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Title: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 13, 2021, 04:42:48 PM
Might as well kick it off  :(
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 13, 2021, 04:44:49 PM
Well, what a great socialist budget
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: vipernz on May 13, 2021, 04:57:50 PM
Ok, before you get 40 pages deep, yeah I remember the last effort on the old Forum... lol

What is the difference in layman's terms for us foreign folk. I haven't really got the gist of who is who in the Aussie sandpit. Might help better understand what you lot are going on about... (maybe)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 13, 2021, 05:07:33 PM
Ok, before you get 40 pages deep, yeah I remember the last effort on the old Forum... lol

What is the difference in layman's terms for us foreign folk. I haven't really got the gist of who is who in the Aussie sandpit. Might help better understand what you lot are going on about... (maybe)
.

Our Labor Party (ALP) is the same as your Labour Pary with Jacinta, the ALP leader is currently Anthony Albense (Albo)

Our Liberal Party (LP) is the current Government and is led by Scott Morrison, our current Prime Minister (aka ScoMo or Scotty from Marketing)

The National Party (NP) has had several names, they are in a coalition relationship with the LP, so they are in Government at the moment as well, they are 'supposed' to represent the interests of regional and remote Australians,who cares who they are led by, although he is Deputy Prime Minister

The Greens are the same as your Greens and no-one cares about them - they are irrelevant LOL
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 13, 2021, 06:51:36 PM
Ok, before you get 40 pages deep, yeah I remember the last effort on the old Forum... lol

What is the difference in layman's terms for us foreign folk. I haven't really got the gist of who is who in the Aussie sandpit. Might help better understand what you lot are going on about... (maybe)

they are identical, just go about robbing you blind in different fashion is all :)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Tickford8 on May 13, 2021, 07:08:03 PM
Ok, before you get 40 pages deep, yeah I remember the last effort on the old Forum... lol

What is the difference in layman's terms for us foreign folk. I haven't really got the gist of who is who in the Aussie sandpit. Might help better understand what you lot are going on about... (maybe)
.

Our Labor Party (ALP) is the same as your Labour Pary with Jacinta, the ALP leader is currently Anthony Albense (Albo)

Our Liberal Party (LP) is the current Government and is led by Scott Morrison, our current Prime Minister (aka ScoMo or Scotty from Marketing)

The National Party (NP) has had several names, they are in a coalition relationship with the LP, so they are in Government at the moment as well, they are 'supposed' to represent the interests of regional and remote Australians,who cares who they are led by, although he is Deputy Prime Minister

The Greens are the same as your Greens and no-one cares about them - they are irrelevant LOL
Arent the Greens and Labor a coalition??  :)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 13, 2021, 07:37:46 PM
Ok, before you get 40 pages deep, yeah I remember the last effort on the old Forum... lol

What is the difference in layman's terms for us foreign folk. I haven't really got the gist of who is who in the Aussie sandpit. Might help better understand what you lot are going on about... (maybe)
.

Our Labor Party (ALP) is the same as your Labour Pary with Jacinta, the ALP leader is currently Anthony Albense (Albo)

Our Liberal Party (LP) is the current Government and is led by Scott Morrison, our current Prime Minister (aka ScoMo or Scotty from Marketing)

The National Party (NP) has had several names, they are in a coalition relationship with the LP, so they are in Government at the moment as well, they are 'supposed' to represent the interests of regional and remote Australians,who cares who they are led by, although he is Deputy Prime Minister

The Greens are the same as your Greens and no-one cares about them - they are irrelevant LOL
Arent the Greens and Labor a coalition??  :)

there will be no coalition under the government I lead... ;) :P LOL
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 13, 2021, 10:11:01 PM
there will be no coalition under the government I lead... ;) :P LOL

OMG, can you tell me how many Greens were in the Lower House when that was said?  Remember the Lower House is where the Government sits, where it has control
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 14, 2021, 04:46:57 PM
there will be no coalition under the government I lead... ;) :P LOL

OMG, can you tell me how many Greens were in the Lower House when that was said?  Remember the Lower House is where the Government sits, where it has control

So who introduced and approved it in the lower house then if it wasn't the gov that she 'led'? Bottom line remains that she was the one in the top seat at the time and bears responsibility for it!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 14, 2021, 05:15:00 PM
Answer the question. How many Greens made up this alleged 'coalition' in the Lower House?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 14, 2021, 08:03:47 PM
Answer the question. How many Greens made up this alleged 'coalition' in the Lower House?

First up, I never said Greens anywhere. That is an assumption on your part Trev.

Next, google isn't very forthcoming in an answer to your question but from your tone I imagine you have an answer?

Julia made a deal with the devil (whoever they may have been) to form a minority government. That means she made a coalition government.

As simple as that.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 14, 2021, 10:08:24 PM
the answer is ONE - the Greens made a big song and dance about it, the right media, fed by the Libs picked up on it and ran with it

One Google search and I go it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Australian_federal_election

Quote
The 2010 Australian federal election was held on Saturday, 21 August 2010 to elect members of the 43rd Parliament of Australia. The incumbent centre-left Australian Labor Party led by Prime Minister Julia Gillard won a second term against the opposition centre-right Liberal Party of Australia led by Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and Coalition partner the National Party of Australia, led by Warren Truss, after Labor formed a minority government with the support of three independent MPs and one Australian Greens MP

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 14, 2021, 10:11:04 PM
First up, I never said Greens anywhere. That is an assumption on your part Trev.

the inference was there from the previous post, and to be truthful I actually thought the previous post was yours
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 14, 2021, 10:18:13 PM
First up, I never said Greens anywhere. That is an assumption on your part Trev.

the inference was there from the previous post, and to be truthful I actually thought the previous post was yours

all good Trev. from my end it was simply a play on what JG said, I have no time for any side of politics. just like choosing cancer or a stroke to kill you.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 15, 2021, 12:21:02 AM
Gillards government wasn't a coalition. The 3 independants and one green agreed to maintain supply to Gillard ALP government. That made it possible for the ALP to form government.

The ALP had to negitiate with those 4 to get any new legislation passed. Gillard did it so well the ALP never lost a vote on the floor.

Other than both sides being political parties, they are not the same. They have very different policies and agendas.  One party thrives on this ignorence and it is why it has remained in power.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 15, 2021, 07:10:05 AM
There was more legislation passed in her term as PM than at any time before - says a lot about her ability to get the job done, unlike the incompetents in place now

History will show her as an effective PM, whilst I don't agree with how she became PM, I think she did a good job while she was

Abbott and the right media made sure she wouldn't last
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 15, 2021, 08:08:44 PM
There was more legislation passed in her term as PM than at any time before - says a lot about her ability to get the job done, unlike the incompetents in place now

History will show her as an effective PM, whilst I don't agree with how she became PM, I think she did a good job while she was

Abbott and the right media made sure she wouldn't last

not going to get agreement on JG and that's cool... but I have heard the line about "more legislation passed" a number of times now in different discussions about her and so I went googling to find out exactly what it is that she achieved... bottom line? I can't find anything that anyone has done. You would think that there would be a list of what legislation has gone through? both sides bragging rights etc but?? maybe I am asking google the question in a wrong fashion but I'm just not getting any answers.

do you know of any list anywhere that I can look through to see what is attributed to her time with the golden hammer?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 15, 2021, 11:39:38 PM
Obviously didn't look that hard. NDIS, carbon price, royal commision into child abuse...

https://theconversation.com/labors-legacy-six-years-of-what-exactly-17526
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 16, 2021, 03:59:07 AM
wasn't too hard, go to the bottom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillard_Government#:~:text=Major%20policy%20initiatives%20of%20the,the%20National%20Disability%20Insurance%20Scheme.

an another one:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jun/28/australia-productive-prime-minister
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 16, 2021, 07:54:45 PM
Obviously didn't look that hard. NDIS, carbon price, royal commision into child abuse...

https://theconversation.com/labors-legacy-six-years-of-what-exactly-17526

still no list.. a generic "yeah we did stuff" isn't what I am looking for.

I want to see the list of what was actually done
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 16, 2021, 07:57:43 PM
wasn't too hard, go to the bottom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillard_Government#:~:text=Major%20policy%20initiatives%20of%20the,the%20National%20Disability%20Insurance%20Scheme.

an another one:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jun/28/australia-productive-prime-minister

same as above, neither of these carry any list of what was passed. there has to be a record of it somewhere?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on May 17, 2021, 08:12:04 AM
There was more legislation passed in her term as PM than at any time before - says a lot about her ability to get the job done, unlike the incompetents in place now

History will show her as an effective PM, whilst I don't agree with how she became PM, I think she did a good job while she was

Abbott and the right media made sure she wouldn't last

Most Australians disagree and even the Labor party thought she was a liability. That's why they stabbed her in the back and put Rudd back in, as an attempt to reduce the amount of damage, before the landslide win to the Coalition in 2013.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 17, 2021, 09:18:54 AM
There was more legislation passed in her term as PM than at any time before - says a lot about her ability to get the job done, unlike the incompetents in place now

History will show her as an effective PM, whilst I don't agree with how she became PM, I think she did a good job while she was

Abbott and the right media made sure she wouldn't last

Most Australians disagree and even the Labor party thought she was a liability. That's why they stabbed her in the back and put Rudd back in, as an attempt to reduce the amount of damage, before the landslide win to the Coalition in 2013.
they never thought she was a liability to get stuff done, she was shafted by Rudd who just couldn't let go that he was dumped, add to that he had Abbott and the right media helping knife her

History will show she was an effective PM, but my belief still stands - Australia was not, or is still not ready for a female PM
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 17, 2021, 09:19:28 AM
wasn't too hard, go to the bottom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillard_Government#:~:text=Major%20policy%20initiatives%20of%20the,the%20National%20Disability%20Insurance%20Scheme.

an another one:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jun/28/australia-productive-prime-minister

same as above, neither of these carry any list of what was passed. there has to be a record of it somewhere?
did you scroll to the bottom where the legislation was listed?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 18, 2021, 12:20:23 AM
Obviously didn't look that hard. NDIS, carbon price, royal commision into child abuse...

https://theconversation.com/labors-legacy-six-years-of-what-exactly-17526

still no list.. a generic "yeah we did stuff" isn't what I am looking for.

I want to see the list of what was actually done

So because you can't find it, it never happened...  LOL!  Trevors Wiki link lists plenty of policy.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 18, 2021, 08:54:10 AM
Obviously didn't look that hard. NDIS, carbon price, royal commision into child abuse...

https://theconversation.com/labors-legacy-six-years-of-what-exactly-17526

still no list.. a generic "yeah we did stuff" isn't what I am looking for.

I want to see the list of what was actually done

So because you can't find it, it never happened...  LOL!  Trevors Wiki link lists plenty of policy.

never said that Albert, simply asked the question...

folk these days can't handle a request for info!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 20, 2021, 01:08:47 PM
Gillard was amazing....she knifed Kevin then got knifed herself
It think it’s fairly evident that her failure had nothing to do with her genitalia but more to do with lack of wisdom and policies. Remember, the Australian public didn’t sack her, her colleagues did

Slightly off topic....will Albo embrace coal and blue collar workers or will he loose the next election ?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 20, 2021, 02:10:27 PM
G'day Mick and welcome back

Hope life has been good for you
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 20, 2021, 02:37:24 PM
its been awesome thanks Trev
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 20, 2021, 03:17:19 PM
That's good, glad to hear it

Things are cruising along nicely for me as well
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 20, 2021, 08:50:39 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/victorian-budget-2021-business-tax-for-mental-health-spending/100149362

So this government who slaughtered business with stupid lock downs now want to tax them even more ?

Communism in the making folks
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on May 21, 2021, 11:41:09 PM
Our labor party is just as bad as the liberals. Worse in Vic and Qld. We are ****ed either way until the rich dinosaurs go and we get another genuine hard working Aussie.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 22, 2021, 11:40:40 AM
Stop voting for them. The major party's are only complacent because no matter how pissed off people are, they keep voting the same way every election.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 22, 2021, 12:55:30 PM
Our labor party is just as bad as the liberals. Worse in Vic and Qld. We are ****ed either way until the rich dinosaurs go and we get another genuine hard working Aussie.

It’s weird eh ?....a few months ago I became a paid member of the state ALP because my local representative is a conservative and our state government has gone left
The honerable Clare Scriven MP is a fantastic lady who has stood strong against attacks from both sides recently
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 24, 2021, 11:56:05 PM
This is what happens when the people give up on politics. Corruption goes unnoticed.

 https://youtu.be/awUhgOou6_Q
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 25, 2021, 01:28:56 PM
This is what happens when the people give up on politics. Corruption goes unnoticed.

 https://youtu.be/awUhgOou6_Q

Boy he is angry ..... so why is she so popular?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 26, 2021, 01:14:27 AM
Ignorance is bliss.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on May 26, 2021, 08:33:50 AM
This is what happens when the people give up on politics. Corruption goes unnoticed.

 https://youtu.be/awUhgOou6_Q

Given how the by election in NSW went on the weekend, the voting public are more than willing to overlook alleged corruption, alleged rapes and assaults by MPs and staffers, and the ignorance of allegedly corrupt spouses.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 26, 2021, 11:04:10 AM
This is what happens when the people give up on politics. Corruption goes unnoticed.

 https://youtu.be/awUhgOou6_Q

Given how the by election in NSW went on the weekend, the voting public are more than willing to overlook alleged corruption, alleged rapes and assaults by MPs and staffers, and the ignorance of allegedly corrupt spouses.


the opposition must be BAD !!!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 26, 2021, 05:25:23 PM
The people just don't care anymore. Corruption and lies have been normalised. There was a time MP were sacked or stood down if they were not fit for office. Now it's business as usual.

Also the NSW opposition get f'all mention in the media for good or bad.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 26, 2021, 05:31:59 PM
Obviously didn't look that hard. NDIS, carbon price, royal commision into child abuse...

https://theconversation.com/labors-legacy-six-years-of-what-exactly-17526

still no list.. a generic "yeah we did stuff" isn't what I am looking for.

I want to see the list of what was actually done

So because you can't find it, it never happened...  LOL!  Trevors Wiki link lists plenty of policy.

never said that Albert, simply asked the question...

folk these days can't handle a request for info!

You were provided the information. You rejected it.  :o ;)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 27, 2021, 05:56:07 PM
Why don’t they make ALP members like Joel Fitzgibbon (spelling I know) anymore....he is standing up for the blue collar workers not the woke inner city greenies
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 28, 2021, 07:08:43 PM
Welp, NSW Labor are getting a new leader, Jodie McKay quit.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 28, 2021, 08:37:47 PM
Welp, NSW Labor are getting a new leader, Jodie McKay quit.

Great news
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: vipernz on May 31, 2021, 01:22:15 PM
So not only do you have to put up with plonkers on a federal level but also on a state level as well?

God Aussie politics is worse that NZ any day buy the looks... we just have 1 commie party to deal with.

And yeah, think Albert says, stop voting for them.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on May 31, 2021, 06:14:34 PM
A lot of aussies think that Jacinta is an Australian politician

I was chatting to some kiwis recently who said that NZ are in a precarious position with there trade with China and getting dumped by the allied nations...is that your take on the situation?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: vipernz on June 04, 2021, 03:53:51 PM
On face value it looks like we are sucking up to the Chinese and pissing off the mates we had... I did hear that Scott got rather verbal about it and put the boot in.. fair too

I say dont forget your mates... one day you will need them and it isn't like we can defend our own arses in these parts.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 11, 2021, 11:38:52 PM
I just laugh at all the "China are bad" stuff.   Aussie Corporations and Government turned to China because it's cheaper. They turned to them to save them money and make bigger profit for themselves. The consumer wants everything for nothing and stopped supporting local manufacturing. China is not moving in on us, we are moving towards China.

As for our "mates"/"allied nations", they are doing the exact same thing.

Labor or LNP, left or right, Liberal or Conservative. trade with China is now inevitable.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on June 12, 2021, 12:11:28 AM
I just laugh at all the "China are bad" stuff.   Aussie Corporations and Government turned to China because it's cheaper. They turned to them to save them money and make bigger profit for themselves. The consumer wants everything for nothing and stopped supporting local manufacturing. China is not moving in on us, we are moving towards China.

As for our "mates"/"allied nations", they are doing the exact same thing.

Labor or LNP, left or right, Liberal or Conservative. trade with China is now inevitable.

That’s right, we can’t blame one party for China taking over everything here or filling the country with cheap garbage products, this has been happening for over 20 years.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 12, 2021, 12:24:25 AM
It's not China filling the country with cheap garbage. It's the Australian companies bringing it in. China manufacturing is good if not better than most other countries. It all depends on what you pay for what you want made and the quality control. We get garbage because they are asked to make garbage for the cheapest possible price.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 13, 2021, 05:16:15 PM
It's not China filling the country with cheap garbage. It's the Australian companies bringing it in. China manufacturing is good if not better than most other countries. It all depends on what you pay for what you want made and the quality control. We get garbage because they are asked to make garbage for the cheapest possible price.

ever driven an LDV ?
chinese manufacturing is terrible from worker benefits to quality, not to mention what they are doing to the enviroment...interesting the same people supporting us bowing down the communist are the same crying about the mystical global warming
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 14, 2021, 02:03:59 AM
You get what you pay for. LDV are half the price of some other makes.

The only way China is moving in is Australians are letting them in, our economy is linked to trade with China. LNP is big on free trade. That's the reality of it.

The ones complaining about China are also the ones supporting coal and ore mining. Both industries would collapse if China wasn't buying our resources. They are also the ones playing on peoples xenophobia and racism.

I got a laugh out of your concern for what China is doing to the environment only to go on to claim global warming is a myth.  ;)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 14, 2021, 05:11:41 PM
Happy to hear that the very talented Peta Credlin has become a winner on the queens birthday list
Peta Credlin AO
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 14, 2021, 05:45:04 PM
Who? :P
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on June 14, 2021, 09:29:04 PM
Credlin's award makes a mockery of the whole system.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 15, 2021, 02:14:08 PM
Credlin's award makes a mockery of the whole system.

WHY ?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on June 15, 2021, 03:59:19 PM
Well let's see...
She makes stuff up every night to put fear into our elderly people.
An Officer of the Order of Australia is usually a person of high regard who has been, or is still, outstanding in their field of expertise and does great things for Australia and possibly the world. Think Doctors and scientists who tackle horrible diseases and come up with solutions.
Credlin almost single handedly destroyed Tony Abbott and his party. Some may say that's a good thing but I would disagree. We desperately need strong politicians and parties on both sides of the divide.
She isolated Abbott from his party and his family and reshaped the Liberal Party into the absolute shemozzle it is today.
She allowed the rise of people such as Morrison and Dutton, both of whom have a lot to answer for.
She meddled in pre-selections ensuring that gays or gay supporters, equal marriage rights people and others were not able to be selected by the Liberals to run for parliament.

It's probably entirely her fault that the happy clappers are now running the country into the ground.

That's WHY!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 15, 2021, 06:25:32 PM
Well let's see...
She makes stuff up every night to put fear into our elderly people.
An Officer of the Order of Australia is usually a person of high regard who has been, or is still, outstanding in their field of expertise and does great things for Australia and possibly the world. Think Doctors and scientists who tackle horrible diseases and come up with solutions.
Credlin almost single handedly destroyed Tony Abbott and his party. Some may say that's a good thing but I would disagree. We desperately need strong politicians and parties on both sides of the divide.
She isolated Abbott from his party and his family and reshaped the Liberal Party into the absolute shemozzle it is today.
She allowed the rise of people such as Morrison and Dutton, both of whom have a lot to answer for.
She meddled in pre-selections ensuring that gays or gay supporters, equal marriage rights people and others were not able to be selected by the Liberals to run for parliament.

It's probably entirely her fault that the happy clappers are now running the country into the ground.

That's WHY!

What evidence do you have for any of that ?…surely if she did what you have accused her of doing, Tony Abbott would not be a close friend of hers ?
What does she make up every night ?

On a side note…the south Australian liberal government has just denied membership to some 500 Pentecostal Christians ….. is that what you want ?….
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 15, 2021, 08:10:57 PM
Better question is what has she done to make Australia a better place, worthy of an Order of OZ?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on June 15, 2021, 08:43:56 PM
Better question is what has she done to make Australia a better place, worthy of an Order of OZ?

That's a simple answer Albert.
Absolutely nothing.  :)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 07:42:09 AM
Better question is what has she done to make Australia a better place, worthy of an Order of OZ?

That's a simple answer Albert.
Absolutely nothing.  :)

still just an opinion and zero facts LG ?
id suggest she has done alot more than most Alby
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on June 16, 2021, 08:21:30 AM
And that's an opinion. No facts to back it up...   ;)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 09:23:21 AM
Better question is what has she done to make Australia a better place, worthy of an Order of OZ?

That's a simple answer Albert.
Absolutely nothing.  :)

still just an opinion and zero facts LG ?
id suggest she has done alot more than most Alby

Such as..?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 11:15:06 AM
https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/7295338/peta-credlin-the-accidental-political-warrior-lands-queens-birthday-honour/

interesting thing about Peta is the left said some absolute horrid things about her....a fringe group said "ditch the witch" towards Gillard and they were labled sexist
she has been put through the ringer, yet has stood tall
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on June 16, 2021, 01:36:30 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/bvDWqpH0/Credlin.jpg)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 01:52:18 PM
https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/7295338/peta-credlin-the-accidental-political-warrior-lands-queens-birthday-honour/

interesting thing about Peta is the left said some absolute horrid things about her....a fringe group said "ditch the witch" towards Gillard and they were labled sexist
she has been put through the ringer, yet has stood tall


That fringe group that was the LNP front bench. With Tony Abbott front and center. Where was Credlin sticking up for women in politics then?

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 06:00:07 PM
https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/7295338/peta-credlin-the-accidental-political-warrior-lands-queens-birthday-honour/

interesting thing about Peta is the left said some absolute horrid things about her....a fringe group said "ditch the witch" towards Gillard and they were labled sexist
she has been put through the ringer, yet has stood tall


That fringe group that was the LNP front bench. With Tony Abbott front and center. Where was Credlin sticking up for women in politics then?

That’s not true at all…Gillard tried use the sexual discrimination card and failed miserably….even her own party didn’t buy it, so they kicked her out :)
Watch the Credlin report and you will see her sticking up for many woman….unlike many on both sides
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 06:01:45 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/bvDWqpH0/Credlin.jpg)

If that nonsense was posted about any female in the ALP, you would be called a misogynist…. But because it’s a liberal leader it’s open season

Very sad
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 06:33:28 PM
https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/7295338/peta-credlin-the-accidental-political-warrior-lands-queens-birthday-honour/

interesting thing about Peta is the left said some absolute horrid things about her....a fringe group said "ditch the witch" towards Gillard and they were labled sexist
she has been put through the ringer, yet has stood tall


That fringe group that was the LNP front bench. With Tony Abbott front and center. Where was Credlin sticking up for women in politics then?

That’s not true at all…Gillard tried use the sexual discrimination card and failed miserably….even her own party didn’t buy it, so they kicked her out :)
Watch the Credlin report and you will see her sticking up for many woman….unlike many on both sides

Why would I watch such biased garbage. If what you say is true, that she sticks up for many women. Why not all? You can't lecture us about how we treat Credlin when you put the boot into Gillard. That called being a hypocrite. :)

Pesky modern technology, recording everything... I do believe that is Abbott and several of his front bench. Before you claim this wasn't their doing. They stood up there and made no effort to distance themselves from it.

(https://eightyfish.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/r738936_6026149.jpg)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 06:38:15 PM
https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/7295338/peta-credlin-the-accidental-political-warrior-lands-queens-birthday-honour/

interesting thing about Peta is the left said some absolute horrid things about her....a fringe group said "ditch the witch" towards Gillard and they were labled sexist
she has been put through the ringer, yet has stood tall


That fringe group that was the LNP front bench. With Tony Abbott front and center. Where was Credlin sticking up for women in politics then?

That’s not true at all…Gillard tried use the sexual discrimination card and failed miserably….even her own party didn’t buy it, so they kicked her out :)
Watch the Credlin report and you will see her sticking up for many woman….unlike many on both sides

Why would I watch such biased garbage. If what you say is true, that she sticks up for many women. Why not all? You can't lecture us about how we treat Credlin when you put the boot into Gillard. That called being a hypocrite. :)

Pesky modern technology, recording everything... I do believe that is Abbott and several of his front bench. Before you claim this wasn't their doing. They stood up there and made no effort to distance themselves from it.

(https://eightyfish.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/r738936_6026149.jpg)

Lol…I think you missed my point mate on the hypocrite thing
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 06:40:21 PM
You claim Credlin cops abuse yet stands tall and should be hailed for it. You compare her to how Gillard was treated. Gillard stood up for herself in parliament and yet is a failure.

No, I don't think I've missed the point.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 06:52:46 PM
The old forum might be gone but we remember what you posted. ;)

What did I post ?…Gillard was one of our worst PM’s ….had nothing to do with her sex but her lack of policies  and leadership
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 07:02:52 PM
The old forum might be gone but we remember what you posted. ;)

What did I post ?…Gillard was one of our worst PM’s ….had nothing to do with her sex but her lack of policies  and leadership

Not agreeing with Credlin getting an OA has nothing to do with sex. It has everything to do with here policies and actions. It was you that assumed it had anything to do with her sex.

The Gillard lead Labor government passed more legislation and policy than any other government before and so far after it. As for leadership. Every past PM after her has suffered the same fate.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 07:06:28 PM
The old forum might be gone but we remember what you posted. ;)

What did I post ?…Gillard was one of our worst PM’s ….had nothing to do with her sex but her lack of policies  and leadership

Not agreeing with Credlin getting an OA has nothing to do with sex. It has everything to do with here policies and actions. It was you that assumed it had anything to do with her sex.

The Gillard lead Labor government passed more legislation and policy than any other government before and so far after it. As for leadership. Every past PM after her has suffered the same fate.

Yet her own party that you support booted her ?….imagine what they would done if she was any good !!!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 07:12:22 PM
You support the LNP, they did it twice. They can't be any good either.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 07:13:54 PM
You support the LNP, they did it twice. They can't be any good either.

Twice to who ?….
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 07:30:20 PM
There's got to be a youtube video you can google to catch up.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 07:42:21 PM
There's got to be a youtube video you can google to catch up.

Sorry mate, you have lost me :(

But some good news, finally got my ALP a member card today
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 07:52:22 PM
Welp, they say the memory is the first to go. :P  Search Liberal leadership spill.

I don't have any political membership cards.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 07:57:05 PM
Welp, they say the memory is the first to go. :P  Search Liberal leadership spill.

I don't have any political membership cards.

