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Title: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 13, 2021, 04:42:48 PM
Might as well kick it off  :(
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 13, 2021, 04:44:49 PM
Well, what a great socialist budget
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: vipernz on May 13, 2021, 04:57:50 PM
Ok, before you get 40 pages deep, yeah I remember the last effort on the old Forum... lol

What is the difference in layman's terms for us foreign folk. I haven't really got the gist of who is who in the Aussie sandpit. Might help better understand what you lot are going on about... (maybe)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 13, 2021, 05:07:33 PM
Ok, before you get 40 pages deep, yeah I remember the last effort on the old Forum... lol

What is the difference in layman's terms for us foreign folk. I haven't really got the gist of who is who in the Aussie sandpit. Might help better understand what you lot are going on about... (maybe)
.

Our Labor Party (ALP) is the same as your Labour Pary with Jacinta, the ALP leader is currently Anthony Albense (Albo)

Our Liberal Party (LP) is the current Government and is led by Scott Morrison, our current Prime Minister (aka ScoMo or Scotty from Marketing)

The National Party (NP) has had several names, they are in a coalition relationship with the LP, so they are in Government at the moment as well, they are 'supposed' to represent the interests of regional and remote Australians,who cares who they are led by, although he is Deputy Prime Minister

The Greens are the same as your Greens and no-one cares about them - they are irrelevant LOL
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 13, 2021, 06:51:36 PM
Ok, before you get 40 pages deep, yeah I remember the last effort on the old Forum... lol

What is the difference in layman's terms for us foreign folk. I haven't really got the gist of who is who in the Aussie sandpit. Might help better understand what you lot are going on about... (maybe)

they are identical, just go about robbing you blind in different fashion is all :)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Tickford8 on May 13, 2021, 07:08:03 PM
Ok, before you get 40 pages deep, yeah I remember the last effort on the old Forum... lol

What is the difference in layman's terms for us foreign folk. I haven't really got the gist of who is who in the Aussie sandpit. Might help better understand what you lot are going on about... (maybe)
.

Our Labor Party (ALP) is the same as your Labour Pary with Jacinta, the ALP leader is currently Anthony Albense (Albo)

Our Liberal Party (LP) is the current Government and is led by Scott Morrison, our current Prime Minister (aka ScoMo or Scotty from Marketing)

The National Party (NP) has had several names, they are in a coalition relationship with the LP, so they are in Government at the moment as well, they are 'supposed' to represent the interests of regional and remote Australians,who cares who they are led by, although he is Deputy Prime Minister

The Greens are the same as your Greens and no-one cares about them - they are irrelevant LOL
Arent the Greens and Labor a coalition??  :)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 13, 2021, 07:37:46 PM
Ok, before you get 40 pages deep, yeah I remember the last effort on the old Forum... lol

What is the difference in layman's terms for us foreign folk. I haven't really got the gist of who is who in the Aussie sandpit. Might help better understand what you lot are going on about... (maybe)
.

Our Labor Party (ALP) is the same as your Labour Pary with Jacinta, the ALP leader is currently Anthony Albense (Albo)

Our Liberal Party (LP) is the current Government and is led by Scott Morrison, our current Prime Minister (aka ScoMo or Scotty from Marketing)

The National Party (NP) has had several names, they are in a coalition relationship with the LP, so they are in Government at the moment as well, they are 'supposed' to represent the interests of regional and remote Australians,who cares who they are led by, although he is Deputy Prime Minister

The Greens are the same as your Greens and no-one cares about them - they are irrelevant LOL
Arent the Greens and Labor a coalition??  :)

there will be no coalition under the government I lead... ;) :P LOL
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 13, 2021, 10:11:01 PM
there will be no coalition under the government I lead... ;) :P LOL

OMG, can you tell me how many Greens were in the Lower House when that was said?  Remember the Lower House is where the Government sits, where it has control
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 14, 2021, 04:46:57 PM
there will be no coalition under the government I lead... ;) :P LOL

OMG, can you tell me how many Greens were in the Lower House when that was said?  Remember the Lower House is where the Government sits, where it has control

So who introduced and approved it in the lower house then if it wasn't the gov that she 'led'? Bottom line remains that she was the one in the top seat at the time and bears responsibility for it!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 14, 2021, 05:15:00 PM
Answer the question. How many Greens made up this alleged 'coalition' in the Lower House?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 14, 2021, 08:03:47 PM
Answer the question. How many Greens made up this alleged 'coalition' in the Lower House?

First up, I never said Greens anywhere. That is an assumption on your part Trev.

Next, google isn't very forthcoming in an answer to your question but from your tone I imagine you have an answer?

Julia made a deal with the devil (whoever they may have been) to form a minority government. That means she made a coalition government.

As simple as that.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 14, 2021, 10:08:24 PM
the answer is ONE - the Greens made a big song and dance about it, the right media, fed by the Libs picked up on it and ran with it

One Google search and I go it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Australian_federal_election

Quote
The 2010 Australian federal election was held on Saturday, 21 August 2010 to elect members of the 43rd Parliament of Australia. The incumbent centre-left Australian Labor Party led by Prime Minister Julia Gillard won a second term against the opposition centre-right Liberal Party of Australia led by Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and Coalition partner the National Party of Australia, led by Warren Truss, after Labor formed a minority government with the support of three independent MPs and one Australian Greens MP

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 14, 2021, 10:11:04 PM
First up, I never said Greens anywhere. That is an assumption on your part Trev.

the inference was there from the previous post, and to be truthful I actually thought the previous post was yours
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 14, 2021, 10:18:13 PM
First up, I never said Greens anywhere. That is an assumption on your part Trev.

the inference was there from the previous post, and to be truthful I actually thought the previous post was yours

all good Trev. from my end it was simply a play on what JG said, I have no time for any side of politics. just like choosing cancer or a stroke to kill you.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 15, 2021, 12:21:02 AM
Gillards government wasn't a coalition. The 3 independants and one green agreed to maintain supply to Gillard ALP government. That made it possible for the ALP to form government.

The ALP had to negitiate with those 4 to get any new legislation passed. Gillard did it so well the ALP never lost a vote on the floor.

Other than both sides being political parties, they are not the same. They have very different policies and agendas.  One party thrives on this ignorence and it is why it has remained in power.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 15, 2021, 07:10:05 AM
There was more legislation passed in her term as PM than at any time before - says a lot about her ability to get the job done, unlike the incompetents in place now

History will show her as an effective PM, whilst I don't agree with how she became PM, I think she did a good job while she was

Abbott and the right media made sure she wouldn't last
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 15, 2021, 08:08:44 PM
There was more legislation passed in her term as PM than at any time before - says a lot about her ability to get the job done, unlike the incompetents in place now

History will show her as an effective PM, whilst I don't agree with how she became PM, I think she did a good job while she was

Abbott and the right media made sure she wouldn't last

not going to get agreement on JG and that's cool... but I have heard the line about "more legislation passed" a number of times now in different discussions about her and so I went googling to find out exactly what it is that she achieved... bottom line? I can't find anything that anyone has done. You would think that there would be a list of what legislation has gone through? both sides bragging rights etc but?? maybe I am asking google the question in a wrong fashion but I'm just not getting any answers.

do you know of any list anywhere that I can look through to see what is attributed to her time with the golden hammer?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 15, 2021, 11:39:38 PM
Obviously didn't look that hard. NDIS, carbon price, royal commision into child abuse...

https://theconversation.com/labors-legacy-six-years-of-what-exactly-17526
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 16, 2021, 03:59:07 AM
wasn't too hard, go to the bottom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillard_Government#:~:text=Major%20policy%20initiatives%20of%20the,the%20National%20Disability%20Insurance%20Scheme.

an another one:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jun/28/australia-productive-prime-minister
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 16, 2021, 07:54:45 PM
Obviously didn't look that hard. NDIS, carbon price, royal commision into child abuse...

https://theconversation.com/labors-legacy-six-years-of-what-exactly-17526

still no list.. a generic "yeah we did stuff" isn't what I am looking for.

I want to see the list of what was actually done
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 16, 2021, 07:57:43 PM
wasn't too hard, go to the bottom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillard_Government#:~:text=Major%20policy%20initiatives%20of%20the,the%20National%20Disability%20Insurance%20Scheme.

an another one:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jun/28/australia-productive-prime-minister

same as above, neither of these carry any list of what was passed. there has to be a record of it somewhere?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on May 17, 2021, 08:12:04 AM
There was more legislation passed in her term as PM than at any time before - says a lot about her ability to get the job done, unlike the incompetents in place now

History will show her as an effective PM, whilst I don't agree with how she became PM, I think she did a good job while she was

Abbott and the right media made sure she wouldn't last

Most Australians disagree and even the Labor party thought she was a liability. That's why they stabbed her in the back and put Rudd back in, as an attempt to reduce the amount of damage, before the landslide win to the Coalition in 2013.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 17, 2021, 09:18:54 AM
There was more legislation passed in her term as PM than at any time before - says a lot about her ability to get the job done, unlike the incompetents in place now

History will show her as an effective PM, whilst I don't agree with how she became PM, I think she did a good job while she was

Abbott and the right media made sure she wouldn't last

Most Australians disagree and even the Labor party thought she was a liability. That's why they stabbed her in the back and put Rudd back in, as an attempt to reduce the amount of damage, before the landslide win to the Coalition in 2013.
they never thought she was a liability to get stuff done, she was shafted by Rudd who just couldn't let go that he was dumped, add to that he had Abbott and the right media helping knife her

History will show she was an effective PM, but my belief still stands - Australia was not, or is still not ready for a female PM
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 17, 2021, 09:19:28 AM
wasn't too hard, go to the bottom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillard_Government#:~:text=Major%20policy%20initiatives%20of%20the,the%20National%20Disability%20Insurance%20Scheme.

an another one:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jun/28/australia-productive-prime-minister

same as above, neither of these carry any list of what was passed. there has to be a record of it somewhere?
did you scroll to the bottom where the legislation was listed?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 18, 2021, 12:20:23 AM
Obviously didn't look that hard. NDIS, carbon price, royal commision into child abuse...

https://theconversation.com/labors-legacy-six-years-of-what-exactly-17526

still no list.. a generic "yeah we did stuff" isn't what I am looking for.

