Practice 1 at 3:50pm proper time....
https://issuu.com/speedcafe/docs/rjbatteries-sydney-2021
Quote from: REM on October 29, 2021, 02:21:26 PM
Practice 1 at 3:50pm proper time....
https://issuu.com/speedcafe/docs/rjbatteries-sydney-2021
Spoliers?
Ross, some men were meant to play the piano, and some were meant to carry it. You, sir, are the former with a tune we can all roll our heads back, close ours eyes, and listen to the tunes of..... yesteryear.... or maybe earlierintheyear?
Let us all raise our glasses to Eastern Creek!
We all have our crosses to bear! :D Gil would be upset if my spelling was on song....
I hope Waters carries his form, but (both he and SVG to a lesser extent) don't have the stellar track record there.....
Mostert could be on song too.....and how will the Shell boys go? They are expecting big things.....but history never repeats...
Well, just got an e-mail saying that there is no parking at the circuit this weekend unless you have a Park and View ticket. Would have been nice if this was made obvious when ordering the tickets. They have advised parking at Raging Waters which is a 4km walk away. No indication of a shuttle from there. It seems they want us all to cram onto trains and buses instead.
ADP from Camo.......go boys!!
That's crap K-man! It's over 35 degrees here at Manly.....would be pumpin out there.....
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/10/29/de-pasquale-fastest-in-supercars-practice-1-at-smp/
SPOLIERS will always have a place in the heart of of us Supercars fans!
Quote from: Kytabu on October 29, 2021, 04:03:56 PM
Well, just got an e-mail saying that there is no parking at the circuit this weekend unless you have a Park and View ticket. Would have been nice if this was made obvious when ordering the tickets. They have advised parking at Raging Waters which is a 4km walk away. No indication of a shuttle from there. It seems they want us all to cram onto trains and buses instead.
what a load of crap!!!
sounds more like a neat little 'upgrade your ticket' money grab sadly :'(
hope you've managed to have an ok day otherwise Kye
Wasn't out there today, only going for the weekend. Hoping we can snag a spot on Peter Brock Drive or in the industrial area. Hopefully it's a typically small Eastern Creek crowd ;D.
Quote from: Kytabu on October 29, 2021, 04:03:56 PM
Well, just got an e-mail saying that there is no parking at the circuit this weekend unless you have a Park and View ticket. Would have been nice if this was made obvious when ordering the tickets. They have advised parking at Raging Waters which is a 4km walk away. No indication of a shuttle from there. It seems they want us all to cram onto trains and buses instead.
Is it due to the Sydney Speedway construction work maybe?
There's details on the Raging Waters shuttle here https://www.supercars.com/sydney/event-guide/#Gettingthere
Quote from: Kytabu on October 29, 2021, 07:42:53 PM
Wasn't out there today, only going for the weekend. Hoping we can snag a spot on Peter Brock Drive or in the industrial area. Hopefully it's a typically small Eastern Creek crowd ;D.
Keep us posted, I might make it up for the 4th weekend :). Doesn't make sense why they'd close the usual parking between T2 and T5.
I'd also assume the paddock is closed?
Thanks SetonFan, that makes a lot more sense as to why they directed us to the waterpark now. I don't see why the speedway would have an effect as you can still access Gate A. Or they could have done what Muscle Car Masters have done in the past, open Gate B and use the grassed area there as a carpark. I thought it would have made more sense Covid-wise for people to enter the gates in their cars, rather than lining up together and getting on buses.
Skaifeman, paddock is closed. No chances being taken with such a tight schedule to finish the season.
It seems quite strange watching something which isn't a repeat of some kind.
Quote from: LG on October 30, 2021, 04:17:08 PM
It seems quite strange watching something which isn't a repeat of some kind.
How dare they replace repeats of Pickers and Storage Wars for this?
BOOM- ANTON!! Hell yes!!!
Anton blitzed them but you also have to give massive thumbs up to Will Brown, Davo and Kostecki.
Quote from: LG on October 30, 2021, 05:51:59 PM
Anton blitzed them but you also have to give massive thumbs up to Will Brown, Davo and Kostecki.
Yes, and especially thumbs up to Ludo for making car 17 so quick.
Not really feeling the night race vibes this time. Barely any of the teams are embracing the night aspect with cool lights etc, and the circuit has the lights way too bright. Feels like it's just a cloudy day...
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Quote from: murph_fan51 on October 30, 2021, 06:39:02 PM
Quote from: LG on October 30, 2021, 05:51:59 PM
Anton blitzed them but you also have to give massive thumbs up to Will Brown, Davo and Kostecki.
Yes, and especially thumbs up to Ludo for making car 17 so quick.
I reckon Ludo and Anton now understand each other. :)
Results of the first race since Adam was a boy (well, that's what it feels like).
http://racing.natsoft.com.au/638339893/object_673918.83f/Result?23
1 11 Shell V-Power Racing Team Anton De Pasquale Ford Mustang GT 5000 32 49:52.6919 2 1:30.6055 S
2 97 Red Bull Ampol Racing Team Shane van Gisbergen Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 49:57.8515 2 1:31.0105 S
3 99 Erebus Boost Mobile Racing Brodie Kostecki Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:03.0813 20 1:30.7323 S
4 8 R&J Batteries Nick Percat Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:03.6554 4 1:31.1271 S
5 9 Erebus Motorsport William Brown Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:04.3687 2 1:30.4792*S
6 25 Mobil 1 TM Appliances Online Chaz Mostert Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:09.6279 14 1:31.2813 S
7 17 Shell V-Power Racing Team Will Davison Ford Mustang GT 5000 32 50:11.2120 2 1:31.5021 S
8 26 Penrite Racing David Reynolds Ford Mustang GT 5000 32 50:15.2856 11 1:30.9734 S
9 88 Red Bull Ampol Racing Team Jamie Whincup Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:15.5035 3 1:31.8678 S
10 3 Dayco Racing Tim Slade Ford Mustang GT 5000 32 50:20.2078 25 1:31.8565 S
11 19 Local Legends Fabian Coulthard Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:29.3067 3 1:31.7500 S
12 18 IRWIN Racing Mark Winterbottom Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:29.8285 13 1:31.9336 S
13 6 Monster Energy Racing Cameron Waters Ford Mustang GT 5000 32 50:30.6503 3 1:31.7640 S
14 14 Dunlop Super Dealer Racing Todd Hazelwood Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:31.2845 12 1:32.0720 S
15 7 NED Whisky Racing Andre Heimgartner Ford Mustang GT 5000 32 50:31.4900 15 1:31.9368 S
16 96 Coca-Cola Racing Macauley Jones Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:34.4816 13 1:31.5637 S
17 22 PremiAir Hire Garry Jacobson Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:36.5845 14 1:31.4493 S
18 2 Mobil 1 TM Middy's Racing Bryce Fullwood Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:37.7535 23 1:32.3442 S
19 20 DEWALT Racing Scott Pye Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:37.9250 22 1:31.6778 S
20 4 SCT Logistics Jack Smith Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:38.0740 2 1:31.5787 S
21 5 Truck Assist Racing Jack Le Brocq Ford Mustang GT 5000 32 50:38.2644 22 1:32.1277 S
22 44 Boost Mobile Racing James Courtney Ford Mustang GT 5000 32 50:46.6007 20 1:32.4473 S
23 34 UNIT Racing Jake Kostecki Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:49.6442 19 1:31.8089 S
24 35 Yellow Cover Racing Zane Goddard Holden Commodore ZB 5000 32 50:53.4207 20 1:32.0955 S
Quote from: LG on October 30, 2021, 08:38:14 PM
Quote from: murph_fan51 on October 30, 2021, 06:39:02 PM
Quote from: LG on October 30, 2021, 05:51:59 PM
Anton blitzed them but you also have to give massive thumbs up to Will Brown, Davo and Kostecki.
Yes, and especially thumbs up to Ludo for making car 17 so quick.
I reckon Ludo and Anton now understand each other. :)
Certainly had a McLaughlin feel about it. Especially the shootout lap, just fantastic.
Well done to him, he can certainly nab some wins for the rest of the year, and they're positioned very well for Bathurst - they were quick there at years start.
Erebus put all their eggs in one basket and it cost them. They're quick, but now hindered themselves with tyre strategy for tomorrow.
Erebus seem to do that more often than not.
They are obviously missing a good strategist.
In saying that, they are doing an awesome job with 2 rookies!
Excellent for ADP! terrible for Camo and the Tickford boys, sad for Will B.... :(
Qualifying at 10:30am! Hope the Tickford boys can tune em up!
That's 9:30am real time folks - AEST ;D
Quote from: LG on October 31, 2021, 08:02:40 AM
That's 9:30am real time folks - AEST ;D
10:30am for anyone not in segro! ;D
Hopefully a bit more of a crowd turns out today....
Quote from: TheArrow on October 30, 2021, 07:31:53 PM
Not really feeling the night race vibes this time. Barely any of the teams are embracing the night aspect with cool lights etc, and the circuit has the lights way too bright. Feels like it's just a cloudy day...
Are you there, Arrow? Is ANYONE on the forum there?
Me personally.... I am here. Devil's Night. Halloween eve. Watching for punks.
Well done ADP- just the start the season needed! Fingers crossed he goes on with it....
Will Brown was a stand out in last night's race (which I only watched this morning) and Willy D did well despite his issues earlier.
ADP excluded from race 2! What a crap show from DJR today..., :(
Quote from: REM on October 31, 2021, 04:00:11 PM
ADP excluded from race 2! What a crap show from DJR today..., :(
Getting the tyres mixed up could be easy enough to do if you have **** hand writing where your ones look a little like sevens. The car numbers are scribbled on them so it's possible.
Quote from: CP on October 31, 2021, 04:45:06 PM
Quote from: REM on October 31, 2021, 04:00:11 PM
ADP excluded from race 2! What a crap show from DJR today..., :(
Getting the tyres mixed up could be easy enough to do if you have **** hand writing where your ones look a little like sevens. The car numbers are scribbled on them so it's possible.
yeah good point actually!
Will Brown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The boy has talent and he's not corporatised.
Congrats to Anton.
He has really stepped up.
I thought the racing was pretty high quality this weekend considering they haven't raced for 100+ days!
Looking forward to seeing how the next 3 weeks of racing pan out leading into Bathurst.
Quote from: Woodzy on October 31, 2021, 07:01:20 PM
I thought the racing was pretty high quality this weekend
I agree except I'd replace "racing" for "driving", a lot of strategy and it was interesting in it's own way.
I'm just worried about 3 more weekends of this - there's no overtaking unless there's a huge disparity in tyre condition. It's a boring track that doesn't seem to challenge anyone (minimal mistakes are made...)
Tickford were nowhere.
Was their apparent upturn in that final race due to better cars or did they save all their tyres for that race?
Well done to Anton and Will. A sign of things to come?
Tyre mix up is a shame and the team are getting a lot of hate on social but I'm sure I read somewhere that the reported the mistake themselves so kudos to them if they did.
ADP and Brown are going to be the next Scotty/Jdubs of the sport. Let's hope these seriously talented youngsters stay in rival makes for their careers.
Not sure I can stay interested in watching much more of the Creek though, never been a fan of watching racing there but it certainly is a fun track to drive.
Bit unfortunate Tickford started so well to the season then somehow lost the pace. Might as well engrave the trophy now.
It's a pity the drivers didn't spend more of the off time learning what the yellow lines on the edges of the circuit represent.
Nowhere near enough penalties for "exceeding the track limits" in my opinion.
What a farce.. drive wherever you like
Quote"This track is just terrible, it's like a cheese grater, and it's the best it's going to be tonight," Van Gisbergen told Fox Sports after Saturday's night race.
"Tomorrow's going to be tough, managing the tyres ... the surface here is just average."
Van Gisbergen's comments will be a concern for Supercars given the track is hosting four consecutive weekends of racing over the next month.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/surface-doesn-t-impress-supercars-star/ar-AAQ8ieg?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
SMP's problem is it was designed as a MotoGP track first, car circuit second.
Pretty much why the racing there and at the "euro style" tracks - Ph Island,
The Bend - produce mostly processional Supercar races.
This limiting of tyres over a weekend doesn't help promote good racing.
Conserving tyres 4 laps in is boring. Don't we want to see them all racing
hard, being able to fight for position??? Sure it brings in more strategy, but
it doesn't always produce close interesting racing.
Also those who make the Shootout should get a fresh set of "hand back" tyres.
Having 1 or 2 drivers conserve a set, go up against those using a green set is hardly fair!!!
The use of the SuperSoft later on could prove to be interesting though??
Jack Perkins, on his pit visit, mentioned that three front spoilers could be used over the three races.
The Dude reckons that Supercar spoilers cost about nine grand, so 18 to 27 grand for the meeting.
I hardly think that the cost to teams of an extra half dozen tyres will even cause a bump on their expense balance sheets.
On another matter, I noticed that a lot of drivers are now using the bra strap version of head restraint rather than the old HANS that was held in place by seat belts.
I wonder if these will help with driver changes at Bathurst, where it has been known that the HANS protrusiions aren't fitted correctly unde seat belts.