Not sure they have to do Julia ?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 16, 2021, 08:06:12 PM
In english please.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 16, 2021, 08:55:33 PM
I thought we were discussing Julia Gillard demise and how if it was sexist then the problem is/was in the ALP as they booted her from office
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on June 17, 2021, 06:43:18 AM
I thought we were discussing Julia Gillard demise and how if it was sexist then the problem is/was in the ALP as they booted her from office

And here I was thinking you were simply trolling again...   ;)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 17, 2021, 07:23:58 AM
I thought we were discussing Julia Gillard demise and how if it was sexist then the problem is/was in the ALP as they booted her from office

And here I was thinking you were simply trolling again...   ;)

nope...just trying to keep it on track
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 17, 2021, 09:33:27 AM
You derailed long ago. We were talking about Credlins OA and you comparing her to the treatment of Gillard. You and only you brought up sexism.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on June 17, 2021, 03:50:03 PM
I don't know why you bother Albert, you are flogging a dead horse

There are a few of us who are not posting here any more because you-know-who is back
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 17, 2021, 06:00:52 PM
Meh, kills time. Something entertaining about ignorant conservatives.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 17, 2021, 06:14:11 PM
I don't know why you bother Albert, you are flogging a dead horse

There are a few of us who are not posting here any more because you-know-who is back

That’s sad ….. when you can’t bring yourself to have a conversation with another person because you believe that your views are higher than theirs

Ah well…..it takes all sorts I guess…for me, I don’t care who you are, male female,black white, far left far right …. I always learn something…maybe I’m just not as smart as you Trevor ?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 17, 2021, 10:02:55 PM
Oh look, I have been smoted. :D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on June 21, 2021, 11:38:09 AM
We've just had another leadership spill, this time in The Nationals.

Barnaby is our Deputy Dawg, again.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 21, 2021, 01:13:05 PM
We've just had another leadership spill, this time in The Nationals.

Barnaby is our Deputy Dawg, again.

Happy with that :)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on June 21, 2021, 06:31:50 PM
We've just had another leadership spill, this time in The Nationals.

Barnaby is our Deputy Dawg, again.

I laughed like hell at Albo at what he was calling the Goverment
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 21, 2021, 06:33:00 PM
We've just had another leadership spill, this time in The Nationals.

Barnaby is our Deputy Dawg, again.

I laughed like hell at Albo at what he was calling the Goverment

Ah Albo…..nice bloke….potty he isn’t a leader
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 22, 2021, 05:54:28 PM
We've just had another leadership spill, this time in The Nationals.

Barnaby is our Deputy Dawg, again.

Happy with that :)

I would have thought Bible thumpers wouldn't be happy at all.  ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 22, 2021, 06:13:24 PM
We've just had another leadership spill, this time in The Nationals.

Barnaby is our Deputy Dawg, again.

Happy with that :)

Why …. We support the family unit as does Barnaby…in fact he supports it that much that he now has 2 families :)

I would have thought Bible thumpers wouldn't be happy at all.  ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 23, 2021, 12:47:49 AM
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on June 23, 2021, 05:53:55 AM
except when it suits you and your staffer is HOT
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 23, 2021, 11:54:09 AM
what a piece of crap this guy is

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/immovable-object-greens-urge-south-korea-to-hit-australia-with-carbon-tariffs-20201103-p56b41.html

and the ALP are in bed with him ?...he should be charged with treason
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 23, 2021, 10:39:20 PM
Bloody treasonous alright!  Libs sold the Port of Darwin to the Chinese. The libs are approving foreign owned mining and subsidising them instead of taxing them. Howard negotiated free trade agreements that a foreign country can sue Australia if we reject their product.

ALP are not in bed with the Greens there is no formal coalition. They negotiate with them just like the LNP do to get things passed.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on June 24, 2021, 04:28:09 AM
well said Bert
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 24, 2021, 10:09:13 AM
Bloody treasonous alright!  Libs sold the Port of Darwin to the Chinese. The libs are approving foreign owned mining and subsidising them instead of taxing them. Howard negotiated free trade agreements that a foreign country can sue Australia if we reject their product.

ALP are not in bed with the Greens there is no formal coalition. They negotiate with them just like the LNP do to get things passed.

totally agree with the first part alby
but to say the ALP isnt in bed with the greens is laughable
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 24, 2021, 06:04:39 PM
Then so is the LNP and PHON. They have struck deals with the Greens from voting preference to passing legislation.

I'd more worried about the far right infiltration of our political institutions. Restricted voted, removing freedoms, telling us who to hate/fear, racism, bigotry, sexism, violence, wide spread corruption, holding technology back, poorer public schools and health. Denying climate science, tax cuts to the wealthy... The extreme left has never been a real threat to our way of life. they have never, or will ever get the numbers to rule. The extreme right on the other hand...

Wage growth and standards of living are plummeting and people couldn't be happier. They are ignorant and easily gaslit. Sheep, if you will...
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 28, 2021, 08:22:54 AM
Good on ya Scotty …. Great leaders don’t bow down to communist bullies

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/chinaaustralia-trade-is-still-growing-despite-covid/news-story/69466cdb5ca228ebf6de9725d78781c4
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 28, 2021, 07:24:40 PM
Not really. China could source its mineral from somewhere else. Thanks to greed and the free trade LNP deals, Australians living standard is now tied to China. In other words it's not about money. If China wants to, they can cripple us. The LNP made sure of it.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trickyonne on June 28, 2021, 08:03:41 PM
Not really. China could source its mineral from somewhere else. Thanks to greed and the free trade LNP deals, Australians living standard is now tied to China. In other words it's not about money. If China wants to, they can cripple us. The LNP made sure of it.

Lmao….you are a funny bugger
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 28, 2021, 10:33:31 PM
Why thank you. I'm well informed as well.  You obviously didn't even read the article you linked.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 10, 2021, 09:06:47 PM
I wondered why the NSW "Health advice" differed from every other states CHO in response to Delta Covid. Politics over the well being of the people. They "talked" about a lockdown for ten days, allowing it to spread.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/10/nsw-chief-health-officer-sidesteps-question-of-whether-she-told-government-to-lock-down-earlier
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 11, 2021, 05:41:04 AM
I am not surprised, it is becoming very obvious Dr Chant is a puppet of the Government
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 13, 2021, 12:49:10 AM
Is your health worth a politicians ego?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/12/gladys-berejiklian-offers-slogans-in-place-of-solutions-as-nsw-covid-crisis-deepens
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 13, 2021, 07:00:45 AM
She has no idea, well she does, let the covid rampage until everyone is vaccinated - does she have shares in Pfizer or AstraZeneca? or maybe Moderna
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on August 13, 2021, 11:57:25 AM
Did anyone notice all the rats scurrying to leave Canberra yesterday?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on August 14, 2021, 11:43:49 AM
Found this classic.

(https://i.redd.it/z69mbhhb88h71.jpg)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 14, 2021, 04:34:49 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 14, 2021, 08:57:16 PM
Found this classic.

(https://i.redd.it/z69mbhhb88h71.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sXn1zqFP/guy_laughing_slapping_knee_lg_wht.gif)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on August 15, 2021, 02:02:30 PM
Just read that Palaszczuk employs 30 spin doctors!
The mind boggles at the absolute wastage of our money.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: fordman on August 15, 2021, 04:08:11 PM
Found this classic.

(https://i.redd.it/z69mbhhb88h71.jpg)

Last years covid, this years is very very different. look at Vic similarities ATM are appearing, still getting cases out in the community despite lockdowns. Covid has bitten every politician who starts to brag about how they are better than others.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on August 15, 2021, 05:42:49 PM
Found this classic.

(https://i.redd.it/z69mbhhb88h71.jpg)

Last years covid, this years is very very different. look at Vic similarities ATM are appearing, still getting cases out in the community despite lockdowns. Covid has bitten every politician who starts to brag about how they are better than others.
Yes, it's worse than last year, which is why it's so unbelievably perplexing that the NSW government refused to get it under control before it was too late.  All to save face to not be called a hypocrite, but her ego has now cost lives.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 15, 2021, 05:52:24 PM
Just read that Palaszczuk employs 30 spin doctors!
The mind boggles at the absolute wastage of our money.

Only 30?  ;)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 15, 2021, 05:58:44 PM

Last years covid, this years is very very different. look at Vic similarities ATM are appearing, still getting cases out in the community despite lockdowns. Covid has bitten every politician who starts to brag about how they are better than others.

Knock-on-wood,  it hasn't run away like NSW has done so far.

Anatomy of the NSW outbreak - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxA7ELY9O7M
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: fordman on August 15, 2021, 06:14:30 PM
Found this classic.

(https://i.redd.it/z69mbhhb88h71.jpg)

Last years covid, this years is very very different. look at Vic similarities ATM are appearing, still getting cases out in the community despite lockdowns. Covid has bitten every politician who starts to brag about how they are better than others.
Yes, it's worse than last year, which is why it's so unbelievably perplexing that the NSW government refused to get it under control before it was too late.  All to save face to not be called a hypocrite, but her ego has now cost lives.

And Chairman Dan cost how many? 800+ from a decision made by his government no one seems to have made???? or take responsibility for. its not actually worse than last in Vic yet sadly. BTW Vic is bubbling along more cases today out in the community and still in lockdown.
Listening to Chairman Dan tonight he is mirroring what NSW is saying that their constituents are still ignoring the rules  >:(
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: fordman on August 15, 2021, 06:17:08 PM
The reason we are still in lockdown in Sydney is because of people 😌
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let’s review some facts about the last 18 months in Australia :
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn’t trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn’t trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn’t trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and now Sydney and state borders, because we can’t trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn’t trust people not to take more than what they needed.
8. In Sydney they’ve had to close down streets, suburbs and freeways with army trucks because people can’t be trusted to stay at home. Instead they want to go to beach parties in Newcastle.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated, but essentially it’s our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Selfishness, entitlement and a lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself in Australia.
The quicker people start following directions, the quicker this situation will improve and our businesses can start to grow again. 🙏🏼
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 15, 2021, 07:29:55 PM
That had to come from a government spin doctor. haha.   

This is not a chicken or the egg paradox. If the Government acted quickly, the people wouldn't be breaking the rules.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on August 15, 2021, 07:56:26 PM
If the Government acted quickly, the people wouldn't be breaking the rules.
No, there are always people breaking the rules no matter what. It's only the numbers you can argue about - and only if you like hypotheticals.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on August 15, 2021, 08:43:58 PM

Listening to Chairman Dan tonight he is mirroring what NSW is saying that their constituents are still ignoring the rules  >:(
It's all about attitude.  You can't expect the public to take it seriously when the government didn't.  There's no difference between the people in NSW and the people in QLD, and yet in QLD it was taken more seriously and people acted in a manner to reduce the spread quickly.  That's how leadership works, and NSW failed abysmally in this regard.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 15, 2021, 10:43:01 PM
If the Government acted quickly, the people wouldn't be breaking the rules.
No, there are always people breaking the rules no matter what. It's only the numbers you can argue about - and only if you like hypotheticals.
Hey! Zac is back from sulking.

Seems people in the other states can follow the rules.

Is it people breaking the rules because they are just selfish?  Or is it because the rules for what is considered essential are clear as mud?  Coupled with no financial support, people have had to go to work to make a living. Crikey, that explains why the workplace has been the main source of infection.

You like youtube videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxA7ELY9O7M  Glady's saying don't cancel your plans, nothing to see here. 7 weeks and 6000 cases later, Glady's said 450 cases in one day is a "wake up call".

Pulling vaccines from regional areas right before an outbreak was a freakin' master stroke as well.


Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: fordman on August 16, 2021, 05:53:26 AM
If the Government acted quickly, the people wouldn't be breaking the rules.
No, there are always people breaking the rules no matter what. It's only the numbers you can argue about - and only if you like hypotheticals.
Hey! Zac is back from sulking.

Seems people in the other states can follow the rules.

Is it people breaking the rules because they are just selfish?  Or is it because the rules for what is considered essential are clear as mud?  Coupled with no financial support, people have had to go to work to make a living. Crikey, that explains why the workplace has been the main source of infection.

You like youtube videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxA7ELY9O7M  Glady's saying don't cancel your plans, nothing to see here. 7 weeks and 6000 cases later, Glady's said 450 cases in one day is a "wake up call".

Pulling vaccines from regional areas right before an outbreak was a freakin' master stroke as well.

BS there is plenty of financial help, 750/week $320 to stay at home after a test, thousands for businesses. essential businesses will always be a source of transmission do we close supermarkets???

Chairman Dan just yesterday had a shot at his own state fr not following rules as they are still getting cases where no known source QLD Premier did the same as vision showed nearly no one wering masks in areas they were supposed to be.

look at what caused the spread in NSWregions IDIOTS not following the rules, simple rules really for the most part.

As for looking after year 12 students by re-allocating vaxs and those against it just shows how selfish some have become.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on August 16, 2021, 06:55:02 AM
Yep, the first item I saw on my news feed this morning was "Victoria cracking down on Covid breaches".

Sulking :). So that's what Albert does when he doesn't post for months - and now he's making lots of noise, signifying nothing, making up for the posts he didn't make. He needs Trickyonne back to really get his count up. At least Tricky can quibble on Albert's level.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 16, 2021, 07:26:35 AM
BS there is plenty of financial help, 750/week $320 to stay at home after a test, thousands for businesses. essential businesses will always be a source of transmission do we close supermarkets???

Chairman Dan just yesterday had a shot at his own state fr not following rules as they are still getting cases where no known source QLD Premier did the same as vision showed nearly no one wering masks in areas they were supposed to be.

look at what caused the spread in NSWregions IDIOTS not following the rules, simple rules really for the most part.

As for looking after year 12 students by re-allocating vaxs and those against it just shows how selfish some have become.
You may call Dan Andrews "Chairman Dan", what do we call Gladys Berejiklian?  "Gladys the Sloth", maybe "Socialist Gladys" or maybe "ScoMo's Gerry Gee"?  You can ScoMo's hand up her arse making her lips move

Her Governments inability to make the tough decisions is about to cripple the country - did she learn from Victoria's mistakes NO - her ****ing ego is to big for that - this is the end of her politicial career, next election, she and her pissant Government will be goooonnnneee
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 16, 2021, 07:35:12 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/G2xbZ94p/Gerry-Gee.jpg)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: fordman on August 16, 2021, 07:39:10 AM
BS there is plenty of financial help, 750/week $320 to stay at home after a test, thousands for businesses. essential businesses will always be a source of transmission do we close supermarkets???

Chairman Dan just yesterday had a shot at his own state fr not following rules as they are still getting cases where no known source QLD Premier did the same as vision showed nearly no one wering masks in areas they were supposed to be.

look at what caused the spread in NSWregions IDIOTS not following the rules, simple rules really for the most part.

As for looking after year 12 students by re-allocating vaxs and those against it just shows how selfish some have become.
You may call Dan Andrews "Chairman Dan", what do we call Gladys Berejiklian?  "Gladys the Sloth", maybe "Socialist Gladys" or maybe "ScoMo's Gerry Gee"?  You can ScoMo's hand up her arse making her lips move

Her Governments inability to make the tough decisions is about to cripple the country - did she learn from Victoria's mistakes NO - her ****ing ego is to big for that - this is the end of her politicial career, next election, she and her pissant Government will be goooonnnneee
 

learn from Vic who are in lockdown #6 and overseen 800 deaths directly attributed to Vic Premier who is yet to accept the blame, he is also GOOOONEEEE next year. look closer even Vic ppl are still not following the rules ie the recent engagement party he sholdn't be throwing knives when he too cannot control his ppl.

Plenty of Monday Morning quarterbacks getting around.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 16, 2021, 08:15:14 AM
learn from Vic who are in lockdown #6 and overseen 800 deaths directly attributed to Vic Premier who is yet to accept the blame, he is also GOOOONEEEE next year. look closer even Vic ppl are still not following the rules ie the recent engagement party he sholdn't be throwing knives when he too cannot control his ppl.

Plenty of Monday Morning quarterbacks getting around.

That's right, how much vaccine was around this time last year?

Who else had gone through what Victoria did at the time?

What were the failures? Quarantine - FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISSUE, Aged Care - FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISSUE. The Victorian Government stepped in to Aged Care due to a HUGE failure of FEDERAL GOVERNMENT systems, that was AFTER most had died.

Same as quarantine, at the first State/Feds get together last year, Morrison said they don't have the resources to quarantine international travelers so the State Governments stepped into that space as the Feds were Missing in Action AGAIN

Explain WHY the international border was allowed to stay open from January 2020?

Explain WHY there wasn't proper systems in aged care?

Neither of which are State issues

I have heard ramblings like yours before and it is shyte and you know it
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 16, 2021, 09:10:33 AM
BS there is plenty of financial help, 750/week $320 to stay at home after a test, thousands for businesses. essential businesses will always be a source of transmission do we close supermarkets???

Chairman Dan just yesterday had a shot at his own state fr not following rules as they are still getting cases where no known source QLD Premier did the same as vision showed nearly no one wering masks in areas they were supposed to be.

look at what caused the spread in NSWregions IDIOTS not following the rules, simple rules really for the most part.

As for looking after year 12 students by re-allocating vaxs and those against it just shows how selfish some have become.

Financial help only just kicked in in the last couple of weeks.

Is it not selfish pulling vaccines from the regional community that doesn't have the health service capacity to deal with an outbreak? The vaccine was allocated,  people had appointments booked. The plan to have year 12 students to sit for exam fell over with in days of announcing it anyway.

There will be people breaking the rules. But that does excuse the gross mishandeling of the situation by the NSW government. The regional outbreak is a direct result of the department of corrections releasing a person before confirming his covid status.


Oh and Zac. Unlike you I didn't go away angry, I just went away.  As for post count, you've spent most of yours quibbling about me.  ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on August 16, 2021, 11:41:35 AM
“No prizes for 2nd” - or 1st.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 16, 2021, 12:47:13 PM
Recycled jibes are so fun aren't they. That's a problem with lockdown,  can't go out to get new ones. ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on August 16, 2021, 02:54:45 PM
:'( 2 more weeks plus curfew in Melb
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 16, 2021, 04:34:03 PM
Are you surprised Phil, look at the behaviour of the 20 to 40 year olds, it is deplorable.

I went for a walk with my wife yesterday, about 14 cars outside a neighbour's place, new Australian from the middle east, they are just blatantly breaking the rules, so the local police station got a call. Why should we be punished for their behaviour
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 16, 2021, 06:04:19 PM
Reports in, that there were medical professionals at that engagement party.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 16, 2021, 06:05:07 PM
and 3 infectious people
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 19, 2021, 05:38:33 PM
Quote
After days and days of the NSW premier saying that a stronger lockdown wouldn’t be effective as there are still hundreds of people breaking the rules every day, the deputy chief health officer, Dr Marrianne Gale has just said rule breaking is not the major cause of transmission.

And so, one of the major drivers of the higher case numbers that we’re seeing in the areas of south-western Sydney and western Sydney is larger households that we’re seeing.

We’re seeing younger people and those who are often those authorised workers, those people that provide essential services, who work in aged care, work in disability, who work in healthcare settings, who work in factories, work in shopping centres. And so, transmission is happening between workplaces and households.

So for the vast majority of people, it’s not anybody doing the wrong thing. It’s what we are seeing with the Delta variant that is so highly transmissible.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2021/aug/19/covid-australia-live-update-nsw-outbreak-vaccines-young-sydney-hotspots-melbourne-lockdown-queensland-border-army?page=with:block-611db9f88f08e83ac7bdf1eb#liveblog-navigation
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on August 19, 2021, 09:50:12 PM
Are you surprised Phil, look at the behaviour of the 20 to 40 year olds, it is deplorable.

I went for a walk with my wife yesterday, about 14 cars outside a neighbour's place, new Australian from the middle east, they are just blatantly breaking the rules, so the local police station got a call. Why should we be punished for their behaviour

In Qld, you can add under 20 year olds. Gang (allegedly) members have been cahrged with attempted murder in a home invasion,, including a 13 year old.
No news on whether they were wearing masks
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on August 19, 2021, 10:48:09 PM
Are you surprised Phil, look at the behaviour of the 20 to 40 year olds, it is deplorable.

I went for a walk with my wife yesterday, about 14 cars outside a neighbour's place, new Australian from the middle east, they are just blatantly breaking the rules, so the local police station got a call. Why should we be punished for their behaviour

Funny Covid story. We moved houses the weekend before last and last Sunday neighbour’s seen a heap of cars out the front and called the boys in blue as they thought we were having a house warming party. We were home alone! We have 9 cars, 2 bikes and 3 projects, sheds were just not ready for half the cars yet so were parked legally on the road. Anyway cops admired a few of our cars, had a good laugh and walk across the street and fined the bloke for having his truck parked on the nature strip. Guy just puts his head down when I wave now.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 19, 2021, 11:10:56 PM
Gold!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: madbugger on August 20, 2021, 07:14:57 AM
And that is how Karma works
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 20, 2021, 11:10:26 AM
https://youtu.be/DAQW0EuFCM4

#quitgladys
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 20, 2021, 12:08:16 PM
OMFG!!

What a small bubble Gladys must live in. She said the other states will learn from NSWs lockdown and will eventually need to open up.  Maybe she didn't see that SA, Qld and NT are already relaxing restrictions. 

After a week of saying the lockdown setting were right, it's the people not following the rules. More restrictions have been put in place. Essentially wasting 8 weeks for a weak lockdown
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 20, 2021, 01:18:17 PM
it is all about spin doctoring Alby, or should I say polishing a turd
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on August 20, 2021, 09:11:11 PM
OMFG!!

What a small bubble Gladys must live in. She said the other states will learn from NSWs lockdown and will eventually need to open up.  Maybe she didn't see that SA, Qld and NT are already relaxing restrictions. 

After a week of saying the lockdown setting were right, it's the people not following the rules. More restrictions have been put in place. Essentially wasting 8 weeks for a weak lockdown

I don’t support large scale lockdowns due to the damaged caused financially and mentally to families and small businesses but done early and done right they need to be done. Everyone can see she ****ed up big time. Lockdown to little to late!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 21, 2021, 12:02:50 PM
Gladys 21/8/2021 "We accept that Delta is here, we accept heading to zero across the nation, especially once you open up and live freely will be an impossible task. No other place on the planet has done it.”

Meanwhile, in Queensland...
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 21, 2021, 06:28:50 PM
 :o
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 22, 2021, 01:39:28 AM
Gladys 21/8/2021 "We accept that Delta is here, we accept heading to zero across the nation, especially once you open up and live freely will be an impossible task. No other place on the planet has done it.”

Meanwhile, in Queensland...
meanwhile in Western Australia, Tasmania and to a lesser degree South Australia

She is trying to spin doctor her failures - people do not forget Gladys

It is embarrassing watching her press conferences, all the bloody spin - yesterday, the medical person was smiling as she was at the podium - ****ing smiling

Thanks to your pox Gladys, parts of my family are now tier 1 and tier 2 - one of my grand-daughters was in the class with an infected kid.  My wife cares for children of 2 teachers who work at one of the ground zero schools
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 22, 2021, 09:57:44 AM
Scomo and Gladys are setting us up for a big fall.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/21/vaccination-rate-of-70-wont-end-lockdowns-if-covid-case-numbers-are-too-high-doherty-institute-expert-says
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 27, 2021, 06:29:19 PM
The failure of the NSW LNP continues...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/27/the-covid-disaster-unfolding-in-wilcannia-goes-way-past-incompetence-it-is-a-disgrace

Gladys and Bruz have abandoned the people of NSW.  Sad part is there are people that lack any integrity will still defend and vote for them.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 27, 2021, 08:45:37 PM
Us in Victoria saw this coming 2 months ago, the ****ing idiots have spread their pox right across Australia - this is far worse than anything Victoria did last year - where are all the meme's of outrage

2 NSW COVID postive truckies arrived in W.A., luckily they had very little contact with people
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 27, 2021, 09:08:56 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 28, 2021, 06:08:33 AM
evrything moves faster that what Scott anticipated - ****ing slow thinker that's why
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 30, 2021, 05:54:34 AM
There is some good news on the TV this morning

Slow ScoMo & Co have dipped to their lowest level on the polls - there is a ray of sunshine somewhere
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 30, 2021, 09:33:01 AM
Gillard was amazing....she knifed Kevin then got knifed herself
It think it’s fairly evident that her failure had nothing to do with her genitalia but more to do with lack of wisdom and policies. Remember, the Australian public didn’t sack her, her colleagues did

Slightly off topic....will Albo embrace coal and blue collar workers or will he loose the next election ?

I know he doesn't post here anymore, but it brings up a point, with SlowScoMo & Co's poor polling, is Albo the right man, will he instill enough confidence in Australians for them to vote Labor with him as leader
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: madbugger on August 30, 2021, 10:24:00 AM
Gillard was amazing....she knifed Kevin then got knifed herself
It think it’s fairly evident that her failure had nothing to do with her genitalia but more to do with lack of wisdom and policies. Remember, the Australian public didn’t sack her, her colleagues did

Slightly off topic....will Albo embrace coal and blue collar workers or will he loose the next election ?

I know he doesn't post here anymore, but it brings up a point, with SlowScoMo & Co's poor polling, is Albo the right man, will he instill enough confidence in Australians for them to vote Labor with him as leader

Amongst the current crop of politicians, all parties, reps and senate, there is not one who is half worthy of the pay packet they receive each week. Never has their been such a vacuum that has walked the corridors of power in our country. 😢😢😢
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: sizzle on August 30, 2021, 12:42:36 PM
Gillard was amazing....she knifed Kevin then got knifed herself
It think it’s fairly evident that her failure had nothing to do with her genitalia but more to do with lack of wisdom and policies. Remember, the Australian public didn’t sack her, her colleagues did

Slightly off topic....will Albo embrace coal and blue collar workers or will he loose the next election ?