I want to see the list of what was actually done

So because you can't find it, it never happened...  LOL!  Trevors Wiki link lists plenty of policy.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 18, 2021, 08:54:10 AM
Obviously didn't look that hard. NDIS, carbon price, royal commision into child abuse...

https://theconversation.com/labors-legacy-six-years-of-what-exactly-17526

still no list.. a generic "yeah we did stuff" isn't what I am looking for.

I want to see the list of what was actually done

So because you can't find it, it never happened...  LOL!  Trevors Wiki link lists plenty of policy.

never said that Albert, simply asked the question...

folk these days can't handle a request for info!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 20, 2021, 01:08:47 PM
Gillard was amazing....she knifed Kevin then got knifed herself
It think it’s fairly evident that her failure had nothing to do with her genitalia but more to do with lack of wisdom and policies. Remember, the Australian public didn’t sack her, her colleagues did

Slightly off topic....will Albo embrace coal and blue collar workers or will he loose the next election ?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 20, 2021, 02:10:27 PM
G'day Mick and welcome back

Hope life has been good for you
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 20, 2021, 02:37:24 PM
its been awesome thanks Trev
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 20, 2021, 03:17:19 PM
That's good, glad to hear it

Things are cruising along nicely for me as well
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 20, 2021, 08:50:39 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/victorian-budget-2021-business-tax-for-mental-health-spending/100149362

So this government who slaughtered business with stupid lock downs now want to tax them even more ?

Communism in the making folks
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on May 21, 2021, 11:41:09 PM
Our labor party is just as bad as the liberals. Worse in Vic and Qld. We are ****ed either way until the rich dinosaurs go and we get another genuine hard working Aussie.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 22, 2021, 11:40:40 AM
Stop voting for them. The major party's are only complacent because no matter how pissed off people are, they keep voting the same way every election.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 22, 2021, 12:55:30 PM
Our labor party is just as bad as the liberals. Worse in Vic and Qld. We are ****ed either way until the rich dinosaurs go and we get another genuine hard working Aussie.

It’s weird eh ?....a few months ago I became a paid member of the state ALP because my local representative is a conservative and our state government has gone left
The honerable Clare Scriven MP is a fantastic lady who has stood strong against attacks from both sides recently
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 24, 2021, 11:56:05 PM
This is what happens when the people give up on politics. Corruption goes unnoticed.

 https://youtu.be/awUhgOou6_Q
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 25, 2021, 01:28:56 PM
This is what happens when the people give up on politics. Corruption goes unnoticed.

 https://youtu.be/awUhgOou6_Q

Boy he is angry ..... so why is she so popular?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 26, 2021, 01:14:27 AM
Ignorance is bliss.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on May 26, 2021, 08:33:50 AM
This is what happens when the people give up on politics. Corruption goes unnoticed.

 https://youtu.be/awUhgOou6_Q

Given how the by election in NSW went on the weekend, the voting public are more than willing to overlook alleged corruption, alleged rapes and assaults by MPs and staffers, and the ignorance of allegedly corrupt spouses.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 26, 2021, 11:04:10 AM
This is what happens when the people give up on politics. Corruption goes unnoticed.

 https://youtu.be/awUhgOou6_Q

Given how the by election in NSW went on the weekend, the voting public are more than willing to overlook alleged corruption, alleged rapes and assaults by MPs and staffers, and the ignorance of allegedly corrupt spouses.


the opposition must be BAD !!!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 26, 2021, 05:25:23 PM
The people just don't care anymore. Corruption and lies have been normalised. There was a time MP were sacked or stood down if they were not fit for office. Now it's business as usual.

Also the NSW opposition get f'all mention in the media for good or bad.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 26, 2021, 05:31:59 PM
Obviously didn't look that hard. NDIS, carbon price, royal commision into child abuse...

https://theconversation.com/labors-legacy-six-years-of-what-exactly-17526

still no list.. a generic "yeah we did stuff" isn't what I am looking for.

I want to see the list of what was actually done

So because you can't find it, it never happened...  LOL!  Trevors Wiki link lists plenty of policy.

never said that Albert, simply asked the question...

folk these days can't handle a request for info!

You were provided the information. You rejected it.  :o ;)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 27, 2021, 05:56:07 PM
Why don’t they make ALP members like Joel Fitzgibbon (spelling I know) anymore....he is standing up for the blue collar workers not the woke inner city greenies
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 28, 2021, 07:08:43 PM
Welp, NSW Labor are getting a new leader, Jodie McKay quit.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 28, 2021, 08:37:47 PM
Welp, NSW Labor are getting a new leader, Jodie McKay quit.

Great news
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: vipernz on May 31, 2021, 01:22:15 PM
So not only do you have to put up with plonkers on a federal level but also on a state level as well?

God Aussie politics is worse that NZ any day buy the looks... we just have 1 commie party to deal with.

And yeah, think Albert says, stop voting for them.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 31, 2021, 06:14:34 PM
A lot of aussies think that Jacinta is an Australian politician

I was chatting to some kiwis recently who said that NZ are in a precarious position with there trade with China and getting dumped by the allied nations...is that your take on the situation?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: vipernz on June 04, 2021, 03:53:51 PM
On face value it looks like we are sucking up to the Chinese and pissing off the mates we had... I did hear that Scott got rather verbal about it and put the boot in.. fair too

I say dont forget your mates... one day you will need them and it isn't like we can defend our own arses in these parts.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 11, 2021, 11:38:52 PM
I just laugh at all the "China are bad" stuff.   Aussie Corporations and Government turned to China because it's cheaper. They turned to them to save them money and make bigger profit for themselves. The consumer wants everything for nothing and stopped supporting local manufacturing. China is not moving in on us, we are moving towards China.

As for our "mates"/"allied nations", they are doing the exact same thing.

Labor or LNP, left or right, Liberal or Conservative. trade with China is now inevitable.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on June 12, 2021, 12:11:28 AM
I just laugh at all the "China are bad" stuff.   Aussie Corporations and Government turned to China because it's cheaper. They turned to them to save them money and make bigger profit for themselves. The consumer wants everything for nothing and stopped supporting local manufacturing. China is not moving in on us, we are moving towards China.

As for our "mates"/"allied nations", they are doing the exact same thing.

Labor or LNP, left or right, Liberal or Conservative. trade with China is now inevitable.

That’s right, we can’t blame one party for China taking over everything here or filling the country with cheap garbage products, this has been happening for over 20 years.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 12, 2021, 12:24:25 AM
It's not China filling the country with cheap garbage. It's the Australian companies bringing it in. China manufacturing is good if not better than most other countries. It all depends on what you pay for what you want made and the quality control. We get garbage because they are asked to make garbage for the cheapest possible price.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 13, 2021, 05:16:15 PM
It's not China filling the country with cheap garbage. It's the Australian companies bringing it in. China manufacturing is good if not better than most other countries. It all depends on what you pay for what you want made and the quality control. We get garbage because they are asked to make garbage for the cheapest possible price.

ever driven an LDV ?
chinese manufacturing is terrible from worker benefits to quality, not to mention what they are doing to the enviroment...interesting the same people supporting us bowing down the communist are the same crying about the mystical global warming
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 14, 2021, 02:03:59 AM
You get what you pay for. LDV are half the price of some other makes.

The only way China is moving in is Australians are letting them in, our economy is linked to trade with China. LNP is big on free trade. That's the reality of it.

The ones complaining about China are also the ones supporting coal and ore mining. Both industries would collapse if China wasn't buying our resources. They are also the ones playing on peoples xenophobia and racism.

I got a laugh out of your concern for what China is doing to the environment only to go on to claim global warming is a myth.  ;)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 14, 2021, 05:11:41 PM
Happy to hear that the very talented Peta Credlin has become a winner on the queens birthday list
Peta Credlin AO
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 14, 2021, 05:45:04 PM
Who? :P
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on June 14, 2021, 09:29:04 PM
Credlin's award makes a mockery of the whole system.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 15, 2021, 02:14:08 PM
Credlin's award makes a mockery of the whole system.