So close to a perfect round...
https://www.supercars.com/championship/2021-repco-supercars-championship-results/
EVENT RESULTS - Bunnings Trade Sydney SuperNight
Session Winner Results
Practice 1 ›
Anton De Pasquale ›
Shell V-Power Racing Team
Driver number Ford Mustang GT
Practice 2 ›
Anton De Pasquale ›
Shell V-Power Racing Team
Driver number Ford Mustang GT
ARMOR ALL Qualifying - Race 20 ›
Anton De Pasquale ›
Shell V-Power Racing Team
Driver number Ford Mustang GT
ARMOR ALL Top Ten Shootout - Race 20 ›
Anton De Pasquale ›
Shell V-Power Racing Team
Driver number Ford Mustang GT
Race 20 ›
Anton De Pasquale ›
Shell V-Power Racing Team
Driver number Ford Mustang GT
ARMOR ALL Qualifying - Race 21 ›
Anton De Pasquale ›
Shell V-Power Racing Team
Driver number Ford Mustang GT
ARMOR ALL Qualifying - Race 22 ›
Anton De Pasquale ›
Shell V-Power Racing Team
Driver number Ford Mustang GT
Race 21 ›
Shane van Gisbergen ›
Red Bull Ampol Racing Team
Driver number Holden Commodore ZB
Race 22 ›
Anton De Pasquale ›
Shell V-Power Racing Team
Driver number Ford Mustang GT
Must be one of the best 7th-place round finishes of all time from ADP.
Quote from: SetonFan on November 01, 2021, 08:39:49 PM
Must be one of the best 7th-place round finishes of all time from ADP.
I'm amazed at the fact that GT brought up over the weekend.
If we were still running Round Wins, SVG has won every round except one, in which he finished 2nd!
Quote from: skaifeman on November 02, 2021, 08:46:48 AM
Quote from: SetonFan on November 01, 2021, 08:39:49 PM
Must be one of the best 7th-place round finishes of all time from ADP.
I'm amazed at the fact that GT brought up over the weekend.
If we were still running Round Wins, SVG has won every round except one, in which he finished 2nd!
Yeah, has become very, very predictable.....and I note the lack of attendance at meetings! Hoping DJR can keep it up and Erebus and Tickford find their consistent form and keep adding some excitement....3 further rounds at SMP could get very stale....
https://www.motorsport.com/v8supercars/news/supercars-driver-vaccination-investigation/6735882/
One could have a fairly educated guess here as to this identity...
Nov 8 crowd limits removed venues can operate at full capacity [ if vaxed]
Quote from: Wrighty05 on November 02, 2021, 10:53:54 AM
https://www.motorsport.com/v8supercars/news/supercars-driver-vaccination-investigation/6735882/
One could have a fairly educated guess here as to this identity...
Bound to be one of those dopey Qldrs!! ;)
Quote from: REM on November 02, 2021, 12:21:13 PM
Quote from: Wrighty05 on November 02, 2021, 10:53:54 AM
https://www.motorsport.com/v8supercars/news/supercars-driver-vaccination-investigation/6735882/
One could have a fairly educated guess here as to this identity...
Bound to be one of those dopey Qldrs!! ;)
Most of those "dopey" Qeensland resident Supercar drivers were formerly smart Southerners who moved North as soon as they could afford it. ;D 8)
Quote from: stevo qld on November 02, 2021, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: REM on November 02, 2021, 12:21:13 PM
Quote from: Wrighty05 on November 02, 2021, 10:53:54 AM
https://www.motorsport.com/v8supercars/news/supercars-driver-vaccination-investigation/6735882/
One could have a fairly educated guess here as to this identity...
Bound to be one of those dopey Qldrs!! ;)
Most of those "dopey" Qeensland resident Supercar drivers were formerly smart Southerners who moved North as soon as they could afford it. ;D 8)
I am only baiting Col.......but of course, he ain't here.....I forget sometimes! ;)
Quote from: fordman on November 02, 2021, 12:20:01 PM
Nov 8 crowd limits removed venues can operate at full capacity [ if vaxed]
Will help at Bathurst but I'm not sure it will make much impact to the SMP crowds - it was well, well below the 10k limit last weekend.
It's now public that Reynolds is the driver in question with the alleged Covid authorisation breach
Quote from: Wrighty05 on November 03, 2021, 05:44:06 PM
It's now public that Reynolds is the driver in question with the alleged Covid authorisation breach
they picked up on it maybe being suss when the letter presented said "Davey doesn't need the jab. Signed, Davey's mum."
;)
Anyone too sick to get a needle is probably too sick to drive a race car anyway. >:(
Quote from: stevo qld on November 03, 2021, 07:26:37 PM
Anyone too sick to get a needle is probably too sick to drive a race car anyway. >:(
Who said he was to sick to get vaccinated? Some people can't get the flu vaccine yet can still live life.
Haven't seen a name anywhere, but if someone has a legal exemption in one state it should be legal in all states. Pretty sad that they resort to leaking a drama story like this to publicise the so called number one category in the country.
If Dave is actually playing silly games he's going to regret it... very few sponsors are going to support someone doing that
"An invalid medical exemption"
Sonic might be on to something... ;D
The Supercars driver at the centre of a COVID-19 vaccination probe is Australian David Reynolds, according to motorsport.com.
The website broke the news this week that a driver was being investigated by NSW Health, amid allegations a vaccine exemption he had used to cross from Victoria to NSW was invalid.
The investigation is in progress despite Supercars insisting that all of its drivers are compliant with COVID-19 vaccination requirements.
Double vaccination or a valid medical exemption is a requirement of entry to NSW from Victoria, as well as to large venues such as Sydney Motorsport Park.
"NSW Health is providing advice to Supercars to ensure that all participants meet the vaccination requirements and the events proceed in a COVID-safe manner," a NSW Health spokesperson said in a statement supplied to Wide World of Sports.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/motorsport/supercars-2021-david-reynolds-nsw-health-covid-19-vaccination-investigation/a5a28783-796b-4967-8020-194511be5039
QuoteDavid Reynolds will miss the remaining Repco Supercars Championship events at Sydney Motorsport park, Kelly Grove Racing has confirmed.
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/11/04/reynolds-to-miss-remaining-smp-events/
QuoteIn accordance with NSW Health Orders, in order to attend and compete at last weekend's Bunnings Trade Sydney Super Night and the next three rounds of the Championship at Sydney Motorsport Park, all Supercars attendees and drivers must either be fully vaccinated with accepted COVID-19 vaccines or be exempt from vaccination.
"It is on this basis that the venue has an exemption to host up to 10,000 people per day. In the last week, NSW health authorities, working closely with Supercars, Kelly Grove Racing and David Reynolds have carefully considered a vaccination exemption presented by David and have concluded that David is not exempt from receiving the vaccine.
"With NSW health authorities having reached this conclusion, David has had his first vaccine shot administered and has scheduled his second vaccine shot. While waiting for his second vaccine shot, however, David is not able to compete at the three upcoming Sydney Motorsport Park rounds of the 2021 Supercars Championship.
"Once fully vaccinated, as scheduled, David could be eligible to drive in the Repco Bathurst 1000. David says that he is bitterly disappointed to be missing the next three races at Sydney Motorsport Park, but respects the decision and is happy to continue to comply with health orders."
Oh dear.
And then gets the jab anyway.
I'm sure Penrite and Grove are thrilled
Quote from: Wrighty05 on November 04, 2021, 11:26:40 AM
Oh dear.
And then gets the jab anyway.
I'm sure Penrite and Grove are thrilled
What he did just doesn't make sense.
It'd be a conundrum for Grove/Kelly if their substitute puts in great performances. :D
Quote from: LG on November 04, 2021, 12:02:51 PM
Quote from: Wrighty05 on November 04, 2021, 11:26:40 AM
Oh dear.
And then gets the jab anyway.
I'm sure Penrite and Grove are thrilled
What he did just doesn't make sense.
It'd be a conundrum for Grove/Kelly if their substitute puts in great performances. :D
Supercars has always been called a travelling circus and every circus needs a chief clown.
Quote from: Troy01505 on November 03, 2021, 10:11:05 PM
Pretty sad that they resort to leaking a drama story like this to publicise the so called number one category in the country.
Who leaked the story?
In my view Reynolds should be given the rest of the year off - including Bathurst - for bringing the sport into disrepute. The industry has sacrificed so much and got so much at stake for something like this to derail the championship.
Would love to hear Barry Ryan's thoughts after their clash last year about COVID protocols.
Quote from: SetonFan on November 04, 2021, 08:26:49 PM
In my view Reynolds should be given the rest of the year off - including Bathurst - for bringing the sport into disrepute. The industry has sacrificed so much and got so much at stake for something like this to derail the championship.
Would love to hear Barry Ryan's thoughts after their clash last year about COVID protocols.
I missed that they clashed over covid... any articles about that or can you give me the gist at least?
Looks like Luke Youlden this weekend. Matt Campbell is in the runway chute. What is the "rule" for driving solo and still being a #2 driver in the enduro(s)? Like..... how many races can one drive solo and not lose eligibility?
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/11/04/youlden-confirmed-for-solo-supercars-championship-debut/
Youlden confirmed for solo Supercars Championship debut
By Simon Chapman
Thursday 4th November, 2021 - 2:00pm
Kelly Grove Racing has confirmed 2017 Bathurst 1000 winner Luke Youlden will step in for the sidelined David Reynolds at the Armor All Sydney SuperNight this weekend.
It will mark Youlden's first solo Repco Supercars Championship event.
The experienced co-driver, who has 20 starts in the Bathurst 1000 to his name, will pilot the Penrite Racing #26 Ford Mustang after Reynolds was benched by the team.
"I'm super pumped to get the opportunity to drive my first ever Sprint Round this weekend," said Youlden.
"Getting these laps under my belt before we head to Bathurst will be great preparation before we take on the 1000 in December."
Today it was confirmed Reynolds did not have a valid COVID-19 vaccine exemption.
That news came after it emerged a driver, later revealed to be Reynolds, was under investigation by NSW Health.
Reynolds will miss at least the remaining three events at Sydney Motorsport Park and could miss the Bathurst 1000 pending the administration of his second COVID-19 vaccine dose.
Youlden will contest the second Sydney Motorsport Park event at a minimum.
Matt Campell, who will join Andre Heimgartner in the Ned Racing #7 Ford Mustang, is also likely to have a run in the #26 entry at Sydney Motorsport Park.
I would love tom see Youlden get a few podium or top five finishes at Sydney.
Grove, subject to MA exemption on another driver, could have a seat in 2022 to replace Heimgartner, or even Reynolds.
Quote from: stevo qld on November 05, 2021, 10:53:33 AM
I would love tom see Youlden get a few podium or top five finishes at Sydney.
I love your enthusiasm, Stevo, but that would be a stretch.
On the other hand I am going to play the joker card for Davey here.
My body. My choice. VAX.... or abortion. A personal choice that can be over ruled by the governing crew. Let us respect everyone's view/choice on this matter.
But this is not the forum for that topic. Let us get on with SMP II !
Can Erebus continue their roll with the new decree of both hard and soft tyres this round? Five sets of softs and three sets of hards?
ME? I am GAME ON for SMP II!
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on November 05, 2021, 09:54:09 AM
Looks like Luke Youlden this weekend. Matt Campbell is in the runway chute. What is the "rule" for driving solo and still being a #2 driver in the enduro(s)? Like..... how many races can one drive solo and not lose eligibility?
I know that the Super2 drivers are allowed to drive at only three sprint events before becoming ineligible to continue Super2 for the season. I cannot find anything in the Ops Manual referring to co-drivers having a maximum number of sprint round drives, but I assume it would be the same. I thought it was mentioned somewhere when MSR launched the SuperLite program for 2020.
Quote from: Brazen on November 04, 2021, 10:51:35 PM
I missed that they clashed over covid... any articles about that or can you give me the gist at least?
Check out Barry Ryan on the V8 Sleuth podcast from May this year.
From memory it basically sounded like Ryan believed they had a responsibility to stay home and not leave the "bubble" due to the risks to the category but Reynolds wanted to go out and have dinner etc as per normal.
Quote from: SetonFan on November 06, 2021, 12:17:26 AM
Quote from: Brazen on November 04, 2021, 10:51:35 PM
I missed that they clashed over covid... any articles about that or can you give me the gist at least?
Check out Barry Ryan on the V8 Sleuth podcast from May this year.
From memory it basically sounded like Ryan believed they had a responsibility to stay home and not leave the "bubble" due to the risks to the category but Reynolds wanted to go out and have dinner etc as per normal.
Tickford pissed him off due to "funding", Erebus let him go because he is annoying and a soon, he is actually to much hassle for the results he gets.
Grove should sack him.
It's still hard to believe that after all the years Luke Youlden has been racing for, it's taken until 2021 for his solo debut.
What happened to Anton in qualifying for R23, never left the pits.
Edit: He did leave but came in without setting a time.
Editing the edit: I have no idea what's going on with Quali ;)
Quote from: AlbertM on November 06, 2021, 05:23:43 PM
What happened to Anton in qualifying for R23, never left the pits. DJR bookend the grid for R23
Edit: He did leave but came in without setting a time.
speedcafe reports transaxle issue???