I know he doesn't post here anymore, but it brings up a point, with SlowScoMo & Co's poor polling, is Albo the right man, will he instill enough confidence in Australians for them to vote Labor with him as leader

Amongst the current crop of politicians, all parties, reps and senate, there is not one who is half worthy of the pay packet they receive each week. Never has their been such a vacuum that has walked the corridors of power in our country. 😢😢😢

You haven't seen the muppets in the NT then, they make the rest look like absolute genius's
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on August 30, 2021, 02:03:58 PM
welcome sizzle - we don't get to hear much of the NT's politics

I am sure there is a few good ones in either Libs or ALP but they either can't coz they are in the Upper House or they are stifled by those in the leadership packs
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on August 30, 2021, 06:37:21 PM
Pure negligence.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/30/wilcannia-covid-outbreak-leaked-letter-shows-federal-government-was-warned-last-year-of-potential-catastrophe
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on September 04, 2021, 11:02:15 AM
No one looks at the detail anymore. And people wonder why our politicians and politics are in the gutter.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/04/political-posturing-is-turning-australias-covid-reopening-into-a-test-premiers-pass-or-fail#comment-151608556

The comments are well worth a read too.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on September 07, 2021, 09:16:28 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/07/explainer-is-each-state-in-australia-getting-its-fair-share-of-covid-vaccine-doses

Any bets on Morrison belting Qld and WA around the ears for not reaching vaccine goals quick enough to boost his election chances?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on September 08, 2021, 06:08:15 AM
It was very telling that Dan Andrews called our Greg Hunt and Gladys Berejiklian for doing under the desk deals with vaccine doses yesterday - Dan has been very cool this who epidemic, been paying with a very straight bat considering the belting he has copped from Berejiklian and the Feds

And here are the Feds calling Victoria out for failing to reach vaccine targets, all the while Hunt has been slipping Berejiklian vaccines on the sly, vaccines that should have come to Victoria

Anyone but blind Freddy can see what the Feds and Berejiklian are up to - the Feds NEED NSW votes to win the next Federal election, they know that traditionally Victoria has been a Labor stronghold, so if they try to make NSW look good and Victoria look bad then the small minded bastards think that this will swing the vote in their favour

Dan called them out to show what a bunch of pricks they are, not that anyone one was doubting it before
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on September 08, 2021, 11:15:08 AM
It was very telling that Dan Andrews called our Greg Hunt and Gladys Berejiklian for doing under the desk deals with vaccine doses yesterday - Dan has been very cool this who epidemic, been paying with a very straight bat considering the belting he has copped from Berejiklian and the Feds

And here are the Feds calling Victoria out for failing to reach vaccine targets, all the while Hunt has been slipping Berejiklian vaccines on the sly, vaccines that should have come to Victoria

Anyone but blind Freddy can see what the Feds and Berejiklian are up to - the Feds NEED NSW votes to win the next Federal election, they know that traditionally Victoria has been a Labor stronghold, so if they try to make NSW look good and Victoria look bad then the small minded bastards think that this will swing the vote in their favour

Dan called them out to show what a bunch of pricks they are, not that anyone one was doubting it before

Why should they go to Victoria when NSW has the biggest problem?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on September 08, 2021, 11:22:43 AM
To prevent what is happening in NSW. 

NSW blew it. The other states should not have to wait for 20000 cases and 130 deaths before they get their fair share.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on September 08, 2021, 12:58:25 PM
Why should they go to Victoria when NSW has the biggest problem?
Firstly NSW has a bigger problem because of poor management - putting that aside everything should be fair and equitable and it wasn't.  If it was fair and equitable why was the deal done under the table, all concerned except the NSW Premier acknowledge this FACT!!!!!!

The point I was trying to make, which was obviously lost of your narrow mindedness was that the Libs are playing big time political games to try to sure up an election win for themselves next year - they are trailing in the polls and it bothers the **** our of them, so like the typical Liberal Party, when the chips are down they play dirty and here we are again
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: skaifeman on September 08, 2021, 01:35:44 PM
Why should they go to Victoria when NSW has the biggest problem?
Firstly NSW has a bigger problem because of poor management - putting that aside everything should be fair and equitable and it wasn't.  If it was fair and equitable why was the deal done under the table, all concerned except the NSW Premier acknowledge this FACT!!!!!!

The point I was trying to make, which was obviously lost of your narrow mindedness was that the Libs are playing big time political games to try to sure up an election win for themselves next year - they are trailing in the polls and it bothers the **** our of them, so like the typical Liberal Party, when the chips are down they play dirty and here we are again

Also shown by the fact they safeguard their biggest number of voters. The over 35's. First in for the vaccine :).

(https://www.aph.gov.au/-/media/05_About_Parliament/54_Parliamentary_Depts/544_Parliamentary_Library/Flagpost/PPA/Australian-election-2019-age-vote-choice.jpg?la=en&hash=F12D919E42485CAAE1F108EE9D20D3CE2D5D4FCB)
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2019/December/The_2019_Australian_Election_Study
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on September 08, 2021, 01:45:11 PM
case in point, thanks SM
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on September 08, 2021, 07:09:56 PM
Must suck for LNP and Morrison supporters to be constantly let down by them/him at every turn.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/08/pfizer-asked-to-meet-with-greg-hunt-to-offer-millions-of-doses-but-was-offered-bureaucrat-instead
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on September 11, 2021, 09:09:34 AM
Berejiklian is a coward
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on September 12, 2021, 10:52:26 AM
Berejiklian is a coward

Surely there is some sane, logical reason as to why she's given up doing the daily pressers?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on September 12, 2021, 10:02:19 PM
Berejiklian is a coward

Surely there is some sane, logical reason as to why she's given up doing the daily pressers?

They’re embarrassing for the party and they are losing their voters.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on September 13, 2021, 05:54:34 AM
She doesn't want to answer the hard questions - pure and simple.  I reckon the media have let her off pretty easy after the pizzling that Andrews has got over the last 12 months - whether you like Andrews or not, he hasn't shirked away and hidden in a back room.  I think Gladys doesn't want to be held accountable and she is **** scared of the damage to the Liberal brand at the moment

I am a regular watcher of Insiders on ABC Sunday mornings at 9:00 am.  I was a bit pissed off yesterday to see that Waleed Aly on there, they can do better than that, but anyway Niki Savva is always interesting and yesterday was no different.  She called SloMo the 'Prime Minister of New South Wales', I let out a loud giggle  ;D ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on September 13, 2021, 11:00:08 AM
One of the reasons is Gladys is in deep do-do with ICAC. And refuses to answer any questions about it at the pressers.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on September 15, 2021, 08:28:19 PM
In spite of the fact that a few left wing socialists have declared me a conservative:

I have been an ALP supporter since I started work at 15.

For may decades, i have provided monetary support, and physical support,  to the party that I believed represented the views of the workers.

Having made that declaration, I subscribe to the well known football analogy that ALL the best players are on the same team.

My early contact was in a period where Arthur Caldwell was the leader and he seemed to subscribe to the idea that it was better to be in opposition and adhere to party principles. (This principle seems to be returning, Federally at least.)

I walked a long way to listen to Gough Whitlam whose principle was based on the principle that Labor had to be the Government to actually achieve any Labor Policy. I believed in him and still do, although he tried to do too many things too quickly and made mistakes, but honest mistakes.


Back to the current situation:

Governments, both State and Federal are selected by the people, for whatever personal reasons float their boat.

Some ALP Governments see successful at combating Covid, such as Qld and WA.

Some are doing an apparent poor job, such as the ALP Victoria and the Liberal NSW, but at least they are trying.

Unfortunately, there is no vaccine against stupidity and the stupidity of some of their population is their major drawback.

The Morrison Government ( Lib/Nat: shock horror) are doing a pretty good job too,


For some reason the Media fail to understand that countries that have huge death rates should have some priority with vaccine. (Very selfish)The same applies within Australian regions.


The Media choose to criticism for the sake of criticism and controversy. rather than look just how well it is really going in Australia.

Seeing as the highly paid Media talking heads feel they know all the answers, they should get of their respective asses and run for a pay deduction as an elected Parliamentarian and run the country.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on September 15, 2021, 10:03:23 PM
Said the bloke labeling others lefty socialists.

Death rate should not be used as a measure of priority. Doing so only causes preventable deaths. While you're busy vaxing the hot spots, the virus breaks loose in areas that have no protection at all.

Morrison is not even doing his job to say he is doing a good job.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on September 16, 2021, 05:34:59 PM
Said the bloke labeling others lefty socialists.

Death rate should not be used as a measure of priority. Doing so only causes preventable deaths. While you're busy vaxing the hot spots, the virus breaks loose in areas that have no protection at all.

Morrison is not even doing his job to say he is doing a good job.

He is to! He just got us nuclear subs  :P
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 01, 2021, 01:59:24 PM
And She's outta there!

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/01/nsw-premier-gladys-berejiklian-resigns-after-icac-announces-investigation
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on October 01, 2021, 04:09:23 PM
What's that saying the right like to throw around? "what are you worried about if you have nothing to hide"?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on October 01, 2021, 04:19:51 PM
And She's outta there!

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/01/nsw-premier-gladys-berejiklian-resigns-after-icac-announces-investigation

About ****ing time! Her face screams corruption.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 03, 2021, 10:01:56 AM
They had Sharri Markson on Sunrise yesterday who suggested that ICAC wouldn't be investigating Gladys if she was a bloke.


Errrr, ICAC have brought down plenty of those in the past.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 03, 2021, 01:16:30 PM
Gladys resignation bears fruit. Andrew Constance has quit.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 03, 2021, 01:18:50 PM
They had Sharri Markson on Sunrise yesterday who suggested that ICAC wouldn't be investigating Gladys if she was a bloke.


Errrr, ICAC have brought down plenty of those in the past.

ICAC took down the Male premier that setup the commision. Nick Greiner
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 03, 2021, 01:47:00 PM
Gladys resignation bears fruit. Andrew Constance has quit.

Only to have stand for the next Federal election.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 03, 2021, 02:16:15 PM
Gladys resignation bears fruit. Andrew Constance has quit.

Only to have stand for the next Federal election.
That's alright, just happy to see he won't be NSW's transport minister anymore.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 03, 2021, 04:52:16 PM
I'm a little surprised that Brad Hazzard or the price minister bloke haven't thrown their hat into the ring as yet.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on October 04, 2021, 03:01:00 AM
I thought Hazzard was a shoe-in, I felt for sure he would be in the running.  Maybe people in his Party think the same way as we do about him  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on October 04, 2021, 03:04:47 AM
Said the bloke labeling others lefty socialists.

Death rate should not be used as a measure of priority. Doing so only causes preventable deaths. While you're busy vaxing the hot spots, the virus breaks loose in areas that have no protection at all.

Morrison is not even doing his job to say he is doing a good job.

He is to! He just got us nuclear subs  :P
I saw an interesting take on this whole submarine thing yesterday, subs are almost a thing of the past, the writer said that the next conflict will be done by drone, air, land and water drones. I reckon they are right, look at what the USA is doing with them already,

The writer said they are cheap and don't cost lives of the aggressor and that makes lots of sense
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on October 04, 2021, 07:17:02 AM
I'm a little surprised that Brad Hazzard or the price minister bloke haven't thrown their hat into the ring as yet.
Too abrasive and argumentative. It's looking like Dominic Perrottet will be the next Premier of NSW, just to let the anti-Gladys types realise that you have to be careful what you wish for. She was to the left of the Moderate faction in the Libs, while 39 y.o. RC father of six Perrottet is well on the right of the Conservative Right faction. Chris Minns, the relatively new leader of State Labor is looking better all the time.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 04, 2021, 08:36:04 AM
I'm a little surprised that Brad Hazzard or the price minister bloke haven't thrown their hat into the ring as yet.
Too abrasive and argumentative. It's looking like Dominic Perrottet will be the next Premier of NSW, just to let the anti-Gladys types realise that you have to be careful what you wish for. She was to the left of the Moderate faction in the Libs, while 39 y.o. RC father of six Perrottet is well on the right of the Conservative Right faction. Chris Minns, the relatively new leader of State Labor is looking better all the time.

That's the Labor leader?

I've either not being paying attention or NSW Labor haven't really been out there pushing their cause?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on October 04, 2021, 08:46:28 AM
Yes, and watching the Coalition, he doesn't need to do much right now. John Barilaro, Deputy Premier and state leader of the Nats announcing today that he's resigning too.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on October 04, 2021, 09:44:57 AM
I've heard Perrottet is quite anti-Science, but how much?  Is it going to be a challenge to pursue climate targets for example?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 04, 2021, 01:03:54 PM
Awww poor John Barilaro being picked on by a youtube user was the last straw? Or the jig is up on the NSW LNP protection racket.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 04, 2021, 01:18:39 PM
Said the bloke labeling others lefty socialists.

Death rate should not be used as a measure of priority. Doing so only causes preventable deaths. While you're busy vaxing the hot spots, the virus breaks loose in areas that have no protection at all.

Morrison is not even doing his job to say he is doing a good job.

He is to! He just got us nuclear subs  :P
I saw an interesting take on this whole submarine thing yesterday, subs are almost a thing of the past, the writer said that the next conflict will be done by drone, air, land and water drones. I reckon they are right, look at what the USA is doing with them already,

The writer said they are cheap and don't cost lives of the aggressor and that makes lots of sense

Probably truth to that. US Sub technology was one of the DODs most closely guarded secrets. Now they seem happy to share. They wouldn't do that if was still a strategic advantage.

We're decades away from our own fleet anyway. I wouldn't be surprised the AUKUS was just fluff to get out of the French deal and allow US sub patrol our waters through a lease deal.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 04, 2021, 01:38:33 PM
Awww poor John Barilaro being picked on by a youtube user was the last straw? Or the jig is up on the NSW LNP protection racket.

Did he resign on his own free will or did he get a tap on the shoulder by ICAC?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on October 04, 2021, 02:19:53 PM
Awww poor John Barilaro being picked on by a youtube user was the last straw? Or the jig is up on the NSW LNP protection racket.

Did he resign on his own free will or did he get a tap on the shoulder by ICAC?

Either way he's just protecting his Super...   ;)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 04, 2021, 03:05:40 PM
Awww poor John Barilaro being picked on by a youtube user was the last straw? Or the jig is up on the NSW LNP protection racket.

Did he resign on his own free will or did he get a tap on the shoulder by ICAC?

I'm betting, like Gladys, the tap came from the party room.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on October 04, 2021, 04:39:46 PM
There was no tap from the party room. There may have been one or two people from the Right who would rather have a more conservative leader than the moderate Gladys, but no tap. Quite the opposite, actually. The party was as surprised as most of us. If there was a tap on the shoulder, it's more likely to have come from her new boyfriend, Arthur Moses QC who represented her at ICAC last year. and certainly knows how ICAC, Crime Commissions and other such bodies operate. Once ICAC called again, he probably suggested it would be better not to be the Premier and facing ICAC at the same time. My guess is that she listened to a few trusted confidantes and decided on her own - but saying it wasn't her decision was a silly thing to say and she did herself no favours with that one.   
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on October 04, 2021, 05:47:32 PM
So it is probably is true, Bruz is having a mid-life meltdown.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on October 04, 2021, 06:43:54 PM
Probably. He said he is. I can't say that I pay much attention to what the Nats are doing, whether in State or Federal politics. Kind-of hear whatever they're saying in the news, shake head, move on...
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on October 04, 2021, 10:02:53 PM
Awww poor John Barilaro being picked on by a youtube user was the last straw? Or the jig is up on the NSW LNP protection racket.

Did he resign on his own free will or did he get a tap on the shoulder by ICAC?

Either way he's just protecting his Super...   ;)

I don't know, but the ex-premier give up a big heap of taxpayer funded benefits by not waiting for 5 years as NSW Premier, a mere few months away.,
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 04, 2021, 11:22:41 PM
Probably. He said he is. I can't say that I pay much attention to what the Nats are doing, whether in State or Federal politics. Kind-of hear whatever they're saying in the news, shake head, move on...

That being said, who's next in line as Nationals leader?

I can only think of Kevin Anderson or Adam Marshall throwing their Akubras (or Brigalows) in the ring.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on October 05, 2021, 05:53:33 AM
Whilst not my State I did find it interesting that Barilaro is walking away too, is it because the main contender for the Libs leadership is an Abbott clone?  Far right? and Barilaro sees the relationship as not working
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on October 05, 2021, 08:39:57 AM
Dropping like flies!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on October 07, 2021, 08:18:38 AM
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victorian-opposition-leader-matthew-guy-calls-for-daniel-andrews-to-resign-amid-ibac-investigation/news-story/2df563e21ca751185caf3a61aa6f3389 (https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victorian-opposition-leader-matthew-guy-calls-for-daniel-andrews-to-resign-amid-ibac-investigation/news-story/2df563e21ca751185caf3a61aa6f3389)

So, should Andrews resign, or is this different because he is labor?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 07, 2021, 09:08:27 AM
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victorian-opposition-leader-matthew-guy-calls-for-daniel-andrews-to-resign-amid-ibac-investigation/news-story/2df563e21ca751185caf3a61aa6f3389 (https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victorian-opposition-leader-matthew-guy-calls-for-daniel-andrews-to-resign-amid-ibac-investigation/news-story/2df563e21ca751185caf3a61aa6f3389)

So, should Andrews resign, or is this different because he is labor?

It's different because he's a bloke, and the sexist anti corruption boards don't investigate them. That's if you believe some of the Sky News and NewsCorp peanuts that truly believe that.


On another note, from the five minutes I've seen of Dominic Perrotet, (or Perentie as mum put him), he comes across as a decent, genuine dude, despite his strong beliefs, unlike ScoMo, whose attempts at relatabilility just seem false.

It's good to see a younger bunch in charge, even though him being 39, makes him only 10 years older than me. It is something that seems to be lacking in the halls of parliament, so if Dom goes well, hopefully it encourages a few more younger folk to enter the ring.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on October 07, 2021, 10:25:44 AM
I agree with you about having some young blood in politics, I think it is needed

As for Andrews, I am not sure what they are investigating him for, I understand it is to do with the fire brigades and a deal, but not sure of the nitty-gritty detail - whereas with Gladys, all her dirty washing was hung on the line last year, so it is pretty obvious why she is being investigated, just listen to some of the phone calls, I am surprised it has taken this long.

I have in favour of a Federal ICAC, we need to 'keep the bastards honest' (to quote the great Democrats leader Don Chipp)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on October 07, 2021, 09:51:39 PM
Tim Smith popped up on Facebook the other day with more allegations of Labor corruption (later on in video from memory.

https://fb.watch/8uyvw6noh1/

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on October 08, 2021, 06:29:52 AM
Tim Smith is the George Christensen of Victorian politics - nothing more to be said
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on October 08, 2021, 09:55:56 AM
Tim Smith is the George Christensen of Victorian politics - nothing more to be said

I watched the whole video, he made some very valid points, but of course nothing to see here ???
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on October 08, 2021, 10:34:50 AM
Tim Smith is the George Christensen of Victorian politics - nothing more to be said

No surprise with your reply. Corruption is throughput every party and until we have some new blood from those that have morals and that will work for the people it and not their wallets it will always be poisoned through all political ranks!

Corruption is corruption and any politician should stand down without pay until investigated and cleared.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 21, 2021, 04:33:00 PM
Eddie and Ian are off to the grey bar motel for an extended stay.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/eddie-obeid-and-ian-macdonald-jailed-over-conspiracy/100557192
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on October 21, 2021, 05:14:44 PM
My cousins son in law and son work on Eddies farm, I guess they won't be seeing him for a while longer
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on October 24, 2021, 02:35:30 PM
United Australia are now Australia's largest party by membership?

How?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on October 24, 2021, 04:44:07 PM
United Australia are now Australia's largest party by membership
How?

Did they count heads?    :P
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on January 03, 2022, 02:57:03 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-03/morrison-resists-free-rapid-antigen-testing-for-covid/100735518

If I may recycle the old classic; "If you drink and drive, you're a bloody idiot". If you vote Morrison/LNP you really are a bloody idiot.

WTF! We are paying you flipp'n muppet. 300% mark-up for a single Covid rapid antigen test. This is not like welfare or infrastructure spending where is only goes to a certain portion of the community. WE ALL NEED THE TEST!!!

Kevin Rudd nailed it "Morrison is RATf***ing Australians"
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on February 07, 2022, 03:33:48 PM
anyone want to lay odds that Albo will be PM by the end of the year

SloMo and Co are self-destructing

They always say, voters never vote a new Government in, they vote the old one out - SloMo is dead meat
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on February 07, 2022, 03:36:56 PM
anyone want to lay odds that Albo will be PM by the end of the year

SloMo and Co are self-destructing

They always say, voters never vote a new Government in, they vote the old one out - SloMo is dead meat

yet some still love the bloke (as they do Dan down here in Vic) and there is no good reason I can see for it? (and no reason for any love for the opposition either but they should get in by default as the 2nd worst (and only other) option)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on February 07, 2022, 06:54:53 PM
Personally, I decided some time ago that if Labor put up a Female Candidate, she would get my vote and I intend to stick with that. Not very scientific  ::)

A lot of opinion is based on some personal event, but a lot of opinion on the Government is based on the reports in the media, which is seemingly heavily influenced by Gotcha questions and Revenge reports.

To ask a PM the price of bread is definitely a Gotcha question. Bread seems to be priced from about $1.50 to $8 plus.

Should we really expect this pixilated behaviour from a Professor of Politics who is a senior political reporter from a minor TV station, Channel 10. Professor Peter van Oselin very widely announced a Labor victory at the last Fed election. He was wrong and he still seems to be pissed off at the Australian people for proving him wrong. He, surprise, surprise, is again pre-announcing a Labor win, which should make Albo very nervious.

Many of the journalists at the ALP Broadcasting Commission, sorry ABC also seems up be upset with the Australian voters for showing their ineptitude.  Some of their personal "Twit" accounts testify to that.

Let's look at a few facts as supplied by Antony Green, ABC Chief Election Analyst who is well respected by all major parties.

Quote
In the 151 seat House of Representatives, both sides of politics need 76 seats to form a majority government. That allows for 75 seats on the floor of the House, any tied division then resolved by the casting vote of the government Speaker. A government with 76 seats can avoid relying on the Speaker's casting vote by luring an opposition or cross bench member into the Speaker's chair.

The equations for achieving 76 seats are -

The government has 76 seats post-redistribution and cannot afford any net loss of seats. As a minimum it needs to recover Hughes from Craig Kelly.
Post-redistribution Labor starts with 69 seats. Assuming a uniform national swing, Labor needs to gain seven seats on a swing of 3.3% to form government.
Assuming no change in cross bench numbers, Labor needs a uniform swing of 3.1% to gain four seats and finish with more seats than the Coalition in a hung parliament.

In Summary, after wins and losses,  the Coalition need to gain one extra seat and the ALP need to gain 7 extra seats. That is a lot to gain, especially when the Greens are looking to take seats from Labor.

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For the 2022 election, the Coalition has only three seats on two-party preferred margins under 3%. In 2019 it had 12. In 2022 the Coalition has only one seat under 4% in Queensland compared to eight in 2019.

Labor has many more close seats it needs to defend from further incursions by the Coalition. Labor goes into the election with 12 seats on margins under 3%, the same number as in 2019, and four times the number of 2022 government seats under 3%.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/guide/preview-national

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on February 08, 2022, 05:20:33 AM
People are tired of the Greens and are quite happily separating them from Labor, it is only you Liberal voters that want to hang onto the Gillard days where she had ONE Green supporting her, despite the Liberal cries of Labor being in bed with the Greens, here I will write it again ONE green

This current Government has done heaps of deals with Brandt to get their policies through in the hung Parliament

I will agree on one thing your said, well kinda, the ABC is left, but not so sure about the obvious push for Labor, I would call them 'liberal' in their approach rather than Labor
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on February 08, 2022, 07:04:42 AM
I also note that that pissant leprechaun from QANTAS got his own way, he has been badgering and making announcements about re-opening since the start of COVID

I wish they would get rid of him, he would have to be one of the most unliked people in Australia right now
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on February 08, 2022, 08:19:12 AM
anyone want to lay odds that Albo will be PM by the end of the year

SloMo and Co are self-destructing

They always say, voters never vote a new Government in, they vote the old one out - SloMo is dead meat

Nah, it'll be one of those Convoy to Canberra folk when they overthrow the government.

Would Dutton really have the numbers for a leadership spill?

He hasn't the last few times.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on February 08, 2022, 09:34:05 AM
Nah, it'll be one of those Convoy to Canberra folk when they overthrow the government.

Would Dutton really have the numbers for a leadership spill?

He hasn't the last few times.
I have been having a chuckle about the Freedom protests - they are protesting at the Federal level about stuff the States are doing to them, either they are playing a long game or they just don't understand the Australian political landscape
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on February 08, 2022, 09:35:32 AM
Although I reckon there would be mumbling's of a leadership spill on Morrison, he has let the team down and the voters are reacting
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on February 08, 2022, 10:03:33 AM
People are tired of the Greens and are quite happily separating them from Labor, it is only you Liberal voters that want to hang onto the Gillard days where she had ONE Green supporting her, despite the Liberal cries of Labor being in bed with the Greens, here I will write it again ONE green

This current Government has done heaps of deals with Brandt to get their policies through in the hung Parliament

I will agree on one thing your said, well kinda, the ABC is left, but not so sure about the obvious push for Labor, I would call them 'liberal' in their approach rather than Labor

"you Liberal voters"

Wash your mouth out with soap.

Quote
Personally, I decided some time ago that if Labor put up a Female Candidate, she would get my vote and I intend to stick with that. Not very scientific  ::)

Here she is.
https://www.alp.org.au/our-people/our-people/tabatha-young/

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on February 08, 2022, 11:54:51 AM
"as an Aboriginal woman"  am I missing something?  :o

Labor does have some awesome women in their group, I am a real fan of Tanya Plibersek, Penny Wong, Anne Aly, Linda Burney and to some extent Kristina Keneally

I reckon either Tanya or Penny are leader material. I know Penny is the 'wong' house for that to occur
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on February 08, 2022, 03:18:42 PM
"as an Aboriginal woman"  am I missing something?  :o

Labor does have some awesome women in their group, I am a real fan of Tanya Plibersek, Penny Wong, Anne Aly, Linda Burney and to some extent Kristina Keneally

I reckon either Tanya or Penny are leader material. I know Penny is the 'wong' house for that to occur

None of them are running in my electorate.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: meha on February 09, 2022, 10:10:48 AM
and with that Steve you raise what I think is the most important point.

Each of us may support Labor, Liberals, the Greens or whatever party floats your boat however, ultimately to me it comes down to who my local member actually will be. Yes I look at what the national policy will be however, given that I live in regional Tasmania we rarely have much in the way of policy announcement that will directly, or indirectly affect me.

I do not live in Western Sydney or the suburbs of Melbourne or Brisbane where it seems like all the policies are targeted at.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on February 09, 2022, 11:34:28 AM
I live in a blue ribbon Lib or Nat seat, this year I am voting Independent.  I know the bloke running and he would make an awesome local member
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: meha on February 09, 2022, 04:20:21 PM
I am supposedly in a marginal seat. The current member has been in for two terms and I have never seen him once, the only time I hear from him is the annual mail that gets dropped to everyone. The Labor member is a current councilor who does nothing and frankly is no better than what we have, The Green's have never been a starter for me so I am left with an Lambie candidate or an independent. One of them will likely end up with my vote but it may well be the one that I can't stand the least than the one who I think will be a good member of parliament.   
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: madbugger on February 09, 2022, 09:05:03 PM
. . . . but it may well be the one that I can't stand the least than the one who I think will be a good member of parliament.

And that is where a lot of people, myself included, now fall. I used to vote for the party, regardless of the candidate, the last 2 federal elections have been more about who will do the least amount of damage should they get in.