WHY ?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on June 15, 2021, 03:59:19 PM
Well let's see...
She makes stuff up every night to put fear into our elderly people.
An Officer of the Order of Australia is usually a person of high regard who has been, or is still, outstanding in their field of expertise and does great things for Australia and possibly the world. Think Doctors and scientists who tackle horrible diseases and come up with solutions.
Credlin almost single handedly destroyed Tony Abbott and his party. Some may say that's a good thing but I would disagree. We desperately need strong politicians and parties on both sides of the divide.
She isolated Abbott from his party and his family and reshaped the Liberal Party into the absolute shemozzle it is today.
She allowed the rise of people such as Morrison and Dutton, both of whom have a lot to answer for.
She meddled in pre-selections ensuring that gays or gay supporters, equal marriage rights people and others were not able to be selected by the Liberals to run for parliament.

It's probably entirely her fault that the happy clappers are now running the country into the ground.

That's WHY!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 15, 2021, 06:25:32 PM
Well let's see...
She makes stuff up every night to put fear into our elderly people.
An Officer of the Order of Australia is usually a person of high regard who has been, or is still, outstanding in their field of expertise and does great things for Australia and possibly the world. Think Doctors and scientists who tackle horrible diseases and come up with solutions.
Credlin almost single handedly destroyed Tony Abbott and his party. Some may say that's a good thing but I would disagree. We desperately need strong politicians and parties on both sides of the divide.
She isolated Abbott from his party and his family and reshaped the Liberal Party into the absolute shemozzle it is today.
She allowed the rise of people such as Morrison and Dutton, both of whom have a lot to answer for.
She meddled in pre-selections ensuring that gays or gay supporters, equal marriage rights people and others were not able to be selected by the Liberals to run for parliament.

It's probably entirely her fault that the happy clappers are now running the country into the ground.

That's WHY!

What evidence do you have for any of that ?…surely if she did what you have accused her of doing, Tony Abbott would not be a close friend of hers ?
What does she make up every night ?

On a side note…the south Australian liberal government has just denied membership to some 500 Pentecostal Christians ….. is that what you want ?….
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 15, 2021, 08:10:57 PM
Better question is what has she done to make Australia a better place, worthy of an Order of OZ?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on June 15, 2021, 08:43:56 PM
Better question is what has she done to make Australia a better place, worthy of an Order of OZ?

That's a simple answer Albert.
Absolutely nothing.  :)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 07:42:09 AM
Better question is what has she done to make Australia a better place, worthy of an Order of OZ?

That's a simple answer Albert.
Absolutely nothing.  :)

still just an opinion and zero facts LG ?
id suggest she has done alot more than most Alby
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on June 16, 2021, 08:21:30 AM
And that's an opinion. No facts to back it up...   ;)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 09:23:21 AM
Better question is what has she done to make Australia a better place, worthy of an Order of OZ?

That's a simple answer Albert.
Absolutely nothing.  :)

still just an opinion and zero facts LG ?
id suggest she has done alot more than most Alby

Such as..?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 11:15:06 AM
https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/7295338/peta-credlin-the-accidental-political-warrior-lands-queens-birthday-honour/

interesting thing about Peta is the left said some absolute horrid things about her....a fringe group said "ditch the witch" towards Gillard and they were labled sexist
she has been put through the ringer, yet has stood tall
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on June 16, 2021, 01:36:30 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/bvDWqpH0/Credlin.jpg)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 01:52:18 PM
https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/7295338/peta-credlin-the-accidental-political-warrior-lands-queens-birthday-honour/

interesting thing about Peta is the left said some absolute horrid things about her....a fringe group said "ditch the witch" towards Gillard and they were labled sexist
she has been put through the ringer, yet has stood tall


That fringe group that was the LNP front bench. With Tony Abbott front and center. Where was Credlin sticking up for women in politics then?

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 06:00:07 PM
https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/7295338/peta-credlin-the-accidental-political-warrior-lands-queens-birthday-honour/

interesting thing about Peta is the left said some absolute horrid things about her....a fringe group said "ditch the witch" towards Gillard and they were labled sexist
she has been put through the ringer, yet has stood tall


That fringe group that was the LNP front bench. With Tony Abbott front and center. Where was Credlin sticking up for women in politics then?

That’s not true at all…Gillard tried use the sexual discrimination card and failed miserably….even her own party didn’t buy it, so they kicked her out :)
Watch the Credlin report and you will see her sticking up for many woman….unlike many on both sides
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 06:01:45 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/bvDWqpH0/Credlin.jpg)

If that nonsense was posted about any female in the ALP, you would be called a misogynist…. But because it’s a liberal leader it’s open season

Very sad
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 06:33:28 PM
https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/7295338/peta-credlin-the-accidental-political-warrior-lands-queens-birthday-honour/

interesting thing about Peta is the left said some absolute horrid things about her....a fringe group said "ditch the witch" towards Gillard and they were labled sexist
she has been put through the ringer, yet has stood tall


That fringe group that was the LNP front bench. With Tony Abbott front and center. Where was Credlin sticking up for women in politics then?

That’s not true at all…Gillard tried use the sexual discrimination card and failed miserably….even her own party didn’t buy it, so they kicked her out :)
Watch the Credlin report and you will see her sticking up for many woman….unlike many on both sides

Why would I watch such biased garbage. If what you say is true, that she sticks up for many women. Why not all? You can't lecture us about how we treat Credlin when you put the boot into Gillard. That called being a hypocrite. :)

Pesky modern technology, recording everything... I do believe that is Abbott and several of his front bench. Before you claim this wasn't their doing. They stood up there and made no effort to distance themselves from it.

(https://eightyfish.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/r738936_6026149.jpg)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 06:38:15 PM
https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/7295338/peta-credlin-the-accidental-political-warrior-lands-queens-birthday-honour/

interesting thing about Peta is the left said some absolute horrid things about her....a fringe group said "ditch the witch" towards Gillard and they were labled sexist
she has been put through the ringer, yet has stood tall


That fringe group that was the LNP front bench. With Tony Abbott front and center. Where was Credlin sticking up for women in politics then?

That’s not true at all…Gillard tried use the sexual discrimination card and failed miserably….even her own party didn’t buy it, so they kicked her out :)
Watch the Credlin report and you will see her sticking up for many woman….unlike many on both sides

Why would I watch such biased garbage. If what you say is true, that she sticks up for many women. Why not all? You can't lecture us about how we treat Credlin when you put the boot into Gillard. That called being a hypocrite. :)

Pesky modern technology, recording everything... I do believe that is Abbott and several of his front bench. Before you claim this wasn't their doing. They stood up there and made no effort to distance themselves from it.

(https://eightyfish.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/r738936_6026149.jpg)

Lol…I think you missed my point mate on the hypocrite thing
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 06:40:21 PM
You claim Credlin cops abuse yet stands tall and should be hailed for it. You compare her to how Gillard was treated. Gillard stood up for herself in parliament and yet is a failure.

No, I don't think I've missed the point.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 06:52:46 PM
The old forum might be gone but we remember what you posted. ;)

What did I post ?…Gillard was one of our worst PM’s ….had nothing to do with her sex but her lack of policies  and leadership
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 07:02:52 PM
The old forum might be gone but we remember what you posted. ;)

What did I post ?…Gillard was one of our worst PM’s ….had nothing to do with her sex but her lack of policies  and leadership

Not agreeing with Credlin getting an OA has nothing to do with sex. It has everything to do with here policies and actions. It was you that assumed it had anything to do with her sex.

The Gillard lead Labor government passed more legislation and policy than any other government before and so far after it. As for leadership. Every past PM after her has suffered the same fate.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 07:06:28 PM
The old forum might be gone but we remember what you posted. ;)

What did I post ?…Gillard was one of our worst PM’s ….had nothing to do with her sex but her lack of policies  and leadership

Not agreeing with Credlin getting an OA has nothing to do with sex. It has everything to do with here policies and actions. It was you that assumed it had anything to do with her sex.

The Gillard lead Labor government passed more legislation and policy than any other government before and so far after it. As for leadership. Every past PM after her has suffered the same fate.

Yet her own party that you support booted her ?….imagine what they would done if she was any good !!!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 07:12:22 PM
You support the LNP, they did it twice. They can't be any good either.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 07:13:54 PM
You support the LNP, they did it twice. They can't be any good either.

Twice to who ?….
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 07:30:20 PM
There's got to be a youtube video you can google to catch up.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 07:42:21 PM
There's got to be a youtube video you can google to catch up.

Sorry mate, you have lost me :(

But some good news, finally got my ALP a member card today
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 07:52:22 PM
Welp, they say the memory is the first to go. :P  Search Liberal leadership spill.

I don't have any political membership cards.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 07:57:05 PM
Welp, they say the memory is the first to go. :P  Search Liberal leadership spill.

I don't have any political membership cards.