Erebus are firing on all cylinders in Q2
Yep no gears for Anton so it will be the transaxle.
He'll have his work cut out from the rear.
Will Brown is on it again.
Gotta feel for poor Will with a nut issue robbing him of any chance after pole and leading well early on... now top 10 will have to suffice.
Quote from: Sonic on November 06, 2021, 08:24:28 PM
Gotta feel for poor Will with a nut issue robbing him of any chance after pole and leading well early on... now top 10 will have to suffice.
That's 2 meetings in a row now!
Quote from: LG on November 06, 2021, 08:34:14 PM
Quote from: Sonic on November 06, 2021, 08:24:28 PM
Gotta feel for poor Will with a nut issue robbing him of any chance after pole and leading well early on... now top 10 will have to suffice.
That's 2 meetings in a row now!
does that mean Erebus is now neutered with no nuts left? lol
Quote from: REM on November 02, 2021, 08:59:13 AM
Quote from: skaifeman on November 02, 2021, 08:46:48 AM
Quote from: SetonFan on November 01, 2021, 08:39:49 PM
Must be one of the best 7th-place round finishes of all time from ADP.
I'm amazed at the fact that GT brought up over the weekend.
If we were still running Round Wins, SVG has won every round except one, in which he finished 2nd!
Yeah, has become very, very predictable.....
Definitely, Anton topped every session except one! ;D
Quote from: REM on November 02, 2021, 08:59:13 AM
and I note the lack of attendance at meetings!
You should head on over, only an hour or so away from you? 8)
The blokes on the right side of the Erebus car won't be sleeping tonight. If Barry gives them a mouthful or even a brief stare, the message would be the same :o.
Hoping for some rain tomorrow, rain at night could be a great spectacle.
Some good battles that I didn't expect in that first race today.
Yea there was, unfortunately it's just too hard to pass without a significant speed advantage.
Gen 3 cant come quick enough.
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/mostert-excluded-from-race-25-qualifying/
How does that work? Cars must be assembled with blu-tac.
That's got to be the biggest jump start since Skaifey in the same bloody spot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHZ_dl9i_1Q
Larko has cottoned on ;D
Great stuff ;D. Nothing beats Richard Mork at Phillip Island in the Utes though!
Courtney said he just wanted to have a beer after the first race today, would have been a better idea.
I think SVG passed Anton before the control line on the restart too.
Quote from: Kytabu on November 07, 2021, 07:48:33 PM
I think SVG passed Anton before the control line on the restart too.
By millimetres if he did
Quote from: AlbertM on November 07, 2021, 07:21:53 PM
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/mostert-excluded-from-race-25-qualifying/
How does that work? Cars must be assembled with blu-tac.
I'm sure plenty of cars have finished races that don't meet dimensions, potentially weight. Wonder is qualy is treated differently?
Supercars finally have the prime timeslot and and we go time certain... wonder if the NRL ever call a game early because they went over time, so reruns of Friends can be played afterwards...
Yep, Kye, SVG penalty for just that.
de Pasquale definitely stagnated for a second, you can hear it in the revs. SVG just got out SVG'd.
Giz penalty... Giz no penalty (should not have been withdrawn!!)
now let's see if they have the balls to give him a penalty for the pit effort!
SVG should get one for his stop though... (confirmed).
There's some great drives happening. Plenty coming through the field and the top 3 are faultless so far.
What a rollercoaster for SVG in the last five minutes.
Awesome battle for the podium here!
so you can now make excuses for passing cars prior to a restart... cool to know...
Tend to agree. Anton out foxed SVG. SVG suffered for that restart anyway.
Quote from: Sonic on November 07, 2021, 08:26:21 PM
so you can now make excuses for passing cars prior to a restart... cool to know...
Just playing devils advocate, isn't it up to all cars to maintain the gap to the car infront. Coming off a little isn't maintaining the gap?
Could be wrong, just trying to justify the decision, there's surely a rule if they called it.
Red flag just now, doubt this thing will get started again. Shame, I'd imagine Mostert was going to give it a shake! And SVG from the back.
How can there be a restart when time certain has been reached already. They just completed 75% distance so surely it's race over, full-points?
Skaife and Tander trying their absolute best to get ADP a penalty. Great unbiased commentary from them.
Quote from: Kytabu on November 07, 2021, 08:31:07 PM
How can there be a restart when time certain has been reached already. They just completed 75% distance so surely it's race over, full-points?
Race is set to end at 8:50pm Sydney time. Still 15mins to go as I write this.
Quote from: madbugger on November 07, 2021, 08:34:48 PM
Skaife and Tander trying their absolute best to get ADP a penalty. Great unbiased commentary from them.
I thought Crompo brought it up? You're either right or wrong in this game, as stated above, if you don't maintain the gap you cop a penalty - happened plenty in the past... what was the term? 4 car lengths?
ADP isn't much better at his poker face than the politician :D :D. I say play on, SVG copped it anyway. SVG just said it "he lifted, and I didn't. Which is probably why I went off the track."
Quote from: madbugger on November 07, 2021, 08:34:48 PM
Skaife and Tander trying their absolute best to get ADP a penalty. Great unbiased commentary from them.
What are they trying to pin on him? Lifting at the restart?
Ah, right, the schedule says 8:30 but they just said it was updated. I did hear Crompo say it earlier but thought he said the wrong time.
Single file restarts with no overlapping need to be brought back.
Quote from: AlbertM on November 07, 2021, 08:30:12 PM
Tend to agree. Anton out foxed SVG. SVG suffered for that restart anyway.
yes he did suffer for sure... but Giz apparently does not know how to match speed on a restart.
wasn't a rule introduced after the last farce where people started pulling alongside that it had to be single file up to the line? Giz had already pulled alongside ADP off the corner
Quote from: Sonic on November 07, 2021, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on November 07, 2021, 08:30:12 PM
Tend to agree. Anton out foxed SVG. SVG suffered for that restart anyway.
yes he did suffer for sure... but Giz apparently does not know how to match speed on a restart.
It's pretty annoying when the car infront of you can't maintain speed on the highway too.
Quote from: skaifeman on November 07, 2021, 08:30:38 PM
Quote from: Sonic on November 07, 2021, 08:26:21 PM
so you can now make excuses for passing cars prior to a restart... cool to know...
Just playing devils advocate, isn't it up to all cars to maintain the gap to the car infront. Coming off a little isn't maintaining the gap?
Could be wrong, just trying to justify the decision, there's surely a rule if they called it.
Red flag just now, doubt this thing will get started again. Shame, I'd imagine Mostert was going to give it a shake! And SVG from the back.
yes, think it is 5 car lengths... but from memory coming onto the straight ADP got some wheelspin which dropped him back more than that... if he accelerated back to where he was supposed to be he also would have then had to lift which would have been against the rules...
Giz's penalty for overtaking should not have been rescinded.
and race declared
So it ends up as a DJR 1-2 for the weekend...Anton 238 and winning the weekend after starting last in the first race. Davo with 230 and consistency. Whincup steals third overall with the fastest lap in the race, 217 to Percat and SVG on 216.
man of the match, Chaz... 26th to 3rd!
Quote from: Sonic on November 07, 2021, 08:45:00 PM
man of the match, Chaz... 26th to 3rd!
Chaz wanted more too. Brown was also fantastic.
Kudos to all, really challenging conditions. Funny seeing Whincup win, can't recall him being a 'rainmaster' but he was the fastest and mistake free.
And Bryce with the start of the year :P.
Quote from: Kytabu on November 07, 2021, 08:44:36 PM
So it ends up as a DJR 1-2 for the weekend...Anton 238 and winning the weekend after starting last in the first race. Davo with 230 and consistency. Whincup steals third overall with the fastest lap in the race, 217 to Percat and SVG on 216.
Speaking of round wins, I think someone said earlier in the thread SVG has won all but one round in 2021 - hadn't he lost two (prior to today); Tasmania to Whincup and Darwin to Mostert?
Quote from: skaifeman on November 07, 2021, 08:43:06 PM
Quote from: Sonic on November 07, 2021, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on November 07, 2021, 08:30:12 PM
Tend to agree. Anton out foxed SVG. SVG suffered for that restart anyway.
yes he did suffer for sure... but Giz apparently does not know how to match speed on a restart.
It's pretty annoying when the car infront of you can't maintain speed on the highway too.
This isn't the highway :) SVG pushed the limit and lost. Part of racing is forcing your opponent to make mistakes. I have no doubt the penalty would have stuck if SVG didn't fly off at T1.
Biggest sin from race control is how long they left Fullwood out after jumping the start.
I've watched and listened to that restart probably 20 times.
I still can't see or hear where Anton supposedly lifted for 1.2 secs as Burgess said.
What I do see is Anton being slow to start compared to the cars around him.
In a post race interview he said that he couldn't see the green so he went after he noticed the cars around him taking off.
He then lifted before turn 1 so he could get around it unlike the 97 car.
I thought I heard Anton partially lift the throttle but not for 1.2 seconds. Seemed shorter.
I know that PLP for the stop for 97 was a slam dunk penalty, but how's the skill of the mechanic to tighten that up on the move!!!
Nice race there to remind us all that these drivers are all quite skilled!
Quote from: Wrighty05 on November 07, 2021, 10:25:55 PM
I thought I heard Anton partially lift the throttle but not for 1.2 seconds. Seemed shorter.
I know that PLP for the stop for 97 was a slam dunk penalty, but how's the skill of the mechanic to tighten that up on the move!!!
Nice race there to remind us all that these drivers are all quite skilled!
SC website has the incar vidio of both cars seems to me he got wheel spin entering the straight at the point the car in front took off. SVG anticipated the move but didn't catch the wheel spin of ADP which cost him momentum thus appearing to back off. there was NO OBVIOUS back off in the vidio I could tell. maybe car telemetry cold shw more. plus vision of the green light wold be next to nil
Did they not do any testing under lights in the rain?
Quote from: Wrighty05 on November 07, 2021, 10:25:55 PM
I thought I heard Anton partially lift the throttle but not for 1.2 seconds. Seemed shorter.
I know that PLP for the stop for 97 was a slam dunk penalty, but how's the skill of the mechanic to tighten that up on the move!!!
Nice race there to remind us all that these drivers are all quite skilled!
He momentarily lost traction there and was wheel spinning. Maybe that's when they are saying he lifted
Quote from: fordman on November 08, 2021, 07:55:11 AM
Quote from: Wrighty05 on November 07, 2021, 10:25:55 PM
I thought I heard Anton partially lift the throttle but not for 1.2 seconds. Seemed shorter.
I know that PLP for the stop for 97 was a slam dunk penalty, but how's the skill of the mechanic to tighten that up on the move!!!
Nice race there to remind us all that these drivers are all quite skilled!
SC website has the incar vidio of both cars seems to me he got wheel spin entering the straight at the point the car in front took off. SVG anticipated the move but didn't catch the wheel spin of ADP which cost him momentum thus appearing to back off. there was NO OBVIOUS back off in the vidio I could tell. maybe car telemetry cold shw more. plus vision of the green light wold be next to nil
It wasn't entering the straight, or at approach to turn 1, it was just before the start/finish. The exact moment when SVG flies past and Davo almost goes with him.
Between the 12 and 14sec mark, it's clear as day there's a hold in revs. Would be even clearer if they didn't overlap the audio of both cars.
https://www.supercars.com/videos/championship/onboard-did-de-pasquale-lift-off/
I'm not championing SVG. SVG got out SVG'd. But the evidence is there and the telemetry proves it (would be nice if Supercars could show this), why are we acting like there's a conspiracy?
If ADP didn't lift, I think DJR would say otherwise.
D10.2.12.1 says drivers must accelerate or maintain the prescribed speed once the green flags are waved for the recommencent of the race.
Adrian Burgess said Anton dropped to 45% throttle. That's still accelerating.
There is no way for us to prove (or disprove) that Anton backed off with the sole intention of ensuring SvG was penalised. Looking at the facts, Anton did not explicitly break any rules.
Whether the drive through should have been withdrawn is another discussion. That's setting an entirely new precedent for drivers/teams to demand a MID-RACE review prior to serving the penalty.
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Quote from: TheArrow on November 08, 2021, 09:52:41 AM
D10.2.12.1 says drivers must accelerate or maintain the prescribed speed once the green flags are waved for the recommencent of the race.
Adrian Burgess said Anton dropped to 45% throttle. That's still accelerating.
There is no way for us to prove (or disprove) that Anton backed off with the sole intention of ensuring SvG was penalised. Looking at the facts, Anton did not explicitly break any rules.
Whether the drive through should have been withdrawn is another discussion. That's setting an entirely new precedent for drivers/teams to demand a MID-RACE review prior to serving the penalty.
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Having some pressure on the pedal does not mean you ate accelerating. At higher speeds you need a decent pressure on the pedal to just maintain speed. 45% pressure at 200kmh could well result in deceleration / reduction in speed.
Those are all great points, Arrow.