New Candidates are winning because the incumbent is being voted out rather than new candidate being voted in

A really sad state of affairs for Australian politics.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on February 10, 2022, 05:26:53 AM
I don't think it is just Australia, look at the UK, USA and several other places, hell they even had a hard time getting a new Chancellor for Germany
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: madbugger on February 10, 2022, 07:42:27 AM
I live in a blue ribbon Lib or Nat seat, this year I am voting Independent.  I know the bloke running and he would make an awesome local member

Which raises another problem with Australian politics. Independent members are relatively ineffective unless they hold the balance of power. I live in Indi, which has had an independent for the last 3 terms. Previously it was a very safe Liberal seat which was so safe the leadership decided they needed to spend very little money in the seat as it was unnecessary.

Now they spend even less. They will announce major funding packages as an election draws near, which are usually dependant on the seat being returned to the Libs, if an independent gets in the funds dry up or are withheld.

Having said that, the 2 independents we have had for the last 3 terms are very much like empty vessels, they make a lot of noise but achieve nothing while blaming others for their failure to achieve something
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on February 10, 2022, 10:57:32 AM
Which raises another problem with Australian politics. Independent members are relatively ineffective unless they hold the balance of power. I live in Indi, which has had an independent for the last 3 terms. Previously it was a very safe Liberal seat which was so safe the leadership decided they needed to spend very little money in the seat as it was unnecessary.

Now they spend even less. They will announce major funding packages as an election draws near, which are usually dependant on the seat being returned to the Libs, if an independent gets in the funds dry up or are withheld.

Having said that, the 2 independents we have had for the last 3 terms are very much like empty vessels, they make a lot of noise but achieve nothing while blaming others for their failure to achieve something
but you have to happy Sophie has gone surely.  I thought the first term of Cathy was OK as she had some power.  The way she ran her initial election run set a standard by which our blue ribbon State seat went to an Independent.

We have been putting up with zero funding State and Federally for years - **** blue ribbon seats

I am in the neighbouring electorate of Nicholls. Looks like our sitting NP member has decided to pull the pin - I hope he ****s off back over to the West to continue his footy coaching - he did **** all for us
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: madbugger on February 10, 2022, 07:17:25 PM
Which raises another problem with Australian politics. Independent members are relatively ineffective unless they hold the balance of power. I live in Indi, which has had an independent for the last 3 terms. Previously it was a very safe Liberal seat which was so safe the leadership decided they needed to spend very little money in the seat as it was unnecessary.

Now they spend even less. They will announce major funding packages as an election draws near, which are usually dependant on the seat being returned to the Libs, if an independent gets in the funds dry up or are withheld.

Having said that, the 2 independents we have had for the last 3 terms are very much like empty vessels, they make a lot of noise but achieve nothing while blaming others for their failure to achieve something
but you have to happy Sophie has gone surely.  I thought the first term of Cathy was OK as she had some power.  The way she ran her initial election run set a standard by which our blue ribbon State seat went to an Independent.

We have been putting up with zero funding State and Federally for years - **** blue ribbon seats

I am in the neighbouring electorate of Nicholls. Looks like our sitting NP member has decided to pull the pin - I hope he ****s off back over to the West to continue his footy coaching - he did **** all for us

At least Sophie was able to achieve some things for the electorate, Kathy was about as effective as an ashtray on a motorbike, and now Helen is even more ineffective.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on February 11, 2022, 07:42:40 AM
Just when I thought journalism is at an all time low, along comes 60 Minutes in what must be a Liberal Party paid advert to show the Prime Minister acting like a human - this would have to be the biggest PR bull-hsit of all time
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on February 22, 2022, 07:44:16 PM
Which raises another problem with Australian politics. Independent members are relatively ineffective unless they hold the balance of power. I live in Indi, which has had an independent for the last 3 terms. Previously it was a very safe Liberal seat which was so safe the leadership decided they needed to spend very little money in the seat as it was unnecessary.

Now they spend even less. They will announce major funding packages as an election draws near, which are usually dependant on the seat being returned to the Libs, if an independent gets in the funds dry up or are withheld.

Having said that, the 2 independents we have had for the last 3 terms are very much like empty vessels, they make a lot of noise but achieve nothing while blaming others for their failure to achieve something
but you have to happy Sophie has gone surely.  I thought the first term of Cathy was OK as she had some power.  The way she ran her initial election run set a standard by which our blue ribbon State seat went to an Independent.

We have been putting up with zero funding State and Federally for years - **** blue ribbon seats

I am in the neighbouring electorate of Nicholls. Looks like our sitting NP member has decided to pull the pin - I hope he ****s off back over to the West to continue his footy coaching - he did **** all for us

At least Sophie was able to achieve some things for the electorate, Kathy was about as effective as an ashtray on a motorbike, and now Helen is even more ineffective.
You mean she was able to get you a ride on the pork barrel train?Although that is the way things have run for a long time it shows the pressing need for an anti corruption commission.
Whoever the local member is has no bearing on the needs of the electorate which should be the only basis funding is decided on.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: madbugger on February 22, 2022, 08:35:03 PM
Which raises another problem with Australian politics. Independent members are relatively ineffective unless they hold the balance of power. I live in Indi, which has had an independent for the last 3 terms. Previously it was a very safe Liberal seat which was so safe the leadership decided they needed to spend very little money in the seat as it was unnecessary.

Now they spend even less. They will announce major funding packages as an election draws near, which are usually dependant on the seat being returned to the Libs, if an independent gets in the funds dry up or are withheld.

Having said that, the 2 independents we have had for the last 3 terms are very much like empty vessels, they make a lot of noise but achieve nothing while blaming others for their failure to achieve something
but you have to happy Sophie has gone surely.  I thought the first term of Cathy was OK as she had some power.  The way she ran her initial election run set a standard by which our blue ribbon State seat went to an Independent.

We have been putting up with zero funding State and Federally for years - **** blue ribbon seats

I am in the neighbouring electorate of Nicholls. Looks like our sitting NP member has decided to pull the pin - I hope he ****s off back over to the West to continue his footy coaching - he did **** all for us

At least Sophie was able to achieve some things for the electorate, Kathy was about as effective as an ashtray on a motorbike, and now Helen is even more ineffective.
You mean she was able to get you a ride on the pork barrel train?Although that is the way things have run for a long time it shows the pressing need for an anti corruption commission.
Whoever the local member is has no bearing on the needs of the electorate which should be the only basis funding is decided on.

Nope, that is not what I meant at all
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on February 23, 2022, 05:40:10 AM
I see Media Watch did a bit on the outrageous slur by SloMo in Parliament against Albanese and Marles, even Andrew Bolt slammed SlowMo

See here:
https://fb.watch/bkVR2RyixJ/

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on February 23, 2022, 07:25:11 PM
Which raises another problem with Australian politics. Independent members are relatively ineffective unless they hold the balance of power. I live in Indi, which has had an independent for the last 3 terms. Previously it was a very safe Liberal seat which was so safe the leadership decided they needed to spend very little money in the seat as it was unnecessary.

Now they spend even less. They will announce major funding packages as an election draws near, which are usually dependant on the seat being returned to the Libs, if an independent gets in the funds dry up or are withheld.

Having said that, the 2 independents we have had for the last 3 terms are very much like empty vessels, they make a lot of noise but achieve nothing while blaming others for their failure to achieve something
but you have to happy Sophie has gone surely.  I thought the first term of Cathy was OK as she had some power.  The way she ran her initial election run set a standard by which our blue ribbon State seat went to an Independent.

We have been putting up with zero funding State and Federally for years - **** blue ribbon seats

I am in the neighbouring electorate of Nicholls. Looks like our sitting NP member has decided to pull the pin - I hope he ****s off back over to the West to continue his footy coaching - he did **** all for us

At least Sophie was able to achieve some things for the electorate, Kathy was about as effective as an ashtray on a motorbike, and now Helen is even more ineffective.
You mean she was able to get you a ride on the pork barrel train?Although that is the way things have run for a long time it shows the pressing need for an anti corruption commission.
Whoever the local member is has no bearing on the needs of the electorate which should be the only basis funding is decided on.

Nope, that is not what I meant at all
I meant Sophie was able to get you on the pork barrel express.Whatever she was able to do she was beyond horrible and an example of the extreme right in the Coalition.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on February 23, 2022, 08:34:50 PM
With all the flooding around, I watched channel 7 news tonight. There seemed to be a lot of Clive's UAP adverts, apparently anti both sides.

I wondered what he will do with preference direction on "How to Vote" cards, bearing in mind that regardless of media hysteria, vote preferences belong to the voter, not the parties.

It seems, at this time that he might direct preferences, in all cases, against the sitting member.

I would like that to happen as politicians are like babies' nappies.

Both should be frequently changed and for the same reason.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on February 23, 2022, 09:11:38 PM
In the last election Palmer said the result was mission accomplished for him even though he didn’t get anyone elected.He said the aim was always to keep Labor out of government as the Coalition would be more inclined to have mining and taxation policies that would benefit him .
The same will eventually apply this time.Everything else now is just smoke and mirrors.
The only freedom that hypocrite cares about is the freedom not to pay taxes or his employees entitlements.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on February 23, 2022, 10:21:19 PM
You might be right Alan.

Clearly China supports an Albo win. There are only two possibilities and China does not want ScoMo. So clearly Albo is their preference for PM. The Chinese Government owned [aper has stated so.

On the other hand, Clive is mightily pissed off at China and he will probably come out against China's clear preference.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on February 24, 2022, 04:47:20 AM
If you have Facebook this is worth a watch

https://fb.watch/bmb9WApxwK/
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on February 24, 2022, 07:37:14 AM
You might be right Alan.

Clearly China supports an Albo win. There are only two possibilities and China does not want ScoMo. So clearly Albo is their preference for PM. The Chinese Government owned [aper has stated so.

On the other hand, Clive is mightily pissed off at China and he will probably come out against China's clear preference.
“China supports an Albo win” is just Coalition/News Ltd trolling.China couldn’t give a stuff who wins the next election.The policies of both parties are the same with regards to China.The China Times article everyone is pointing to was written by an Australian with no ties to either political party.
The only change might be a medium to long term back down from the drums of war hysterical nonsense that Dutton has been spewing.
With Palmer he doesn’t look further than his personal wealth.Everything is about maximising that.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on February 24, 2022, 09:49:44 AM
Alan, China clearly is at odds with the Morrison Government. Naturally they want them out and that leaves only one alternative, the ALP.

It doesn't hurt that the ALP is a fellow socialist organisation.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on February 24, 2022, 10:18:33 AM
Alan, China clearly is at odds with the Morrison Government. Naturally they want them out and that leaves only one alternative, the ALP.

It doesn't hurt that the ALP is a fellow socialist organisation.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
there is a BIG difference between 'socialism' and 'communism', to suggest they are the same is drawing a very long bow and will no doubt raise the heckles of some, including me
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on February 24, 2022, 10:41:09 AM
Alan, China clearly is at odds with the Morrison Government. Naturally they want them out and that leaves only one alternative, the ALP.

It doesn't hurt that the ALP is a fellow socialist organisation.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
China is at odds with every democratic country in the world.
If you really think the Australian Labor Party is a “fellow organisation” with the Chinese Communist Party you have moved far from reality.Not even the Murdoch nutters go that far.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on February 24, 2022, 11:14:12 AM
Trevor. i did not suggest that Socialism is Communism.

However Communism is a form of Socialism and the enemy of Capitalism.

Might I add that in my long association with the Union Movement, I have met many Communist Party card carrying fellow conference attendees who were also active as members in Unions and in the ALP movement and generally very nice people.

The fact is that although there is a big difference between China (Communist) and the ALP (Socialist), there is an even bigger difference between China (Communist) and the Morrison Government which is regarded by many as a Capitalist Government.

Regardless, I will be voting for my local ALP candidate.


PS: Have Murdoch detractors bothered to read the Australian, which also carries many anti-Morrison stories and columnists and feature writers? If I remember correctly, the Murdock Press ahs come out very strongly, in the past, for the election of candidates such as Kevin Rudd.

Just a personal opinion, but I think Lachlan will conduct a purge of Newspapers when Rupert passes. The Newspapers are often low profit or even loss making, and probably not worth the time and effort of senior executives. There will be few, if any, potential buyers if Fairfax is anything to go by. The frequent criticism of Murdoch monopoly newspapers in some cities, e.g. Brisbane, which can be easily solved by closing the Courier Mail newspaper and selling the increasingly expensive real estate.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/socialism-vs-communism/
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on February 24, 2022, 12:54:21 PM
I really struggle to see SloMo and Co as Capitalist, they are the most left Liberal Government in a very long term, hell, most of their policies could come straight from the ALP

Trump was a capitalist
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on February 26, 2022, 02:12:24 PM
I really struggle to see SloMo and Co as Capitalist, they are the most left Liberal Government in a very long term, hell, most of their policies could come straight from the ALP

Trump was a capitalist
Morrison government is right wing populist with a mission to redistribute wealth towards companies and the top 15% of the population.
For the former they constantly bang the drum that they can prevent economic and social change.Their lies about cost and reliability of renewal energy a case in point.As Andrew Forrest said the other day is that a major difference between Angus Taylor and God is that “God doesn’t think he’s Angus Taylor”.
As for the latter consider the way they have blocked all the reforms recommended by the Banking Royal Commission and how ,unlike similar schemes everywhere else in the world, they didn’t allow for real time disclosure of who got Job Keeper money and why they deliberately didn’t put in any claw back mechanism for firms whose profit didn’t decrease as a result of Covid.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 06, 2022, 10:16:07 AM
Alan, China clearly is at odds with the Morrison Government. Naturally they want them out and that leaves only one alternative, the ALP.

It doesn't hurt that the ALP is a fellow socialist organisation.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
China is at odds with every democratic country in the world.
If you really think the Australian Labor Party is a “fellow organisation” with the Chinese Communist Party you have moved far from reality.Not even the Murdoch nutters go that far.

Really? What about Sam Dastyari?

What about

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/sep/18/nsw-labor-forfeits-100000-allegedly-donated-by-chinese-billionaire-in-aldi-shopping-bag (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/sep/18/nsw-labor-forfeits-100000-allegedly-donated-by-chinese-billionaire-in-aldi-shopping-bag)

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-s-tony-burke-accepted-30-000-from-china-linked-businessman-after-asio-party-warnings-20180201-p4yz7q.html (https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-s-tony-burke-accepted-30-000-from-china-linked-businessman-after-asio-party-warnings-20180201-p4yz7q.html)

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/former-nsw-mp-engaged-in-serious-corrupt-conduct-over-chinese-friends-of-labor-donation-says-icac/news-story/e2260b4947f8b64bf352f0da8fef9b4a (https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/former-nsw-mp-engaged-in-serious-corrupt-conduct-over-chinese-friends-of-labor-donation-says-icac/news-story/e2260b4947f8b64bf352f0da8fef9b4a)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on March 06, 2022, 11:34:35 AM
LNP literally has a member of the CCP as a sitting MP. We've had current and former LNP leaders praising China.

The latest "china bad" rhetoric from the LNP is just electioneering. "The Red's are under your bed and they are coming for you".

The weak minded fall for it. While China has one of the worst humanitarian records, we must do business with them, they buy our resources, our living standard is propped up by Chinese goods.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 06, 2022, 01:10:45 PM
LNP literally has a member of the CCP as a sitting MP. We've had current and former LNP leaders praising China.

The latest "china bad" rhetoric from the LNP is just electioneering. "The Red's are under your bed and they are coming for you".

The weak minded fall for it. While China has one of the worst humanitarian records, we must do business with them, they buy our resources, our living standard is propped up by Chinese goods.

Can you back up your accusation about a LNP member? Or are you just trying to distract from the facts I posted?

Of course China want a Labor/Greens federal government in Australia.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on March 06, 2022, 01:57:57 PM
Why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOTtU77JvDU

I can post links too.   

https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/02/18/exclusive-beijing-backs-morrison-for-pm/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/12/liberal-party-member-denies-links-to-chinese-communist-party-after-belt-and-road-controversy
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 06, 2022, 02:12:02 PM
Why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOTtU77JvDU

I can post links too.   

https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/02/18/exclusive-beijing-backs-morrison-for-pm/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/12/liberal-party-member-denies-links-to-chinese-communist-party-after-belt-and-road-controversy

Left Wing opinion are not facts.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 06, 2022, 02:15:21 PM
Alan, China clearly is at odds with the Morrison Government. Naturally they want them out and that leaves only one alternative, the ALP.

It doesn't hurt that the ALP is a fellow socialist organisation.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
there is a BIG difference between 'socialism' and 'communism', to suggest they are the same is drawing a very long bow and will no doubt raise the heckles of some, including me

Communisum is the extreme form of Socialism, for either to work personal freedoms must be removed or eroded
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on March 06, 2022, 02:27:17 PM
Why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOTtU77JvDU

I can post links too.   

https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/02/18/exclusive-beijing-backs-morrison-for-pm/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/12/liberal-party-member-denies-links-to-chinese-communist-party-after-belt-and-road-controversy

Left Wing opinion are not facts.

OK, horses mouth...https://youtu.be/WnzJCiF3lgs?t=86
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on March 06, 2022, 02:41:31 PM
Alan, China clearly is at odds with the Morrison Government. Naturally they want them out and that leaves only one alternative, the ALP.

It doesn't hurt that the ALP is a fellow socialist organisation.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
there is a BIG difference between 'socialism' and 'communism', to suggest they are the same is drawing a very long bow and will no doubt raise the heckles of some, including me

Communisum is the extreme form of Socialism, for either to work personal freedoms must be removed or eroded

LNP are working on that. They want to silence, sue and lock up anyone that speaks out against them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blLTd0Smlqk
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 06, 2022, 03:02:39 PM
Alan, China clearly is at odds with the Morrison Government. Naturally they want them out and that leaves only one alternative, the ALP.

It doesn't hurt that the ALP is a fellow socialist organisation.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
there is a BIG difference between 'socialism' and 'communism', to suggest they are the same is drawing a very long bow and will no doubt raise the heckles of some, including me

Communisum is the extreme form of Socialism, for either to work personal freedoms must be removed or eroded

LNP are working on that. They want to silence, sue and lock up anyone that speaks out against them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blLTd0Smlqk


Thankyou I needed a good laugh. Maybe you should read the facts

https://www.ag.gov.au/legal-system/social-media-anti-trolling-bill (https://www.ag.gov.au/legal-system/social-media-anti-trolling-bill)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on March 06, 2022, 03:49:26 PM
Alan, China clearly is at odds with the Morrison Government. Naturally they want them out and that leaves only one alternative, the ALP.

It doesn't hurt that the ALP is a fellow socialist organisation.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
there is a BIG difference between 'socialism' and 'communism', to suggest they are the same is drawing a very long bow and will no doubt raise the heckles of some, including me

Communisum is the extreme form of Socialism, for either to work personal freedoms must be removed or eroded

LNP are working on that. They want to silence, sue and lock up anyone that speaks out against them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blLTd0Smlqk


Thankyou I needed a good laugh. Maybe you should read the facts

https://www.ag.gov.au/legal-system/social-media-anti-trolling-bill (https://www.ag.gov.au/legal-system/social-media-anti-trolling-bill)

The fact is it's a bill to erode free speech.

Funny how the same mob that wanted to remove 18C so they and their media mates could slag off at anyone they didn't like, are now so concerned for the people on social media.

I have a bridge for sale if anyone is interested..

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 07, 2022, 03:15:31 AM
Of course China want a Labor/Greens federal government in Australia.
I always laugh at you lot, you always try to trot out scare campaign rubbish, now China then Greens - you are pathetic - point to me where there is an alliance between the Labor Party and the Greens- do it now, you made the statement, now back it up. Don't trot out some rubbish from 11 years ago when ONE Green member supported Gillard along with 3 Independent's as they saw Abbott for what he was.

Let me give you some insider info - this Morrison Liberal Government has got into bed with the Greens more times that you would care to think about, both in the Upper House and in the Lower House with Bandt
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 07, 2022, 03:18:04 AM
Communisum is the extreme form of Socialism, for either to work personal freedoms must be removed or eroded
what a crock of **** - did you vote for Donald Trump too

Amazingly we have had Labor Government State and Federal and you are living off their policies every day - If you hate them that much stop using Medicare, introduced by a Socialist Government.  Stop sponging on the taxpayer you Capitalist and start paying your own way
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 08, 2022, 09:03:53 AM
Of course China want a Labor/Greens federal government in Australia.
I always laugh at you lot, you always try to trot out scare campaign rubbish, now China then Greens - you are pathetic - point to me where there is an alliance between the Labor Party and the Greens- do it now, you made the statement, now back it up. Don't trot out some rubbish from 11 years ago when ONE Green member supported Gillard along with 3 Independent's as they saw Abbott for what he was.

Let me give you some insider info - this Morrison Liberal Government has got into bed with the Greens more times that you would care to think about, both in the Upper House and in the Lower House with Bandt

Spin it how you like, Gillard formed a Government with an alliance with the Greens, look how that turned out

And this little gem

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6978568/a-coalition-is-the-best-option-for-labor-and-the-greens/ (https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6978568/a-coalition-is-the-best-option-for-labor-and-the-greens/)

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 08, 2022, 09:16:17 AM
Communisum is the extreme form of Socialism, for either to work personal freedoms must be removed or eroded
what a crock of **** - did you vote for Donald Trump too

Amazingly we have had Labor Government State and Federal and you are living off their policies every day - If you hate them that much stop using Medicare, introduced by a Socialist Government.  Stop sponging on the taxpayer you Capitalist and start paying your own way

Looks like my response triggered you 8) Obviously what I said must be on the ball as all you could come back with was "what a crock of ****" and a poor attempt at a personal attack.  Not that it's any of your business but, I work hard and pay my fair share of tax. I am in a group of people who get no handouts from the Government.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 08, 2022, 09:40:34 AM
Spin it how you like, Gillard formed a Government with an alliance with the Greens, look how that turned out

And this little gem

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6978568/a-coalition-is-the-best-option-for-labor-and-the-greens/ (https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6978568/a-coalition-is-the-best-option-for-labor-and-the-greens/)
how naive are you?  If you know so much tell me how many Greens were in the Lower House that Gillard needed the support of?  Come on, tell me now.  Because the Lower House is where Government is formed - so come on tell me

Not some bull-****, just plain simple facts is all I want
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 08, 2022, 09:44:55 AM
Looks like my response triggered you 8) Obviously what I said must be on the ball as all you could come back with was "what a crock of ****" and a poor attempt at a personal attack.  Not that it's any of your business but, I work hard and pay my fair share of tax. I am in a group of people who get no handouts from the Government.
I get sick of idiots like you who move around facts then trot out some non-related rubbish

In case you missed it Australia has been a socialist country for 60 or 70 years.  Lets talk about Howard and all the socialist policies he introduced to get the middle class vote that he needed to keep in power
1. Baby bonus
2. Subsidised child care for middle income earners
3. Gun laws

just to name 3
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 08, 2022, 09:51:04 AM
Not that it's any of your business but, I work hard and pay my fair share of tax. I am in a group of people who get no handouts from the Government.
and neither do I, but it is there for people who need it

You have taken your fair share of Socialist Government handouts in your time
1. PBS on your medicines
2. Medicare to pay your doctors bills and to give you free hospital care
3. Subsidised child care
4. Employer provided Superannuation contributions
5. Hell I reckon you even spent the $500 hat Kevin 07 gave you, I doubt you sent it back

I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully

I have been hearing this Gillard bull**** for 11 years plus, her Government managed to get more bills passed in her term than any other Government, so tell me again how ineffective she was a Leader and Negotiator
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 08, 2022, 09:57:24 AM
Looks like my response triggered you 8) Obviously what I said must be on the ball as all you could come back with was "what a crock of ****" and a poor attempt at a personal attack.  Not that it's any of your business but, I work hard and pay my fair share of tax. I am in a group of people who get no handouts from the Government.
I get sick of idiots like you who move around facts then trot out some non-related rubbish

In case you missed it Australia has been a socialist country for 60 or 70 years.  Lets talk about Howard and all the socialist policies he introduced to get the middle class vote that he needed to keep in power
1. Baby bonus
2. Subsidised child care for middle income earners
3. Gun laws

just to name 3

geez calm down mate, we have drifted from the Communism is the extreme form of Socialism statement.

Seems like you need a reminder: take a chill pill and read this

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism) 
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 08, 2022, 10:58:29 AM
geez calm down mate, we have drifted from the Communism is the extreme form of Socialism statement.

Seems like you need a reminder: take a chill pill and read this

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism)

Don't come that "calm down mate" **** with me, you ****ing throw hand-grenades and then go missing with answers to my questions.  You, like all the others before you cannot refute what I have posted so you continually divert away

I am wasting my energy responding to you because you have nothing, zip, zero, ****-all
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 08, 2022, 09:43:00 PM
geez calm down mate, we have drifted from the Communism is the extreme form of Socialism statement.

Seems like you need a reminder: take a chill pill and read this

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism)

Don't come that "calm down mate" **** with me, you ****ing throw hand-grenades and then go missing with answers to my questions.  You, like all the others before you cannot refute what I have posted so you continually divert away

I am wasting my energy responding to you because you have nothing, zip, zero, ****-all

Again, calm down, I will address your questions, again

Labor Greens alliance, in 2010 Labor formed an alliance with the Greens to secure their one and only seat in the house of reps

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-09-01/greens-labor-seal-deal/966044 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-09-01/greens-labor-seal-deal/966044)

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6978568/a-coalition-is-the-best-option-for-labor-and-the-greens/ (https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6978568/a-coalition-is-the-best-option-for-labor-and-the-greens/)

That covers proof of previous Labor Greens alliances

And now to address these gems

In case you missed it Australia has been a socialist country for 60 or 70 years.  Lets talk about Howard and all the socialist policies he introduced to get the middle class vote that he needed to keep in power
1. Baby bonus
2. Subsidised child care for middle income earners
3. Gun laws

just to name 3

You have taken your fair share of Socialist Government handouts in your time
1. PBS on your medicines
2. Medicare to pay your doctors bills and to give you free hospital care
3. Subsidised child care
4. Employer provided Superannuation contributions
5. Hell I reckon you even spent the $500 hat Kevin 07 gave you, I doubt you sent it back

I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully



The above points are not pure socialist, if they were there would be no private health and the government would run all childcare. I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully.


Australia is not socialist, it is a Liberal Democracy. See below for explanations if you are confused

https://australianpolitics.com/democracy/key-terms/liberal-democracy (https://australianpolitics.com/democracy/key-terms/liberal-democracy)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism)


Hope this clears things up
 

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 09, 2022, 05:50:09 AM
Again, calm down, I will address your questions, again

Labor Greens alliance, in 2010 Labor formed an alliance with the Greens to secure their one and only seat in the house of reps

That covers proof of previous Labor Greens alliances
I never ever denied that Labor used Adam Bandt in the Lower House, the same as Abbott would have had he been able to sway all 4 people needed to run Government - jesus I said as much 3 times above - but they used ONE Green, not the whole Party - you lot carry on as if it is a bad thing.