Not sure they have to do Julia ?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 08:06:12 PM
In english please.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 08:55:33 PM
I thought we were discussing Julia Gillard demise and how if it was sexist then the problem is/was in the ALP as they booted her from office
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on June 17, 2021, 06:43:18 AM
I thought we were discussing Julia Gillard demise and how if it was sexist then the problem is/was in the ALP as they booted her from office

And here I was thinking you were simply trolling again...   ;)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 17, 2021, 07:23:58 AM
I thought we were discussing Julia Gillard demise and how if it was sexist then the problem is/was in the ALP as they booted her from office

And here I was thinking you were simply trolling again...   ;)

nope...just trying to keep it on track
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 17, 2021, 09:33:27 AM
You derailed long ago. We were talking about Credlins OA and you comparing her to the treatment of Gillard. You and only you brought up sexism.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on June 17, 2021, 03:50:03 PM
I don't know why you bother Albert, you are flogging a dead horse

There are a few of us who are not posting here any more because you-know-who is back
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 17, 2021, 06:00:52 PM
Meh, kills time. Something entertaining about ignorant conservatives.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 17, 2021, 06:14:11 PM
I don't know why you bother Albert, you are flogging a dead horse

There are a few of us who are not posting here any more because you-know-who is back

That’s sad ….. when you can’t bring yourself to have a conversation with another person because you believe that your views are higher than theirs

Ah well…..it takes all sorts I guess…for me, I don’t care who you are, male female,black white, far left far right …. I always learn something…maybe I’m just not as smart as you Trevor ?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 17, 2021, 10:02:55 PM
Oh look, I have been smoted. :D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on June 21, 2021, 11:38:09 AM
We've just had another leadership spill, this time in The Nationals.

Barnaby is our Deputy Dawg, again.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 21, 2021, 01:13:05 PM
We've just had another leadership spill, this time in The Nationals.

Barnaby is our Deputy Dawg, again.

Happy with that :)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on June 21, 2021, 06:31:50 PM
We've just had another leadership spill, this time in The Nationals.

Barnaby is our Deputy Dawg, again.

I laughed like hell at Albo at what he was calling the Goverment
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 21, 2021, 06:33:00 PM
We've just had another leadership spill, this time in The Nationals.

Barnaby is our Deputy Dawg, again.

I laughed like hell at Albo at what he was calling the Goverment

Ah Albo…..nice bloke….potty he isn’t a leader
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 22, 2021, 05:54:28 PM
We've just had another leadership spill, this time in The Nationals.

Barnaby is our Deputy Dawg, again.

Happy with that :)

I would have thought Bible thumpers wouldn't be happy at all.  ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 22, 2021, 06:13:24 PM
We've just had another leadership spill, this time in The Nationals.

Barnaby is our Deputy Dawg, again.

Happy with that :)

Why …. We support the family unit as does Barnaby…in fact he supports it that much that he now has 2 families :)

I would have thought Bible thumpers wouldn't be happy at all.  ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 23, 2021, 12:47:49 AM
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on June 23, 2021, 05:53:55 AM
except when it suits you and your staffer is HOT
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 23, 2021, 11:54:09 AM
what a piece of crap this guy is

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/immovable-object-greens-urge-south-korea-to-hit-australia-with-carbon-tariffs-20201103-p56b41.html

and the ALP are in bed with him ?...he should be charged with treason
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 23, 2021, 10:39:20 PM
Bloody treasonous alright!  Libs sold the Port of Darwin to the Chinese. The libs are approving foreign owned mining and subsidising them instead of taxing them. Howard negotiated free trade agreements that a foreign country can sue Australia if we reject their product.

ALP are not in bed with the Greens there is no formal coalition. They negotiate with them just like the LNP do to get things passed.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on June 24, 2021, 04:28:09 AM
well said Bert
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 24, 2021, 10:09:13 AM
Bloody treasonous alright!  Libs sold the Port of Darwin to the Chinese. The libs are approving foreign owned mining and subsidising them instead of taxing them. Howard negotiated free trade agreements that a foreign country can sue Australia if we reject their product.

ALP are not in bed with the Greens there is no formal coalition. They negotiate with them just like the LNP do to get things passed.

totally agree with the first part alby
but to say the ALP isnt in bed with the greens is laughable
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 24, 2021, 06:04:39 PM
Then so is the LNP and PHON. They have struck deals with the Greens from voting preference to passing legislation.

I'd more worried about the far right infiltration of our political institutions. Restricted voted, removing freedoms, telling us who to hate/fear, racism, bigotry, sexism, violence, wide spread corruption, holding technology back, poorer public schools and health. Denying climate science, tax cuts to the wealthy... The extreme left has never been a real threat to our way of life. they have never, or will ever get the numbers to rule. The extreme right on the other hand...

Wage growth and standards of living are plummeting and people couldn't be happier. They are ignorant and easily gaslit. Sheep, if you will...
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 28, 2021, 08:22:54 AM
Good on ya Scotty …. Great leaders don’t bow down to communist bullies

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/chinaaustralia-trade-is-still-growing-despite-covid/news-story/69466cdb5ca228ebf6de9725d78781c4
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 28, 2021, 07:24:40 PM
Not really. China could source its mineral from somewhere else. Thanks to greed and the free trade LNP deals, Australians living standard is now tied to China. In other words it's not about money. If China wants to, they can cripple us. The LNP made sure of it.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 28, 2021, 08:03:41 PM
Not really. China could source its mineral from somewhere else. Thanks to greed and the free trade LNP deals, Australians living standard is now tied to China. In other words it's not about money. If China wants to, they can cripple us. The LNP made sure of it.

Lmao….you are a funny bugger
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 28, 2021, 10:33:31 PM
Why thank you. I'm well informed as well.  You obviously didn't even read the article you linked.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 10, 2021, 09:06:47 PM
I wondered why the NSW "Health advice" differed from every other states CHO in response to Delta Covid. Politics over the well being of the people. They "talked" about a lockdown for ten days, allowing it to spread.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/10/nsw-chief-health-officer-sidesteps-question-of-whether-she-told-government-to-lock-down-earlier
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 11, 2021, 05:41:04 AM
I am not surprised, it is becoming very obvious Dr Chant is a puppet of the Government
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 13, 2021, 12:49:10 AM
Is your health worth a politicians ego?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/12/gladys-berejiklian-offers-slogans-in-place-of-solutions-as-nsw-covid-crisis-deepens
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 13, 2021, 07:00:45 AM
She has no idea, well she does, let the covid rampage until everyone is vaccinated - does she have shares in Pfizer or AstraZeneca? or maybe Moderna
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on August 13, 2021, 11:57:25 AM
Did anyone notice all the rats scurrying to leave Canberra yesterday?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on August 14, 2021, 11:43:49 AM
Found this classic.

(https://i.redd.it/z69mbhhb88h71.jpg)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 14, 2021, 04:34:49 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 14, 2021, 08:57:16 PM
Found this classic.

(https://i.redd.it/z69mbhhb88h71.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sXn1zqFP/guy_laughing_slapping_knee_lg_wht.gif)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on August 15, 2021, 02:02:30 PM
Just read that Palaszczuk employs 30 spin doctors!
The mind boggles at the absolute wastage of our money.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: fordman on August 15, 2021, 04:08:11 PM
Found this classic.

(https://i.redd.it/z69mbhhb88h71.jpg)

Last years covid, this years is very very different. look at Vic similarities ATM are appearing, still getting cases out in the community despite lockdowns. Covid has bitten every politician who starts to brag about how they are better than others.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on August 15, 2021, 05:42:49 PM
Found this classic.

(https://i.redd.it/z69mbhhb88h71.jpg)

Last years covid, this years is very very different. look at Vic similarities ATM are appearing, still getting cases out in the community despite lockdowns. Covid has bitten every politician who starts to brag about how they are better than others.
Yes, it's worse than last year, which is why it's so unbelievably perplexing that the NSW government refused to get it under control before it was too late.  All to save face to not be called a hypocrite, but her ego has now cost lives.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 15, 2021, 05:52:24 PM
Just read that Palaszczuk employs 30 spin doctors!
The mind boggles at the absolute wastage of our money.

Only 30?  ;)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 15, 2021, 05:58:44 PM

Last years covid, this years is very very different. look at Vic similarities ATM are appearing, still getting cases out in the community despite lockdowns. Covid has bitten every politician who starts to brag about how they are better than others.

Knock-on-wood,  it hasn't run away like NSW has done so far.

Anatomy of the NSW outbreak - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxA7ELY9O7M
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: fordman on August 15, 2021, 06:14:30 PM
Found this classic.

(https://i.redd.it/z69mbhhb88h71.jpg)

Last years covid, this years is very very different. look at Vic similarities ATM are appearing, still getting cases out in the community despite lockdowns. Covid has bitten every politician who starts to brag about how they are better than others.
Yes, it's worse than last year, which is why it's so unbelievably perplexing that the NSW government refused to get it under control before it was too late.  All to save face to not be called a hypocrite, but her ego has now cost lives.

And Chairman Dan cost how many? 800+ from a decision made by his government no one seems to have made???? or take responsibility for. its not actually worse than last in Vic yet sadly. BTW Vic is bubbling along more cases today out in the community and still in lockdown.
Listening to Chairman Dan tonight he is mirroring what NSW is saying that their constituents are still ignoring the rules  >:(
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: fordman on August 15, 2021, 06:17:08 PM
The reason we are still in lockdown in Sydney is because of people 😌
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let’s review some facts about the last 18 months in Australia :
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn’t trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn’t trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn’t trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and now Sydney and state borders, because we can’t trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn’t trust people not to take more than what they needed.
8. In Sydney they’ve had to close down streets, suburbs and freeways with army trucks because people can’t be trusted to stay at home. Instead they want to go to beach parties in Newcastle.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated, but essentially it’s our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Selfishness, entitlement and a lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself in Australia.
The quicker people start following directions, the quicker this situation will improve and our businesses can start to grow again. 🙏🏼
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 15, 2021, 07:29:55 PM
That had to come from a government spin doctor. haha.   