Quote from: LG on November 07, 2021, 10:16:36 PM
I've watched and listened to that restart probably 20 times.
I still can't see or hear where Anton supposedly lifted for 1.2 secs as Burgess said.
What I do see is Anton being slow to start compared to the cars around him.
In a post race interview he said that he couldn't see the green so he went after he noticed the cars around him taking off.
He then lifted before turn 1 so he could get around it unlike the 97 car.
When he came onto the straight he had wheel spin. That is the lift where Giz got a run on him (and should have stayed behind).
After that it is steady acceleration.
Giz should have served the penalty. He screwed up and the tower bowed to him. Not good enough.
Quote from: skaifeman on November 08, 2021, 09:19:16 AM
Quote from: fordman on November 08, 2021, 07:55:11 AM
Quote from: Wrighty05 on November 07, 2021, 10:25:55 PM
I thought I heard Anton partially lift the throttle but not for 1.2 seconds. Seemed shorter.
I know that PLP for the stop for 97 was a slam dunk penalty, but how's the skill of the mechanic to tighten that up on the move!!!
Nice race there to remind us all that these drivers are all quite skilled!
SC website has the incar vidio of both cars seems to me he got wheel spin entering the straight at the point the car in front took off. SVG anticipated the move but didn't catch the wheel spin of ADP which cost him momentum thus appearing to back off. there was NO OBVIOUS back off in the vidio I could tell. maybe car telemetry cold shw more. plus vision of the green light wold be next to nil
It wasn't entering the straight, or at approach to turn 1, it was just before the start/finish. The exact moment when SVG flies past and Davo almost goes with him.
Between the 12 and 14sec mark, it's clear as day there's a hold in revs. Would be even clearer if they didn't overlap the audio of both cars.
https://www.supercars.com/videos/championship/onboard-did-de-pasquale-lift-off/
I'm not championing SVG. SVG got out SVG'd. But the evidence is there and the telemetry proves it (would be nice if Supercars could show this), why are we acting like there's a conspiracy?
If ADP didn't lift, I think DJR would say otherwise.
I agree he eased of the throttle before the start / finish line. Both the audio & the vision support that.Before that point, SVG was on car 17's inside accelerating at or very close to the same rate as De Pascale. Then SVG, and Davison shoot forward.
I don't think De Pascale eased off the throttle in order to cause SVG to get a penalty. This isn't soccer where offsides are specifically looked for. Did DJR lodge a protest regarding SVG passing? I don't think so. I reckon De Pascale lifted because by the time you get to the start / finish line at SMP you are going pretty quick and not far from the braking point in the wet. De Pascale would have known he wasn't going to out brake SVG, didn't want to travel around turn 1 outside SVG, and needed to tuck in behind him. So he lifts a little so he can do so. SVG doesn't and spears off.
I reckon the penalty should not have been reversed.
I think they said the start line is 150m from T1 - would they really be lifting that far before the corner even in the full wet?
of course he lifted when he went into wheelspin... the other option was to head to the fence.
plus he would not be accelerating at that point even if he didn't lift (and kept it in a straight line)... no traction = no forward movement.
PLUS once ADP did recover after his short lift if he sped up to catch back to the 5 car distance he would then have had to slow back down to whatever the mandated speed was or he likely would have been penalised for that (speeding prior to restart... or advantage gained after the restart).
there is simply no way you can spin it that Giz did not deserve a drive through for passing under yellow/SC conditions.
Anton said he lifted because he was being passed. He didn't want to go hard on the standing water on the outside line, and certainly not with Shane of all drivers on the inside of him as djr18fan said. Before knowing Davo was there, he was perhaps looking to lift and tuck in behind Shane as if it was a normal pass, not factoring in the role of the control line at all. After the race Skaife mentioned rules around maintaining speed to avoid a jam-up, plus the standing water and that a driver should be allowed to lift for that reason. If there's a rule that covers maintaining speed like that, Anton could well have gotten a penalty if the conditions were dry.
I think it was fine for Shane's penalty to be reversed because the breach was only made possible due to Anton lifting. It's not Shane's fault if the other driver chooses to lift before the control line. Of course it was pretty satisfying watching Shane find out why Anton lifted as he arrived at those turn 1 conditions!
Quote from: Bloopy on November 08, 2021, 10:36:45 PM
Anton said he lifted because he was being passed. He didn't want to go hard on the standing water on the outside line, and certainly not with Shane of all drivers on the inside of him as djr18fan said. Before knowing Davo was there, he was perhaps looking to lift and tuck in behind Shane as if it was a normal pass, not factoring in the role of the control line at all. After the race Skaife mentioned rules around maintaining speed to avoid a jam-up, plus the standing water and that a driver should be allowed to lift for that reason. If there's a rule that covers maintaining speed like that, Anton could well have gotten a penalty if the conditions were dry.
I think it was fine for Shane's penalty to be reversed because the breach was only made possible due to Anton lifting. It's not Shane's fault if the other driver chooses to lift before the control line. Of course it was pretty satisfying watching Shane find out why Anton lifted as he arrived at those turn 1 conditions!
are there any other reasons you think a driver is allowed to ignore the yellow? Giz passed while still under yellow. He should have lifted.
Was Burgess outright lying when he said the data showed no wheelspin for Anton?
Quote from: Ospif1 on November 08, 2021, 11:02:25 PM
Was Burgess outright lying when he said the data showed no wheelspin for Anton?
maybe he wasn't looking at the same thing that was shown on tv?
Quote from: Sonic on November 08, 2021, 07:14:23 PM
of course he lifted when he went into wheelspin... the other option was to head to the fence.
plus he would not be accelerating at that point even if he didn't lift (and kept it in a straight line)... no traction = no forward movement.
PLUS once ADP did recover after his short lift if he sped up to catch back to the 5 car distance he would then have had to slow back down to whatever the mandated speed was or he likely would have been penalised for that (speeding prior to restart... or advantage gained after the restart).
The lift in question was around the start finish line, nothing to do with the entry onto the straight and any loss of traction there.
What do the revs do when traction is lost? Didn't hear any loss of traction from Anton whilst in the straight line. The revs stagnated and then rose again.
Refer the video I posted and the time stamp. It's there to hear. Happy to say I'm wrong if that's not the case.
This is one of those moments that Supercars should just share that segment of data to show their reasoning, at least they'd have a leg to stand on regarding any decision they made.
Then it becomes interpretation of the rules, opposed to "he said, she said."
There's no reason for them to release the data. They reviewed it when the incident occurred and told us they saw the throttle lift without any supporting data to show he did so due to loss of traction. They have nothing to gain from lying about it.
The argument is whether Anton lifted due to his perception of the situation, whether he saw a puddle ahead he wanted to he weary of for example.
I had to laugh because as soon as I saw SVG put his nose alongside Anton coming out of the last corner I thought, "Wouldn't it be funny if Anton lifted so SVG passed him before the control line?"
I still do not understand why overlapping is allowed on restarts. It should be single file to the control line.
Also, a shout out to Youlden. To qualify twice in the top twelve, and finish eleventh in the wet, was brilliant. I know the KGR cars are traditionally good in the rain, but very impressive from Luke in his first solo drive.
Quote from: SetonFan on November 07, 2021, 08:48:21 PM
Quote from: Kytabu on November 07, 2021, 08:44:36 PM
So it ends up as a DJR 1-2 for the weekend...Anton 238 and winning the weekend after starting last in the first race. Davo with 230 and consistency. Whincup steals third overall with the fastest lap in the race, 217 to Percat and SVG on 216.
Speaking of round wins, I think someone said earlier in the thread SVG has won all but one round in 2021 - hadn't he lost two (prior to today); Tasmania to Whincup and Darwin to Mostert?
Tander stated that he won all but one, maybe I misheard, because you're right, he's finished 2nd in the above 2 (which Tander also confirmed, his worst round finish, at the time, was 2nd) and now 5th in this latest Sydney showing.
SVG would have matched Dick's record of 11 consecutive top three round finishes too, and McLaughlin's record of nine straight from the start of a season, had he scored two extra points over the weekend.
Quote from: Sonic on November 08, 2021, 11:00:17 PM
are there any other reasons you think a driver is allowed to ignore the yellow? Giz passed while still under yellow. He should have lifted.
There's a big difference between passing under yellow at safety car speed versus doing it at over 200km/h right before the control line as the green gets waved. I basically agree with what Skaife said about that scenario, in that lifting can cause an accident due to a concertina effect. Giz didn't have a lot of time to react to Anton lifting... did you want him to jam on the brakes while Davo was behind him? (Ignoring that Shane's team wanted him to jam on the brakes so he actually made the corner, that's a separate story)
If there had been a problem with either car then Giz shouldn't get a penalty in that scenario either, eg. if he got a stuck throttle, or Anton slowed because he had a wheel go loose or his steering broke and he veered onto the grass or something.
Quote from: Bloopy on November 09, 2021, 12:17:05 PM
.... if he got a stuck throttle, or Anton slowed because he had a wheel go loose or his steering broke and he veered onto the grass or something.
I'm lost......?
I'm lost too based on Sonic's twisted question to me. Just listing some (unlikely) examples of why the 'no passing before the control line' rule cannot be absolute.
Quote from: Bloopy on November 09, 2021, 12:56:26 PM
I'm lost too based on Sonic's twisted question to me. Just listing some (unlikely) examples of why the 'no passing before the control line' rule cannot be absolute.
if ADP had gone off track then there would be no issue of Giz going past him.
but all that happened was that he broke traction and had to lift for, what was it? 1.4 secs? and if I recall they said he was still on 45% throttle so he was still going in the right direction.
just because the driver in front is not accelerating to your liking is not permission to pass them. drivers in state racing know that! apparently the SC fraternity is making its own rules again to suit themselves.
Quote from: Sonic on November 09, 2021, 01:20:57 PM
Quote from: Bloopy on November 09, 2021, 12:56:26 PM
I'm lost too based on Sonic's twisted question to me. Just listing some (unlikely) examples of why the 'no passing before the control line' rule cannot be absolute.
if ADP had gone off track then there would be no issue of Giz going past him.
but all that happened was that he broke traction and had to lift for, what was it? 1.4 secs? and if I recall they said he was still on 45% throttle so he was still going in the right direction.
just because the driver in front is not accelerating to your liking is not permission to pass them. drivers in state racing know that! apparently the SC fraternity is making its own rules again to suit themselves.
He never broke traction when he lifted, and the data can confirm (according to those in the tower).
I have no issue with your reasoning for SVG to stay penalised, but you're getting mixed up between when he actually lifted (just before the start/finish) and entering the straight.
Quote from: skaifeman on November 09, 2021, 02:29:25 PM
Quote from: Sonic on November 09, 2021, 01:20:57 PM
Quote from: Bloopy on November 09, 2021, 12:56:26 PM
I'm lost too based on Sonic's twisted question to me. Just listing some (unlikely) examples of why the 'no passing before the control line' rule cannot be absolute.
if ADP had gone off track then there would be no issue of Giz going past him.
but all that happened was that he broke traction and had to lift for, what was it? 1.4 secs? and if I recall they said he was still on 45% throttle so he was still going in the right direction.
just because the driver in front is not accelerating to your liking is not permission to pass them. drivers in state racing know that! apparently the SC fraternity is making its own rules again to suit themselves.
He never broke traction when he lifted, and the data can confirm (according to those in the tower).
I have no issue with your reasoning for SVG to stay penalised, but you're getting mixed up between when he actually lifted (just before the start/finish) and entering the straight.
If data shows that he accelerated at a slower rate than Giz expected (after the wheelspin lift at the start of the straight) it is irrelevant I think. The onboard that they showed seemed to show a slow increase in speed (compared to those in front of him and behind). Perhaps it really is just the wet track being the issue and ADP playing it safe (as he did again at T1 when Giz didn't).
Don't think it would have happened if it was a dry track.
It still remains though that drivers should be single file for restart. Didn't they bring that in?? Was it rescinded?? Always remember at Bathurst it is pretty much no weaving and single file from entry to the Chase. It should be the same at every track.... but that would make for boring tv with no scandal right?
As far as I'm aware the rule is single file and no weaving after the SC lights go out, then after the final corner you can overlap but you cannot overtake until the control line. It creates issues at the circuits where the control line is a long way from the final corner, where the driver in front doesn't want to go straight away and give the drivers behind a slipstream. Hidden Valley and SMP have had the most notable incidents in recent times (members may recall the four wide restart at Hidden Valley in 2011 which saw Whincup, Frosty and SVG all get penalised for various infringements).
Quote from: Sonic on November 09, 2021, 01:20:57 PM
just because the driver in front is not accelerating to your liking is not permission to pass them.
I've heard your point but you ignored my subsequent question in reply to you. I'm not sure Giz had time to react to Anton lifting that much. Did Giz need to brake and check up Davo behind? That doesn't seem ideal either.
ADP, with 45% throttle percentage, may have stopped accelerating. He may have been decelerating.
Has SVG ever deliberately slowed to cause a competitor to receive a penalty at a restart?
Those that said SVG had been SVG'd must think so. Yet think ADP doing the same is OK?