Tell me who many times have the Libs got into bed with the Greens in the Lower House this term, and how many time have the Libs got into bed with the Greens in the Upper House in the last 10 plus years?  Please research that



And now to address these gems

In case you missed it Australia has been a socialist country for 60 or 70 years.  Lets talk about Howard and all the socialist policies he introduced to get the middle class vote that he needed to keep in power
1. Baby bonus
2. Subsidised child care for middle income earners
3. Gun laws

just to name 3

You have taken your fair share of Socialist Government handouts in your time
1. PBS on your medicines
2. Medicare to pay your doctors bills and to give you free hospital care
3. Subsidised child care
4. Employer provided Superannuation contributions
5. Hell I reckon you even spent the $500 hat Kevin 07 gave you, I doubt you sent it back

I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully



The above points are not pure socialist, if they were there would be no private health and the government would run all childcare. I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully.


Australia is not socialist, it is a Liberal Democracy. See below for explanations if you are confused

https://australianpolitics.com/democracy/key-terms/liberal-democracy (https://australianpolitics.com/democracy/key-terms/liberal-democracy)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism)


Hope this clears things up
 
what you are quoting is Communism, not Socialism, get your facts rights
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 09, 2022, 07:15:31 PM
Again, calm down, I will address your questions, again

Labor Greens alliance, in 2010 Labor formed an alliance with the Greens to secure their one and only seat in the house of reps

That covers proof of previous Labor Greens alliances
I never ever denied that Labor used Adam Bandt in the Lower House, the same as Abbott would have had he been able to sway all 4 people needed to run Government - jesus I said as much 3 times above - but they used ONE Green, not the whole Party - you lot carry on as if it is a bad thing.

Tell me who many times have the Libs got into bed with the Greens in the Lower House this term, and how many time have the Libs got into bed with the Greens in the Upper House in the last 10 plus years?  Please research that



And now to address these gems

In case you missed it Australia has been a socialist country for 60 or 70 years.  Lets talk about Howard and all the socialist policies he introduced to get the middle class vote that he needed to keep in power
1. Baby bonus
2. Subsidised child care for middle income earners
3. Gun laws

just to name 3

You have taken your fair share of Socialist Government handouts in your time
1. PBS on your medicines
2. Medicare to pay your doctors bills and to give you free hospital care
3. Subsidised child care
4. Employer provided Superannuation contributions
5. Hell I reckon you even spent the $500 hat Kevin 07 gave you, I doubt you sent it back

I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully



The above points are not pure socialist, if they were there would be no private health and the government would run all childcare. I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully.


Australia is not socialist, it is a Liberal Democracy. See below for explanations if you are confused

https://australianpolitics.com/democracy/key-terms/liberal-democracy (https://australianpolitics.com/democracy/key-terms/liberal-democracy)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism)


Hope this clears things up
 
what you are quoting is Communism, not Socialism, get your facts rights

 For the third time I will post this link. This is the definition of Socialism, what is in this link is factual.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism)



Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on March 09, 2022, 10:07:41 PM
Again, calm down, I will address your questions, again

Labor Greens alliance, in 2010 Labor formed an alliance with the Greens to secure their one and only seat in the house of reps

That covers proof of previous Labor Greens alliances
I never ever denied that Labor used Adam Bandt in the Lower House, the same as Abbott would have had he been able to sway all 4 people needed to run Government - jesus I said as much 3 times above - but they used ONE Green, not the whole Party - you lot carry on as if it is a bad thing.

Tell me who many times have the Libs got into bed with the Greens in the Lower House this term, and how many time have the Libs got into bed with the Greens in the Upper House in the last 10 plus years?  Please research that



And now to address these gems

In case you missed it Australia has been a socialist country for 60 or 70 years.  Lets talk about Howard and all the socialist policies he introduced to get the middle class vote that he needed to keep in power
1. Baby bonus
2. Subsidised child care for middle income earners
3. Gun laws

just to name 3

You have taken your fair share of Socialist Government handouts in your time
1. PBS on your medicines
2. Medicare to pay your doctors bills and to give you free hospital care
3. Subsidised child care
4. Employer provided Superannuation contributions
5. Hell I reckon you even spent the $500 hat Kevin 07 gave you, I doubt you sent it back

I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully



The above points are not pure socialist, if they were there would be no private health and the government would run all childcare. I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully.


Australia is not socialist, it is a Liberal Democracy. See below for explanations if you are confused

https://australianpolitics.com/democracy/key-terms/liberal-democracy (https://australianpolitics.com/democracy/key-terms/liberal-democracy)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism)


Hope this clears things up
 
what you are quoting is Communism, not Socialism, get your facts rights

 For the third time I will post this link. This is the definition of Socialism, what is in this link is factual.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism)
You do realise your simplistic labelling of things as socialism ,capitalism,liberal democracy etc is a nonsensical way to differentiate between different political parties in Australia don’t you?
You do realise how many times the Coalition has had to rely on and by your definition enter into a coalition with Hanson in the Senate to get bills passed don’t you?
Now run along and vote for Palmer or Hanson which is where your paranoia is heading.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 10, 2022, 04:49:31 AM
For the third time I will post this link. This is the definition of Socialism, what is in this link is factual.
and for the last time you have refused to answer my questions, because in your heart you know I am right

You are a borderline troll and not man enough to man up when you are wrong, you just keep diverting

Enjoy what time you have left with SloMo & Co
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 10, 2022, 04:52:21 AM
Speaking of SloMo & Co, they can't do much right can they.  I see that they are under fire AGAIN for their poor response efforts, this time for flood victims

This is what happens when you spend too much time navel gazing and focusing on irrelevant issues when the place is hit by another natural disaster - this Government really has no idea.  He is stuck in the NSW Libs back pocket and so they dragged them under the bus with them, coz NSW Libs have been poor performers too
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on March 10, 2022, 02:24:27 PM
Gillard entered into an agreement with one Green MP to count on his vote for supply. Every piece of legislation still had to be negotiated with the green MP and 2 other independent MPs (former nats) to be passed. Should note that Gillard never lost a vote on the floor while passing the most legislation in history.

Unlike the Coalition the Nats just vote the same as if they are one party with the LNP. And while holding majority have lost votes on the floor while passing the least amount of legislation in history.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on March 10, 2022, 05:17:55 PM
One should remember that in most cases, the Government parties and the Oppositions parties all vote for legislation.

The difference is that Lib, LNP and NAT MPs are allowed to cross the floor and vote against a coalition bill.

On the other hand, labor MP's who vote against Labor, are chucked out of the party.

In the case of the Greens, Adam Bandt has a meeting with himself to decide on a position and he usually supports himself in the lower house.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 10, 2022, 05:31:01 PM
One should remember that in most cases, the Government parties and the Oppositions parties all vote for legislation.

The difference is that Lib, LNP and NAT MPs are allowed to cross the floor and vote against a coalition bill.

On the other hand, labor MP's who vote against Labor, are chucked out of the party.

In the case of the Greens, Adam Bandt has a meeting with himself to decide on a position and he usually supports himself in the lower house.
and Federally you have proof Labor have done that haven't you
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 10, 2022, 05:34:53 PM
And am I guessing that more Libs/Nats have crossed the floor under the leadership of SloMo than any other Lib PM?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 10, 2022, 05:50:05 PM
also noted that you are still diverting away from my questions
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on March 10, 2022, 07:16:45 PM
Quote
Party discipline
In Australia, as in other Westminster parliaments, the major political parties value party unity and, as a result, attempt to limit dissent and keep their parliamentary members supporting the party line. [6]

The three major parties—Labor, Liberal and the Nationals—differ in the way party discipline is enforced. The Labor Party has a formal pledge that binds all Labor MPs to support the collective decisions of the Caucus and has expelled MPs who breached the pledge. While the Liberal Party does not have a pledge there is a tension between party discipline and personal freedom. Former Liberal Party President, John Valder, stated in a 1983 report that:

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1920/CrossingTheFloorFederalParliament

Personally, i don't care to enter your little abusive games. If you want the names of expelled members, then do your research. If you are happy to believe it otherwise, then I am pleased that you are happy.

Of course. Coalition members cross the floor in greater numbers. It is allowed by their parties.  The article gives extensive lists going back in time.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 10, 2022, 07:26:35 PM
and you still haven't answered my questions
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on March 10, 2022, 08:37:56 PM
and you still haven't answered my questions

Y O H M C W S W G A S W Y T!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on March 10, 2022, 10:30:10 PM
The coalition can't have a such a pledge otherwise the illusion that the Nats and the LNP are separate parties wouldn't exist.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 11, 2022, 05:16:30 AM
Y O H M C W S W G A S W Y T!
If only SLoMo's announcements and photo ops could keep Australia safe.

After a decade in office, 30 major defence projects are running a total of 79 years late.

17 major projects are running $4.3 billion over budget.

He always talks big but never delivers.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 11, 2022, 05:18:33 AM
Personally, i don't care to enter your little abusive games. If you want the names of expelled members, then do your research. If you are happy to believe it otherwise, then I am pleased that you are happy.

Of course. Coalition members cross the floor in greater numbers. It is allowed by their parties.  The article gives extensive lists going back in time.
so, no actually proof Labor have done this at a Federal level - OK, cool
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: madbugger on March 11, 2022, 06:18:54 AM

Y O H M C W S W G A S W Y T!

I googled that, with and without spaces. still don’t know what it means😁
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 11, 2022, 07:38:38 AM

Y O H M C W S W G A S W Y T!

I googled that, with and without spaces. still don’t know what it means😁
I think it is an attempt to divert attention away from the hole he has dug himself into - it is obvious by his refusal to answer my questions
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on March 11, 2022, 08:55:24 AM

Y O H M C W S W G A S W Y T!

I googled that, with and without spaces. still don’t know what it means😁
I think it is an attempt to divert attention away from the hole he has dug himself into - it is obvious by his refusal to answer my questions


The post and not the poster thanks.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 19, 2022, 09:50:13 AM
An interesting read, although the usual suspects will dismiss it.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hildebrand-i-was-angry-and-i-stand-by-all-of-it/news-story/94e8f310b0a135abcf2bd790f856e819 (https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hildebrand-i-was-angry-and-i-stand-by-all-of-it/news-story/94e8f310b0a135abcf2bd790f856e819)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on March 19, 2022, 12:11:37 PM
An interesting read, although the usual suspects will dismiss it.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hildebrand-i-was-angry-and-i-stand-by-all-of-it/news-story/94e8f310b0a135abcf2bd790f856e819 (https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hildebrand-i-was-angry-and-i-stand-by-all-of-it/news-story/94e8f310b0a135abcf2bd790f856e819)
I stopped at “socialist sounding dogma” and “woke virtue signalling”.Reading Hildebrand channel Morrison via Rupert was too much.
What happened to Kitching is a personal tragedy.However she was a hard headed political operative and her card was marked from the time she went behind her party’s back to leak party stuff to Linda Reynolds.From then on it is no wonder much of the Labor Party felt they could no longer trust her.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 19, 2022, 01:49:51 PM
An interesting read, although the usual suspects will dismiss it.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hildebrand-i-was-angry-and-i-stand-by-all-of-it/news-story/94e8f310b0a135abcf2bd790f856e819 (https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hildebrand-i-was-angry-and-i-stand-by-all-of-it/news-story/94e8f310b0a135abcf2bd790f856e819)
I stopped at “socialist sounding dogma” and “woke virtue signalling”.Reading Hildebrand channel Morrison via Rupert was too much.
What happened to Kitching is a personal tragedy.However she was a hard headed political operative and her card was marked from the time she went behind her party’s back to leak party stuff to Linda Reynolds.From then on it is no wonder much of the Labor Party felt they could no longer trust her.

So you're saying bullying is ok? Wow, if this was the LNP you lot would be screamimg blue murder!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on March 19, 2022, 02:05:19 PM
An interesting read, although the usual suspects will dismiss it.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hildebrand-i-was-angry-and-i-stand-by-all-of-it/news-story/94e8f310b0a135abcf2bd790f856e819 (https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hildebrand-i-was-angry-and-i-stand-by-all-of-it/news-story/94e8f310b0a135abcf2bd790f856e819)
I stopped at “socialist sounding dogma” and “woke virtue signalling”.Reading Hildebrand channel Morrison via Rupert was too much.
What happened to Kitching is a personal tragedy.However she was a hard headed political operative and her card was marked from the time she went behind her party’s back to leak party stuff to Linda Reynolds.From then on it is no wonder much of the Labor Party felt they could no longer trust her.

So you're saying bullying is ok? Wow, if this was the LNP you lot would be screamimg blue murder!
No.But there were mean girls on both sides of the story.
For the record I think Keneally is a terrible liability and has been an electoral disaster in both state and federal politics.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 19, 2022, 02:23:45 PM
An interesting read, although the usual suspects will dismiss it.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hildebrand-i-was-angry-and-i-stand-by-all-of-it/news-story/94e8f310b0a135abcf2bd790f856e819 (https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hildebrand-i-was-angry-and-i-stand-by-all-of-it/news-story/94e8f310b0a135abcf2bd790f856e819)
I am not saying it didn't happen and I am not saying it did happen, I just don't know. Did Hilderbrand see it actually happen first hand?  No! He is just another headline grabbing Skynews grub
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 19, 2022, 02:26:18 PM
I stopped at “socialist sounding dogma” and “woke virtue signalling”.Reading Hildebrand channel Morrison via Rupert was too much.
What happened to Kitching is a personal tragedy.However she was a hard headed political operative and her card was marked from the time she went behind her party’s back to leak party stuff to Linda Reynolds. From then on it is no wonder much of the Labor Party felt they could no longer trust her.
sounds pretty much what Rudd did to Latham, except Rudd was leaking to the press
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 19, 2022, 02:28:32 PM
So you're saying bullying is ok? Wow, if this was the LNP you lot would be screamimg blue murder!
You need to watch Ms Represented on the ABC if you want to see how grubby Lib females can get.  I actually sort of gained some respect for Bronwyn Bishop after watching it

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/ms-represented-with-annabel-crabb
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 19, 2022, 04:21:14 PM
So you're saying bullying is ok? Wow, if this was the LNP you lot would be screamimg blue murder!
You need to watch Ms Represented on the ABC if you want to see how grubby Lib females can get.  I actually sort of gained some respect for Bronwyn Bishop after watching it

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/ms-represented-with-annabel-crabb

Nice try at a redirection.

Here's another claim

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/labor-mp-kaushaliya-vaghela-says-premier-office-ignored-bullying/100854794 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/labor-mp-kaushaliya-vaghela-says-premier-office-ignored-bullying/100854794)

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on March 19, 2022, 05:14:55 PM
So you're saying bullying is ok? Wow, if this was the LNP you lot would be screamimg blue murder!
You need to watch Ms Represented on the ABC if you want to see how grubby Lib females can get.  I actually sort of gained some respect for Bronwyn Bishop after watching it

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/ms-represented-with-annabel-crabb

Nice try at a redirection.

Here's another claim

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/labor-mp-kaushaliya-vaghela-says-premier-office-ignored-bullying/100854794 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/labor-mp-kaushaliya-vaghela-says-premier-office-ignored-bullying/100854794)
We get it.Championing your climate change denying,anti corruption blocking,wealth and income gap widening heroes is getting hard for most people.
But wait.Look over there!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 19, 2022, 07:34:16 PM
So you're saying bullying is ok? Wow, if this was the LNP you lot would be screamimg blue murder!
You need to watch Ms Represented on the ABC if you want to see how grubby Lib females can get.  I actually sort of gained some respect for Bronwyn Bishop after watching it

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/ms-represented-with-annabel-crabb

Nice try at a redirection.

Here's another claim

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/labor-mp-kaushaliya-vaghela-says-premier-office-ignored-bullying/100854794 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/labor-mp-kaushaliya-vaghela-says-premier-office-ignored-bullying/100854794)
We get it.Championing your climate change denying,anti corruption blocking,wealth and income gap widening heroes is getting hard for most people.
But wait.Look over there!

So instead of putting across a fact based argument you resort to a personal attack. Well done mate.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on March 19, 2022, 10:51:16 PM
Merely pointing out how the Coalition from Abbott on have used right wing populism to distract from all their policies that have seen a massive swing in the share of national income going from wages to profits and their undying protection racket for the fossil fuel industry.Meanwhile blocking proper independent scrutiny of their actions.
They will now cling onto things like the Manchurian  candidate nonsense and any other scare tactic they think will work on the gullible.Although the issue of bullying in the workplace is important given what has emerged in the last few years from Julia Banks on they are  one of the last group of people who should be throwing stones.
Wait until Rupert fires up the tabloid politics once the election is called.Confected outrage on a daily basis.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on March 20, 2022, 12:39:28 AM
Labor absolutely flogged the libs in SA.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 20, 2022, 05:17:41 AM
Merely pointing out how the Coalition from Abbott on have used right wing populism to distract from all their policies that have seen a massive swing in the share of national income going from wages to profits and their undying protection racket for the fossil fuel industry.Meanwhile blocking proper independent scrutiny of their actions.
They will now cling onto things like the Manchurian  candidate nonsense and any other scare tactic they think will work on the gullible.Although the issue of bullying in the workplace is important given what has emerged in the last few years from Julia Banks on they are  one of the last group of people who should be throwing stones.
Wait until Rupert fires up the tabloid politics once the election is called.Confected outrage on a daily basis.

Ah yes, Julia Banks, how quickly the Libs forget


Yes, SloMo need to pay attention to what happened in S.A. yesterday, cos he is next on the chopping block

Howard was a master of frightening the public to keep power and it looks like SloMo is going down the same path.  I really hope the electorate is smarter these days
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: the undertaker on March 20, 2022, 08:08:32 AM
As an outsider with an interest in politics, and watching from a country that has been decimated by an ideological moron as prime minister, it's unbelievable that Australia think that Albanese and his left wing cohorts are the answer to Australia's problems!

I have skin in the game in that both my adult children live in Australia and I am concerned at the socialist direction Australia will head under this left wing labor party.

Let the mud slinging begin, I can handle the coming abuse!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on March 20, 2022, 08:57:01 AM
As an outsider with an interest in politics, and watching from a country that has been decimated by an ideological moron as prime minister, it's unbelievable that Australia think that Albanese and his left wing cohorts are the answer to Australia's problems!

I have skin in the game in that both my adult children live in Australia and I am concerned at the socialist direction Australia will head under this left wing labor party.

Let the mud slinging begin, I can handle the coming abuse!
I'm unconcerned about socialist direction.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 20, 2022, 10:53:22 AM
As an outsider with an interest in politics, and watching from a country that has been decimated by an ideological moron as prime minister, it's unbelievable that Australia think that Albanese and his left wing cohorts are the answer to Australia's problems!

I have skin in the game in that both my adult children live in Australia and I am concerned at the socialist direction Australia will head under this left wing labor party.

Let the mud slinging begin, I can handle the coming abuse!
I'm unconcerned about socialist direction.

Have a read of this

https://reason.com/2021/02/10/socialism-doesnt-work/ (https://reason.com/2021/02/10/socialism-doesnt-work/)

And this

https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/about-that-teacher-who-failed-their-whole-class-14a704cb76d8 (https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/about-that-teacher-who-failed-their-whole-class-14a704cb76d8)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on March 20, 2022, 11:33:34 AM
Socialist?Left Wing?
What nonsense.If you look at policies that were considered socialist and left wing 30 years ago none of that applies to the Labor Party of 2022.
All politics has moved to the right as politicians chase the swinging voters.These voters are now most typically people with lower levels of education who are frightened of change of any type.This has paralysed any proposals for major reform from any side of politics.
What you have a choice of is 2 parties with most policies in common except 1 of them blatantly increases income and wealth inequality ,refuses to have their actions scrutinised by an effective anti corruption body and acts always in the interests of its fossil fuel benefactors rather than the people who elect them.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 20, 2022, 12:40:20 PM

What you have a choice of is 2 parties with most policies in common except 1 of them blatantly increases income and wealth inequality ,refuses to have their actions scrutinised by an effective anti corruption body and acts always in the interests of its fossil fuel benefactors rather than the people who elect them.

you know what they say, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has them and some of them stink. We will soon find out which way Australians want to head.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on March 20, 2022, 03:42:52 PM
Socialist?Left Wing?
What nonsense.If you look at policies that were considered socialist and left wing 30 years ago none of that applies to the Labor Party of 2022.
All politics has moved to the right as politicians chase the swinging voters.These voters are now most typically people with lower levels of education who are frightened of change of any type.This has paralysed any proposals for major reform from any side of politics.
What you have a choice of is 2 parties with most policies in common except 1 of them blatantly increases income and wealth inequality ,refuses to have their actions scrutinised by an effective anti corruption body and acts always in the interests of its fossil fuel benefactors rather than the people who elect them.

And the other one is an LNP/LP/NP coalition.  ;D :-* :-*
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 23, 2022, 07:12:04 AM
reads to me like some remnants of the COVID conspiracy theories are overflowing into here with a revised 'reds under the beds' conspiracy theory  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bob Menzies would be proud

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-supercharges-his-reds-under-the-bed-election-scare-campaign-20220216-p59x3g.html
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on March 23, 2022, 06:49:29 PM
Some good news

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/government-pledges-5-4bn-for-north-queensland-dam-before-business-case/ar-AAVogd3?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531 (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/government-pledges-5-4bn-for-north-queensland-dam-before-business-case/ar-AAVogd3?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 30, 2022, 08:50:15 AM
well well well

SloMo got a character assessment last night. What is that? 4th or 5th from his own side.  There must be a lot of truth in these accusations
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on March 30, 2022, 09:26:28 AM
Gee whiz, it's almost as if this budget was geared to win votes.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 30, 2022, 10:40:56 AM
Where are the Liberal voters who were quick to attack Labor over bullying allegations now ANOTHER one has been made against SloMo
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on March 30, 2022, 01:29:50 PM
Gee whiz, it's almost as if this budget was geared to win votes.
The best quote was that they should have just stapled the cash to Liberal How To Vote cards.
Do you think anyone will notice that all the generosity ends a few months after the election when they turn the taps off?Then according to Josh,miraculously inflation will fall and wages will rise although he couldn’t say how.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 30, 2022, 04:15:46 PM
He didn't mention that they are borrowing to fund it

Same as they are slapping themselves on the back for the fiscal responsibility gaining the $10b to their pockets, not saying it was from the sale of iron ore, gas etc

This lot are a bunch of deceitful lying arseholes
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on March 30, 2022, 04:55:20 PM
Gee whiz, it's almost as if this budget was geared to win votes.
The best quote was that they should have just stapled the cash to Liberal How To Vote cards.
Do you think anyone will notice that all the generosity ends a few months after the election when they turn the taps off?Then according to Josh,miraculously inflation will fall and wages will rise although he couldn’t say how.
It'll work though.  There are so many gullible people in this country who can't see further than their own personal greed with zero foresight to the future.

A reduction in funding for climate research and a PM who says renters should simply buy a house if they want rent relief (lol) is just a few glaring flaws with this government. 
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on March 30, 2022, 06:40:09 PM
It is not worth knicker knotting.

Every election, the Governing parties list a lot of monetary promises, some of which can be 10 years and multiple elections away.

Then the various organisations set up an Oliver Twist  cry of "Please Sir, we want more". It is never enough.

Then the opposition, with the hindsight of the Government's promise does two things.

1. It's spokespersons will cry on TV that the country will go broke.

then

2. A few weeks into the election, will up the anti and promise more.

This is a completely NON-partisan comment. It happens regardless of which party is in power.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on March 30, 2022, 08:23:41 PM
It is not worth knicker knotting.

Every election, the Governing parties list a lot of monetary promises, some of which can be 10 years and multiple elections away.

Then the various organisations set up an Oliver Twist  cry of "Please Sir, we want more". It is never enough.

Then the opposition, with the hindsight of the Government's promise does two things.

1. It's spokespersons will cry on TV that the country will go broke.

then

2. A few weeks into the election, will up the anti and promise more.

This is a completely NON-partisan comment. It happens regardless of which party is in power.


100% correct old fella!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on March 30, 2022, 08:26:18 PM
It is not worth knicker knotting.

Every election, the Governing parties list a lot of monetary promises, some of which can be 10 years and multiple elections away.

Then the various organisations set up an Oliver Twist  cry of "Please Sir, we want more". It is never enough.

Then the opposition, with the hindsight of the Government's promise does two things.

1. It's spokespersons will cry on TV that the country will go broke.

then

2. A few weeks into the election, will up the anti and promise more.

This is a completely NON-partisan comment. It happens regardless of which party is in power.
And this is the attitude which supresses progress.  "the other party is the same, might as well keep voting for this one who can give me some money now!". 

Like I said, the gullible.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on March 30, 2022, 11:09:47 PM
The politics is the same across the party's. The policies are are not. What policies are in place what actions they do or do not take are what effect us.

Just to say they are the same without contexts is just lazy, a cheap political trick.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on March 31, 2022, 09:15:21 AM
It is not worth knicker knotting.

Every election, the Governing parties list a lot of monetary promises, some of which can be 10 years and multiple elections away.

Then the various organisations set up an Oliver Twist  cry of "Please Sir, we want more". It is never enough.

Then the opposition, with the hindsight of the Government's promise does two things.

1. It's spokespersons will cry on TV that the country will go broke.

then

2. A few weeks into the election, will up the anti and promise more.

This is a completely NON-partisan comment. It happens regardless of which party is in power.
And this is the attitude which supresses progress. "the other party is the same, might as well keep voting for this one who can give me some money now!". 

Like I said, the gullible.

I don't see anything in the post that suggests that.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on March 31, 2022, 09:27:54 AM
I said a while ago that SloMo & Co are a semi-socialist party and the highlights of this budget prove it
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on March 31, 2022, 10:53:17 AM
Here's a cracker in the new budget:

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The Morrison Government’s 2022-2023 Federal Budget has slashed funding for public schools by $559 million over the next three years, whilst increasing funding for private schools by $2.6 billion
https://www.aeufederal.org.au/news-media/media-releases/2022/march/300322
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on March 31, 2022, 12:20:35 PM
Here's a cracker in the new budget:

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The Morrison Government’s 2022-2023 Federal Budget has slashed funding for public schools by $559 million over the next three years, whilst increasing funding for private schools by $2.6 billion
https://www.aeufederal.org.au/news-media/media-releases/2022/march/300322
This is the level of contempt they have for the majority of the population that send their children to public schools and just another example in their ongoing quest to increase social and economic inequality in Australia.
The born to rule mentality that has been an article of faith for the Liberal Party has rarely been more on display in the last 50 years than right here and right now.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 03, 2022, 07:20:12 AM
Looks like 'they' are out to get SloMo, his own pre-selection is now being questioned

All these attacks on him, and they are all coming from his own side. Labor must be rubbing their hands together
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on April 03, 2022, 04:11:59 PM
Looks like 'they' are out to get SloMo, his own pre-selection is now being questioned

All these attacks on him, and they are all coming from his own side. Labor must be rubbing their hands together
It has been known since the day that he first nominated for parliament that his preselection was a farce.
That he lost the preselection vote 68-4 was never disputed and that’s what the local Liberal Party members thought of him.What happened then was nasty rumours about the winning candidate coming from who knows where with no fingerprints on them.Towke was then persuaded to stand down because the rumours would hang over the election.With it being so close to nomination deadlines there was no chance to have another preselection so the runner up -Mr 4 Votes-got the gig.Almost immediately information became available that showed the claims against Towke were baseless.
By the way Howard’s defence of him this week was a joke.Howard sacked Morrison as head of Tourism Australia because he kept going behind the back of the minister who said he couldn’t be trusted.
Leopard.Change.Spots.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on April 03, 2022, 05:28:13 PM
I am not entirely convinced that Scott Morrison will even contest the next election as a candidate. 8) There is still time for a change.

