the track. FP2 not a happy session for Sainz or Verstappen. Looks like a tricky track in places.




Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on May 07, 2022, 06:51:34 PM
Sainz must we working that Ferrari a little too hard. I think he's put it in the wall at the last 3 circuits.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stevo qld on May 18, 2022, 05:08:17 PM
Could this be Vettel's last F1 season?

Quote
Vettel recently appeared on the BBC's Question Time where the Aston Martin driver said his mind is often wrestling with Formula 1's contribution to climate change.

A strong activist for environmental and social justice issues, Vettel admitted there was hypocrisy to his climate campaigning, which troubles him.

"It does [make me a hypocrite]," he said, to laughs from the Question Time audience.

"You're right when you laugh because these are questions I ask myself every day.

"When I get out of the car of course I'm thinking as well, 'Is this something that you should do — travel the world, wasting resources?'"

Out of contract at the end of 2022, this is the closest Vettel has ever come to admitting he is questioning his future in F1.


https://wwos.nine.com.au/motorsport/formula-1-sebastian-vettel-aston-martin-contract-retirement-opportunity-for-oscar-piastri/72dc1d52-778e-4c09-9f2c-05278fc91347
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: mikeamerica84 on May 19, 2022, 09:06:30 PM
Maybe Lance Stroll can break from this Aston Multi 21 formation and retire before him?
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: V8SuperRiley on May 23, 2022, 09:03:10 AM
It's getting very hard to watch being a DR fan..
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: meha on May 23, 2022, 09:52:09 AM
You do have to wonder if DR will keep his seat beyond his current contract at the rate he is preforming at the moment. 
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: V8SuperRiley on May 23, 2022, 11:36:27 AM
You do have to wonder if DR will keep his seat beyond his current contract at the rate he is preforming at the moment.

It's certainly hard to see it happening, and there's not too many seats at other teams available.. At a few of the races this year, there's been a reason (no an excuse, but at least a reason). There was nothing last night, other than he was slow.

I try and defend him and can understand the results most of the time, but not last night.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on May 23, 2022, 12:21:28 PM
Impressive drive by Lewis to get back to within twelve seconds of Russell before having to slow down at the end.

Got to feel sorry for Leclerc. In terms of the championship, though, it evens out some of the reliabilty issues Red Bull have had so far.

I see a lot of people complaining about Red Bull team orders and Perez being robbed of a win but even if they were allowed to race Verstappen still would have won. He was closing at a second a lap and pulled over ten seconds after the pass. I don't think Perez would have held him off for fifteen laps.

The Alpines looked really good in the race. Another good race for Tsunoda as well.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: V8SuperRiley on May 23, 2022, 12:36:45 PM


I see a lot of people complaining about Red Bull team orders and Perez being robbed of a win but even if they were allowed to race Verstappen still would have won. He was closing at a second a lap and pulled over ten seconds after the pass. I don't think Perez would have held him off for fifteen laps.

I think the issue a lot of people, and Perez have with the situation, is that he was told one thing, and then they decided to do something completely different. He may have driven his race differently if he knew what the decision would be from the start.

I would have preferred they give him a chance at least.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on May 23, 2022, 01:44:22 PM


I see a lot of people complaining about Red Bull team orders and Perez being robbed of a win but even if they were allowed to race Verstappen still would have won. He was closing at a second a lap and pulled over ten seconds after the pass. I don't think Perez would have held him off for fifteen laps.

I think the issue a lot of people, and Perez have with the situation, is that he was told one thing, and then they decided to do something completely different. He may have driven his race differently if he knew what the decision would be from the start.

I would have preferred they give him a chance at least.