Quote from: Sonic on November 09, 2021, 02:57:26 PM
Quote from: skaifeman on November 09, 2021, 02:29:25 PM
Quote from: Sonic on November 09, 2021, 01:20:57 PM
Quote from: Bloopy on November 09, 2021, 12:56:26 PM
I'm lost too based on Sonic's twisted question to me. Just listing some (unlikely) examples of why the 'no passing before the control line' rule cannot be absolute.
if ADP had gone off track then there would be no issue of Giz going past him.
but all that happened was that he broke traction and had to lift for, what was it? 1.4 secs? and if I recall they said he was still on 45% throttle so he was still going in the right direction.
just because the driver in front is not accelerating to your liking is not permission to pass them. drivers in state racing know that! apparently the SC fraternity is making its own rules again to suit themselves.
He never broke traction when he lifted, and the data can confirm (according to those in the tower).
I have no issue with your reasoning for SVG to stay penalised, but you're getting mixed up between when he actually lifted (just before the start/finish) and entering the straight.
If data shows that he accelerated at a slower rate than Giz expected (after the wheelspin lift at the start of the straight) it is irrelevant I think. The onboard that they showed seemed to show a slow increase in speed (compared to those in front of him and behind). Perhaps it really is just the wet track being the issue and ADP playing it safe (as he did again at T1 when Giz didn't).
Don't think it would have happened if it was a dry track.
It still remains though that drivers should be single file for restart. Didn't they bring that in?? Was it rescinded?? Always remember at Bathurst it is pretty much no weaving and single file from entry to the Chase. It should be the same at every track.... but that would make for boring tv with no scandal right?
That's leading onto the straight and exactly how SVG gained the overlap, as you say, that's a conversation in itself as to whether it should be single file to the control line.
Anton then lifted again - which is where all this kerfuffle has come about.
Quote from: djr18fan on November 09, 2021, 04:04:34 PM
ADP, with 45% throttle percentage, may have stopped accelerating. He may have been decelerating.
Has SVG ever deliberately slowed to cause a competitor to receive a penalty at a restart?
Those that said SVG had been SVG'd must think so. Yet think ADP doing the same is OK?
I said it metaphorically.
SVG hasn't done this specific action, however he's always on edge around SC restarts. Sometimes even playing silly buggers banging it off doors ala McLaughlin here a few years back too.
SVG is cunning, it seems Anton is too. Racers.
Has anyone in officials land made a complaint about the whole thing? are we getting worked up about nothing?
Only talking point should the ability to rescind a black flag, what happens now, a] teams now have the ability to challenge immediately the call? b] black flags are not issued during the race but post race after review of Tech?
Seems to me if a can or worms has been cracked open, has the lid came right off? or is it being jammed shut?
I wasn't going to comment on this as sometimes I find it easier to stay out of controversial topics such as this, but feel as though I need to put my two cents in. I will start from the moment the safety car lights were turned off.
- You are allowed to overlap from the apex of the last corner. This is the reason you don't see it much as places such as Bathurst, as the run from the apex of the last corner to the control line is quite short, therefore Shane has done nothing wrong here.
- Anton has slowed the car by reducing the throttle as they are coming towards the control line. I want to make it clear, Anton has done absolutely nothing wrong by doing this. This is not a breach of regulation, therefore deserves no penalty. If it was done intentionally, I say good on him for being a bit cheeky.
- Because Anton has slowed the car, Shane has gone past before the control line. This is still not an offense as in Shane's mind, he would have seen this as the car having a problem, something he is legally allowed to do as per article below:
Quote10.2.12.3 Overtaking of another Car is not permitted, unless a Car slows with an obvious
problem.
Some may argue "he was still at 45%". At 200km/h, 45% throttle won't keep the car accelerating. At best it will maintain speed.
- Due to Shane firing off the road at Turn 1 (this had nothing to do with not backing off at the control line, as Will Davsion didn't go off, nor did Anton, who actually re-accelerated after lifting off), there was no opportunity for Shane to re-address the situation, something that probably would have been required, or he may have done himself after realising there was no issue with Anton's car.
In summary of my above points, neither drive actually did anything wrong. I know it is controversial for the PLP to be overturned, but I believe they would have done the same with any other driver. Remember, they overturned the penalty for Nick Percat at Darwin and instead imposed a team penalty instead. The conspiracy that its only because it was Red Bull is laughable. At the end of the day, it was because it was Red Bull, only for the fact they are one of the smartest teams in pit lane and know how to argue a point and what point to argue. It was obviously enough for the stewards of the meeting to look into it and realise there was a cause for argument.
Now, because I am stubborn, you can try and counter some of my points above, but it won't change my mind as I know I am right ;)
Quote from: kennymiesta on November 09, 2021, 09:08:23 PM
I wasn't going to comment on this as sometimes I find it easier to stay out of controversial topics such as this, but feel as though I need to put my two cents in. I will start from the moment the safety car lights were turned off.
- You are allowed to overlap from the apex of the last corner. This is the reason you don't see it much as places such as Bathurst, as the run from the apex of the last corner to the control line is quite short, therefore Shane has done nothing wrong here.
- Anton has slowed the car by reducing the throttle as they are coming towards the control line. I want to make it clear, Anton has done absolutely nothing wrong by doing this. This is not a breach of regulation, therefore deserves no penalty. If it was done intentionally, I say good on him for being a bit cheeky.
- Because Anton has slowed the car, Shane has gone past before the control line. This is still not an offense as in Shane's mind, he would have seen this as the car having a problem, something he is legally allowed to do as per article below:
Quote10.2.12.3 Overtaking of another Car is not permitted, unless a Car slows with an obvious
problem.
Some may argue "he was still at 45%". At 200km/h, 45% throttle won't keep the car accelerating. At best it will maintain speed.
- Due to Shane firing off the road at Turn 1 (this had nothing to do with not backing off at the control line, as Will Davsion didn't go off, nor did Anton, who actually re-accelerated after lifting off), there was no opportunity for Shane to re-address the situation, something that probably would have been required, or he may have done himself after realising there was no issue with Anton's car.
In summary of my above points, neither drive actually did anything wrong. I know it is controversial for the PLP to be overturned, but I believe they would have done the same with any other driver. Remember, they overturned the penalty for Nick Percat at Darwin and instead imposed a team penalty instead. The conspiracy that its only because it was Red Bull is laughable. At the end of the day, it was because it was Red Bull, only for the fact they are one of the smartest teams in pit lane and know how to argue a point and what point to argue. It was obviously enough for the stewards of the meeting to look into it and realise there was a cause for argument.
Now, because I am stubborn, you can try and counter some of my points above, but it won't change my mind as I know I am right ;)
Great summary and agree 100%. Good to see some common sense in a sea of nonsense.
Sensible posts like that kill threads. So in an effort to keep the argument going. What if Anton backed off because he was aquaplaning and not wheel spinning? ;)
I'll keep it going, Albert.
What would the thread be like if we were talking about Scotty instead of Anton?
Quote from: the undertaker on November 10, 2021, 07:37:57 AM
I'll keep it going, Albert.
What would the thread be like if we were talking about Scotty instead of Anton?
Gidday ol mate!! Nice to see you...
Re your question- on here.....not much different, on social media...dead set flame war....
Quote from: kennymiesta on November 09, 2021, 09:08:23 PM
- Anton has slowed the car by reducing the throttle. I want to make it clear, Anton has done absolutely nothing wrong by doing this.
- This is still not an offense as in Shane's mind
- there was no opportunity for Shane to re-address the situation,
Now, because I am stubborn, you can try and counter some of my points above, but it won't change my mind as I know I am right ;)
will need to see the SC rules on the bits I left above...
Anton slowing - the rule as I understood it was that you MUST maintain a 5 car gap... so that would mean that Anton has done something wrong.
Whatever may be happening in Shane's mind is completely irrelevant.
completely irrelevant, the whole 'redress' thing is a farce and a negative on the sport
as to the reversal, that can be argued that either race control screwed it up royally at the start by issuing the penalty or they screwed up royally with the reversal.
and nothing wrong with being stubborn! :D
The safety car rules also say:
Quote10.2.12 From the time that the green flags are displayed until the Car crosses the Control Line:
10.2.12.1 The Driver is required to either accelerate or maintain the prescribed speed ± 5km/h;
By my reading that disallows any decelerating before the control line. The driver would need to have a legitimate excuse for reducing speed before the control line, such as the standing water hazard in Anton's case.
With the +/- 5kmh that gives a total possible difference of 10kph.
What is a driver supposed to do if he's almost +5kmh going downhill to a start line?
Does he just keep going and cop a penalty or does he ease off on the accelerator?
If he eases off even down to +/- 0 is that counted as decelerating or just part of maintaining speed at the +/- 5kmh?
Quote from: Bloopy on November 10, 2021, 12:00:42 PM
The safety car rules also say:
Quote10.2.12 From the time that the green flags are displayed until the Car crosses the Control Line:
10.2.12.1 The Driver is required to either accelerate or maintain the prescribed speed ± 5km/h;
By my reading that disallows any decelerating before the control line. The driver would need to have a legitimate excuse for reducing speed before the control line, such as the standing water hazard in Anton's case.
What's the prescribed speed?
Quote from: djr18fan on November 10, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: Bloopy on November 10, 2021, 12:00:42 PM
The safety car rules also say:
Quote10.2.12 From the time that the green flags are displayed until the Car crosses the Control Line:
10.2.12.1 The Driver is required to either accelerate or maintain the prescribed speed ± 5km/h;
By my reading that disallows any decelerating before the control line. The driver would need to have a legitimate excuse for reducing speed before the control line, such as the standing water hazard in Anton's case.
What's the prescribed speed?
Would need to confirm with the regs but my memory is telling me it is 80k until the leader decides to go.
Quote from: Sonic on November 10, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
Quote from: djr18fan on November 10, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: Bloopy on November 10, 2021, 12:00:42 PM
The safety car rules also say:
Quote10.2.12 From the time that the green flags are displayed until the Car crosses the Control Line:
10.2.12.1 The Driver is required to either accelerate or maintain the prescribed speed ± 5km/h;
By my reading that disallows any decelerating before the control line. The driver would need to have a legitimate excuse for reducing speed before the control line, such as the standing water hazard in Anton's case.
What's the prescribed speed?
Would need to confirm with the regs but my memory is telling me it is 80k until the leader decides to go.
i have a feeling that there is also a stipulation that a driver maintain a maximum distance behind the car in front. As I recollect, drivers have been pinged for falling back. Not that I am suggesting that this rule had a bearing on this incident.
It appears, in the paid experts opinions, that both drivers ended up escaping a penalty, based on precedents, because the track was so wet and vision was limited.
After watching the races last night, the ZB really looks to be the thing to have in the wet....we even saw this with Scotty at Bathurst last year....
Quote from: REM on November 11, 2021, 07:01:28 AM
After watching the races last night, the ZB really looks to be the thing to have in the wet....we even saw this with Scotty at Bathurst last year....
The DJR cars were cruising in second and third behind Whincup, who had the benefit of clear vision all race, before Will lost out on strategy and in the battle for third. Anton had half a second on the field in the first wet qualifying session.
Bathurst last year proves nothing. McLaughlin's car was evil in those mixed conditions, not only did he lose out to SVG but he was also passed by Waters and Coulthard. SVG is a genius in conditions like that and simply outdrove everyone else in those couple of laps. Remember that they did not switch to wet tyres but braved it out on slicks.
In Bathurst qualifying in 2019, when it was properly wet, McLaughlin put 1.5 seconds on the nearest ZB. At Tailem Bend this year, Heimgartner gapped the field by 10 seconds in the rain. Meanwhile, SVG gapped everyone at Sandown and Whincup did the same on the weekend. It all comes down to who nails the car setup and the driving on the day. Take the Kellys for example; their cars tended to be rockets in the rain, whether they were in the VE, the Nissan or now the Mustang.
Interesting counter points.....I thought Scotty ran less wing at Bathurst....hence the lack of rear grip?
Quote from: djr18fan on November 10, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: Bloopy on November 10, 2021, 12:00:42 PM
The safety car rules also say:
Quote10.2.12 From the time that the green flags are displayed until the Car crosses the Control Line:
10.2.12.1 The Driver is required to either accelerate or maintain the prescribed speed ± 5km/h;
By my reading that disallows any decelerating before the control line. The driver would need to have a legitimate excuse for reducing speed before the control line, such as the standing water hazard in Anton's case.
What's the prescribed speed?
The speed the Safety Car was going in preparation for exiting the track.
10.2.9 In preparation for the end of the SC deployment, the SC will:
10.2.9.1 Set the prescribed speed as instructed by the RD on the RMC;
Quote from: Kytabu on November 11, 2021, 07:34:47 AM
Quote from: REM on November 11, 2021, 07:01:28 AM
After watching the races last night, the ZB really looks to be the thing to have in the wet....we even saw this with Scotty at Bathurst last year....
The DJR cars were cruising in second and third behind Whincup, who had the benefit of clear vision all race, before Will lost out on strategy and in the battle for third. Anton had half a second on the field in the first wet qualifying session.