(Remember that Bob Hawke only became the ALP leader a few weeks before he won the PM job.)

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 04, 2022, 08:08:33 AM
His ego will dictate he will run

Labor is still 10 points up in the polls, but we all know how unreliable polls can be

But I don't think it is going to be a close election. The Libs should start their smear campaigns soon, it is a hallmark of how they run elections
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 04, 2022, 08:11:00 AM
It should come to a pont where they stop interviewing ex Prime Ministers, they add no real value, their opinions are always biased
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on April 04, 2022, 07:37:24 PM
I wonder if Bob Brown will organise another rally to help the LNP win seats in Central Qld. like he did last time.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 05, 2022, 06:37:06 AM
Bob who?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 05, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
I saw a sitting Federal Liberal MP from one of the NSW flood ravaged area's on the ABC news this morning absolutely shyte canning Morrison. She is resigning at next election and won't be voting Liberal

WOW, can it get any worse for Morrison. I have never ever seen anything like this before.

Labor must be loving it
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on April 05, 2022, 12:14:21 PM
I saw a sitting Federal Liberal MP from one of the NSW flood ravaged area's on the ABC news this morning absolutely shyte canning Morrison. She is resigning at next election and won't be voting Liberal

WOW, can it get any worse for Morrison. I have never ever seen anything like this before.

Labor must be loving it
She was outraged because when federal aid was announced for the Northern Rivers flood zones the areas that were in seats held by the Coalition got money but if you were in a area covered by a Labor held seat you got no money.Punishment for voting Labor.
Something similar happened in the NSW Covid lockdowns.In Penrith Council area if you were in the part that was in the Liberal held state seat you were spared hard lockdown but if you were literally across the other side of Northern Road in a Labor held state seat you were put into hard lockdown.Punishment for voting Labor.
It is the way they think and the way they act.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on April 05, 2022, 03:10:54 PM
Dastardly fellow that Morrison (allegedly).

Yet, the polls have shown him consistently favoured ahead of Albanese as PM.

The absolute worst that could happen for Morrison would be for Professor van Oselin and the ABC opinionators (not Antony Green) suddenly stop telling the Australian public that Labor will win, just like they did last time. ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 05, 2022, 03:29:22 PM
Dastardly fellow that Morrison (allegedly).

Yet, the polls have shown him consistently favoured ahead of Albanese as PM
not sure what polls you are reading but the one publicised show them eithrr head and head or Albo slightly ahead
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on April 05, 2022, 04:02:21 PM
Dastardly fellow that Morrison (allegedly).

Yet, the polls have shown him consistently favoured ahead of Albanese as PM
not sure what polls you are reading but the one publicised show them eithrr head and head or Albo slightly ahead

Talking about Leader vs Leader, not Party vs Party.

I have looked at The Guardian Essential poll, The Poll Bludger, Newspoll, Australian financial Review.

The point I was attempting to make is that if Morrison is SO bad, why do more voters polled, even if only a small margin, show him ahead.

If the bad press about Morrison was either true or believed true by the polled voters, then the squeeky clean Albanese should be massively ahead, yet trails the 2pp ALP vote by a big margin.

I find the election swings and roundabouts interesting, and, in particular, the sudden entry of vocal complainants who have sat on the grievances for more than a decade and suddenly remember just when the media are prepared to splash their allegations about, just before an election. (on both sides)  :o ::)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 05, 2022, 05:22:45 PM
I foresee a 'Howard' or 'Abbott' outcome for Morrison. Not only will the Libs lose the election but Morrison will lose his seat. He is more on the nose than even Whitlam was
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on April 05, 2022, 07:39:00 PM
I have no confidence ,only hope , that the Coalition will be thrown out.
Remember in 2019 bookmakers we’re paying out on a Labor win 10 days before the election and even the exit polls showed Labor winning.Later analysis showed there was a “shy” Coalition voter-people who were going to vote for the Coalition but wouldn’t admit to it.
Currently the only groups where the Coalition is ahead are retirees and Queenslanders.They have to find another group that are fiercely resistant to the prospect of any type of change and then convince them that they can stop it.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on April 06, 2022, 02:54:07 PM
Then you have ScoMo hand selecting who he wants in pre selections too.

He'll get back in. Sadly there are enough rusted ons who always vote for the same party, because their parents did and their parents did.

Likewise, the Nats, but a lot of farmers still think that because they wear Akubras and RMs, they relate to them.

Also, you have those that think Labor are evil bastards that are infiltrated by the Russians/North Koreans/Chinese/ Satanists/Lizard people and think that they'll ruin the nation as soon as they win the election, despite being in opposition for nigh on ten years.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on April 06, 2022, 03:48:04 PM
biggest problem as I see it (my view only) really is who the hell DO you vote for?

both sides aren't worth spitting on... choose which type of cancer you want for the country :(

I do not see one even half decent option and, regardless of who gets in, we'll just keep on wandering down the same road with little deviations depending on which party is in office screwing over this nation/state/council.

we are screwed.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on April 06, 2022, 04:03:14 PM
biggest problem as I see it (my view only) really is who the hell DO you vote for?

both sides aren't worth spitting on... choose which type of cancer you want for the country :(

I do not see one even half decent option and, regardless of who gets in, we'll just keep on wandering down the same road with little deviations depending on which party is in office screwing over this nation/state/council.

we are screwed.
That’s why my personal choice would be an independents balance of power in a Labor government.The Windsor/Oakshott version actually worked well in practice unless you are part of the Coalition Born To Rule Supporters Club.
My action priorities are climate change (the independents would force Labor to backtrack on its support for the fossil fuel crowd) and anti corruption (Helen Hayes has a piece of legislation ready to go).The third thing is the inter generational theft involved in the outrageous tax treatment of investment in residential properties.No one has the guts to threaten the Great Australian Housing Ponzi Scheme so that obscenity will go untouched forever regardless of who is in government.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 07, 2022, 07:01:51 AM
The third thing is the inter generational theft involved in the outrageous tax treatment of investment in residential properties. No one has the guts to threaten the Great Australian Housing Ponzi Scheme so that obscenity will go untouched forever regardless of who is in government.
Are you talking about 'negative gearing'?

If you are then a few facts are in order.
1. Renters determine the rent they pay - you have to think about that - IF I had a rental property and set the rent too high then it would be sitting empty and I would lose the benefits of having a rental property
2. 80% of rental properties are owned by 'mum and dad' investors, not some big multi-national
3.Why are 'mum and dad' investors buying houses?  That is easy, my generation has been told by consecutive Governments that aged pension is not sustainable - through no fault of their own, they (baby boomers) were born into an era where their parents bred like rabbits. So what was the advice when told there might not be a pension?  Invest in property!!!!! and that is what they did, now they are being criticised for it.

I think negative gearing should stay, but under the model proposed by Shorten's last attempt at Government, it only applies to new builds, not buying existing houses - you have to think about that

and all this should be taken to a different thread
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: madbugger on April 07, 2022, 07:57:37 AM
I can't understand all the hate for negative gearing. Someone has to provide housing for renters (public housing), there are 2 options, 1, the government or 2 private investors.

If there were no private investors to do this then there would be very little housing available for rent as the government is NOT going to provide the amount of housing that is required.

IF you want private investors to provide the housing that the Government can't , then you need to give them a little bit of an incentive to do so. The cost to the country in loss of revenue from negative gearing incentives would be a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of the Government having to own and maintain the vast amounts of properties that would be needed to replace all those privately owned rentals.

This would then mean a further reduction to all the other services that the Government is not providing adequately to now.

Anyone who wants to see an end to negative gearing should think long and hard about what they wish for, it may just bite them very hard on the bum if they get what they wish for.

NB. I don't now and have never owned a negative geared property.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on April 07, 2022, 08:44:11 AM
The third thing is the inter generational theft involved in the outrageous tax treatment of investment in residential properties. No one has the guts to threaten the Great Australian Housing Ponzi Scheme so that obscenity will go untouched forever regardless of who is in government.
Are you talking about 'negative gearing'?

If you are then a few facts are in order.
1. Renters determine the rent they pay - you have to think about that - IF I had a rental property and set the rent too high then it would be sitting empty and I would lose the benefits of having a rental property
2. 80% of rental properties are owned by 'mum and dad' investors, not some big multi-national
3.Why are 'mum and dad' investors buying houses?  That is easy, my generation has been told by consecutive Governments that aged pension is not sustainable - through no fault of their own, they (baby boomers) were born into an era where their parents bred like rabbits. So what was the advice when told there might not be a pension?  Invest in property!!!!! and that is what they did, now they are being criticised for it.

I think negative gearing should stay, but under the model proposed by Shorten's last attempt at Government, it only applies to new builds, not buying existing houses - you have to think about that

and all this should be taken to a different thread

Disagree with point 1 Trev.

Perhaps in a market where there is a ton of housing available that may be the case, but when housing is in short supply it is definitely not correct. In Melb the owners can pretty much name their price and people are so desperate to get the houses that they are paying monstrous amounts. Far more, in my opinion, than what the housing is worth... and some of the houses are in very poor condition, but sometimes you simply have no choice.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on April 07, 2022, 08:53:04 AM
biggest problem as I see it (my view only) really is who the hell DO you vote for?

both sides aren't worth spitting on... choose which type of cancer you want for the country :(

I do not see one even half decent option and, regardless of who gets in, we'll just keep on wandering down the same road with little deviations depending on which party is in office screwing over this nation/state/council.

we are screwed.

Simple, vote for change. The party's want to cling to power, that's why they only act at election time. Stop voting in the same rabble. Make them work to stay in government.

We only suffer a low standard of politics because the same bad politics keep getting voted back in.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on April 07, 2022, 09:10:55 AM
Over time, I have had several properties that I have rented out. A couple were negative geared and I also rented my homes when I was working longer term in country areas or Darwin for extended periods.

A lot is made of the oppression of tenants rights and the oppression by cruel landlords.

From first hand experience, I can tell you that some tenants are just grubs. I have had a tenant's dog chew the furniture. I have had to clean up twenty two ute loads of accumulated rubbish and hoarded building materials and car parts, including engines. In another, there were broom handle sized holes pierced through the ceiling with repairs costing about 15% of the purchase price of the house.  >:( Just try to remove a stay put tenant who ceases to pay rent. :(

Landlords are hit with higher taxes and government fees and then there is the percentage deducted, from rent received, by the real estate company, allegedly for monitoring the property.

Increasingly, the landlords have government, all three levels, imposing edicts that are designed to protects the rights of the poor tenant.

Like any business, losses are tax deductable, or negative gearing as it is tagged. The real profit, if any, comes from buying at the right price and later making a capital gain on sale, if one is lucky enough to find a rising market.

I think it was Keating, who tried to get rid of negative gearing, but retreated in the face of landlords exiting the business and rentals becoming harder to find.

After all the hassles and often poor returns, or losses, to the "mum and dad" type investors, is it any wonder that they are choosing, in great numbers, to sell when they are being offered a lot of money by people wanting to buy. At the moment sales prices are high. Our own residence doubled in value over the last several years with the influx of Southerners moving North. I want to sell and move to a retirement village, but I only get one vote, a minority government in effect.

In summary, Negative Gearing is just a tax deduction for business losses and selling now eliminates the loss factor, so just get out of the business, get rid of the constant hassles and invest the money and then pay taxes on the 0.9% interest rates paid by the banks.

Then sit back and listen, on TV,  to the plaintive cries that rentals are hard to come by and the government should provide cheap or free housing. The level of cries will escalate over the next few weeks of the election.  ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: madbugger on April 07, 2022, 12:33:28 PM
Over time, I have had several properties that I have rented out. A couple were negative geared and I also rented my homes when I was working longer term in country areas or Darwin for extended periods.

A lot is made of the oppression of tenants rights and the oppression by cruel landlords.

From first hand experience, I can tell you that some tenants are just grubs. I have had a tenant's dog chew the furniture. I have had to clean up twenty two ute loads of accumulated rubbish and hoarded building materials and car parts, including engines. In another, there were broom handle sized holes pierced through the ceiling with repairs costing about 15% of the purchase price of the house.  >:( Just try to remove a stay put tenant who ceases to pay rent. :(

Landlords are hit with higher taxes and government fees and then there is the percentage deducted, from rent received, by the real estate company, allegedly for monitoring the property.

Increasingly, the landlords have government, all three levels, imposing edicts that are designed to protects the rights of the poor tenant.

Like any business, losses are tax deductable, or negative gearing as it is tagged. The real profit, if any, comes from buying at the right price and later making a capital gain on sale, if one is lucky enough to find a rising market.

I think it was Keating, who tried to get rid of negative gearing, but retreated in the face of landlords exiting the business and rentals becoming harder to find.

After all the hassles and often poor returns, or losses, to the "mum and dad" type investors, is it any wonder that they are choosing, in great numbers, to sell when they are being offered a lot of money by people wanting to buy. At the moment sales prices are high. Our own residence doubled in value over the last several years with the influx of Southerners moving North. I want to sell and move to a retirement village, but I only get one vote, a minority government in effect.

In summary, Negative Gearing is just a tax deduction for business losses and selling now eliminates the loss factor, so just get out of the business, get rid of the constant hassles and invest the money and then pay taxes on the 0.9% interest rates paid by the banks.

Then sit back and listen, on TV,  to the plaintive cries that rentals are hard to come by and the government should provide cheap or free housing. The level of cries will escalate over the next few weeks of the election.  ;D

Hard to argue against any of that, but I’m sure some will ;D ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 07, 2022, 02:50:06 PM
Also, the haters of negative gearing do not realise that in thiis day, there is nothing for nothing.

The little bit that is gained in negative gearing is given back when the property is sold, this tax payable by the house owner is called Capital Gains Tax, which is about 30% payable on any equity made on the property
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 07, 2022, 02:53:01 PM
The third thing is the inter generational theft involved in the outrageous tax treatment of investment in residential properties. No one has the guts to threaten the Great Australian Housing Ponzi Scheme so that obscenity will go untouched forever regardless of who is in government.
Are you talking about 'negative gearing'?

If you are then a few facts are in order.
1. Renters determine the rent they pay - you have to think about that - IF I had a rental property and set the rent too high then it would be sitting empty and I would lose the benefits of having a rental property
2. 80% of rental properties are owned by 'mum and dad' investors, not some big multi-national
3.Why are 'mum and dad' investors buying houses?  That is easy, my generation has been told by consecutive Governments that aged pension is not sustainable - through no fault of their own, they (baby boomers) were born into an era where their parents bred like rabbits. So what was the advice when told there might not be a pension?  Invest in property!!!!! and that is what they did, now they are being criticised for it.

I think negative gearing should stay, but under the model proposed by Shorten's last attempt at Government, it only applies to new builds, not buying existing houses - you have to think about that

and all this should be taken to a different thread

Disagree with point 1 Trev.

Perhaps in a market where there is a ton of housing available that may be the case, but when housing is in short supply it is definitely not correct. In Melb the owners can pretty much name their price and people are so desperate to get the houses that they are paying monstrous amounts. Far more, in my opinion, than what the housing is worth... and some of the houses are in very poor condition, but sometimes you simply have no choice.
exactly my point, people are paying
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on April 07, 2022, 03:49:48 PM
The issue of Independent MPs is interesting. Are they really independents?

How some independents voted in the 46th Parliament on Divisions.

Andrew Wilkie, Clark, Tas, held by a former Green Candidate turned Independent anti poker machine activist. 92.6% with Labor.

Helen Haines, Indi, Vic., previously a Liberal seat.   67.9% with Labor.

Zali Steggall, Warringah, NSW, previously a Liberal seat.   66.0% with Labor.

Rebekha Sharkie  Mayo, SA, previously a Liberal seat.   64.6% with Labor.

Source: Parliamentary Library

There are some Independent candidates at this election with heavy financial backing from Climate 200 (Simon Holmes a Court) which has a very green, anti coalition position.

The current independents are keeping stum about backing a minority Labor Government or a minority Lib/Nat/LNP Government or even about forming a blocking group with any new independents and the Greens to thwart either party. (The Greens by the way, have claimed for some time that they will unseat Albanese and win a few other seats from both parties.)

We live in interesting times and for about 80% of the voters, our vote will not change the incumbency of the current seat holders.

The really interesting result will be the Senate where a lot of that impotent (politically) lot can bring up some very odd results. This is probably where the big spenders Holmes a Court and Palmer could get some results with their surplus pocket money.  ::)

A lot of media pundits are tipping a minority government, in both houses.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on April 07, 2022, 04:11:31 PM
Here is a new development from Clive Palmer's Press Club Chat.

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“From my personal perspective I think I’ll put the Greens ahead of Liberal and Labor because they haven’t been in government and they haven’t been responsible for this debt,” Mr Palmer said.

Like the ABC I’d be putting the Greens ahead of Liberal and Labor.”

Mr Palmer has so far plunged more than $30 million into the Federal Election as his party nominates candidates for all lower house electorates as well as Senate spots.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/clive-palmer-says-he-would-preference-greens-over-coalition-and-labor-party-as-he-hits-out-at-abc-campaign-coverage/news-story/94d1fa1228e31ed2d28da8cda1c746d7
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on April 07, 2022, 06:30:34 PM
The third thing is the inter generational theft involved in the outrageous tax treatment of investment in residential properties. No one has the guts to threaten the Great Australian Housing Ponzi Scheme so that obscenity will go untouched forever regardless of who is in government.
Are you talking about 'negative gearing'?

If you are then a few facts are in order.
1. Renters determine the rent they pay - you have to think about that - IF I had a rental property and set the rent too high then it would be sitting empty and I would lose the benefits of having a rental property
2. 80% of rental properties are owned by 'mum and dad' investors, not some big multi-national
3.Why are 'mum and dad' investors buying houses?  That is easy, my generation has been told by consecutive Governments that aged pension is not sustainable - through no fault of their own, they (baby boomers) were born into an era where their parents bred like rabbits. So what was the advice when told there might not be a pension?  Invest in property!!!!! and that is what they did, now they are being criticised for it.

I think negative gearing should stay, but under the model proposed by Shorten's last attempt at Government, it only applies to new builds, not buying existing houses - you have to think about that

and all this should be taken to a different thread

Disagree with point 1 Trev.

Perhaps in a market where there is a ton of housing available that may be the case, but when housing is in short supply it is definitely not correct. In Melb the owners can pretty much name their price and people are so desperate to get the houses that they are paying monstrous amounts. Far more, in my opinion, than what the housing is worth... and some of the houses are in very poor condition, but sometimes you simply have no choice.
exactly my point, people are paying

except that it isn't the renter that is determining the rent paid... the renter currently (at least in metro Melb) is held over a barrel squealing as they are having vital organs extracted!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on April 07, 2022, 08:54:25 PM
Hopefully the incentive of investment properties is reduced in the future to help stabilise the market and give more opportunities for people to own a home.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on April 07, 2022, 09:18:13 PM
Without a doubt, if I had a rental home in Brisbane, I would sell, take the money and run. A genuine purchaser would then get the home they want and the tenants can go and whinge on the ABC about the dastardly landlords who have the temerity not to buy a home for their use.

Buying a rental home is simply investing in a small business with a view to making a profit, as most investors wish to do. If the business does not make a profit then there is no tax to pay on the profit. Any such losses are set against other income.

This is normal business taxation and some seek to make it a political issue by tagging it Negative Gearing. I would not be surprised to find that a lot of landlords have exited the market and the tenants would be supporting whatever party whinges the loudest about the poor downtroden tenant.

There is a clear difference between the parties related to this string, but it wont change my intention to vote for a woman, a single mum and a professed aboriginal, simply because the incumbent is not really up to scratch IMHO. i don't believe new governments are voted in, rather old governments are voted out when enough people, in the marginals get a stench from the incombents.

The leaders and attention grabbing politicians and journalists are not running in Bonner. They are out of my influence potential. 8)

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on April 07, 2022, 09:37:46 PM
The fundamental importance of residential housing is not as an investment opportunity but as a core of social and economic stability.It was Menzie’s big pitch when he founded the Liberal Party.Although negative gearing was there things stayed in a sort of balance until Costello halved the capital gains tax.Within a year the share of home loans in Sydney written for investors went from a long term figure of around 14% of loans to over 50%.This heated up the prices and started putting people out of the market.This has continued to get worse.Long term because the entire Australian retirement income system is based on the premise that the vast majority of people own their homes a situation where a big number don’t is either socially or economically unsustainable.Do those 40% live on the street or do we build social housing for 40% of the population?Added to that is that residential property investment while lucrative for those lucky investors is a completely economically unproductive investment.
Big issues with massive long term implications that won’t hit fully home until most of us are dead and every current politician is long gone from the parliament.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on April 07, 2022, 09:43:26 PM
The fundamental importance of residential housing is not as an investment opportunity but as a core of social and economic stability....

OK! Why then would investors choose to invest this way if it is not a business opportunity?

PS. I don't think Menzies is running in this election. ::)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on April 07, 2022, 10:32:23 PM
The fundamental importance of residential housing is not as an investment opportunity but as a core of social and economic stability....

OK! Why then would investors choose to invest this way if it is not a business opportunity?

PS. I don't think Menzies is running in this election. ::)
I said it is a business opportunity under the current taxation rules.That should not be the primary or even secondary purpose of residential housing.It is giving people a socially cohesive and economically sustainable way to build their lives.
Australia is moving towards a 2 class society based on residential property ownership.
The Menzies example was just pointing out how far the Liberal Party has moved from the tenants it was founded on to one worshipping laissez faire capitalism to the point of greed is good .
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on April 07, 2022, 10:47:35 PM
Simple answer. Stop buying houses for other people. No profit, why bother.

Rentals are fast becoming a charity and there are better charities than looking after scum and whingers, although they make a small portion of renters they are still out there.

Personally, we have bequeathed our home to the Salvation Army to use for genuine welfare housing for senior women in need.

None of which changes my attitude to the ALP and LNP coalition. IMHO, the Greens are worse.

maybe I should just vote for Craig Lowndes?

a pox on all their houses. :(
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on April 07, 2022, 10:56:57 PM
Corrected.

In other reports, this was incorrectly attributed to Zoe Daniel, a long time ABC journalist and now independent candidate.

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Senior campaign operatives for independent Zoe Daniel have publicly called for Jewish advocacy groups to “shut up” and have compared Scott Morrison with Adolf Hitler.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/independent-zoe-daniels-campaign-organisers-compare-scott-morrison-to-hitler/news-story/5aaf868b8ae5552214f421208958577c

Regardless of your opinion of Morrison, a comparison to Hitler is way over the top.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 08, 2022, 06:14:35 AM
I live in a blue ribbon 'right' seat, it has mostly been held by the Nationals, but we had a long stint recently of a Liberal who held the seat

This election has turned into a 3 way battle, a Nat, a Lib and an Independent.  I know the Independent reasonably well, I reckon he has a good shot of getting up.  I know the Nats are nervous as the sitting member (a Nat) is retiring and his selected replacement is not that well known. 

There was a bit in the Fin Review about it - https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/independent-has-nationals-worried-about-one-of-their-safest-seats-20220405-p5aax6?fbclid=IwAR3y3NX4697VXeTDkgV5vfLzLoci2pJ_KYnhZXDEJ2voi8BAp_sOcZG_kxI
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on April 08, 2022, 06:41:29 AM
As long as the intellectual level of Aussies doesn't reduce to the level of the Clive Palmer vote, we'll be ok.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on April 08, 2022, 07:17:39 AM
I live in a blue ribbon 'right' seat, it has mostly been held by the Nationals, but we had a long stint recently of a Liberal who held the seat

This election has turned into a 3 way battle, a Nat, a Lib and an Independent.  I know the Independent reasonably well, I reckon he has a good shot of getting up.  I know the Nats are nervous as the sitting member (a Nat) is retiring and his selected replacement is not that well known. 

There was a bit in the Fin Review about it - https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/independent-has-nationals-worried-about-one-of-their-safest-seats-20220405-p5aax6?fbclid=IwAR3y3NX4697VXeTDkgV5vfLzLoci2pJ_KYnhZXDEJ2voi8BAp_sOcZG_kxI

Apart from Littleproud, the sitting member,the people of Maranoa have no idea who else is going to run. It leaves very little time to do any due diligence on the hopefuls. Mind you, he got over 70% of the vote last time.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 08, 2022, 09:43:18 AM
As long as the intellectual level of Aussies doesn't reduce to the level of the Clive Palmer vote, we'll be ok.
100% agree - there is a video (comical one) doing the rounds on FB that shoots all their claims in the foot
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on April 08, 2022, 11:42:23 PM
Corrected.

In other reports, this was incorrectly attributed to Zoe Daniel, a long time ABC journalist and now independent candidate.

Quote
Senior campaign operatives for independent Zoe Daniel have publicly called for Jewish advocacy groups to “shut up” and have compared Scott Morrison with Adolf Hitler.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/independent-zoe-daniels-campaign-organisers-compare-scott-morrison-to-hitler/news-story/5aaf868b8ae5552214f421208958577c

Regardless of your opinion of Morrison, a comparison to Hitler is way over the top.

Definitely,  Hitler, all for the wrong reasons rebuilt a broken country. Morrison is a failed used car salesman crippling our country.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on April 09, 2022, 08:01:09 AM
Corrected.

In other reports, this was incorrectly attributed to Zoe Daniel, a long time ABC journalist and now independent candidate.

Quote
Senior campaign operatives for independent Zoe Daniel have publicly called for Jewish advocacy groups to “shut up” and have compared Scott Morrison with Adolf Hitler.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/independent-zoe-daniels-campaign-organisers-compare-scott-morrison-to-hitler/news-story/5aaf868b8ae5552214f421208958577c

Regardless of your opinion of Morrison, a comparison to Hitler is way over the top.
Standard Murdoch lie.Don’t worry it will get a lot worse between now and the election.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on April 10, 2022, 10:53:28 AM
It's finally been called for the 21st.

