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Title: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Trevor on October 27, 2021, 08:19:11 AM
Well, it has fallen like a bomb  :D :D :D

No one should be surprised - this Government is all spin and no content - 2 of their proposals haven't even finished development yet

Angus Taylor was arse-raped by Michael Rowland on ABC Breakfast this morning - when challenged on the content of their plan all Taylor could do was to bag Labors Carbon tax - Taylor looked like a fool

SloMo was interviewed by that idiot Koch on Sunrise, I just caught a few seconds of it as I was changing channels and it was an embarrassment as well - SloMo was in full 'Scotty from Marketing' mode
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Sonic on October 27, 2021, 08:41:34 AM
All gov's are a joke sadly with zero grounding in reality. Tis a curse to be a thinking man Trev. (See you up on the hill! [:D] )
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Troy01505 on October 27, 2021, 08:53:17 AM
Greens have an unrealistic target and Libs target is ridiculous, labour not much better then these 2 **** heads!

Need to out the dinosaurs and dimwitted and get some young blood that works for the people not the donations/corruption.
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: stevo qld on October 27, 2021, 09:54:08 AM
ALL States and Territories in Australia have already committed to the net zero 2050 target some time ago.

So that makes the Federal Government only responsible for the rest, of which there remains only overseas Embassies.


There is a certain irony that some groups make comparisons between Australia and other countries on emissions, yet most, if not all have Nuclear Power or draw power from a multi country grid that includes countries with Nuclear Power. Yet, at the same time, being anti-nuclear.
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Trevor on October 27, 2021, 10:28:29 AM
Nuclear power is on their agenda

I remember Hawkey talking about it years ago
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: CP on October 27, 2021, 02:21:56 PM
While they heavily subsidise fossil fuel industries, you really can't their goals seriously.
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Sonic on October 27, 2021, 02:49:30 PM
all rather amusing really when 'net zero emissions' only means that someone else will be doing it instead of us LOL

setting a realistic target of actual reductions in Australian emissions would be a better thing to push I reckon (even though they will likely still screw that up)
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: stevo qld on October 27, 2021, 04:24:11 PM
My contribution to ZERO 2050 is to have my cremation done long before so that the smoke polution will not be counted. ;D
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: LG on October 27, 2021, 06:03:25 PM
I've gone green!
I built an electric yard vehicle to use instead of using my ute or mowers around the place. ;D ;D
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Ospif1 on October 27, 2021, 08:06:08 PM
It's all pandering at this point.  Two of the largest contributors won't even have their leaders at the climate discussions and those nations have no real desires to change how they do things.  We're simply going to have to develop technologies which will suit the changing conditions and 3rd world nations are going to suffer massively.  Sadly food and water shortages will possibly lead to wars as well.
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: AlbertM on October 28, 2021, 01:03:30 AM
all rather amusing really when 'net zero emissions' only means that someone else will be doing it instead of us LOL

setting a realistic target of actual reductions in Australian emissions would be a better thing to push I reckon (even though they will likely still screw that up)

Net zero means off setting emissions, not shifting emissions. The expected result is to reduce emission.
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Trevor on October 28, 2021, 03:43:02 AM
I have a feeling we (the world) are fighting a losing battle

Not just Russia and China, but India, America, Africa - what are they REALLY doing?  Lip service me thinks
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Sonic on October 28, 2021, 08:35:06 AM
I've gone green!
I built an electric yard vehicle to use instead of using my ute or mowers around the place. ;D ;D


well that didn't work LOL... been too long since I added an image (https://www.electricscooters.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Scooters-and-the-Elderly-1-1-768x960.jpg)
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Trevor on October 28, 2021, 10:15:54 AM
I hope the size is within spec, the Moderators here are ****ing murder  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Sonic on October 28, 2021, 01:22:13 PM
I hope the size is within spec, the Moderators here are ****ing murder  ;D ;D ;D

Yeah they can be bastards!! Actually I don't know if the sizing rule came across to the new website? If not I'll take the ping, it's worth it [:P]
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Trevor on October 28, 2021, 03:54:00 PM
Listen Phil, I can give a 'smite' right now if you want?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Bloopy on October 29, 2021, 10:42:38 AM
I don't think the sizing rule is needed any more given oversized images don't stretch any words off the side of the screen now. If you want everyone to see an image and you post a stupidly huge one, you're mostly just depriving yourself of what you want. Eg. if it's 3000 pixels wide then people on mobile will only be able to see about 20% of it at once.