Agreed. Even after Max put it in the kitty, Perez allowed the pass far too easily, and from there Max got the preferred strategy.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Alan59 on May 23, 2022, 04:30:34 PM
If Max and Sergio were in different teams Max would have won.He had much younger tyres and caught up to Sergio at multiple seconds a lap.The only way Sergio could have won was if Max got team orders to stay behind and obeyed.
What they did 20-40 laps before was irrelevant because at that stage they were racing George and not each other.Tyre life and car speed are a very delicate balance in F1.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: madbugger on May 25, 2022, 07:38:14 AM
Bit of chatter about the upgrades to McLaren and how they are happy with them. I'm thinking about the only upgrade that will help the second car would be to replace the nut behind the steering wheel.

Not sure what is going on with DR, but he is struggling big time. You don't usually lose talent overnight, but he really is having trouble coming to grips with this car.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but one wonders if picking up the scraps behind Max at Red Bull, with the chance for a win when he stumbled, would have been better than his last few years at Renault and McLaren. It's hard to see him adding to his wins tally the way he is going at the moment. And having Pato in the wings itching for a shot at F1, the pressure to perform is getting greater as each race failure passes.

My guess, DR won't be at McLaren next year, he may pick up a seat at one of the lesser teams, but just as possible he won't be on the grid at all.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: V8SuperRiley on May 25, 2022, 08:24:52 AM
Bit of chatter about the upgrades to McLaren and how they are happy with them. I'm thinking about the only upgrade that will help the second car would be to replace the nut behind the steering wheel.

Not sure what is going on with DR, but he is struggling big time. You don't usually lose talent overnight, but he really is having trouble coming to grips with this car.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but one wonders if picking up the scraps behind Max at Red Bull, with the chance for a win when he stumbled, would have been better than his last few years at Renault and McLaren. It's hard to see him adding to his wins tally the way he is going at the moment. And having Pato in the wings itching for a shot at F1, the pressure to perform is getting greater as each race failure passes.

My guess, DR won't be at McLaren next year, he may pick up a seat at one of the lesser teams, but just as possible he won't be on the grid at all.

Pato isn't the threat to his seat, it's Colton Herta that will take the spot I reckon.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Dan hang up the helmet, especially after the last couple of years. I'd love for him to continue on, but where else are there seats opening up?
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Alan59 on May 25, 2022, 03:29:21 PM
Regarding the Ricciardo situation a few weeks ago I was watching the Monaco episode of season 1 of Drive To Survive.In it Ricciardo was beaming positivity even before the race.Convinced he was as good as any driver on the grid.Of course he won.
In the second half of that year Verstappen monstered him and probably crushed that confidence.2 years at Renault with less than top level team mates and not really dicing with the top guys and then he goes to McLaren where Norris monsters him.
Any interview with Ricciardo in the past year seems to be with someone full of self doubt.You can’t be like that in F1.
He has had 12 years in F1 which is a long career and is at an age where everyone except the very very few start to go downhill fairly rapidly.It is time to pull the pin.
He had a great career and from 2014 to 2017 was one of the best 3 drivers in F1.2017 was a long time ago and it isn’t coming back.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: V8SuperRiley on May 25, 2022, 04:12:07 PM
The positive sign as an Aussie, is we have probably the most exciting up and coming driver in Oscar Piastri sitting there.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: mikeamerica84 on May 26, 2022, 09:35:56 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Dan hang up the helmet, especially after the last couple of years. I'd love for him to continue on, but where else are there seats opening up?
With our TV coverage here, I think it was Martin Brundle hinting heavily that Latifi might not make it the whole year at Williams.  That would not be a seat for Danny Ric, but the dominoes might start toppling before season's end.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Alan59 on May 27, 2022, 07:12:18 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Dan hang up the helmet, especially after the last couple of years. I'd love for him to continue on, but where else are there seats opening up?
With our TV coverage here, I think it was Martin Brundle hinting heavily that Latifi might not make it the whole year at Williams.  That would not be a seat for Danny Ric, but the dominoes might start toppling before season's end.
If Williams replace Latifi it will be for someone on the way up not for someone on the way down.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: V8SuperRiley on May 30, 2022, 09:02:19 AM
Another weekend to forget for Dan...