This is not a chicken or the egg paradox. If the Government acted quickly, the people wouldn't be breaking the rules.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on August 15, 2021, 07:56:26 PM
If the Government acted quickly, the people wouldn't be breaking the rules.
No, there are always people breaking the rules no matter what. It's only the numbers you can argue about - and only if you like hypotheticals.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on August 15, 2021, 08:43:58 PM

Listening to Chairman Dan tonight he is mirroring what NSW is saying that their constituents are still ignoring the rules  >:(
It's all about attitude.  You can't expect the public to take it seriously when the government didn't.  There's no difference between the people in NSW and the people in QLD, and yet in QLD it was taken more seriously and people acted in a manner to reduce the spread quickly.  That's how leadership works, and NSW failed abysmally in this regard.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 15, 2021, 10:43:01 PM
If the Government acted quickly, the people wouldn't be breaking the rules.
No, there are always people breaking the rules no matter what. It's only the numbers you can argue about - and only if you like hypotheticals.
Hey! Zac is back from sulking.

Seems people in the other states can follow the rules.

Is it people breaking the rules because they are just selfish?  Or is it because the rules for what is considered essential are clear as mud?  Coupled with no financial support, people have had to go to work to make a living. Crikey, that explains why the workplace has been the main source of infection.

You like youtube videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxA7ELY9O7M  Glady's saying don't cancel your plans, nothing to see here. 7 weeks and 6000 cases later, Glady's said 450 cases in one day is a "wake up call".

Pulling vaccines from regional areas right before an outbreak was a freakin' master stroke as well.


Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: fordman on August 16, 2021, 05:53:26 AM
If the Government acted quickly, the people wouldn't be breaking the rules.
No, there are always people breaking the rules no matter what. It's only the numbers you can argue about - and only if you like hypotheticals.
Hey! Zac is back from sulking.

Seems people in the other states can follow the rules.

Is it people breaking the rules because they are just selfish?  Or is it because the rules for what is considered essential are clear as mud?  Coupled with no financial support, people have had to go to work to make a living. Crikey, that explains why the workplace has been the main source of infection.

You like youtube videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxA7ELY9O7M  Glady's saying don't cancel your plans, nothing to see here. 7 weeks and 6000 cases later, Glady's said 450 cases in one day is a "wake up call".

Pulling vaccines from regional areas right before an outbreak was a freakin' master stroke as well.

BS there is plenty of financial help, 750/week $320 to stay at home after a test, thousands for businesses. essential businesses will always be a source of transmission do we close supermarkets???

Chairman Dan just yesterday had a shot at his own state fr not following rules as they are still getting cases where no known source QLD Premier did the same as vision showed nearly no one wering masks in areas they were supposed to be.

look at what caused the spread in NSWregions IDIOTS not following the rules, simple rules really for the most part.

As for looking after year 12 students by re-allocating vaxs and those against it just shows how selfish some have become.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on August 16, 2021, 06:55:02 AM
Yep, the first item I saw on my news feed this morning was "Victoria cracking down on Covid breaches".

Sulking :). So that's what Albert does when he doesn't post for months - and now he's making lots of noise, signifying nothing, making up for the posts he didn't make. He needs Trickyonne back to really get his count up. At least Tricky can quibble on Albert's level.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 16, 2021, 07:26:35 AM
BS there is plenty of financial help, 750/week $320 to stay at home after a test, thousands for businesses. essential businesses will always be a source of transmission do we close supermarkets???

Chairman Dan just yesterday had a shot at his own state fr not following rules as they are still getting cases where no known source QLD Premier did the same as vision showed nearly no one wering masks in areas they were supposed to be.

look at what caused the spread in NSWregions IDIOTS not following the rules, simple rules really for the most part.

As for looking after year 12 students by re-allocating vaxs and those against it just shows how selfish some have become.
You may call Dan Andrews "Chairman Dan", what do we call Gladys Berejiklian?  "Gladys the Sloth", maybe "Socialist Gladys" or maybe "ScoMo's Gerry Gee"?  You can ScoMo's hand up her arse making her lips move

Her Governments inability to make the tough decisions is about to cripple the country - did she learn from Victoria's mistakes NO - her ****ing ego is to big for that - this is the end of her politicial career, next election, she and her pissant Government will be goooonnnneee
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 16, 2021, 07:35:12 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/G2xbZ94p/Gerry-Gee.jpg)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: fordman on August 16, 2021, 07:39:10 AM
BS there is plenty of financial help, 750/week $320 to stay at home after a test, thousands for businesses. essential businesses will always be a source of transmission do we close supermarkets???

Chairman Dan just yesterday had a shot at his own state fr not following rules as they are still getting cases where no known source QLD Premier did the same as vision showed nearly no one wering masks in areas they were supposed to be.

look at what caused the spread in NSWregions IDIOTS not following the rules, simple rules really for the most part.

As for looking after year 12 students by re-allocating vaxs and those against it just shows how selfish some have become.
You may call Dan Andrews "Chairman Dan", what do we call Gladys Berejiklian?  "Gladys the Sloth", maybe "Socialist Gladys" or maybe "ScoMo's Gerry Gee"?  You can ScoMo's hand up her arse making her lips move

Her Governments inability to make the tough decisions is about to cripple the country - did she learn from Victoria's mistakes NO - her ****ing ego is to big for that - this is the end of her politicial career, next election, she and her pissant Government will be goooonnnneee
 

learn from Vic who are in lockdown #6 and overseen 800 deaths directly attributed to Vic Premier who is yet to accept the blame, he is also GOOOONEEEE next year. look closer even Vic ppl are still not following the rules ie the recent engagement party he sholdn't be throwing knives when he too cannot control his ppl.

Plenty of Monday Morning quarterbacks getting around.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 16, 2021, 08:15:14 AM
learn from Vic who are in lockdown #6 and overseen 800 deaths directly attributed to Vic Premier who is yet to accept the blame, he is also GOOOONEEEE next year. look closer even Vic ppl are still not following the rules ie the recent engagement party he sholdn't be throwing knives when he too cannot control his ppl.

Plenty of Monday Morning quarterbacks getting around.

That's right, how much vaccine was around this time last year?

Who else had gone through what Victoria did at the time?

What were the failures? Quarantine - FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISSUE, Aged Care - FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISSUE. The Victorian Government stepped in to Aged Care due to a HUGE failure of FEDERAL GOVERNMENT systems, that was AFTER most had died.

Same as quarantine, at the first State/Feds get together last year, Morrison said they don't have the resources to quarantine international travelers so the State Governments stepped into that space as the Feds were Missing in Action AGAIN

Explain WHY the international border was allowed to stay open from January 2020?

Explain WHY there wasn't proper systems in aged care?

Neither of which are State issues

I have heard ramblings like yours before and it is shyte and you know it
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 16, 2021, 09:10:33 AM
BS there is plenty of financial help, 750/week $320 to stay at home after a test, thousands for businesses. essential businesses will always be a source of transmission do we close supermarkets???

Chairman Dan just yesterday had a shot at his own state fr not following rules as they are still getting cases where no known source QLD Premier did the same as vision showed nearly no one wering masks in areas they were supposed to be.

look at what caused the spread in NSWregions IDIOTS not following the rules, simple rules really for the most part.

As for looking after year 12 students by re-allocating vaxs and those against it just shows how selfish some have become.

Financial help only just kicked in in the last couple of weeks.

Is it not selfish pulling vaccines from the regional community that doesn't have the health service capacity to deal with an outbreak? The vaccine was allocated,  people had appointments booked. The plan to have year 12 students to sit for exam fell over with in days of announcing it anyway.

There will be people breaking the rules. But that does excuse the gross mishandeling of the situation by the NSW government. The regional outbreak is a direct result of the department of corrections releasing a person before confirming his covid status.


Oh and Zac. Unlike you I didn't go away angry, I just went away.  As for post count, you've spent most of yours quibbling about me.  ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on August 16, 2021, 11:41:35 AM
“No prizes for 2nd” - or 1st.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 16, 2021, 12:47:13 PM
Recycled jibes are so fun aren't they. That's a problem with lockdown,  can't go out to get new ones. ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on August 16, 2021, 02:54:45 PM
:'( 2 more weeks plus curfew in Melb
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 16, 2021, 04:34:03 PM
Are you surprised Phil, look at the behaviour of the 20 to 40 year olds, it is deplorable.

I went for a walk with my wife yesterday, about 14 cars outside a neighbour's place, new Australian from the middle east, they are just blatantly breaking the rules, so the local police station got a call. Why should we be punished for their behaviour
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 16, 2021, 06:04:19 PM
Reports in, that there were medical professionals at that engagement party.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 16, 2021, 06:05:07 PM
and 3 infectious people
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 19, 2021, 05:38:33 PM
Quote
After days and days of the NSW premier saying that a stronger lockdown wouldn’t be effective as there are still hundreds of people breaking the rules every day, the deputy chief health officer, Dr Marrianne Gale has just said rule breaking is not the major cause of transmission.