Now they can actually start campaigning.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on April 10, 2022, 06:32:54 PM
It's finally been called for the 21st.

Now they can actually start campaigning.

Well I'll be voting early... Supercars at Winton that weekend.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 11, 2022, 05:47:29 AM
and Top Fuellers at Heathcote - still deciding which one to attend, at this stage Heathcote is leading the way
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 11, 2022, 05:51:07 AM
just hope Albo makes no mistakes as SloMo will make heaps
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on April 11, 2022, 02:47:57 PM
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If an election were held today, based on the two-party preferred vote

53% Labor
47% Liberal
Apr 10, 2022


Who would make the better PM?

Anthony Albanese, Labor -3%, 39%

Scott Morrison, Liberal +1%, 44%

Uncommitted 17%
Apr 10, 2022
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on April 11, 2022, 03:44:44 PM
just hope Albo makes no mistakes as SloMo will make heaps
Today not knowing the unemployment rate and cash rate wasn’t a good start.
Free advice.He should also know figures for fixed and variable home loans,levels of payment for social security benefits and income tax rates at different income levels.
Figures like that should be stapled to his brain.
In the next 7 weeks platitudes won’t cut it.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: meha on April 11, 2022, 04:36:31 PM
Yep, the election has now been called. I apparently live in a marginal seat that the media thinks will be one of the keys to who will win the election. To be honest we have a federal member who I have never met and never seen at any event. Although he is a farmer and ex military so he certainly appeals to the liberal voters. As for the Labor candidate I can tell you that he is a local council member, and a VET teacher but beyond that there is very little known about him unless you live in his council area (I do not).

Basically, it comes down to a member who has been in since 2019 and done little, but then is only just getting started, against a candidate who few will of heard of. The idea that the mainstream media is trying to promote is Morrison v Albanese which is irrelevant to me. If anything the last few years has taught us is that neither of them will probably be there for the full term anyway.

However, for me the importance of this election will be the polling station with the best sausage sizzle, the best cake stall and that may well get my vote on election day.  :P :P
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on April 11, 2022, 06:38:29 PM
Another election which will be won based on the greed of people unable to look further than 6 months into the future at the substantial cost to future generations.

It'll never cease to amaze me how much conservatives hate their own children and grandchildren
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on April 11, 2022, 08:37:50 PM
Another election which will be won based on the greed of people unable to look further than 6 months into the future at the substantial cost to future generations.

It'll never cease to amaze me how much conservatives hate their own children and grandchildren
This 100%.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 12, 2022, 06:00:48 AM
Another election which will be won based on the greed of people unable to look further than 6 months into the future at the substantial cost to future generations.

It'll never cease to amaze me how much conservatives hate their own children and grandchildren
what has astounded me, and I am surprised that the ALP hasn't run with it, is that this Government got in on the back of the 'BUDGET EMERGENCY'a and yet have increased our debt by 7 times into the $trillions with little to show for it - of course they will use the excuse of 'COVID', we guess what? Kevin 07 had the 'GFC'.  This mob had us in serious debt long before 'COVID'.  And this bunch of phonies are calling Labor out for their financial ability - what a bunch of losers they are

They are incompetent, their leader is incompetent, their treasurer is incompetent, their health minister is incompetent, their defence minister is incompetent, their water minister is incompetent, the deputy PM is beyond incompetent.  About the only one that seems to have some competence is the Foreign Minister

Interestingly, the local advertising for the NP person running does not include a picture of Barnaby Joyce, it has other notable Nats, but Littleproud and Joyce are not on there
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on April 12, 2022, 06:21:30 PM
Nah, the MSM aren't biased at all  ;)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 13, 2022, 05:24:45 AM
so so true - Sky have been having a field day with it
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on April 13, 2022, 05:50:17 PM
so so true - Sky have been having a field day with it

Today's big topic was that the ABC are biased towards a Labor.


Do we really have to vote this election?

Aparrently we didn't have to that during the last election as ScoMo was brought to power through prayer and devine intervention.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 14, 2022, 06:21:10 AM
I subscribe to Media Watch with Paul Barry on FB, every so often he does little snippets of news worthy bits, these are called 'Media Bites' - they are great, you don't get to see them on TV - here is his latest - sorry if you don't have FB

Warning, there is some criticism of the most biased news reporting in Australia, yes FOX (oops sorry Sky, or is that Murdoch)

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=comet_rhc_widget&t=223&v=515978596588950
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on April 14, 2022, 09:31:54 AM
Media Watch was once a rather good show.

Under Paul Barry, it has degenerated considerably, and now vies for "The most biased TV show in Australia".

Just Sky and ABC, two opposites biased in different directions.

Sky is privately owned and can do what it likes, even support Labor e.g. Kevin Rudd, at the time. I don't watch it either.

The ABC charter is that shows should be even handed and Paul Barry and his expensive large team of assistants are not.

Paul forgets that the ABC is media too. Maybe he should try criticising some of the ABC muck raking shows, that can be as bad as anything on the commercial channels.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 14, 2022, 09:43:44 AM
maybe you should watch it more, even on the link I provided, he bags the ABC all the time, even in that video

YOUR biases are hanging out 'ol mate
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on April 14, 2022, 11:01:21 AM
maybe you should watch it more, even on the link I provided, he bags the ABC all the time, even in that video

YOUR biases are hanging out 'ol mate


He's not the only one   ;)

Now stick to the posts thanks.  :)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on April 14, 2022, 05:51:41 PM
I find it strange that there are people with a lean to one side in politics who consider anyone without that same lean as biassed.  ::)

May I clearly state that I am a cenralist (to coin a term) and abhor extremist comments of the left and of the right, including TV programs and opinionated talking heads on TV and their equivalent in the print media.

So I no longer bother with muck raking programs from either side.

Since this string has been reduced to member denigration, I withdraw from it, for a while at least.

May the 20% or so of Australian voters not in safe seats make a wise decision and I will live with it. It will likely be my last Fed election anyway.


However, I find that the REALLY interesting contest is the Senate election run at the same time and will be following it with great interest.

(particularly Federal funding for dementia care and invalid care.  ;D )
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 15, 2022, 08:04:58 PM
So being a centralist means you don't take in wide view points to form a bigger picture - cool
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on April 16, 2022, 06:29:25 PM
So being a centralist means you don't take in wide view points to form a bigger picture - cool

Instead of the personal attacks how about you try using facts to argue you point of view?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 17, 2022, 05:07:56 AM
Instead of the personal attacks how about you try using facts to argue you point of view?
you mean like you and he did?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: coyote302 on April 17, 2022, 09:49:21 AM
Instead of the personal attacks how about you try using facts to argue you point of view?
you mean like you and he did?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ok show me where I used a personal attack?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 17, 2022, 12:39:30 PM
Please keep up, he mentioned lack of facts, I was purely saying you don't provide them
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on April 19, 2022, 08:49:00 PM
Never forget. Drove people to suicide. One of the largest class actions in the nations history of which the government lost, and yet accountability nowhere to be seen. Hope no one is surprised at the lack of the federal ICAC.

(https://i.imgur.com/oFitjVE.png)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on April 19, 2022, 09:17:38 PM
Never forget. Drove people to suicide. One of the largest class actions in the nations history of which the government lost, and yet accountability nowhere to be seen. Hope no one is surprised at the lack of the federal ICAC.

(https://i.imgur.com/oFitjVE.png)
Add in Morrison’s captains pick of and continuing support of Deves in Warringah..What does it matter driving some vulnerable people to suicide if it means you can pick up the votes of religious conservatives in marginal seats?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 20, 2022, 05:19:35 AM
This Government is a disgrace, just lies and mismanagment

Remember the 'budget emergency' ****ing idiots
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 20, 2022, 05:21:34 AM
My daughter got a Robo-debt, it is still not resolved.  There is class action going on over it
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 20, 2022, 09:19:00 AM
I see ol' SloMo & Co missed the boat with the Solomon Islands, now . . . . . . . . . .

This has to be the worst Government in my living memory
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on April 22, 2022, 08:13:44 AM
I see ol' SloMo & Co missed the boat with the Solomon Islands, now . . . . . . . . . .

This has to be the worst Government in my living memory

He's now preaching about the past helpfulness of us in the Solomon's which puts us in great stead with them.

They've dropped the ball on that, and surely the voting public might have enough brain power to work out that a Chinese military base from here to Perth away is a far bigger threat than the opposition who are supposedly great mates with China.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 22, 2022, 09:29:00 AM
he sent a Junior Minister at the 11th hour, far too late with far too little

Seems to be the way this Government has operated "far too late with far too little" with fires, floods & pandemic - this should be their slogan for the 2022 election campaign

Liberals, the Government that provides "far too late with far too little"
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on April 22, 2022, 01:18:50 PM
Under the Coalition in the last 10 years Australia has halved the amount of aid they give to Pacific nations.Then there’s Australia’s pathetic climate inaction which is an existential problem for Pacific nations.Then there’s Dutton’s patronising bordering on racist comments about Pacific nations in 2015.Then there’s Morrison’s dismissal and contempt for multinational bodies which he made after he became prime minister to appeal to his xenophobic base.Then there’s the Foreign Minister who is no doubt too preoccupied being the Prime Minister For Women to do her day job.
All this adds up so that Pacific nations have come to view Australia as patronising and isolationist.They go looking for friends elsewhere.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 26, 2022, 05:51:39 PM
Unreal, Barnaby Joyce et el were in town today to announce a $19.5m upgrade to our hospital - this is the seat that the Nats hold but was held by a Lib prior

Obviously the Independent has them very very nervous (are previously stated). I am hoping voters can see through this vote buying ****

Zero on policy announcements but big on vote buying.  The Treasurer was in Labor territory today at the Whitten oval, again buying votes - no policy announcement, just vote buying
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on April 27, 2022, 12:31:34 PM
What's the next scare campaign by the Libs - I see they are trotting out the 'carbon tax' hoax again - it worked last time so they think the bull-**** will work again - they are a bunch of low life liars - Abbott all over again - they deserve their arses kicked

Have they actually announced any real policies yet or just made funding announcements?

All I see is funding announcements
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on April 28, 2022, 08:27:30 AM
Just when he thought he had it easy in the campaign, the RBA come out and suggest that there's an interest rate rise and inflation has gone up.

It'll be interesting to see how they'll spin that.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on April 28, 2022, 11:11:19 AM
Every bit about their “superior economic management” is just a lie that if you repeat enough people will believe.
They are running a scam operation transferring wealth from wage and salary earners to companies and property investors.
Expect Murdoch press to go ballistic anti Labor now that they have announced a policy that will make them pay more than a token amount of tax and stop them transferring money back to Rupert’s mothership tax free.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on May 02, 2022, 11:15:01 AM
Is it just me, or has there been very little in the way of election ads so far?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on May 02, 2022, 01:57:52 PM
Is it just me, or has there been very little in the way of election ads so far?

Plenty from the fat fella and his fat fella mate...  :)  :)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 02, 2022, 05:39:57 PM
Is it just me, or has there been very little in the way of election ads so far?
the Libs and the Nats have started, more-so the Nats as it is their seat, but the sitting member is resigning, which is good coz he did nothing anyway

I think initially they thought their new man was home and hosed then this pesky Independent nominated and since day one, even before the election was called he has hit the ground running. He is 'town hall'ing' all over the electorate - he has caught the Nats and Libs napping

They are pumping in the ads now though - might be too little too late though
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on May 02, 2022, 07:40:07 PM
Is it just me, or has there been very little in the way of election ads so far?
I dunno,

FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 03, 2022, 06:00:11 PM
Never ever in the 42 years of living in this electorate have I seen Party bosses pledging money, 2 substantial announcements in the last week from the Nats, the bastards are nervous
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on May 04, 2022, 09:22:27 PM
Shouldn't be surprised

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/lnp-senate-candidate-believes-bill-gates-was-behind-covid-and-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism-20220504-p5aicl.html
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 05, 2022, 04:53:31 AM
Not at all - they are dinosaurs  >:(
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on May 10, 2022, 07:41:27 PM
Conservative MPs are feeling more brave to air their beleifs in the light of what's happening in the US.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/liberal-mp-doubles-down-on-comments-that-raped-women-should-be-denied-abortions-20220510-p5ak0i.html
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 11, 2022, 05:46:04 AM
as I said they are dinosaurs, and thankfully they will be soon extinct

Polling yesterday seems the ALP are still going to win
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on May 12, 2022, 10:41:10 PM
Without entering the online V8 Central debate, I have now voted by post, as appropriate for an elderly person.

I have been very, VERY unimpressed with schoolboy standard (sorry schoolperson) alleged debating and rhetoric for BOTH PM candidates (and by the media shouting rabble at press conferences).

Fortunately neither of them are contesting my electorate.

Parties are paid from the taxpayer money pool only (or so I understand)  if they get a certain percentage of the primary vote.

As per usual practice, I gave my primary vote to a candidate that has absolutely no chance of reaching that threshold, thus keeping the taxpayer dollars with the Government, then voted for my choice who wont get the cash handout.

On examination, I surmised that my individual vote, either way, would have negligible effect in a seat wit a 7.4% margin.

Then I looked at the Senate. There are 6 seats up for grabs and the ALP and LNP will each each easily get 2 of the first 4.The fifth seat will probably go to the Greens.

so, in reality, the only seat that I can meaningfully influence is the sixth seat.

Chances are, this will be contested by the LNP third candidate, PHON and UAP and that trio order is where I cast my meaningful vote.

It is interesting that electors need only vote for 6 groups or parties above the line, so many votes will have been extinguished before it gets to the sixth seat contest.


PS: The PHON candidate is Pauline herself.

The UAP candidate is Clive himself.

PPS: I am not a fan of Clive but it would be much more interesting for the next years of my life if Clive sits in the Senate with a minority government in the House of Reps.


PPPS (or whatever): The Senate is where it gets REALLY interesting. The House of Re[ps will still be hamstring regardless of whether Tweedledumb or Tweedle-even-Dumber is the PM>

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: madbugger on May 13, 2022, 07:24:49 AM
Without entering the online V8 Central debate, I have now voted by post, as appropriate for an elderly person.

. . . . . . .


PS: The PHON candidate is Pauline herself.

The UAP candidate is Clive himself.

PPS: I am not a fan of Clive but it would be much more interesting for the next years of my life if Clive sits in the Senate with a minority government in the House of Reps.


PPPS (or whatever): The Senate is where it gets REALLY interesting. The House of Re[ps will still be hamstring regardless of whether Tweedledumb or Tweedle-even-Dumber is the PM>

It seems you have really sat down and thought meaningfully about how you want your vote to count, rather than just vote along party lines (whichever party that is).

Doesn't matter which side of politics you sit on, or which party you support, what matters is that your vote has been well thought out based on the things that are important to you.

Well done.

I see the senate being a lot more important this time around as I think Labor will probably end up with a reasonable majority and they will need to have some kind of oversight as I'm still not sold on Albos economic credentials.

Unfortunately is seems like a race to the bottom with the 2 leaders the Libs and Labor have chosen to represent them, I can't find a single politician amongst the current crop that I would want to sit down with and have a bourbon, feed or chat with.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 14, 2022, 04:42:52 AM
Things have got ugly in my electorate, the Nationals are getting very desperate - this is the 2nd most Blue Ribbon Nats seat in Australia, there is a great Independent running and the Nats have been caught breaking Australian Electoral Commission rules

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-13/aec-probes-nationals-robocall-targeting-nicholls-independent/101061124?fbclid=IwAR17QCzvmbdYJkHL3YSntexTzlQAZMI7GRt1BvfsHcsh3J7Zm7Y5oKYwwk4
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on May 14, 2022, 08:46:49 AM
One of the promises if ScoMo is re elected is that he'll change his leadership style.

That's something you'd expect out of the mouth of a school captain candidate, not a current PM.

I suppose in the next few days, there will be promises of ice cream days, and roller coasters on top of schools.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 14, 2022, 12:38:58 PM
He is desperate, he needs to go

Interestingly ABC News Regional just ran a story on my electorate on TV, see iView if you want to see it

We voted this morning
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 14, 2022, 02:46:11 PM
Here he is on Afternoon Briefing

https://fb.watch/c_XmgnPKtd/
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on May 17, 2022, 11:39:08 AM
Is it just me or does ScoMos Super House Buying promise only work on paper?

How many would actually be in a position to withdraw their Super to buy their first house, especially after you could withdraw it to get through all the lockdowns?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 17, 2022, 11:58:43 AM
Is it just me or does ScoMos Super House Buying promise only work on paper?

How many would actually be in a position to withdraw their Super to buy their first house, especially after you could withdraw it to get through all the lockdowns?

And that is a pretty useless offer to the recently single blokes/gals after a divorce and lost the house...

I had a house once... his offer is a piece of ****e to me.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 17, 2022, 12:41:37 PM
how many young first home buyers are gonna have up to $50k in their Super - if they have that much they probably don't need access to some dodgy Government scheme to access it

I am at the age when I could consider 'down-sizing'. It is not a new scheme, we could always put up to $100k each into our Super by down-sizing'

So, IF I decide to downsize, I sell my house which frees it to a "first home buyer" we then buy something 'smaller' (less value) like a Unit - which then stops a "first home buyer" buying said Unit - it is just a bull-sh!t merry-go-round

Which WILL, without doubt, increase the prices of property, their own person called it out and they are right.  As long as there is demand there will ALWAYS be an increase

More land and more houses is the only way to 'decrease' prices and demand

Also understand there are some big name players in the land development field, they buy the land then hold it until demand goes through the roof, they develop it and sell the land for squilions.  For one big name builder it is their biggest source of income, building houses is only small part of this 'big builders' portfolio.  They also develop shopping centres like Westfield

We have BIG players controlling the land - we are ****ed, they will do whatever to increase their profits - they don't give a **** about you, me, first home buyers, Government etc
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on May 17, 2022, 07:31:52 PM
None of these schemes will make any positive difference to housing affordability.
Some statistics.In the early 1990’s the average house price in Sydney was about 5 times the average annual wage.The percentage of home loans given for investment properties had a long term average of about 14%
Then Howard/Costello gave investment property owners a 50% discount on capital gains tax.Within months the percentage of home loans for investors was over 50% and has mostly stayed there or above since.Prices took off like a rocket ship because of the increased demand.On top of that investors receive tax breaks that people buying homes for the purpose of actually living in do not.
Housing went from something designed for social stability and personal security to just another investment vehicle.Howard’s “legacy” is future generations priced out of the housing market while investors rake it in and stop contributing their fair share to the tax base.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 18, 2022, 04:44:52 AM
You sound like you are not a fan of negative gearing?

In case you don't understand, yes there is a tax benefit of about 10% of any out of pocket expenses that are NOT covered by the income received in the form of rent, for example rent received is $400 pw, out of pockets are $420 per week, so 10% of $20 is claimable.  That $20 reduces your taxable income for that period,so you pay less tax, so 30% of $20 is ?????

BUT!!!! and this is a BIG but, when the property is sold you pay 30% of any capital you make, so you make $100,000 'profit' for example, there goes $30k in Capital Gains Tax, so any gain through negative gearing is quickly lost.

Also of GREAT importance, is that up to 80% of all rental houses are owned my 'mum and dad' investors, people who were told there would be NO age pension so that they better look after themselves, so they bought houses to support themselves in retirement

Now if those 'mum and dad' investors didn't own rental houses, who would own them? and what would the rental market look like if the 'mum's and dad's' didn't own them?  Would there be more or less houses available for rent?

I was actually in favour of the Shorten plan of cutting the negative gearing for existing properties and only having it for new properties, this would have slowed down the competition to buy existing houses as the 'mum and dad' investors wouldn't be buying them as much and would have increased the new house market, which increases employment with all its flow on benefits, and increases the rental house market, but that is not to be
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 18, 2022, 06:53:22 AM
WOW, the L/NP must be worried about retaining Nicholls. I got a recorded phone message from former PM John Howard telling me to vote Lib - sorry Johnny, you are too late I voted last Saturday  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on May 18, 2022, 07:27:16 AM
You sound like you are not a fan of negative gearing?

In case you don't understand, yes there is a tax benefit of about 10% of any out of pocket expenses that are NOT covered by the income received in the form of rent, for example rent received is $400 pw, out of pockets are $420 per week, so 10% of $20 is claimable.  That $20 reduces your taxable income for that period,so you pay less tax, so 30% of $20 is ?????

BUT!!!! and this is a BIG but, when the property is sold you pay 30% of any capital you make, so you make $100,000 'profit' for example, there goes $30k in Capital Gains Tax, so any gain through negative gearing is quickly lost.

Also of GREAT importance, is that up to 80% of all rental houses are owned my 'mum and dad' investors, people who were told there would be NO age pension so that they better look after themselves, so they bought houses to support themselves in retirement

Now if those 'mum and dad' investors didn't own rental houses, who would own them? and what would the rental market look like if the 'mum's and dad's' didn't own them?  Would there be more or less houses available for rent?

I was actually in favour of the Shorten plan of cutting the negative gearing for existing properties and only having it for new properties, this would have slowed down the competition to buy existing houses as the 'mum and dad' investors wouldn't be buying them as much and would have increased the new house market, which increases employment with all its flow on benefits, and increases the rental house market, but that is not to be
I am with you on 2 counts.Negative gearing is not the big enemy the capital gains tax discount is.I was also a fan of the Shorten policy as a means of starting to correct the market but as you said it was not to be.
Those “Mum And Dad” investors you are talking about come from an era with both compulsory superannuation and an aged pension fall back that was never going to disappear.Although if you have the means to buy or borrow for a second house the pension was never going to be relevant for you.This added financial security for them has come at the cost of future generations never having the security of home ownership.Another baby boomer windfall.And I am of that generation.If they wanted to invest they should not have been encouraged financially to invest in an area with so many negative social side effects.
Pre Howard/Costello’s great give away they would have had to pay double the amount you listed as capital gains tax.That kept a lot of them out of the market and didn’t push the upwards death spiral in house prices.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 18, 2022, 08:18:21 AM
I am a baby boomer, born in the late '50's. So the tail end.

Both my wife and I have worked full time since we were 15, never unemployed, paid lots of tax

We own an 'investment property', although it was never our intention to own one.  We have a 39yo daughter with a significant physically disability, she is only able to work 16 hrs per week and is receiving the DSP. When she left her husband because he was a lazy prick about 7 years ago, she moved in with us.  We looked at a number of options to help her and decided to build a house about 6 years ago. The biggest issue we had was convincing her 3 siblings that we weren't building her a house but it was a Superannuation top-up for my wife who is a low paid sub-contractor. It is not a big house and not on a big block.  I stated at the time that if you wanted to build a GOOD investment property you wouldn't do it in our town as there was bugger all return possible, well bugger me that has changed in the last 2 years.  We said that all along as soon as we retire we will sell the house as we are subsidising her to about $250 per week, her rent falls well short of our costs are and we can't continue to pay that when we retire.  That is happening soon'ish, she is in a better position now to possibly buy herself a Unit, which is great for her independence.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 18, 2022, 06:27:54 PM
I laugh at these ads bagging Independents, these idiots need to read our Constitution. There is no mention of 'Party's' in there, it just talks about individuals.

They are the ones out of touch with what our founding fathers wanted
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on May 18, 2022, 07:53:02 PM
The FHO super scheme is an odd one. Currently the only thing FHO can afford is the cheapest "downsized" house on the market, the same "downsized" house that older generations are being incentivised to move into. That creates demand which raises prices further. Nothing positive is achieved apart from current home owners with massive equity after the last couple of years from investing further.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on May 18, 2022, 07:55:49 PM
I laugh at these ads bagging Independents, these idiots need to read our Constitution. There is no mention of 'Party's' in there, it just talks about individuals.

They are the ones out of touch with what our founding fathers wanted
The point the Coalition and their media arm of the Murdoch press/tv miss is that the teal independents they are obsessed about are in electorates that are full of highly educated people.They are not likely to be panicked by the hyperbolic nonsense.If anything they might drive more people towards the teals.
My preferred result has always been a Labor minority government with the teals holding the balance of power in the Reps and the Greens doing the same in the Senate.(By the way polls show the Greens sitting on a nationwide 15% first preference vote which is now half that of the 2 major parties and around 3 times as much as the Nationals).This result would lead to more action on climate change and a real Federal ICAC .Too much to hope any politicians will have the balls to do anything about housing affordability.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: meha on May 19, 2022, 05:13:31 PM
I have looked at a fair bit of detail at what appears to be the only real major policy difference between the two parties is about the housing assistance packages.

The Liberals is effectively a plan that you can use your super to help with the house deposit.

Where as Labor is that the Government will effectively own a portion of your property and you pay them back when you sell.

The Labor plan already kind of exists in Tasmania. It is called a homeshare program and is limited to low income purchases. Typically is it used to purchase blocks of land and to build a basic house on it. You then pay the government back when you sell it. All in all it is not a bad scheme apart from the very limited number of people who actually qualify for it, and not a huge number of people knowing it even exists. Generally, it helps a lot of people who would frankly otherwise have limited chances to purchase a property to enter the property market.

The real issue that I see from the programs offered by both parties is that they will do absolutely nothing to assist home ownership for those trying to enter the market. All of these sort of programs end up doing is to drive up the price by what is effectively the government assistance and then it drops once the program ends. What genuinely is needed is there to be more land available to build on, together with the cost to actually build a basic house to be reduced. People also need to be a little bit more realistic for what they purchase for a first house. You do not need a place with everything that open and closes, with the games rooms, the toys that go with it, just go with something basic and it will be perfect for you. Worry about the toys with the next or the next place not the first place.

Also, taking money out of super while it sounds like a great idea for some there will be few that actually have that level of savings, plus it will be money that they have lost for use in their retirement. To me it is a very short sighted idea that will end up costing a future generation and the government who will have more people relying on a pension rather than being potentially self funded retirees.

The idea of some who mention negative gearing ignores the reality that it is mum and dad's who typically have got such an investment property and do it for a variety of reasons. I myself own a property that I rent out. It is rented out for $120 a week and the rent has been the same for the last 10 years. I have no intention of increasing it as I know that my tenant is not in a position to pay much more given she lives on her own. I also purchased the property to one day build a home to live on if I can afford it one day so the rental income is more about giving someone a home than it is about the actual rental return from it.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on May 19, 2022, 06:38:34 PM
will end up costing a future generation and the government who will have more people relying on a pension rather than being potentially self funded retirees.
The same pension that the Morrison himself said in 2015 he wishes to abolish? https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/treasurer-scott-morrison-says-to-forget-about-relying-on-the-age-pension-20151127-gl9q2i.html

The LNP exists to appease the over 50's at the cost of everyone else in almost every single policy.  Housing affordability, superannuation and climate change being the big ones.  Shouldn't be surprised given the demographic of the majority of conservatives and the Murdoch empire but still very concerning for anyone who will still be around in 40 years.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stp01 on May 19, 2022, 07:57:32 PM

Also, taking money out of super while it sounds like a great idea for some there will be few that actually have that level of savings, plus it will be money that they have lost for use in their retirement. To me it is a very short sighted idea that will end up costing a future generation and the government who will have more people relying on a pension rather than being potentially self funded retirees.