It wasn't all his fault, but still forgettable.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on May 31, 2022, 06:11:04 PM
Awesome weekend from Perez, I would say his best at Red Bull so far. He had Verstappen covered all weekend and was there to take the win when Ferrari faltered on strategy.

Sainz was a bit unlucky getting held up by a lapped car on his out-lap. He looked like he got some rhythm back this weekend, though, hopefully his first win is coming up soon.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on May 31, 2022, 08:15:02 PM
Sainz interview made it all make sense.
I was massively confused when Perez came out in front, the commentators missed the reason.

Ferrari need to up their strategy though, constantly outplayed, going back a few years now too.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: V8SuperRiley on June 13, 2022, 08:43:57 AM
Another good showing by Red Bull, and the wheels fell off for Ferrari, again..

Dan looked a lot more comfortable. I can't help but feel that he may have been a little higher if he was released from behind Lando in the first stint.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Sonic on June 13, 2022, 08:54:09 AM
Another good showing by Red Bull, and the wheels fell off for Ferrari, again..

Dan looked a lot more comfortable. I can't help but feel that he may have been a little higher if he was released from behind Lando in the first stint.

Agreed. Why the team didn't tell Norris to let him by with him being on a different strategy is craziness.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on June 13, 2022, 10:46:32 AM
I feel for Tsunoda and Zhou, they were both having good races before their respective issues. It was a strong weekend for Vettel; if he had successfully cleared Ocon the first time I wonder if he could have stayed ahead of Lewis.

After the first few races it looked like the Red Bull was the fast fragile car but hasn't that turned around! In the last four races there have been eight mechanical DNFs for Ferrari-powered cars, three of those being the Scuderia itself.

Russell has beaten Hamilton in seven consecutive races now. The only other time a team-mate has done that to Lewis was when Rosberg won seven races in a row across 2015 and 2016. I really hope Mercedes can sort out the porpoising issue; it was painful just watching Hamilton get out of the car after the race.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Sonic on June 13, 2022, 03:27:23 PM
I feel for Tsunoda and Zhou, they were both having good races before their respective issues. It was a strong weekend for Vettel; if he had successfully cleared Ocon the first time I wonder if he could have stayed ahead of Lewis.

After the first few races it looked like the Red Bull was the fast fragile car but hasn't that turned around! In the last four races there have been eight mechanical DNFs for Ferrari-powered cars, three of those being the Scuderia itself.

Russell has beaten Hamilton in seven consecutive races now. The only other time a team-mate has done that to Lewis was when Rosberg won seven races in a row across 2015 and 2016. I really hope Mercedes can sort out the porpoising issue; it was painful just watching Hamilton get out of the car after the race.

on the 'funny side' it is amusing how folk get upset when you use their arguments for calling LH the 'goat' against him LOL

agreed that the Ferrari issues have been disappointing... feel for Sainz some.. he has created his own issues but when he does have it together the car lets him down.. that's gotta be hard to swallow.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stevo qld on June 13, 2022, 04:53:45 PM
The way HAAS is going, I would not be surprised if the team is sold to Michael Andretti ( or part sold) at the end of this year, with a view to running Alpine engines instead of the Ferrari hand grenades, with one American and one Australian drivers.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on June 20, 2022, 12:09:53 PM
The way HAAS is going, I would not be surprised if the team is sold to Michael Andretti ( or part sold) at the end of this year, with a view to running Alpine engines instead of the Ferrari hand grenades, with one American and one Australian drivers.

Shame they couldn't convert those fantastic qualifying positions to results at the Canadian GP.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Sonic on June 20, 2022, 01:22:11 PM
The way HAAS is going, I would not be surprised if the team is sold to Michael Andretti ( or part sold) at the end of this year, with a view to running Alpine engines instead of the Ferrari hand grenades, with one American and one Australian drivers.