And so, one of the major drivers of the higher case numbers that we’re seeing in the areas of south-western Sydney and western Sydney is larger households that we’re seeing.

We’re seeing younger people and those who are often those authorised workers, those people that provide essential services, who work in aged care, work in disability, who work in healthcare settings, who work in factories, work in shopping centres. And so, transmission is happening between workplaces and households.

So for the vast majority of people, it’s not anybody doing the wrong thing. It’s what we are seeing with the Delta variant that is so highly transmissible.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2021/aug/19/covid-australia-live-update-nsw-outbreak-vaccines-young-sydney-hotspots-melbourne-lockdown-queensland-border-army?page=with:block-611db9f88f08e83ac7bdf1eb#liveblog-navigation
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on August 19, 2021, 09:50:12 PM
Are you surprised Phil, look at the behaviour of the 20 to 40 year olds, it is deplorable.

I went for a walk with my wife yesterday, about 14 cars outside a neighbour's place, new Australian from the middle east, they are just blatantly breaking the rules, so the local police station got a call. Why should we be punished for their behaviour

In Qld, you can add under 20 year olds. Gang (allegedly) members have been cahrged with attempted murder in a home invasion,, including a 13 year old.
No news on whether they were wearing masks
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on August 19, 2021, 10:48:09 PM
Are you surprised Phil, look at the behaviour of the 20 to 40 year olds, it is deplorable.

I went for a walk with my wife yesterday, about 14 cars outside a neighbour's place, new Australian from the middle east, they are just blatantly breaking the rules, so the local police station got a call. Why should we be punished for their behaviour

Funny Covid story. We moved houses the weekend before last and last Sunday neighbour’s seen a heap of cars out the front and called the boys in blue as they thought we were having a house warming party. We were home alone! We have 9 cars, 2 bikes and 3 projects, sheds were just not ready for half the cars yet so were parked legally on the road. Anyway cops admired a few of our cars, had a good laugh and walk across the street and fined the bloke for having his truck parked on the nature strip. Guy just puts his head down when I wave now.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 19, 2021, 11:10:56 PM
Gold!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: madbugger on August 20, 2021, 07:14:57 AM
And that is how Karma works
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 20, 2021, 11:10:26 AM
https://youtu.be/DAQW0EuFCM4

#quitgladys
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 20, 2021, 12:08:16 PM
OMFG!!

What a small bubble Gladys must live in. She said the other states will learn from NSWs lockdown and will eventually need to open up.  Maybe she didn't see that SA, Qld and NT are already relaxing restrictions. 

After a week of saying the lockdown setting were right, it's the people not following the rules. More restrictions have been put in place. Essentially wasting 8 weeks for a weak lockdown
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 20, 2021, 01:18:17 PM
it is all about spin doctoring Alby, or should I say polishing a turd
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on August 20, 2021, 09:11:11 PM
OMFG!!

What a small bubble Gladys must live in. She said the other states will learn from NSWs lockdown and will eventually need to open up.  Maybe she didn't see that SA, Qld and NT are already relaxing restrictions. 

After a week of saying the lockdown setting were right, it's the people not following the rules. More restrictions have been put in place. Essentially wasting 8 weeks for a weak lockdown

I don’t support large scale lockdowns due to the damaged caused financially and mentally to families and small businesses but done early and done right they need to be done. Everyone can see she ****ed up big time. Lockdown to little to late!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 21, 2021, 12:02:50 PM
Gladys 21/8/2021 "We accept that Delta is here, we accept heading to zero across the nation, especially once you open up and live freely will be an impossible task. No other place on the planet has done it.”

Meanwhile, in Queensland...
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 21, 2021, 06:28:50 PM
 :o
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 22, 2021, 01:39:28 AM
Gladys 21/8/2021 "We accept that Delta is here, we accept heading to zero across the nation, especially once you open up and live freely will be an impossible task. No other place on the planet has done it.”

Meanwhile, in Queensland...
meanwhile in Western Australia, Tasmania and to a lesser degree South Australia

She is trying to spin doctor her failures - people do not forget Gladys

It is embarrassing watching her press conferences, all the bloody spin - yesterday, the medical person was smiling as she was at the podium - ****ing smiling

Thanks to your pox Gladys, parts of my family are now tier 1 and tier 2 - one of my grand-daughters was in the class with an infected kid.  My wife cares for children of 2 teachers who work at one of the ground zero schools
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 22, 2021, 09:57:44 AM
Scomo and Gladys are setting us up for a big fall.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/21/vaccination-rate-of-70-wont-end-lockdowns-if-covid-case-numbers-are-too-high-doherty-institute-expert-says
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 27, 2021, 06:29:19 PM
The failure of the NSW LNP continues...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/27/the-covid-disaster-unfolding-in-wilcannia-goes-way-past-incompetence-it-is-a-disgrace

Gladys and Bruz have abandoned the people of NSW.  Sad part is there are people that lack any integrity will still defend and vote for them.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 27, 2021, 08:45:37 PM
Us in Victoria saw this coming 2 months ago, the ****ing idiots have spread their pox right across Australia - this is far worse than anything Victoria did last year - where are all the meme's of outrage

2 NSW COVID postive truckies arrived in W.A., luckily they had very little contact with people
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 27, 2021, 09:08:56 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 28, 2021, 06:08:33 AM
evrything moves faster that what Scott anticipated - ****ing slow thinker that's why
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 30, 2021, 05:54:34 AM
There is some good news on the TV this morning

Slow ScoMo & Co have dipped to their lowest level on the polls - there is a ray of sunshine somewhere
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 30, 2021, 09:33:01 AM
Gillard was amazing....she knifed Kevin then got knifed herself
It think it’s fairly evident that her failure had nothing to do with her genitalia but more to do with lack of wisdom and policies. Remember, the Australian public didn’t sack her, her colleagues did

Slightly off topic....will Albo embrace coal and blue collar workers or will he loose the next election ?

I know he doesn't post here anymore, but it brings up a point, with SlowScoMo & Co's poor polling, is Albo the right man, will he instill enough confidence in Australians for them to vote Labor with him as leader
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: madbugger on August 30, 2021, 10:24:00 AM
Gillard was amazing....she knifed Kevin then got knifed herself
It think it’s fairly evident that her failure had nothing to do with her genitalia but more to do with lack of wisdom and policies. Remember, the Australian public didn’t sack her, her colleagues did

Slightly off topic....will Albo embrace coal and blue collar workers or will he loose the next election ?

I know he doesn't post here anymore, but it brings up a point, with SlowScoMo & Co's poor polling, is Albo the right man, will he instill enough confidence in Australians for them to vote Labor with him as leader

Amongst the current crop of politicians, all parties, reps and senate, there is not one who is half worthy of the pay packet they receive each week. Never has their been such a vacuum that has walked the corridors of power in our country. 😢😢😢
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: sizzle on August 30, 2021, 12:42:36 PM
Gillard was amazing....she knifed Kevin then got knifed herself
It think it’s fairly evident that her failure had nothing to do with her genitalia but more to do with lack of wisdom and policies. Remember, the Australian public didn’t sack her, her colleagues did

Slightly off topic....will Albo embrace coal and blue collar workers or will he loose the next election ?

I know he doesn't post here anymore, but it brings up a point, with SlowScoMo & Co's poor polling, is Albo the right man, will he instill enough confidence in Australians for them to vote Labor with him as leader

Amongst the current crop of politicians, all parties, reps and senate, there is not one who is half worthy of the pay packet they receive each week. Never has their been such a vacuum that has walked the corridors of power in our country. 😢😢😢

You haven't seen the muppets in the NT then, they make the rest look like absolute genius's
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 30, 2021, 02:03:58 PM
welcome sizzle - we don't get to hear much of the NT's politics

I am sure there is a few good ones in either Libs or ALP but they either can't coz they are in the Upper House or they are stifled by those in the leadership packs
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 30, 2021, 06:37:21 PM
Pure negligence.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/30/wilcannia-covid-outbreak-leaked-letter-shows-federal-government-was-warned-last-year-of-potential-catastrophe
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on September 04, 2021, 11:02:15 AM
No one looks at the detail anymore. And people wonder why our politicians and politics are in the gutter.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/04/political-posturing-is-turning-australias-covid-reopening-into-a-test-premiers-pass-or-fail#comment-151608556

The comments are well worth a read too.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on September 07, 2021, 09:16:28 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/07/explainer-is-each-state-in-australia-getting-its-fair-share-of-covid-vaccine-doses

Any bets on Morrison belting Qld and WA around the ears for not reaching vaccine goals quick enough to boost his election chances?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on September 08, 2021, 06:08:15 AM
It was very telling that Dan Andrews called our Greg Hunt and Gladys Berejiklian for doing under the desk deals with vaccine doses yesterday - Dan has been very cool this who epidemic, been paying with a very straight bat considering the belting he has copped from Berejiklian and the Feds

And here are the Feds calling Victoria out for failing to reach vaccine targets, all the while Hunt has been slipping Berejiklian vaccines on the sly, vaccines that should have come to Victoria

Anyone but blind Freddy can see what the Feds and Berejiklian are up to - the Feds NEED NSW votes to win the next Federal election, they know that traditionally Victoria has been a Labor stronghold, so if they try to make NSW look good and Victoria look bad then the small minded bastards think that this will swing the vote in their favour

Dan called them out to show what a bunch of pricks they are, not that anyone one was doubting it before
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on September 08, 2021, 11:15:08 AM
It was very telling that Dan Andrews called our Greg Hunt and Gladys Berejiklian for doing under the desk deals with vaccine doses yesterday - Dan has been very cool this who epidemic, been paying with a very straight bat considering the belting he has copped from Berejiklian and the Feds

And here are the Feds calling Victoria out for failing to reach vaccine targets, all the while Hunt has been slipping Berejiklian vaccines on the sly, vaccines that should have come to Victoria

Anyone but blind Freddy can see what the Feds and Berejiklian are up to - the Feds NEED NSW votes to win the next Federal election, they know that traditionally Victoria has been a Labor stronghold, so if they try to make NSW look good and Victoria look bad then the small minded bastards think that this will swing the vote in their favour

Dan called them out to show what a bunch of pricks they are, not that anyone one was doubting it before

Why should they go to Victoria when NSW has the biggest problem?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on September 08, 2021, 11:22:43 AM
To prevent what is happening in NSW. 