Yeah it really didn't take more than looking at an event less than a week ago to debunk that silly myth. It's frustrating how easy it is to be ignorantly biased in the face of all evidence and somehow gain support with such views everywhere "cough speedcafe".
I can't wait for us to be told relentlessly how Ford will be cobbled and unfiarly treated with Gen 3.
Quote from: Ospif1 on November 11, 2021, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: Kytabu on November 11, 2021, 07:34:47 AM
Quote from: REM on November 11, 2021, 07:01:28 AM
After watching the races last night, the ZB really looks to be the thing to have in the wet....we even saw this with Scotty at Bathurst last year....
The DJR cars were cruising in second and third behind Whincup, who had the benefit of clear vision all race, before Will lost out on strategy and in the battle for third. Anton had half a second on the field in the first wet qualifying session.
Yeah it really didn't take more than looking at an event less than a week ago to debunk that silly myth. It's frustrating how easy it is to be ignorantly biased in the face of all evidence and somehow gain support with such views everywhere "cough speedcafe".
I can't wait for us to be told relentlessly how Ford will be cobbled and unfiarly treated with Gen 3.
Yeah well, I am just glad that 2 of the three A grade ZB's screwed up.....if SVG and Mostert started and kept at the front.....we wouldn't haven't
seen which way the three of them went.....
Speaking of evidence, I recall earlier in the year, the ZB triggered the parity marker at 3 rounds(they weren't consecutive though)....they decided not to count one of the rounds, because it was wet(the mind boggles)! Was that the Sandown round?...I might need to dig it up....
Quote from: REM on November 12, 2021, 07:10:36 AM
Quote from: Ospif1 on November 11, 2021, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: Kytabu on November 11, 2021, 07:34:47 AM
Quote from: REM on November 11, 2021, 07:01:28 AM
After watching the races last night, the ZB really looks to be the thing to have in the wet....we even saw this with Scotty at Bathurst last year....
The DJR cars were cruising in second and third behind Whincup, who had the benefit of clear vision all race, before Will lost out on strategy and in the battle for third. Anton had half a second on the field in the first wet qualifying session.
Yeah it really didn't take more than looking at an event less than a week ago to debunk that silly myth. It's frustrating how easy it is to be ignorantly biased in the face of all evidence and somehow gain support with such views everywhere "cough speedcafe".
I can't wait for us to be told relentlessly how Ford will be cobbled and unfiarly treated with Gen 3.
Yeah well, I am just glad that 2 of the three A grade ZB's screwed up.....if SVG and Mostert started and kept at the front.....we wouldn't haven't
seen which way the three of them went.....
Speaking of evidence, I recall earlier in the year, the ZB triggered the parity marker at 3 rounds(they weren't consecutive though)....they decided not to count one of the rounds, because it was wet(the mind boggles)! Was that the Sandown round?...I might need to dig it up....
Sandown was wet (I spent most of the day out in it shooting)
More of the same so far today with ADP being the absolute front runner and the others doing their best to not be too far behind.
With the form Erebus are showing, there's now 3 teams at the front.
Will Brown would be getting used to having at least one bad pit stop a weekend.
Quote from: skaifeman on November 13, 2021, 05:44:59 PM
Will Brown would be getting used to having at least one bad pit stop a weekend.
Fortunately today I don't think it made a difference.
He was never going to catch SVG let alone ADP.
It was a good pass on Whincup!
I really liked the move ADP put on both Red Bull cars coming out of Turn 8. Really smart driving. He is setting up nicely for next year. I know it's hard to judge form racing at the same circuit every week but I think he found his feet with DJR at Tailem Bend and has been strong since then, albeit unlucky in several races.
Quote from: Kytabu on November 14, 2021, 08:36:52 AM
I really liked the move ADP put on both Red Bull cars coming out of Turn 8. Really smart driving. He is setting up nicely for next year. I know it's hard to judge form racing at the same circuit every week but I think he found his feet with DJR at Tailem Bend and has been strong since then, albeit unlucky in several races.
I realise it's full of ifs and buts but if not for those glitches it would probably be a very close battle with SVG for the title.
Quote from: LG on November 14, 2021, 08:51:39 AM
Quote from: Kytabu on November 14, 2021, 08:36:52 AM
I really liked the move ADP put on both Red Bull cars coming out of Turn 8. Really smart driving. He is setting up nicely for next year. I know it's hard to judge form racing at the same circuit every week but I think he found his feet with DJR at Tailem Bend and has been strong since then, albeit unlucky in several races.
I realise it's full of ifs and buts but if not for those glitches it would probably be a very close battle with SVG for the title.
He has done an amazing job this year, he'll be toe to toe with Giz next season, let's hope Browns up there and Tickford engineer the speed back into Waters car they seem to tune out every season.
Quote from: Troy01505 on November 14, 2021, 09:36:12 AM
Quote from: LG on November 14, 2021, 08:51:39 AM
Quote from: Kytabu on November 14, 2021, 08:36:52 AM
I really liked the move ADP put on both Red Bull cars coming out of Turn 8. Really smart driving. He is setting up nicely for next year. I know it's hard to judge form racing at the same circuit every week but I think he found his feet with DJR at Tailem Bend and has been strong since then, albeit unlucky in several races.
I realise it's full of ifs and buts but if not for those glitches it would probably be a very close battle with SVG for the title.
He has done an amazing job this year, he'll be toe to toe with Giz next season, let's hope Browns up there and Tickford engineer the speed back into Waters car they seem to tune out every season.
Tickford and WAU really need to step up.....hard to believe Tickford actually put points on WAU yesterday in the teams championship....(about 5 by my count). The needle games from T8 shows they know DJR are building....which is good for the series!
It seems DJR were so paranoid about losing the 1-2 due to a double stack they've thrown away the 1-2 anyway by pitting WD too early
Will Brown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fantastic race.
That was a pretty big ball drop from 888
Great effort by Will today, loving his passion and enthusiasm - and his obvious talent.
great to see Will's enthusiasm, and congrats on his first win.
The best part of that race though was watching T8 squabble amongst themselves. I don't agree with them though that they threw away a 1-2, they still had to get past Will sand there were no guarantees that they would have one that Cleanly.
By my calculations it's the first round win decided by fastest lap points - ADP won by 2 points over both SVG and JW thanks to his two fastest laps.
Quote from: SetonFan on November 14, 2021, 08:16:50 PM
By my calculations it's the first round win decided by fastest lap points - ADP won by 2 points over both SVG and JW thanks to his two fastest laps.
With SVG and JW tied behind him.
Quote from: LG on November 14, 2021, 08:51:39 AM
Quote from: Kytabu on November 14, 2021, 08:36:52 AM
I really liked the move ADP put on both Red Bull cars coming out of Turn 8. Really smart driving. He is setting up nicely for next year. I know it's hard to judge form racing at the same circuit every week but I think he found his feet with DJR at Tailem Bend and has been strong since then, albeit unlucky in several races.
I realise it's full of ifs and buts but if not for those glitches it would probably be a very close battle with SVG for the title.
I've been calling it all year that Anton will be the one to beat next year.
Jamie finally decided that he wasn't going to sidestep for SVG. He's been given the rough strategy pretty well all the SMP events so far, he decided that he was of equal shot for the win this time around.
Likely a little reminder to all at 888 that he's no going to fade out, timely with Bathurst around the corner. Good to see the old dog still has bite!
How good is Will Brown, a proper character. Had to laugh at Barry sending a little jab to 888, was so unneccesary, but a good laugh nonetheless.
A great first win for Will Brown. You could feel his excitment.
Kudos to Whincups ego aswell.
Quote from: AlbertM on November 14, 2021, 11:43:39 PM
A great first win for Will Brown. You could feel his excitment.
Kudos to Whincups ego aswell.
Who? We need more drivers gunning for a win.
Brown is a driver that is going to piss DJR and triple 8 in the near future. He'd be a genuine championship contender next year in one of their cars.
Quote from: Troy01505 on November 15, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
Who? We need more drivers gunning for a win.
QuoteKudos is a noun that means "praise, honor, or acclaim.
Hugely entertaining seeing Jamie decide he'd had enough of letting Giz past easily in that last race. If he'd let Giz by there was a good chance he could've followed him through on a pass on Brown and still got 2nd. So perhaps he wasn't thinking about the race as much as his points relative to Giz and trying to get back to an outside chance at the championship.
A bit odd to hear the commentators call Ludo a magician with tyres while Anton was going backwards in the race because he'd used them up a bit much in protecting the earlier wins.
Quote from: Bloopy on November 15, 2021, 11:36:58 PM
Hugely entertaining seeing Jamie decide he'd had enough of letting Giz past easily in that last race. If he'd let Giz by there was a good chance he could've followed him through on a pass on Brown and still got 2nd. So perhaps he wasn't thinking about the race as much as his points relative to Giz and trying to get back to an outside chance at the championship.
A bit odd to hear the commentators call Ludo a magician with tyres while Anton was going backwards in the race because he'd used them up a bit much in protecting the earlier wins.
Ludo is probably the best in pit lane but have to agree. I think the tyre wear was slightly harsher then previous weekends but overall still a great weekend for the team.
I love Jdub when he has the mindset to win, yes he runs out of fuel or gets the odd penalty here and there but it's very entertaining. Giz would've been pissed but could've sat in behind and pushed Jdub harder and probably still got the one-two but thank **** he didn't.
I noticed also the last race that Davo was easily passed once a car had a crack, was this due to tyres?
Ludo made the decision to run the 4 tyres in the first two races, T8 ran 2 &3 I think...DJR ran for the wins from pole....made sense, most race wins and they ultimately won the weekend....
I think a few others could learn from how JW raced SVG on the Sunday too.....get into him and give back what he dishes out for gawdsake!
A little change-up this weekend: Two 64 lap races to end the SMP quadruple.
Daffy is back for this weekend: -
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/supercars-star-makes-shock-early-return/ar-AAQPYag?cvid=c596fd105db34d12f90e947e2b273fcc&ocid=winp1taskbar
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on November 18, 2021, 11:01:58 AM
A little change-up this weekend: Two 64 lap races to end the SMP quadruple.
Word is wet for both days, and very, very wet for Sunday....
In case anyone else has trouble looking up the schedule or anything, I had to do a hard refresh (ctrl-F5) of the Supercars.com main page to see it. Not sure what happened there.
Quote from: Bloopy on November 19, 2021, 12:37:30 PM
In case anyone else has trouble looking up the schedule or anything, I had to do a hard refresh (ctrl-F5) of the Supercars.com main page to see it. Not sure what happened there.
SC seems to make it hard to find their track schedule. Should always be on the front page of the event details I would have thought?!
It's on the home page. I find supercars.com one of the best sites to find what I want. The home page comes up instantly, across the top is a bar with all the links such as : NEWS, CALENDAR, RESULTS, TV SCHEDULE etc. I click on 'TV SCHEDULE' and there it is: 'SYDNEY' (for me), then (for example): 'FRIDAY 19TH NOVEMBER', where everything is listed with times. Currently, we have '18.40 - 19.10 Dunlop Super 2 Series, Practice 2, 30 minutes'. It lists the times for Foxtel, Kayo and 'Free to air' (when there is free to air), and I've never had the slightest problem. I don't know how it could be improved.
Quote from: drivexby on November 18, 2021, 02:24:22 PM
Daffy is back for this weekend: -
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/supercars-star-makes-shock-early-return/ar-AAQPYag?cvid=c596fd105db34d12f90e947e2b273fcc&ocid=winp1taskbar
Two weeks between Covid injections seems a bit short.
here is an interesting article, but usual warning. Author is James Phelp.
QuoteSupercars driver Dave Reynolds opens up on why he forced to flee amid a vaccination scandal
EXCLUSIVE
JAMES PHELPS
NEWS CORP AUSTRALIA SPORTS NEWSROOM
AN HOUR AGO NOVEMBER 19, 2021
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Dave Reynolds has broken his silence on the revoked vaccination exemption that saw him ejected from NSW after he raced in the first instalment of the Sydney Super Night without being vaccinated against the coronavirus.
In an exclusive interview ahead of his V8 return, the Ford flyer has spoken about the embarrassment of being evicted from NSW after a previously approved exemption to race in NSW was revoked.
Despite abiding by all NSW Health directives, Reynolds was subjected to claims of wrong doing after it was revealed that he had raced at Sydney Motorsport Park (SMP) without being double vaxxed.
There were suggestions that he had snuck into SMP in the back of a truck.
"I felt a little bit (like a criminal)," Reynolds said.
Dave Reynolds says the whole episode has made him more motivated than ever.
"There were some really funny rumours getting around. No one knew anything that was going on except for myself and the Health Department and all the rumours were fabrications. No one had any idea of the reality."
While not willing to disclose the medical condition, Reynolds said he was approved to race in the first Sydney Super Night despite being unvaccinated against Covid.
"I got an exemption from my doctor because of a health concern and that went through to Victoria Health, Supercars and NSW Health," Reynolds said.
"It was all approved and I was given permission to both travel and race."
Reynolds first became aware of a problem just hours before the season-resuming race on October 30.
"I was told that there was an issue on the Saturday," Reynolds said.