Shame they couldn't convert those fantastic qualifying positions to results at the Canadian GP.

I almost fell off my chair when I saw how high the HAAS cars qually'd... haven't seen anything of the race though.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on June 20, 2022, 02:37:17 PM
The way HAAS is going, I would not be surprised if the team is sold to Michael Andretti ( or part sold) at the end of this year, with a view to running Alpine engines instead of the Ferrari hand grenades, with one American and one Australian drivers.

Shame they couldn't convert those fantastic qualifying positions to results at the Canadian GP.
Bit unlucky with how things unfolded for them. I wonder when Mick is destined to finally score points.

It was another good weekend for Zhou, at least he got a result out of it this time.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: V8SuperRiley on June 20, 2022, 03:07:16 PM
Another good weekend by Max. Carlos just couldn't get the run out of the hairpin to be close enough down the straight.

Charles did well to come through to 5th as well.

The McLaren looked dreadful again, slow as anything down the straights.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: V8SuperRiley on July 04, 2022, 08:01:55 AM
That race was phenomenal!!

I'm so thankful for the introduction of the halo, it's saved so many people from extremely bad situations already.

But it had a bit of everything in that race. The Mercedes looked quick too, which is hopefully a sign of things to come.

Dan must be the unluckiest person in F1 at the moment. He can't catch a break still. He wasn't the quickest, but had put himself in a good spot, but the car and strategy/stops failed him again.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Sonic on July 04, 2022, 08:46:41 AM
cool to have a new winner...

the first lap roll was a doozy and a reminder for me as a motorsport photographer how dangerous my job can be, we were fortunate to not have a dead shooter out of that roll (as well as great car building protecting the driver)...

the last 10 laps after the restart were fantastic and what F1 has been missing for so long... 6 cars fighting for the final 2 steps on the podium! we need this more often!!
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: V8SuperRiley on July 04, 2022, 09:36:53 AM
cool to have a new winner...

the first lap roll was a doozy and a reminder for me as a motorsport photographer how dangerous my job can be, we were fortunate to not have a dead shooter out of that roll (as well as great car building protecting the driver)...

the last 10 laps after the restart were fantastic and what F1 has been missing for so long... 6 cars fighting for the final 2 steps on the podium! we need this more often!!

For me, it proves that the new cars to allow much closer racing, it was fantastic.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on July 04, 2022, 10:13:43 AM
Stoked for Carlos! Been looking forward to seeing him get a win all season. It's great that he turned his form around after struggling for a few races.

Awesome drive from Hamilton, it would have been very interesting to see if he could have passed both Ferraris if not for the safety car.

Glad to see everyone walk away from that first lap crash. Albon's hit into the pit wall didn't seem to be focused on as much as Zhou's roll but it was a very heavy hit.

On the subject of incidents and safety, did anyone see the F2? Another frightening crash with Hauger launched off a sausage kerb into the halo of Nissany. Sausage kerbs need to go, there's been too many incidents like this caused by them.

I think we as spectators were lucky that Verstappen picked up the debris; I feel like he would have walked away with the race.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: skaifeman on July 04, 2022, 11:30:31 AM
Fantastic dicing! Happy they just let them race, there was some feisty racing room left on exits, but that's F1.
Ky is right, if Max doesn't have his dramas then, going by Checo's pace, he would've done it easily.

Mid-race I thought Ferrari "out-Ferrari'd" themselves again. How about Leclerc and Binotto's words post-race?
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: Kytabu on July 04, 2022, 11:58:14 AM
Forgot to mention Mick; awesome to get his first points from 19th on the grid! Granted a lot of cars dropped out but he raced really well. It was good to see him having a crack at Verstappen instead of just settling for eighth.
Title: Re: F1 2022 season
Post by: stevo qld on July 04, 2022, 01:48:42 PM
Ricciardo seems to have lost his enthusiasm since moving from winning teams.