NSW blew it. The other states should not have to wait for 20000 cases and 130 deaths before they get their fair share.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on September 08, 2021, 12:58:25 PM
Why should they go to Victoria when NSW has the biggest problem?
Firstly NSW has a bigger problem because of poor management - putting that aside everything should be fair and equitable and it wasn't.  If it was fair and equitable why was the deal done under the table, all concerned except the NSW Premier acknowledge this FACT!!!!!!

The point I was trying to make, which was obviously lost of your narrow mindedness was that the Libs are playing big time political games to try to sure up an election win for themselves next year - they are trailing in the polls and it bothers the **** our of them, so like the typical Liberal Party, when the chips are down they play dirty and here we are again
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: skaifeman on September 08, 2021, 01:35:44 PM
Why should they go to Victoria when NSW has the biggest problem?
Firstly NSW has a bigger problem because of poor management - putting that aside everything should be fair and equitable and it wasn't.  If it was fair and equitable why was the deal done under the table, all concerned except the NSW Premier acknowledge this FACT!!!!!!

The point I was trying to make, which was obviously lost of your narrow mindedness was that the Libs are playing big time political games to try to sure up an election win for themselves next year - they are trailing in the polls and it bothers the **** our of them, so like the typical Liberal Party, when the chips are down they play dirty and here we are again

Also shown by the fact they safeguard their biggest number of voters. The over 35's. First in for the vaccine :).

(https://www.aph.gov.au/-/media/05_About_Parliament/54_Parliamentary_Depts/544_Parliamentary_Library/Flagpost/PPA/Australian-election-2019-age-vote-choice.jpg?la=en&hash=F12D919E42485CAAE1F108EE9D20D3CE2D5D4FCB)
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2019/December/The_2019_Australian_Election_Study
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on September 08, 2021, 01:45:11 PM
case in point, thanks SM
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on September 08, 2021, 07:09:56 PM
Must suck for LNP and Morrison supporters to be constantly let down by them/him at every turn.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/08/pfizer-asked-to-meet-with-greg-hunt-to-offer-millions-of-doses-but-was-offered-bureaucrat-instead
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on September 11, 2021, 09:09:34 AM
Berejiklian is a coward
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on September 12, 2021, 10:52:26 AM
Berejiklian is a coward

Surely there is some sane, logical reason as to why she's given up doing the daily pressers?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on September 12, 2021, 10:02:19 PM
Berejiklian is a coward

Surely there is some sane, logical reason as to why she's given up doing the daily pressers?

They’re embarrassing for the party and they are losing their voters.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on September 13, 2021, 05:54:34 AM
She doesn't want to answer the hard questions - pure and simple.  I reckon the media have let her off pretty easy after the pizzling that Andrews has got over the last 12 months - whether you like Andrews or not, he hasn't shirked away and hidden in a back room.  I think Gladys doesn't want to be held accountable and she is **** scared of the damage to the Liberal brand at the moment

I am a regular watcher of Insiders on ABC Sunday mornings at 9:00 am.  I was a bit pissed off yesterday to see that Waleed Aly on there, they can do better than that, but anyway Niki Savva is always interesting and yesterday was no different.  She called SloMo the 'Prime Minister of New South Wales', I let out a loud giggle  ;D ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on September 13, 2021, 11:00:08 AM
One of the reasons is Gladys is in deep do-do with ICAC. And refuses to answer any questions about it at the pressers.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on September 15, 2021, 08:28:19 PM
In spite of the fact that a few left wing socialists have declared me a conservative:

I have been an ALP supporter since I started work at 15.

For may decades, i have provided monetary support, and physical support,  to the party that I believed represented the views of the workers.

Having made that declaration, I subscribe to the well known football analogy that ALL the best players are on the same team.

My early contact was in a period where Arthur Caldwell was the leader and he seemed to subscribe to the idea that it was better to be in opposition and adhere to party principles. (This principle seems to be returning, Federally at least.)

I walked a long way to listen to Gough Whitlam whose principle was based on the principle that Labor had to be the Government to actually achieve any Labor Policy. I believed in him and still do, although he tried to do too many things too quickly and made mistakes, but honest mistakes.


Back to the current situation:

Governments, both State and Federal are selected by the people, for whatever personal reasons float their boat.

Some ALP Governments see successful at combating Covid, such as Qld and WA.

Some are doing an apparent poor job, such as the ALP Victoria and the Liberal NSW, but at least they are trying.

Unfortunately, there is no vaccine against stupidity and the stupidity of some of their population is their major drawback.

The Morrison Government ( Lib/Nat: shock horror) are doing a pretty good job too,


For some reason the Media fail to understand that countries that have huge death rates should have some priority with vaccine. (Very selfish)The same applies within Australian regions.


The Media choose to criticism for the sake of criticism and controversy. rather than look just how well it is really going in Australia.

Seeing as the highly paid Media talking heads feel they know all the answers, they should get of their respective asses and run for a pay deduction as an elected Parliamentarian and run the country.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on September 15, 2021, 10:03:23 PM
Said the bloke labeling others lefty socialists.

Death rate should not be used as a measure of priority. Doing so only causes preventable deaths. While you're busy vaxing the hot spots, the virus breaks loose in areas that have no protection at all.

Morrison is not even doing his job to say he is doing a good job.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on September 16, 2021, 05:34:59 PM
Said the bloke labeling others lefty socialists.

Death rate should not be used as a measure of priority. Doing so only causes preventable deaths. While you're busy vaxing the hot spots, the virus breaks loose in areas that have no protection at all.

Morrison is not even doing his job to say he is doing a good job.

He is to! He just got us nuclear subs  :P
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 01, 2021, 01:59:24 PM
And She's outta there!

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/01/nsw-premier-gladys-berejiklian-resigns-after-icac-announces-investigation
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on October 01, 2021, 04:09:23 PM
What's that saying the right like to throw around? "what are you worried about if you have nothing to hide"?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on October 01, 2021, 04:19:51 PM
And She's outta there!

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/01/nsw-premier-gladys-berejiklian-resigns-after-icac-announces-investigation

About ****ing time! Her face screams corruption.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 03, 2021, 10:01:56 AM
They had Sharri Markson on Sunrise yesterday who suggested that ICAC wouldn't be investigating Gladys if she was a bloke.


Errrr, ICAC have brought down plenty of those in the past.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 03, 2021, 01:16:30 PM
Gladys resignation bears fruit. Andrew Constance has quit.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 03, 2021, 01:18:50 PM
They had Sharri Markson on Sunrise yesterday who suggested that ICAC wouldn't be investigating Gladys if she was a bloke.


Errrr, ICAC have brought down plenty of those in the past.

ICAC took down the Male premier that setup the commision. Nick Greiner
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 03, 2021, 01:47:00 PM
Gladys resignation bears fruit. Andrew Constance has quit.

Only to have stand for the next Federal election.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 03, 2021, 02:16:15 PM
Gladys resignation bears fruit. Andrew Constance has quit.

Only to have stand for the next Federal election.
That's alright, just happy to see he won't be NSW's transport minister anymore.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 03, 2021, 04:52:16 PM
I'm a little surprised that Brad Hazzard or the price minister bloke haven't thrown their hat into the ring as yet.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on October 04, 2021, 03:01:00 AM
I thought Hazzard was a shoe-in, I felt for sure he would be in the running.  Maybe people in his Party think the same way as we do about him  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on October 04, 2021, 03:04:47 AM
Said the bloke labeling others lefty socialists.

Death rate should not be used as a measure of priority. Doing so only causes preventable deaths. While you're busy vaxing the hot spots, the virus breaks loose in areas that have no protection at all.

Morrison is not even doing his job to say he is doing a good job.