"It was a technicality and they challenged me on it. I had to speak to a doctor and after that they decided to revoke my exemption."
Reynolds was allowed to finish his race weekend after agreeing to a series of conditions.
"I was isolated from everyone," Reynolds said.
"Including my team. I did all my correspondence by zoom and by way of phone and was kept isolated in a trailer of the truck whenever I was not in the car. I was also tested every day."
Reynolds admitted he struggled with the decision that put the remainder of his V8 season in doubt.
Dave Reynolds says being sidelined and watching on television was a hard pill to swallow.
"It was tough," Reynolds said. "A hard pill to swallow. I had been planning on being on the road for four weeks having good times with my boys and I was told I would have to drive back to Melbourne and watch it on the TV.
"It was tough watching on it the TV. I saw my car and thought I should have been in it."
Reynolds had his first vaccination in Sydney before travelling back to Melbourne.
"I went and started the program straight away once I learned I would need to be vaccinated to continue racing," Reynolds said.
"I followed the health guidelines that were set. I was willing to do anything that was required to get back racing as quick as I could."
Cleared of any wrong doing by a CAMS investigation, Reynolds was given the green light to race in this weekend's Sydney Super Night after receiving his second hit.
"A little flame starting burning inside when I was watching it on TV," Reynolds said.
"It was a big motivation and if anything, I am more motivated than ever. I want to prove that I belong here and prove that I am still a man to beat."
Reynolds set for racing return after vaccine drama
Dave Reynolds' V8 exodus is over with the Bathurst winning driver set to return to racing this weekend.
Reynolds, who was extradited from NSW two weeks ago after a medical exemption to race unvaccinated was revoked, was cleared to race after receiving his second vaccination on Wednesday.
Reynolds will replace stand-in Luke Youlden for both the Sydney SuperNight and the Bathurst 1000.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/motorsport/braking-news-supercars-ceo-sean-seamer-could-be-axed-following-ownership-shakeup/news-story/52d9aa8c7ca8ad64d0e8136c66503869
Quote from: Zac on November 19, 2021, 06:36:05 PM
It's on the home page. I find supercars.com one of the best sites to find what I want. The home page comes up instantly, across the top is a bar with all the links such as : NEWS, CALENDAR, RESULTS, TV SCHEDULE etc. I click on 'TV SCHEDULE' and there it is: 'SYDNEY' (for me), then (for example): 'FRIDAY 19TH NOVEMBER', where everything is listed with times. Currently, we have '18.40 - 19.10 Dunlop Super 2 Series, Practice 2, 30 minutes'. It lists the times for Foxtel, Kayo and 'Free to air' (when there is free to air), and I've never had the slightest problem. I don't know how it could be improved.
It could be improved because the track schedule is not the same as the tv schedule.Today for example there were 3 practice sessions for different categories before the telecast started.
Also they always and I mean always change the start times on 1 day about 2 days before the meeting starts.For example this Sunday all 9 events had their start times moved forward a few days back.This happens nearly every round.Every other race organiser in Australia can manage to get this right.Why not the "professionals"?
You're right, of course. It could be improved on, but we were talking about finding the track schedule on the Supercars site, and I had/have no issues finding it. Did you find out the times for those 3 practice sessions that happened prior to the 7 hour telecast today? Maybe you already knew. I tried by going to the SMP website and also the ARDC. The SMP website takes you to the Supercars website, and the ARDC had nothing at all. I can live with that. We've got over 23 hours of telecast this weekend all listed on the Supercars site, and even though I follow many categories of motorsport, I don't have the need (or the time) to find out about what practice was happening prior to today's practice day. There's over 16 hours of TV to go on the actual race weekend, and that's more than enough for me, and it's all listed on the website. IMHO, the website (and the telecast) beats anything any other race organisers have got happening - even with all those faults you mentioned.
I'm sure we can agree though, the website and the TV coverage is an improvement on those 1 hour 'highlight' packages we used to get at some silly time on the night after the day's racing.
Quote from: Zac on November 19, 2021, 06:36:05 PM
It's on the home page. I find supercars.com one of the best sites to find what I want. The home page comes up instantly, across the top is a bar with all the links such as : NEWS, CALENDAR, RESULTS, TV SCHEDULE etc. I click on 'TV SCHEDULE' and there it is: 'SYDNEY' (for me), then (for example): 'FRIDAY 19TH NOVEMBER', where everything is listed with times. Currently, we have '18.40 - 19.10 Dunlop Super 2 Series, Practice 2, 30 minutes'. It lists the times for Foxtel, Kayo and 'Free to air' (when there is free to air), and I've never had the slightest problem. I don't know how it could be improved.
no interest in the TV schedule Zac, it is the track schedule I am interested in knowing about and it always seems to be hidden somewhere stupid and I end up finding it on someone else's site
Quote from: Sonic on November 19, 2021, 08:39:33 PM
Quote from: Zac on November 19, 2021, 06:36:05 PM
It's on the home page. I find supercars.com one of the best sites to find what I want. The home page comes up instantly, across the top is a bar with all the links such as : NEWS, CALENDAR, RESULTS, TV SCHEDULE etc. I click on 'TV SCHEDULE' and there it is: 'SYDNEY' (for me), then (for example): 'FRIDAY 19TH NOVEMBER', where everything is listed with times. Currently, we have '18.40 - 19.10 Dunlop Super 2 Series, Practice 2, 30 minutes'. It lists the times for Foxtel, Kayo and 'Free to air' (when there is free to air), and I've never had the slightest problem. I don't know how it could be improved.
no interest in the TV schedule Zac, it is the track schedule I am interested in knowing about and it always seems to be hidden somewhere stupid and I end up finding it on someone else's site
It's literally on the main page of their website.....
RHS, "Next Event" Bar and at the bottom of that is "View Full Schedule"
I actually find the Supercars website one of the easier ones to use....
Menu bars are completely different on the mobile version of the supercars site.
"Optimising" for viewing on a phone makes the track schedule harder to find.
Quote from: Sonic on November 19, 2021, 08:39:33 PM
no interest in the TV schedule Zac, it is the track schedule I am interested in knowing about
kennymiesta pointed out something I didn't know, so I had a look at both 'TV Schedule' and 'Track Schedule'. If this weekend is a good example, then there is a problem, as they're identical (then the actual Foxtel/Kayo coverage has more than listed in its schedule, as the coverage goes on with 'Inside Line', 'Post Race Show' and replays until midnight) but there's no mention in either schedule of the stuff that Alan mentioned. At least you and Alan seem to be finding the info you want somewhere else, and if you're at the track, then there's those QR posters you can click on, too. It sounds like there is room for Supercars to improve though.
Matt Payne looking very good-https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/11/20/grove-impressed-with-payne-debut/?fbclid=IwAR0lAQBOEMrRnyrEOECxwbLJShBiTGGwA3hO-Ntp8OIEAc-Xr81EURgC-oc
While SVG has a stinker-
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/11/19/van-gisbergen-concerned-after-woeful-smp4-practice/?fbclid=IwAR2UvZ6P4ZTpi73MyYpjl9iZhuzUs5565fvpAMWs_gWfAcgzqFPf0eut1ro
While it would be great to see Shane have a shocker and the contest go to Bathurst, in all likelihood they will sort and he will win both races in the rain......one can hope though! :)
Quote from: REM on November 20, 2021, 07:25:06 AM
Matt Payne looking very good-https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/11/20/grove-impressed-with-payne-debut/?fbclid=IwAR0lAQBOEMrRnyrEOECxwbLJShBiTGGwA3hO-Ntp8OIEAc-Xr81EURgC-oc
While SVG has a stinker-
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/11/19/van-gisbergen-concerned-after-woeful-smp4-practice/?fbclid=IwAR2UvZ6P4ZTpi73MyYpjl9iZhuzUs5565fvpAMWs_gWfAcgzqFPf0eut1ro
While it would be great to see Shane have a shocker and the contest go to Bathurst, in all likelihood they will sort and he will win both races in the rain......one can hope though! :)
Let's hope it's wrapped up this weekend. Then he and numbnuts can fight each other properly at Bathurst
Quote from: djr18fan on November 20, 2021, 05:21:16 AM
Menu bars are completely different on the mobile version of the supercars site.
"Optimising" for viewing on a phone makes the track schedule harder to find.
For the mobile site, scroll all the way to the bottom where the points standings are then come back up a little for the schedule.
Impressive start from Payne in both the Super2 and Additional Driver sessions!
Quote from: Zac on November 20, 2021, 06:43:39 AM
Quote from: Sonic on November 19, 2021, 08:39:33 PM
no interest in the TV schedule Zac, it is the track schedule I am interested in knowing about
kennymiesta pointed out something I didn't know, so I had a look at both 'TV Schedule' and 'Track Schedule'. If this weekend is a good example, then there is a problem, as they're identical (then the actual Foxtel/Kayo coverage has more than listed in its schedule, as the coverage goes on with 'Inside Line', 'Post Race Show' and replays until midnight) but there's no mention in either schedule of the stuff that Alan mentioned. At least you and Alan seem to be finding the info you want somewhere else, and if you're at the track, then there's those QR posters you can click on, too. It sounds like there is room for Supercars to improve though.
if the qr code is the way they want to do it why not put it on their website as well for folk who want to check the schedule?
I am sure it is there on the site but, especially once you get to a race weekend, it is one of the first things that I will always check whether that to decide where to be (if I am going to the track) or when to make sure I am in front of the tv if I am at home.
Off topic: Check you PMs, Sonic.
Quote from: Kytabu on November 20, 2021, 08:17:55 AM
Quote from: djr18fan on November 20, 2021, 05:21:16 AM
Menu bars are completely different on the mobile version of the supercars site.
"Optimising" for viewing on a phone makes the track schedule harder to find.
For the mobile site, scroll all the way to the bottom where the points standings are then come back up a little for the schedule.
Impressive start from Payne in both the Super2 and Additional Driver sessions!
Nothing there on mine.
I go menu, TV schedule, (which gives no breakdown of TV times other than broadcast start & finish. Then there's a link to track schedule in the Foxtel text.
There used to be a track schedule that would show in the readers local time, with option to switch to event time zone. I can't find that anymore.
11pm finish tonight. Better than a night race in Perth I guess.
11 pm finish????
neither 7 or Foxtel show show anything after 9.30 and 9.45 respectively. (presumably southern politician adjusted daylight saving time)
Just arrived at the track. Skies don't look too bad at the minute. It's actually quite warm considering it's overcast.
Quote from: Kytabu on November 20, 2021, 11:40:59 AM
Just arrived at the track. Skies don't look too bad at the minute. It's actually quite warm considering it's overcast.
I was planning on going tomorrow, but the threat of rain and possibility of no race if it gets heavy enough... It's not worth the ~2hr drive down and grandstand tickets to shelter from the rain.
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Quote from: TheArrow on November 20, 2021, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Kytabu on November 20, 2021, 11:40:59 AM
Just arrived at the track. Skies don't look too bad at the minute. It's actually quite warm considering it's overcast.
I was planning on going tomorrow, but the threat of rain and possibility of no race if it gets heavy enough... It's not worth the ~2hr drive down and grandstand tickets to shelter from the rain.
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Are they selling grandstand tickets?
When I went on week 2 grandstand entry was free with GA
Quote from: Roadways6 on November 20, 2021, 01:15:46 PM
Quote from: TheArrow on November 20, 2021, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Kytabu on November 20, 2021, 11:40:59 AM
Just arrived at the track. Skies don't look too bad at the minute. It's actually quite warm considering it's overcast.
I was planning on going tomorrow, but the threat of rain and possibility of no race if it gets heavy enough... It's not worth the ~2hr drive down and grandstand tickets to shelter from the rain.
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Are they selling grandstand tickets?
When I went on week 2 grandstand entry was free with GA
They had made it free that weekend due to the rain. I checked on Thursday, well after the rain forecast was pretty much locked in, and they still had reserved, unreserved grandstand, and GA as all separate ticket options.
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We can upgrade our GA tickets to grandstand for $30 I think. I don't mind being out in the rain, though ;D.
Quote from: stevo qld on November 20, 2021, 11:37:55 AM
11 pm finish????
He's looking at when the race finishes in NZ time. The actual coverage on NZ TV finishes at 11:55pm though by the looks of it!
Anton still has the fastest car out there but his tyre wear will be far worse than the other brand of cars racing.
Quote from: LG on November 20, 2021, 06:39:34 PM
Anton still has the fastest car out there but his tyre wear will be far worse than the other brand of cars racing.
He certainly has struggled at SMP recently.
I think Kostecki is looking the best here, under the radar of the commentators too.
Very light, misty rain at Turn 1 at the moment. Bloody cold now too.
If the positions stay (roughly) as they are, this would be the first race since race 1 at Hidden Valley 1 last year with a podium not including either a DJR or a Redbull car.
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The rain stole that from Waters and Brown. Well done to Cam for holding his podium!
Quote from: TheArrow on November 20, 2021, 08:41:52 PM
If the positions stay (roughly) as they are, this would be the first race since race 1 at Hidden Valley 1 last year with a podium not including either a DJR or a Redbull car.