Plus, people watch videos on their phones these days and can probably handle the data usage. We haven't even gone off topic because internet usage contributes to climate change... ;D
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Ospif1 on October 30, 2021, 11:28:41 AM
Can't say I'm surprised that the government isn't actually taking this seriously or willing to put in genuine effort, but still sad.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/30/australias-2050-net-zero-emissions-plan-relies-on-gross-manipulation-of-data-experts-say

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The Morrison government’s 2050 net zero emissions plan relies on a “gross manipulation” of data that suggests trees and soil can absorb far more carbon dioxide than is actually possible, according to experts in the field.

The government’s long term emissions reduction strategy, released ahead of a major climate summit in Glasgow starting on Sunday, was criticised for not including new policies and relying on new technology to make deep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions in the 2030s and 2040s.

It assumed 10-20% of the emissions cut needed by 2050 would come from paying for international and domestic offsets, including planting trees and other vegetation on marginal agricultural land and techniques to improve the health of soil. This would allow some fossil fuel industries to operate beyond 2050 by effectively cancelling out their emissions by drawing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

Future generations really are in for a hell of a ride.
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Trevor on October 31, 2021, 06:44:51 AM
Nothing surprises me from the Masters of Spin

All smoke and mirrors
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: mikeamerica84 on October 31, 2021, 10:21:31 AM
I have a feeling we (the world) are fighting a losing battle

Not just Russia and China, but India, America, Africa - what are they REALLY doing?  Lip service me thinks
+1
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Bloopy on November 07, 2021, 12:15:25 PM
Man announces he will quit drinking by 2050 (https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/10/26/man-announces-he-will-quit-drinking-by-2050/)
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A Sydney man has set an ambitious target to phase out his alcohol consumption within the next 29 years, as part of an impressive plan to improve his health. 

The program will see Greg Taylor, 73, continue to drink as normal for the foreseeable future, before reducing consumption in 2049 when he turns 101. He has assured friends it will not affect his drinking plans in the short or medium term.

 8)
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Trevor on November 07, 2021, 05:43:54 PM
 ;D😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: coyote302 on November 27, 2021, 10:01:02 PM
Nothing surprises me from the Masters of Spin

All smoke and mirrors

Smoke and mirrors like this? How many "climate Alarmists" claims have been proved wrong?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/flannery-denies-what-he-actually-said/news-story/8f9ac2ed71c5b01470299510ce0de7f2 (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/flannery-denies-what-he-actually-said/news-story/8f9ac2ed71c5b01470299510ce0de7f2)
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: AlbertM on November 28, 2021, 11:16:32 AM
I would have used some one else other than Andrew Bolt. The conservative right have run out of fingers and toes to count how many times he got it wrong. ;)
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Ospif1 on November 28, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
Nothing surprises me from the Masters of Spin

All smoke and mirrors

Smoke and mirrors like this? How many "climate Alarmists" claims have been proved wrong?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/flannery-denies-what-he-actually-said/news-story/8f9ac2ed71c5b01470299510ce0de7f2 (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/flannery-denies-what-he-actually-said/news-story/8f9ac2ed71c5b01470299510ce0de7f2)
It depends if you base your opinion of climate change on politicians or the scientists who are the experts in the field, I guess.
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: stevo qld on November 28, 2021, 02:32:52 PM
One problem, as I see it, is the number of "scientists" with different scientific qualifications, such as Flannery has self admitted.

It would be difficult for anyone scientist or politician to prophecy what will happen in 2050.

There will be so many different "expert" and "political" theories that there is a random chance some will be right.

With computer modeling, one decides the outcome required and then writes the program guesstimate parameters to, miracle of miracles, come up with exactly the desired result.

I recall, about 40 years ago that "scientists" claimed that the Great Barrier Reef would be dead by the turn of the Century. It wasn't.

On the LNP plan for Net Zero, there is an often criticized element of technology "not yet developed". perhaps the critics believe there will be no new technology. Look at the last 29 years where there has been many advancements.

Anyway, even if the plan is flawed, it is better than no plan except being popular now with extravagant claims that will be the next generations achievement problem.