He is to! He just got us nuclear subs  :P
I saw an interesting take on this whole submarine thing yesterday, subs are almost a thing of the past, the writer said that the next conflict will be done by drone, air, land and water drones. I reckon they are right, look at what the USA is doing with them already,

The writer said they are cheap and don't cost lives of the aggressor and that makes lots of sense
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on October 04, 2021, 07:17:02 AM
I'm a little surprised that Brad Hazzard or the price minister bloke haven't thrown their hat into the ring as yet.
Too abrasive and argumentative. It's looking like Dominic Perrottet will be the next Premier of NSW, just to let the anti-Gladys types realise that you have to be careful what you wish for. She was to the left of the Moderate faction in the Libs, while 39 y.o. RC father of six Perrottet is well on the right of the Conservative Right faction. Chris Minns, the relatively new leader of State Labor is looking better all the time.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 04, 2021, 08:36:04 AM
I'm a little surprised that Brad Hazzard or the price minister bloke haven't thrown their hat into the ring as yet.
Too abrasive and argumentative. It's looking like Dominic Perrottet will be the next Premier of NSW, just to let the anti-Gladys types realise that you have to be careful what you wish for. She was to the left of the Moderate faction in the Libs, while 39 y.o. RC father of six Perrottet is well on the right of the Conservative Right faction. Chris Minns, the relatively new leader of State Labor is looking better all the time.

That's the Labor leader?

I've either not being paying attention or NSW Labor haven't really been out there pushing their cause?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on October 04, 2021, 08:46:28 AM
Yes, and watching the Coalition, he doesn't need to do much right now. John Barilaro, Deputy Premier and state leader of the Nats announcing today that he's resigning too.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on October 04, 2021, 09:44:57 AM
I've heard Perrottet is quite anti-Science, but how much?  Is it going to be a challenge to pursue climate targets for example?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 04, 2021, 01:03:54 PM
Awww poor John Barilaro being picked on by a youtube user was the last straw? Or the jig is up on the NSW LNP protection racket.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 04, 2021, 01:18:39 PM
Said the bloke labeling others lefty socialists.

Death rate should not be used as a measure of priority. Doing so only causes preventable deaths. While you're busy vaxing the hot spots, the virus breaks loose in areas that have no protection at all.

Morrison is not even doing his job to say he is doing a good job.

He is to! He just got us nuclear subs  :P
I saw an interesting take on this whole submarine thing yesterday, subs are almost a thing of the past, the writer said that the next conflict will be done by drone, air, land and water drones. I reckon they are right, look at what the USA is doing with them already,

The writer said they are cheap and don't cost lives of the aggressor and that makes lots of sense

Probably truth to that. US Sub technology was one of the DODs most closely guarded secrets. Now they seem happy to share. They wouldn't do that if was still a strategic advantage.

We're decades away from our own fleet anyway. I wouldn't be surprised the AUKUS was just fluff to get out of the French deal and allow US sub patrol our waters through a lease deal.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 04, 2021, 01:38:33 PM
Awww poor John Barilaro being picked on by a youtube user was the last straw? Or the jig is up on the NSW LNP protection racket.

Did he resign on his own free will or did he get a tap on the shoulder by ICAC?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on October 04, 2021, 02:19:53 PM
Awww poor John Barilaro being picked on by a youtube user was the last straw? Or the jig is up on the NSW LNP protection racket.

Did he resign on his own free will or did he get a tap on the shoulder by ICAC?

Either way he's just protecting his Super...   ;)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 04, 2021, 03:05:40 PM
Awww poor John Barilaro being picked on by a youtube user was the last straw? Or the jig is up on the NSW LNP protection racket.

Did he resign on his own free will or did he get a tap on the shoulder by ICAC?

I'm betting, like Gladys, the tap came from the party room.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on October 04, 2021, 04:39:46 PM
There was no tap from the party room. There may have been one or two people from the Right who would rather have a more conservative leader than the moderate Gladys, but no tap. Quite the opposite, actually. The party was as surprised as most of us. If there was a tap on the shoulder, it's more likely to have come from her new boyfriend, Arthur Moses QC who represented her at ICAC last year. and certainly knows how ICAC, Crime Commissions and other such bodies operate. Once ICAC called again, he probably suggested it would be better not to be the Premier and facing ICAC at the same time. My guess is that she listened to a few trusted confidantes and decided on her own - but saying it wasn't her decision was a silly thing to say and she did herself no favours with that one.   
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 04, 2021, 05:47:32 PM
So it is probably is true, Bruz is having a mid-life meltdown.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on October 04, 2021, 06:43:54 PM
Probably. He said he is. I can't say that I pay much attention to what the Nats are doing, whether in State or Federal politics. Kind-of hear whatever they're saying in the news, shake head, move on...
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on October 04, 2021, 10:02:53 PM
Awww poor John Barilaro being picked on by a youtube user was the last straw? Or the jig is up on the NSW LNP protection racket.

Did he resign on his own free will or did he get a tap on the shoulder by ICAC?

Either way he's just protecting his Super...   ;)

I don't know, but the ex-premier give up a big heap of taxpayer funded benefits by not waiting for 5 years as NSW Premier, a mere few months away.,
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 04, 2021, 11:22:41 PM
Probably. He said he is. I can't say that I pay much attention to what the Nats are doing, whether in State or Federal politics. Kind-of hear whatever they're saying in the news, shake head, move on...

That being said, who's next in line as Nationals leader?

I can only think of Kevin Anderson or Adam Marshall throwing their Akubras (or Brigalows) in the ring.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on October 05, 2021, 05:53:33 AM
Whilst not my State I did find it interesting that Barilaro is walking away too, is it because the main contender for the Libs leadership is an Abbott clone?  Far right? and Barilaro sees the relationship as not working
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on October 05, 2021, 08:39:57 AM
Dropping like flies!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on October 07, 2021, 08:18:38 AM
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victorian-opposition-leader-matthew-guy-calls-for-daniel-andrews-to-resign-amid-ibac-investigation/news-story/2df563e21ca751185caf3a61aa6f3389 (https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victorian-opposition-leader-matthew-guy-calls-for-daniel-andrews-to-resign-amid-ibac-investigation/news-story/2df563e21ca751185caf3a61aa6f3389)

So, should Andrews resign, or is this different because he is labor?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 07, 2021, 09:08:27 AM
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victorian-opposition-leader-matthew-guy-calls-for-daniel-andrews-to-resign-amid-ibac-investigation/news-story/2df563e21ca751185caf3a61aa6f3389 (https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victorian-opposition-leader-matthew-guy-calls-for-daniel-andrews-to-resign-amid-ibac-investigation/news-story/2df563e21ca751185caf3a61aa6f3389)

So, should Andrews resign, or is this different because he is labor?

It's different because he's a bloke, and the sexist anti corruption boards don't investigate them. That's if you believe some of the Sky News and NewsCorp peanuts that truly believe that.


On another note, from the five minutes I've seen of Dominic Perrotet, (or Perentie as mum put him), he comes across as a decent, genuine dude, despite his strong beliefs, unlike ScoMo, whose attempts at relatabilility just seem false.

It's good to see a younger bunch in charge, even though him being 39, makes him only 10 years older than me. It is something that seems to be lacking in the halls of parliament, so if Dom goes well, hopefully it encourages a few more younger folk to enter the ring.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on October 07, 2021, 10:25:44 AM
I agree with you about having some young blood in politics, I think it is needed

As for Andrews, I am not sure what they are investigating him for, I understand it is to do with the fire brigades and a deal, but not sure of the nitty-gritty detail - whereas with Gladys, all her dirty washing was hung on the line last year, so it is pretty obvious why she is being investigated, just listen to some of the phone calls, I am surprised it has taken this long.

I have in favour of a Federal ICAC, we need to 'keep the bastards honest' (to quote the great Democrats leader Don Chipp)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on October 07, 2021, 09:51:39 PM
Tim Smith popped up on Facebook the other day with more allegations of Labor corruption (later on in video from memory.

https://fb.watch/8uyvw6noh1/

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on October 08, 2021, 06:29:52 AM
Tim Smith is the George Christensen of Victorian politics - nothing more to be said
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on October 08, 2021, 09:55:56 AM
Tim Smith is the George Christensen of Victorian politics - nothing more to be said

I watched the whole video, he made some very valid points, but of course nothing to see here ???
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on October 08, 2021, 10:34:50 AM
Tim Smith is the George Christensen of Victorian politics - nothing more to be said

No surprise with your reply. Corruption is throughput every party and until we have some new blood from those that have morals and that will work for the people it and not their wallets it will always be poisoned through all political ranks!

Corruption is corruption and any politician should stand down without pay until investigated and cleared.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 21, 2021, 04:33:00 PM
Eddie and Ian are off to the grey bar motel for an extended stay.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/eddie-obeid-and-ian-macdonald-jailed-over-conspiracy/100557192
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on October 21, 2021, 05:14:44 PM
My cousins son in law and son work on Eddies farm, I guess they won't be seeing him for a while longer
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 24, 2021, 02:35:30 PM
United Australia are now Australia's largest party by membership?

How?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on October 24, 2021, 04:44:07 PM
United Australia are now Australia's largest party by membership
How?

Did they count heads?    :P
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on January 03, 2022, 02:57:03 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-03/morrison-resists-free-rapid-antigen-testing-for-covid/100735518

If I may recycle the old classic; "If you drink and drive, you're a bloody idiot". If you vote Morrison/LNP you really are a bloody idiot.

WTF! We are paying you flipp'n muppet. 300% mark-up for a single Covid rapid antigen test. This is not like welfare or infrastructure spending where is only goes to a certain portion of the community. WE ALL NEED THE TEST!!!

Kevin Rudd nailed it "Morrison is RATf***ing Australians"