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What's the forum version of a commentators curse?
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Good race that
Yes one of the better races at Eastern Creek I can remember - had a lot going on!
Quote from: LG on November 20, 2021, 06:39:34 PM
Anton still has the fastest car out there but his tyre wear will be far worse than the other brand of cars racing.
Interesting observation. Do you consider that there is a particular reason?
Quote from: stevo qld on November 21, 2021, 12:17:23 AM
Quote from: LG on November 20, 2021, 06:39:34 PM
Anton still has the fastest car out there but his tyre wear will be far worse than the other brand of cars racing.
Interesting observation. Do you consider that there is a particular reason?
The aero.
Or their set up
Quote from: LG on November 21, 2021, 06:50:07 AM
Quote from: stevo qld on November 21, 2021, 12:17:23 AM
Quote from: LG on November 20, 2021, 06:39:34 PM
Anton still has the fastest car out there but his tyre wear will be far worse than the other brand of cars racing.
Interesting observation. Do you consider that there is a particular reason?
The aero.
Erebus aero must be worse than the other brand for some reason.
Appears to me the red bull & djr cars were set up for mixed weather conditions. Red bulls start on super softs gave them the early advantage.
It was a pretty good race for the most part. I was really hoping Cameron could hold on to it but those Bulls are strong. Gizzy looks to have it more than settled.
Other than that, Saturday was Shane's 400th sprint race start and Sunday will be Frosty's 500th sprint race start. And Jamie now holds the record for most race podiums.
See what Sunday can bring.
just saw a highlight clip, seems the Sunday wets have bitten a few hard to start the day.
anyone at the track with up to date weather update? some on fb land are suggesting the race may not be run due to weather?
Quote from: Sonic on November 21, 2021, 11:49:42 AM
just saw a highlight clip, seems the Sunday wets have bitten a few hard to start the day.
anyone at the track with up to date weather update? some on fb land are suggesting the race may not be run due to weather?
It's been constant drizzle practically all day. It died down a bit but has started again, I wouldn't call it heavy though. They have raced in worse than this.
Nick Percat wins his first championship shootout after 31 attempts to be the driver with the most attempts before his first win. As a counter Andre has 11 attempts with a best of only 7th.
Rain is probably the heaviest it has been all day now. It will be interesting to see how much racing we get in; it looked a bit dodgy for Super2 in lighter rain.
Ha, it's raining and they're interviewing Fabs, with a Dritimes logo on his visor.
In all seriousness, I know why they've done it, but four rounds at the same track has killed the interest for me.
Can't see this starting again.
SVG can wrap the title up today even if it's not run.
And just like that...Shane van Gisbergen is the 2021 Supercars Champion. Hope he wins Bathurst or no ones going to notice. :)
Quote from: AlbertM on November 21, 2021, 05:17:39 PM
And just like that...Shane van Gisbergen is the 2021 Supercars Champion. Hope he wins Bathurst or no ones going to notice. :)
No one noticed anyway. The coverage just... ended... even on Foxtel.
He did a couple of parade laps after the race was abandoned. We were on the way out so didn't see if he stopped to do a burnout.
I find it amazing that the NSW Gov backed circuit upgrade, costing $33 or $38 million dollars, did not provide suitable surface drainage camber and run off drains to avoid the rivers of water and standing water that featured on the racing surface today at SMP. :( :o
While we're at it: Sydney Motorsport Park is not in a water catchment area. Mark Winterbottom started that off and Mark Beretta and others accepted it and kept it going. Eastern Creek is next to Prospect Reservoir, but Prospect is a storage reservoir, not a catchment dam. Well, it has some parkland around it, and has a 'catchment' of about 8-10 square kms, but compared to Warragamba Dam which has a catchment area of about 10,000 square kms, Prospect is not a catchment reservoir.
Congrats to Van Gis and 888. Well done.
Dont know about anyone else but I'm finding it harder and harder to maintain interest in this series. It really does need a new direction and a massive clean out including the coverage.
Shame the race got abandoned, I found it very funny however that the drivers were complaing about VHT at the old drag strip particularly Whincup. VHT hasn't been sprayed down there in about 20+ years so not sure where he got that from and the off he had was no where near the old drag strip...
Quote from: Jetpac-013 on November 22, 2021, 07:44:51 AM
Shame the race got abandoned, I found it very funny however that the drivers were complaing about VHT at the old drag strip particularly Whincup. VHT hasn't been sprayed down there in about 20+ years so not sure where he got that from and the off he had was no where near the old drag strip...
It was playing on his mind... :) :) :)
Percat not happy! :(
Wide World of Sports
Bathurst champion slams Sydney Supercars fiasco
WWOS staff 2 hrs ago
The decision by Supercars to abandon last night's race at Sydney Motorsport Park has been slammed by the man who would have started from pole position, Nick Percat.
The former Bathurst 1000 champion had qualified fasted for race 30 of the series, which was abandoned completely after the cars completed a handful of laps behind the safety car.
Sydney's wet weather was behind the decision to throw the red-flag, but Percat said the call, which was also made last month at the same track, was wrong, explaining that the rain was a similar intensity during qualifying earlier in the day.
"The track condition was not much different to what we drove in the shootout, to be honest," he told speedcafe.com.
https://twitter.com/NickPercat/status/1462314113892110336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
"I think Supercars need to have a rethink on how they judge the track conditions because that's now two races in a row where it's wet and they've declared it when I don't think it needed to be declared.
"Like, we didn't even need to have the wipers going full bore, I had mine on intermediate – there wasn't enough rain around and it just kind of was drizzle all day, so it's pretty frustrating."
The earlier Super2 race had been marred by a sizeable crash in the wet conditions, but the Brad Jones Racing driver pointed out that the best drivers in the sport should be able to put on a show for fans.
Nick Percat had pole for the cancelled race 30 of the Supercars season.© Getty Nick Percat had pole for the cancelled race 30 of the Supercars season.
"This weekend we actually had a really good crowd there at Sydney Motorsport Park, which is hard enough as it is, and then to do that to them after they have sat out there in the rain all day is not ideal," he said.
"Supercars and NSW Government and everyone behind the scenes worked so hard to get us to be able to race these four rounds, maybe we need to put as much effort into making sure we actually complete the races.
"I think they might have got spooked watching Super2 and that crash, but honestly it's a bunch of kids who are fresh out of go-karts, so it's not a fair comparison.
"Not once did I get asked by anyone of any sort of officialdom how the track was."
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/bathurst-champion-slams-sydney-supercars-fiasco/ar-AAQY2fe?ocid=msedgntp
Don't forget the only car in front of him was the safety/pace car.
Did anyone ask the blokes towards the rear of the field what they could see?
Frosty seemed happy to can it.
A good point is raised all over social media at the moment.
Apparently the rain was no worse than when they let the Super2's and 86's out (granted they ended pretty poorly), but the best drivers in Australia couldn't risk it.
My bet is a couple of QLD teams pulled their weight as to not bin anything before Bathurst - and that's a fair argument too.
Supercars were stuck between a rock and a hard place with this one, couldn't blame them for going either way.
I think you're on to something Skaifeman. Supercars would want the main games cars in perfect condition for Bathurst. Whincups off would have put given them the Willie's.
Quote from: AlbertM on November 22, 2021, 12:24:51 PM
I think you're on to something Skaifeman. Supercars would want the main games cars in perfect condition for Bathurst. Whincups off would have put given them the Willie's.
I heard that reason mentioned plenty of times during the many interviews, and its valid any QLD team bending a car would be no chance at Bathurst, and if they were forced to race would have expected them to tippy toe around anyway. Nothing to do with whimpy drivers or over cautious officials but car preservation I think .
Supercars should perhaps realise that rain puts on some of the most exciting racing in the category. Whether that means they need a machine to clear standing water or a fuller wet tyre or something else, I dunno.
Supercars are becoming the Oz version of Nascar, first drops of rain and the flag gets waved. Ho hum series this year
They're just going to have to build a covered track or sliding roof like the football and tennis and play inside if it gets wet
maybe Supercars need proper rain tyres.
Kudos to Supercars for doing this:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/11/23/supercars-offers-refund-to-trackside-grandstand-spectators-at-washed-out-smp-race/
The least they could do for those hardy types who sat at SMP waiting for a non-event.
I've seen all kinds of comments about the decision to can the race, but my take on it is that it was the right decision. We could argue at length about whether they could have raced - and yes, they could have, but the correct decision was made. We're a week out from Bathurst, the risk of car damage was extremely high (as previous races showed), and any teams who lost a car, should the almost inevitable happened would have struggled bigtime to get their stuff together for Bathurst, the premier event in the Supercar season. They wouldn't have had time to return to their base and prepare a 100% raceworthy car and regardless of who you support, that wouldn't have been a good way to head into Bathurst. So, we sacrifice one of the many races at SMP to give all teams the chance to regather for Bathurst. We won't all agree, but for mine, it was the right decision.
Quote from: Zac on November 23, 2021, 05:47:18 PM
The least they could do for those hardy types who sat at SMP waiting for a non-event.
I've seen all kinds of comments about the decision to can the race, but my take on it is that it was the right decision. We could argue at length about whether they could have raced - and yes, they could have, but the correct decision was made. We're a week out from Bathurst, the risk of car damage was extremely high (as previous races showed), and any teams who lost a car, should the almost inevitable happened would have struggled bigtime to get their stuff together for Bathurst, the premier event in the Supercar season. They wouldn't have had time to return to their base and prepare a 100% raceworthy car and regardless of who you support, that wouldn't have been a good way to head into Bathurst. So, we sacrifice one of the many races at SMP to give all teams the chance to regather for Bathurst. We won't all agree, but for mine, it was the right decision.
What kind of a look is it for the championship though? So publically canning a points paying event, on live Sunday FTA TV, for a race that happens in two weeks time?
If they are worried about turnaround times, why even schedule a race for that date? There was every chance cars could have been heavily damaged in the dry too.
Has it been noted why Foxtel dropped off the coverage so fast after the red flag? A short interrupted interview with the newly crowned champion, and they're off with no celebration at all
1) Not a good look for the championship, but we are talking about 2021, when many championships and series across many sports had been cut and chopped and modified to fit within COVID restrictions. IMO, the series did well to jam so many races into such a curtailed season.
2) Canning a points-paying event for one that is happening in two weeks time? We are talking about one race of ten races jammed into just over three weeks at the same race track, compared to the Bathurst 1000, the one-off, biggest event in the Supercars calendar and one of Australia's iconic sporting events. (It's also a 9 day turnaround. Closer to one week than two.)
3) Yes, every chance that cars could have been heavily damaged in the dry - but I'd say that looking at what had happened in previous races, both on that day and on previous days in the rain at that track, the chances were many, many times higher on that track as it was on Sunday evening. If it was fine and the track was dry, we wouldn't be discussing this. SMP and the apparent problem with surface water is a subject for another time. Also, as I've already said, these teams are still on the road, with some of them (including the two top teams) without enough time to return to their workshops before Bathurst, and re the championship, that race wouldn't have changed much at all. I feel sorry for the teams looking to gain a position or two, and for the paying spectators who sat and waited for nothing.
4) I have no opinion on Foxtel "dropping off" so fast after the red flag. Probably not much else to show. We'd already had an hour or so of talking heads with everyman and his dog speculating. SVG will still have plenty of coverage and celebrations, I'm sure.
Due to Covid, the series was in bad shape.
All credit to Supercars and the ARDC for putting on three and a half rounds and a few practice days, including co-drivers..
The teams at least go to Bathurst with some racing and tuning under their belt.
i.e. Macauley lunched his new Bathurst Engine at Sydney and not a few laps into the Bathurst race, so that problem and a lot of others are ironed out.
Quote from: stevo qld on November 22, 2021, 10:55:01 PM
maybe Supercars need proper rain tyres.
here is the official reason why they tink not.
QuoteCost and practicality are the driving factors behind Supercars using an "aggressive intermediate" rather than a full wet weather control tyre.
https://au.motorsport.com/v8supercars/news/supercars-no-full-wet-tyre/6808124/
Quote from: stevo qld on November 24, 2021, 04:12:16 PM
Quote from: stevo qld on November 22, 2021, 10:55:01 PM
maybe Supercars need proper rain tyres.
here is the official reason why they tink not.
QuoteCost and practicality are the driving factors behind Supercars using an "aggressive intermediate" rather than a full wet weather control tyre.
https://au.motorsport.com/v8supercars/news/supercars-no-full-wet-tyre/6808124/
Piss poor excuse. It is "Australia's number 1" category with the best drivers in the country!
There are not many motorsport series in the world that have a vehicle build and maintenance cost as high as Supercars, perhaps if they simplified the cars and limited costs for teams searching for the .001 of a second lap time they could invest in proper tyres.
The decision to can the race is just another embarrassing move by Supercars management. As many other fans and professional drivers have stated around the country, we have raced with far less in conditions much worse. Protecting cars for Bathurst is just a bull**** excuse, drivers drive to consigns and other classes earlier that same day ran with less talented drivers and equipment of much less ability then Supercars.