If one takes the life expectancy of 80 years (approx), then any scientist or politician over 50 may not be alive, let alone active in achieving the goal/target/aspriation/whatever.
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Ospif1 on November 28, 2021, 03:24:56 PM
One problem, as I see it, is the number of "scientists" with different scientific qualifications, such as Flannery has self admitted.

It would be difficult for anyone scientist or politician to prophecy what will happen in 2050.

There will be so many different "expert" and "political" theories that there is a random chance some will be right.

With computer modeling, one decides the outcome required and then writes the program guesstimate parameters to, miracle of miracles, come up with exactly the desired result.

I recall, about 40 years ago that "scientists" claimed that the Great Barrier Reef would be dead by the turn of the Century. It wasn't.

On the LNP plan for Net Zero, there is an often criticized element of technology "not yet developed". perhaps the critics believe there will be no new technology. Look at the last 29 years where there has been many advancements.

Anyway, even if the plan is flawed, it is better than no plan except being popular now with extravagant claims that will be the next generations achievement problem.

If one takes the life expectancy of 80 years (approx), then any scientist or politician over 50 may not be alive, let alone active in achieving the goal/target/aspriation/whatever.
The issue with using the great barrier reef as an example is you're comparing models from 40 years ago to those we can produce today.  Think about how computing has changed in 40 years?  It's not even relevant to bring up in conversation.  We now have endless amounts of data collected from around the globe tracking temperatures, pressures, levels, ecosystems and so on and thus are able to predict with far more accuracy what the future holds.  It's no longer opinion in the scientific community, it's facts driven by real data which shows very real changes over the recent past.
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: Bloopy on November 28, 2021, 04:32:01 PM
I'd take scientists' predictions to mean there's a notable chance of said things happening, not necessarily that they absolutely will happen. But they're not the sort of things to go gambling on. I don't think many places will be in climate strife in 2050 regardless of what we do or don't do. Ultimately it's more about preventing the worst of what could happen from 2100 onwards.

I heard the recent news (https://news.sky.com/story/great-barrier-reef-bursting-with-colour-as-it-recovers-from-years-of-coral-bleaching-12477172) that the Great Barrier Reef is recovering somewhat. So perhaps it's a distraction to focus on tiny living things that may adapt more readily than us.
Title: Re: LNP 2050 Net Zero agenda
Post by: stevo qld on November 28, 2021, 05:33:24 PM
One problem, as I see it, is the number of "scientists" with different scientific qualifications, such as Flannery has self admitted.

It would be difficult for anyone scientist or politician to prophecy what will happen in 2050.

There will be so many different "expert" and "political" theories that there is a random chance some will be right.

With computer modeling, one decides the outcome required and then writes the program guesstimate parameters to, miracle of miracles, come up with exactly the desired result.

I recall, about 40 years ago that "scientists" claimed that the Great Barrier Reef would be dead by the turn of the Century. It wasn't.

On the LNP plan for Net Zero, there is an often criticized element of technology "not yet developed". perhaps the critics believe there will be no new technology. Look at the last 29 years where there has been many advancements.

Anyway, even if the plan is flawed, it is better than no plan except being popular now with extravagant claims that will be the next generations achievement problem.

If one takes the life expectancy of 80 years (approx), then any scientist or politician over 50 may not be alive, let alone active in achieving the goal/target/aspriation/whatever.
The issue with using the great barrier reef as an example is you're comparing models from 40 years ago to those we can produce today.  Think about how computing has changed in 40 years?  It's not even relevant to bring up in conversation.  We now have endless amounts of data collected from around the globe tracking temperatures, pressures, levels, ecosystems and so on and thus are able to predict with far more accuracy what the future holds.  It's no longer opinion in the scientific community, it's facts driven by real data which shows very real changes over the recent past.

I believe it is relevant. The targets are 29 years in the FUTURE, so why is it not relevant to compare the last 29 years. OK. I pushed a bit past 29. I am not aware of any GBReef modeling back then anyway. It was just the opinion of experts and those experts have been proven wrong.

As I stated, they make the modeling parameters to obtain a predetermined outcome. Alternatively other modeling is pure guesswork.

Technology has moved on and will move on again, and you clearly agree with me. (Think about how computing has changed in 40 years?)

The context is that the LNP is partly relying on technology "not yet created", and is lambasted for it by certain people with their own unknown agenda.

To misquote a pampered, opinionated child, "How dare they"! ;)