I look at the super-funded housing in another way - you get to choose how a portion of your super is invested. If your house doubles in value when you sell, the portion of super you've used has also doubled and will be put back in the fund. And you get to choose the proportion you put in (up to the Gov's cap). Of course if you never sell your first house, the money never goes back, but that would be a small percentage of the population.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 20, 2022, 06:39:18 AM
Both Parties need to look after ALL Australians, not just the ones who will likely vote them in next time.  Labor is further ahead in this than the Coalition.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on May 20, 2022, 09:55:00 AM
Best economic managers.  Let's not pretend this isn't simply corruption though.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/millions-in-jobkeeper-went-to-private-schools-that-grew-surplus/101075098

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Hundreds of millions of dollars in JobKeeper went to a group of private schools that grew their surpluses to almost $1 billion
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: meha on May 20, 2022, 10:13:03 AM
Both Parties need to look after ALL Australians, not just the ones who will likely vote them in next time.  Labor is further ahead in this than the Coalition.

I agree with you Trev on the need to look after all Australian's however, it appears that it is al short sighted about the next election cycle and what those in the marginal seats want. It should not matter if you are in the most marginal seat in the country or if you are in a seat that is a safe as houses you should be treated as the same regardless.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on May 20, 2022, 02:15:53 PM
Both Parties need to look after ALL Australians, not just the ones who will likely vote them in next time.  Labor is further ahead in this than the Coalition.

I agree with you Trev on the need to look after all Australian's however, it appears that it is al short sighted about the next election cycle and what those in the marginal seats want. It should not matter if you are in the most marginal seat in the country or if you are in a seat that is a safe as houses you should be treated as the same regardless.
This.
We now have politicians in the major parties who have been climbing the political ladder since they left education or even sooner.It is all they know and their own job preservation is their highest aim.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 21, 2022, 05:39:16 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10832175/Prankster-leaves-Scott-Morrison-cheeky-message-spice-aisle-Kyneton-Woolworths.html?ito=social-facebook_Australia&fbclid=IwAR3-UR0KsklSPqr1ZCRgAEGEDHw61mgEsLFOAbgXJWiLkJfKLKyoP3MgcUY

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Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 21, 2022, 05:41:49 AM
We now have politicians in the major parties who have been climbing the political ladder since they left education or even sooner.It is all they know and their own job preservation is their highest aim.
Labor seem to have more career politicians than Liberals, which is a real shame - they need to get back to allowing the membership pick their candidate and they need to have held 'real jobs'

There are some great politicians inside the Labor Party, but they need more working people in the fold
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on May 21, 2022, 07:44:57 AM
We now have politicians in the major parties who have been climbing the political ladder since they left education or even sooner.It is all they know and their own job preservation is their highest aim.
Labor seem to have more career politicians than Liberals, which is a real shame - they need to get back to allowing the membership pick their candidate and they need to have held 'real jobs'

There are some great politicians inside the Labor Party, but they need more working people in the fold
Mostly agree except to point out the career path for the Libs are through things like the extreme right wing “think tanks” like the IPA.
Hopefully Coalition gone by the end of the day although I have visions of Morrison As Vampire sucking the blood out of Australia and rising triumphant.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Iggle Piggle on May 21, 2022, 08:25:33 PM
I should have done some research.  Went in there thinking it would be easy enough to find 6 above the line that are harmless enough and not too offensive; ended up being much harder than I thought, and while the pirate bit caught my attention and appealed to my childish ways my lack of research had me knowing nothing about the Science/Pirate/Secular/Planet/Climate/Justice Fusion party.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on May 21, 2022, 09:37:56 PM
I laugh at these ads bagging Independents, these idiots need to read our Constitution. There is no mention of 'Party's' in there, it just talks about individuals.

They are the ones out of touch with what our founding fathers wanted
The point the Coalition and their media arm of the Murdoch press/tv miss is that the teal independents they are obsessed about are in electorates that are full of highly educated people.They are not likely to be panicked by the hyperbolic nonsense.If anything they might drive more people towards the teals.
My preferred result has always been a Labor minority government with the teals holding the balance of power in the Reps and the Greens doing the same in the Senate.(By the way polls show the Greens sitting on a nationwide 15% first preference vote which is now half that of the 2 major parties and around 3 times as much as the Nationals).This result would lead to more action on climate change and a real Federal ICAC .Too much to hope any politicians will have the balls to do anything about housing affordability.
Well it looks like that is what we might get.
The Libs chasing the redneck vote has come back to bite them big time.Not only is Morrison’s populism deservedly toxic but Frydenberg and Dutton being voted out leaves them with no obvious successor in either the extremist right or moderate wing of the party.Once the Federal ICAC goes digging back into the last 10 years there mightn’t be many senior Libs left standing.
Might as well go all in and have Barnaby as leader of the opposition.
Who would have thought the Greens could win lower house seats in Queensland?
Biggest pity is this all came 3 years too late.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: the undertaker on May 22, 2022, 06:10:32 AM
Australia. The race to the bottom begins!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 22, 2022, 06:41:53 AM
sorry but you typed 'ended' wrong
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: the undertaker on May 22, 2022, 06:47:41 AM
It's not that big a word to understand, Trevor.

BEGINS

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on May 22, 2022, 07:39:57 AM
Bring on the ICAC :)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on May 22, 2022, 08:00:05 AM
Australia. The race to the bottom begins!
The race to the bottom began with Abbott.The Liberal Party went all in on the ignorant populist nonsense that the Nationals have trafficked in.They calculated that most of their urban base wouldn’t vote Labor but never guessed they would find other people to vote for in such big numbers.
All seats that swung to the Coalition in 2019 had at least 2 of the following 3 demographic features
-older than average population
-bottom third by educational levels
-top quarter in votes against same sex marriage
The hillbilly constituency. Policies that appeal to them appalled their urban base.The clincher in their collapse was climate change.Their denialist beliefs and refusal to take adequate action sealed their demise.
The big issue going forward for them is whether their swing to the right was a flag of convenience or whether that is truly who they are now.Dutton is far more toxic in those big cities than Morrison on a bad day.Having him as leader pretty much guarantees the teals will be re-elected in 3 years time.
The Libs face an existential threat.What they have come to stand for means much of their traditional support doesn’t recognise them and won’t ever vote for them with their current ethos.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 22, 2022, 09:27:29 AM
Australia. The race to the bottom begins!
The race to the bottom began with Abbott.The Liberal Party went all in on the ignorant populist nonsense that the Nationals have trafficked in
100% correct
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on May 22, 2022, 10:10:50 AM
Bonus feature was the failure of One Nation and Palmer.Not a sniff of a Senate seat.
Craig Kelly our next PM?Only polled 7% in his seat.Wouldn’t get close to being elected to his local council.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 22, 2022, 10:26:35 AM
Thought I'd be turning cartwheels over a Labor victory. Ho hum... Looking forward to the rush of by-elections next year though.

Finally some humane decency for the Murugappan family.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on May 22, 2022, 12:12:40 PM
Another win on the side was the complete impotency of the Murdoch media in their hysterical attack on the teals.
I posted last week that this might actually lead to an increase in votes for the teals and while it is not possible to say if that actually happened I’m certain it strengthened a lot of peoples resolve to vote for them.
A big up yours to Rupert and his minions.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on May 22, 2022, 12:22:02 PM
Bonus feature was the failure of One Nation and Palmer.Not a sniff of a Senate seat.
Craig Kelly our next PM?Only polled 7% in his seat.Wouldn’t get close to being elected to his local council.

That's hardly surprising.

I think the most surprising thing is that the ousted PM kept his seat. Usually that goes out the door with them.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 22, 2022, 05:23:08 PM
I was wondering if Lab would take a hit (in Vic at least) because of Andrews being on the nose? Does kind of have me on edge that DA might get back in :'(
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 22, 2022, 05:33:37 PM
the experts are saying there was next to nil impact on Labors vote in Victoria - I guess that shoots all the nay-sayers in the arse

And W.A. who had big time lockdowns, well Labor white-washed over there

And QLD gone Green, not Yellow hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 22, 2022, 05:59:36 PM
It was in NSW Labor screwed up. Blowing a 14% margin in Fowler.

2 seats in Qld for the Greens. Something not achieved in the most left wing hippie commune that is Melbourne.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on May 22, 2022, 06:23:50 PM
I was wondering if Lab would take a hit (in Vic at least) because of Andrews being on the nose? Does kind of have me on edge that DA might get back in :'(
Or perhaps as usual, the Murdoch owned media made it appear like Andrews was widely disliked when the reality was quite different. 
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on May 22, 2022, 07:51:05 PM
the experts are saying there was next to nil impact on Labors vote in Victoria - I guess that shoots all the nay-sayers in the arse

And W.A. who had big time lockdowns, well Labor white-washed over there

And QLD gone Green, not Yellow hahahahahahaha

Brisbane has gone green...
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on May 22, 2022, 08:22:14 PM
I wonder if the Greens in Queensland have done well because of the wet feet syndrome.

They are in flooding areas and there have been floods in Brisbane again this last week.

Apparently there have been a lot of concerns about aircraft noise in Bulimba, but, of course, that could not be so because Kevin Rudd (alias "Rudd the dud" promised that he would fix it if he was elected and as P.M. he would surely have kept his promise.

The seats that went green are flood suburbs, in the main. The overall Queensland green vote in the Senate was much less.

As for the South, i suspect the Liberals copped the anti-Barnaby/NP kickback, because they had no one else to kick.

As there is no longer a Coalition in Government, The Libs and NP should separate and both sit as opposition parties. It would be interesting to see if the Liberals revert to their principles without the shackles of the NP. The fly in the ointment is that they are combined in Qld as the LNP.

Regardless, Albo is the 31st PM and we should wish him well and Pause this thread for another two years

The people have spoken. 8).



PS: Just an additional note that Brisbane electorate has the highest number of under 30 voters of any seat in Australia.

Bulimba (Griffith) has had heaps of units built since the last election and many are occupied by young people using the ferry to the CBD, when it is running and there aren't floods and Coorparoo(Griffith) and similar areas are inundated with new, relatively cheap units (Median under $400,000) and are close to the CBD.

Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: meha on May 23, 2022, 10:42:35 AM
Well the election wash up is starting to happen. It was to be honest rather unsurprising that Morrision lost the election. The approach that he had taken appeared to put off a lot of voters in the urban seats that have traditionally been the liberal heartland. The result in WA frankly was a bloodbath. The swing to the independents to me was not as big of a surprise as some were saying. I personally think that it was a case of people not voting for Morrison like last time but being unwilling to vote Labour. I can see it being very interesting long term if this trend continues in that I can see both parties having to govern from minority and doing agreements with the minor parties.

There are real issues within the Conservative slant of things between the Liberal's and the National parties. The Nationals have in my opinion gone to far to get voters from the One Nation, Clive Palmer set and have ignored that there are a good number of people who would be willing to vote for them who do in fact care about the environment and how it affects farmers and their livelihoods. Once the Nationals realize that, which to be honest I cannot see happening, they may well pick up more seats.

As for the Liberals, they seriously need to look at the values that they have. Do they want to be a party that represents the ultra conservatives side of politics or are the willing to be more moderate. If they wish to continue with ultra conservative then they can and should expect a long period in opposition as the vast majority of the population will be unwilling to support such policies. If they are willing to admit that they have failings and be willing to fix them I can see that the party will turns itself around. The biggest issue that it has at the moment in turning it around is frankly a lack of leadership. Many of those within the Liberal Party who may have been able to turn it around are no longer going to be in parliament.

Turning to the Labor Party. To my view it was an interesting result. Fowler proved that electorates do not like to feel that they are being taken for granted and what is a safe seat will not be that way if you try to put whomever you want into the seat. People are far more engaged in politics than what I think the major parties give them credit for. However, the clear win in WA is what will likely give them majority government and is a clear indication that when you are willing to campaign in seats that there is the possibility that they may change hands rather than just leaving the seat alone and saying effectively, you don't matter as we don't think that you will vote for us anyway.

The Greens frankly are the big winners from this election. It shows that inner city voters, particularly those in Brisbane are becoming more aware of the flooding that the Brisbane river appears to become almost an annual occurrence and people are starting to become more concerned about this and are starting to believe that climate change, global warming, whatever term that you wish to use is real and happening now. I personally am on the view that it is a real thing. The only thing that I have no idea on is if humans are causing it or not. However, does it really hurt to use less things from the ground all the time.

The independents in my mind prove that Australian's as a group have become disillusioned with the two major parties. The Liberal's have a major issue with how it represents women and until it changes they are never going to win back those seats in inner Sydney.

So they are my thoughts on the election that was. 
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 23, 2022, 11:30:45 AM
As much as I dislike Barnaby, he was right, they lost no seats and in fact might have gained one or maybe 2 - so something they are doing is ringing true for their electorates

Labor did not win the election, the voters turfed the Liberals out.  Their voters wouldn't vote for Labor but wanted to punish the Libs so the voted Independent

If the Libs think by that having Dutton as their leader is going to lead to some rigorous internal navel-gazing then they are wrong - he is hard Right like Abbott and that is NOT where the majority of Liberal voters are
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on May 23, 2022, 01:57:15 PM
As much as I dislike Barnaby, he was right, they lost no seats and in fact might have gained one or maybe 2 - so something they are doing is ringing true for their electorates

Labor did not win the election, the voters turfed the Liberals out.  Their voters wouldn't vote for Labor but wanted to punish the Libs so the voted Independent

If the Libs think by that having Dutton as their leader is going to lead to some rigorous internal navel-gazing then they are wrong - he is hard Right like Abbott and that is NOT where the majority of Liberal voters are
Regarding the Nationals it probably shows at the moment we are 2 countries with a similar split as the US only not as extreme.For a long time the Nationals and their constituency have basically held the Liberals and therefore the nation as a whole hostage particularly in climate change.
The Nationals could change as they have at state level in NSW in the last year but there are huge egos in their party room and it is hard to see Joyce,Canavan,Pitt etc renounce the gospel they have been preaching for nearly 15 years.
It is now clear this unholy alliance cannot get elected as much of the Liberal base has left the room.Dutton as leader guarantees the teals will be re-elected.Even if he goes all moderate those voters won’t believe him.There is too much baggage.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 23, 2022, 02:00:48 PM
I was wondering if Lab would take a hit (in Vic at least) because of Andrews being on the nose? Does kind of have me on edge that DA might get back in :'(
Or perhaps as usual, the Murdoch owned media made it appear like Andrews was widely disliked when the reality was quite different.

nope, that was my personal view from talking with real people... if you listen to media you're wasting your time!

Andrews is well disliked in the folk that I come across
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on May 23, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
As much as I dislike Barnaby, he was right, they lost no seats and in fact might have gained one or maybe 2 - so something they are doing is ringing true for their electorates

The Nats were always going to get back in as the farmers and farmers kids will always vote for them.

In saying that, they have done a lot for their seats and are always out and about. I said G'day to Barnaby in Bunnings one day and he replied. I thought that was pretty cool.

A Labor win wasn't surprising, but the margin was, as was the ousted PM keeping his seat.

Given their popularity in state parliament, I was surprised there weren't any Shooters, Fishers and Farmers candidates. Most of Mark Coultons seat at the state level is SFF held.

It wasn't just an election won by the mob with the better climate action plan like some of the talking heads believe. There are things that the former government have done that quite rightly have put the public offside.

Coverups of rapes in parliament, staffers pulling themselves silly on other members desks, allegedly nasty things done in the prayer rooms, as to which the PM didn't realise was a bad thing until his wife pointed that out.

A half a billion security contract awarded to some beach shack in South Australia is another one, as are two MPs holding an inflated water licence with no water attached to it, awarding Foxtel an unneeded grant to televise more women's sport, buying new submarines without telling the folks that we're building your new ones that they don't need them now, grants to MPs wives that own childcare centres that aren't conflicts of interest, sports roots. We could go on.

Could Albo be the change we need? Quite possibly, but he needs a decent team around him and if he can do that, he should go well.

It'd be a nice change from the revolving door of the last few years too if he can last a term without being knived.

In the last 13 years, we've had 5 different prime ministers. It'd be nice to go into the next election with the same PM that got voted in at the last one. That's surprising an honour ScoMo can have for the time being.





Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 24, 2022, 08:11:45 AM
I had a bit of a laugh on Sunday, a mate of mine who hates the Left, but not much of a fan of the current Right (hated lockdowns, mandates etc - was all about FREEDOM) has come up with a 'ScoMo' for Albo, it is AnAl   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I did the funny side
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on May 24, 2022, 09:10:08 PM
There is a matter of concern to me, or perhaps, it is just wonderment at our voting system.

I have read that in one culturally diverse electorate, there has been an informal vote of 10.47 with scrutineers saying that some booths have 20%.
Some papers are left blank which is possibly a protest vote, but large numbers are marking papers with a tick or cross or a 1, for their choice, and not numbering all candidates.

This is of concern when we have electorates decided by as little as 0.1%.


Some of the "culturally diverse" people come from countries that do not even have elections.

Some come from diverse background, such as Queensland, or maybe other states too, that either tell voters they can just number "1" on the ballot.
Well. they have in the past and I really don't remember about currently.

If it is difficult to culturally non-diverse people, just think how difficult it is for people with a poor grasp of English.


I voted postal, being aged and decrepit  ;D , but a friend who voted at a nearby booth that covered two electorates was amazed that many voters did NOT know which electorate they lived in, even though we all got a letter telling up. Maybe they are "reading diverse".

Any way, if the electoral system is too complicated, then maybe we should revert to optional preferential voting.


PS: If you want to have fun with an annoying door knocker at a federal election, tell them you will just vote "1", because Anna Bligh said to do it. ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Troy01505 on May 25, 2022, 06:51:21 AM
There is a matter of concern to me, or perhaps, it is just wonderment at our voting system.

I have read that in one culturally diverse electorate, there has been an informal vote of 10.47 with scrutineers saying that some booths have 20%.
Some papers are left blank which is possibly a protest vote, but large numbers are marking papers with a tick or cross or a 1, for their choice, and not numbering all candidates.

This is of concern when we have electorates decided by as little as 0.1%.


Some of the "culturally diverse" people come from countries that do not even have elections.

Some come from diverse background, such as Queensland, or maybe other states too, that either tell voters they can just number "1" on the ballot.
Well. they have in the past and I really don't remember about currently.

If it is difficult to culturally non-diverse people, just think how difficult it is for people with a poor grasp of English.


I voted postal, being aged and decrepit  ;D , but a friend who voted at a nearby booth that covered two electorates was amazed that many voters did NOT know which electorate they lived in, even though we all got a letter telling up. Maybe they are "reading diverse".

Any way, if the electoral system is too complicated, then maybe we should revert to optional preferential voting.


PS: If you want to have fun with an annoying door knocker at a federal election, tell them you will just vote "1", because Anna Bligh said to do it. ;D

Our system is to complicated. They need to simplify the process or change to optional voting.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Alan59 on May 25, 2022, 10:19:01 AM
Optional voting all around the world has been shown to be a bad idea that has the effect of disenfranchising people at the bottom of the socio economic  ladder.
It has long been the Liberal Party’s wet dream to not have these people vote and a couple of the now departed members actually started floating this idea in the last term.
The voting system is not that complicated in comparison to driving a car or operating a smartphone.If this is a statistical problem rather than an anecdotal one then the AEC needs to step up its education program.
Edit:The percentage of informal votes in the 2019 election was 3.81%
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on May 30, 2022, 09:19:05 AM
Is Captain Potatohead really the best they can do as opposition leader?

Things would have to go very, very wrong for Albo if the coalition have a chance of winning the next election with Dutton at the helm.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Sonic on May 30, 2022, 10:40:26 AM
Politicians are nothing more than overpaid salesmen/women.

If they get the pitch right (at the right time) anyone can get in.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on May 30, 2022, 01:46:55 PM
David Littleproud has taken over from Barnaby as Nationals leader. They had a choice of three with Darren Chester throwing his party supplied Akubra in the ring.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: LG on May 30, 2022, 02:04:36 PM
David Littleproud has taken over from Barnaby as Nationals leader. They had a choice of three with Darren Chester throwing his party supplied Akubra in the ring.

They have also elected a woman as Deputy Dawg and a female Senate leader as well.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on May 30, 2022, 04:29:22 PM
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Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on May 30, 2022, 05:50:21 PM
with that line-up for the Coalition, Labor has to be a shoe-in for the next election as well

Mind you (R)Abbott came from behind with all his negativity and won
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: the undertaker on May 31, 2022, 08:05:07 AM
You're big on denigration, aren't you Trev.

We get it, you're eggstatic liebor won, time to move on.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on May 31, 2022, 06:13:33 PM
Damn I didn't think the libs could be led by a bigger piece of crap but here we are.  Let's see how far to the right they push now, it's the trend for conservative opposition parties in the world currently.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on June 01, 2022, 06:28:19 AM
You're big on denigration, aren't you Trev.

We get it, you're eggstatic liebor won, time to move on.

(https://i.postimg.cc/B6MSTjRz/images.jpg)

SUCK ON A FAT ONE LOSER
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: the undertaker on June 01, 2022, 10:07:13 AM
You're big on denigration, aren't you Trev.

We get it, you're eggstatic liebor won, time to move on.

(https://i.postimg.cc/B6MSTjRz/images.jpg)

SUCK ON A FAT ONE LOSER

Proves my point
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: CP on June 01, 2022, 10:38:04 AM
I wonder how much of an issue power prices would be if successive governments didn't sell the power grid off?
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 01, 2022, 11:57:41 AM
You're big on denigration, aren't you Trev.

We get it, you're eggstatic liebor won, time to move on.

(https://i.postimg.cc/B6MSTjRz/images.jpg)

SUCK ON A FAT ONE LOSER

Proves my point

Hypocrisy,  hypocrisy ! :D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on June 01, 2022, 12:37:26 PM
You're big on denigration, aren't you Trev.

We get it, you're eggstatic liebor won, time to move on.

(https://i.postimg.cc/B6MSTjRz/images.jpg)

SUCK ON A FAT ONE LOSER

Proves my point

Hypocrisy,  hypocrisy ! :D

YEP!!!!!!
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on June 04, 2022, 05:31:58 PM
We already knew Dutton is a racist but we're beginning to see the pieces of that puzzle slowly fall into place.  Must be comforting for the indigenous community to know they will be well looked after in the event Australia has a stroke and votes LNP in next time around.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/06/04/exclusive-dutton-blocked-indigenous-names-bases#mtr
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on June 05, 2022, 04:11:15 AM
(R)Abbott came from behind, never underestimate the power of a strong negative campaign

Labor NEEDS to deliver on what they promised or Mr Potato head will be our next PM.  We had been batten down for a Chinese invasion if he ever gets in
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on June 06, 2022, 07:37:55 AM
Proves my point
you can always click on the X in the top right of your screen
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: the undertaker on June 06, 2022, 08:09:17 AM
Yep, had enough of the crap on this site from you and Albert. The site use to be good value, now it's got you two to send it to the grave.

Been a blast over both sites, but time to go.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: stevo qld on June 06, 2022, 09:48:25 AM
To return to the thread.

Since the ALP/LNP started paying taxpayers money to candidates that win first preference votes, currently over 4%, I have a policy of giving my first preference to a candidate that will get under the threshold. That way, the taxpayer gets a smaller bill.
I then pass the preference to my preferred candidate who still effectively gets the vote, but not the cash.

What has become evident is that the major parties have significantly dropped their first preference votes at this election.
This is a considerable blow to their finances  and will create a need for smaller or cheaper campaigns. I suspect donations are falling too.
WA Labor may be the exception.

I have read that the Teal candidates had volunteers visiting every home in the electorate.

In the seat of Griffth (east brisbane, south bank), my Mother tells me that two nice young men visited for the Greens. It may be old fashioned, but it seems to work. 
I called a Greens Win a year ago and friends ridiculed the idea. Terry Butler, a Labor frontbencher lost the seat to the Greens.

That nice ex- PM, John Howard took the time to call me, but I was unable to help him. He must be hard of hearing because he didn't respond when I spoke to him.  ;D



Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Ospif1 on June 06, 2022, 09:22:57 PM
Yep, had enough of the crap on this site from you and Albert. The site use to be good value, now it's got you two to send it to the grave.

Been a blast over both sites, but time to go.
don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Zac on June 06, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
What has become evident is that the major parties have significantly dropped their first preference votes at this election.


That nice ex- PM, John Howard took the time to call me, but I was unable to help him. He must be hard of hearing because he didn't respond when I spoke to him.  ;D
You should have had your answering message on. Your answers could have chatted to John Winston for some time.

What has become evident is that the major parties have dropped their first preference votes in most recent elections. In the 2019 election, Scott Morrison ("I believe in miracles!") and the Libs won with 27.99% of the primary vote - an actual drop for them from the previous election. They scraped through with assistance from a rag-tag bunch of assorted smaller, but similar-minded groups. These groups don't get on with each other, but call themselves a "coalition". This time (like most elections), Australians voted OUT a government, rather than voting a one IN. Labor and Albo didn't have to do much. In fact, Albo looked totally out of his depth, and so did his party - but... They Won! ScoMo was so totally on the nose, that the election became "Anyone but ScoMo and his team of out-of-touch followers". And so it was. For 'Election '22', my 'Yay of the day' goes to Adam Bandt for his "Google it, mate" response to a ridiculous question. No wonder the Greens are going so well. Meanwhile, ScoMo has disappeared (Is he still squatting at Kirribilli?) and apparently Peter Dutton is the way forward ;D. Also meanwhile: Albo, along with quite a few switched-on members of his team has shown that there's more to winning elections than answering 'Gotcha' questions from 'out-of-their depth' journos. They're making me realise that we have just wasted nine years.

(I asked a right-wing conservative friend of mine what he thought of the election result. He answered: "Where do they think the money's coming from?" Huh? I was wondering where the money went.)

 

 
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: AlbertM on June 07, 2022, 09:40:37 PM
Yep, had enough of the crap on this site from you and Albert. The site use to be good value, now it's got you two to send it to the grave.

Been a blast over both sites, but time to go.

Awww don't go, I'll be good.  ;D
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on June 09, 2022, 07:23:47 AM
Yep, had enough of the crap on this site from you and Albert. The site use to be good value, now it's got you two to send it to the grave.

Been a blast over both sites, but time to go.
don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out

You'll be back  8)
Title: Re: ALP v LP/NP
Post by: Trevor on June 09, 2022, 07:25:23 AM
That nice ex- PM, John Howard took the time to call me, but I was unable to help him. He must be hard of hearing because he didn't respond when I spoke to him.  ;D
yeah. John rang me too, but I was too busy so he left a message