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Again, someone needs to do it  :)

It is a nasty thing isn't it...

Glad I live in NZ

You are a brother from a different mother living in the same 'travel bubble'

Although your boss doesn't like of extradition of crims  ;D

Yeah and we dont like the Boss much either.

I must say though, on the note of 501s... they seem to be very unsavory people, that is hard to argue but some have lived in Australia all their lives and have mums, dads, wifes and kids there... but still get deported.... harsh.

1 guy moved there when he was like 3 months old with family or something.... out ya go.

they have a choice to take up Australian citizenship and chose not to, bad luck for them - and if they behaved themselves they wouldn't be deported.  We do deport criminals to other countries as well

anyway on topic

Good to see ScoMo & Co sign a deal with Moderna, **** the AZ vaccine, although I am having my first AZ shot at 1:00 pm tomorrow, so if I don't show up after that, keep an eye out for the obit hahahahaha

wow, we can swear YAHOO!!!!!! I feel my vocab is now complete  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'm waiting until you city folk spread into regional areas before I panic and take the jab!!

I live in a regional area as well, but the trouble and strife has an immune issue and I work with a lot of people, some of who travel a lot

I'm not anti vax, I have the flue jab every year, however Ima gunna wait until less people are dying after having a covid jab before I have one.

Quote from: madbugger on May 14, 2021, 08:10:18 PM
I'm not anti vax, I have the flue jab every year, however Ima gunna wait until less people are dying after having a covid jab before I have one.

ditto to that.

I did not know anyone personally who got the bug. 1 person I know lost his parents (in the UK).

Vax? 1 workmate lost his gran to a blood clot 4 days after the jab and a reli who works in aged care didn't lose anyone over the course of 2020 but lost 8 folk after they took the vaccine.

So my "personal experience" is that the vax is more deadly, at least in Australia, than cv19 ever was. Of course, we all have different connections so they will vary. Others will know people who got the bug and not know of anyone who died after the vax. But we all have to come to our own conclusions and decide what is best for ourselves and those around us.

Had my first AZ shot at 1.30 today, no soreness, nothing - feel fine, but I am over 60

Quote from: Sonic on May 14, 2021, 08:22:19 PM

Quote from: madbugger on May 14, 2021, 08:10:18 PM
I'm not anti vax, I have the flue jab every year, however Ima gunna wait until less people are dying after having a covid jab before I have one.

ditto to that.

I did not know anyone personally who got the bug. 1 person I know lost his parents (in the UK).

Vax? 1 workmate lost his gran to a blood clot 4 days after the jab and a reli who works in aged care didn't lose anyone over the course of 2020 but lost 8 folk after they took the vaccine.

So my "personal experience" is that the vax is more deadly, at least in Australia, than cv19 ever was. Of course, we all have different connections so they will vary. Others will know people who got the bug and not know of anyone who died after the vax. But we all have to come to our own conclusions and decide what is best for ourselves and those around us.

That's why it is incredibly important to inform yourself of the facts and not rely on "personal experience".  While Australias roll out of the vacine is a complete shambles. More people have had the shot than infected with Covid19. That's 900 odd covid deaths v's a handfull of vacine deaths.  The AZ vacine, while not perfect is saving lives. If in doubt ask for the Pfizer or Moderna shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo

had a bit of an uncomfortable night, tender around the injection area, but just generally restless - my GP did warn of that, feel ok this morning other than a slight head ache - he did warn of that too - said it would be gone by days end.

New Zealand:
2645 covid cases. 26 deaths

400,000 vaccinations. 0 deaths.

Over 1000 vaccinated at my wife's work. 100 at mine. Including us of course. No reports of anything remotely resembling serious reactions.

It could happen but the vaccine is massively safer than the alternative.

It's a no-brainer.

Quote from: Sonic on May 14, 2021, 08:22:19 PM

Quote from: madbugger on May 14, 2021, 08:10:18 PM
I'm not anti vax, I have the flue jab every year, however Ima gunna wait until less people are dying after having a covid jab before I have one.

ditto to that.

I did not know anyone personally who got the bug. 1 person I know lost his parents (in the UK).

Vax? 1 workmate lost his gran to a blood clot 4 days after the jab and a reli who works in aged care didn't lose anyone over the course of 2020 but lost 8 folk after they took the vaccine.

So my "personal experience" is that the vax is more deadly, at least in Australia, than cv19 ever was. Of course, we all have different connections so they will vary. Others will know people who got the bug and not know of anyone who died after the vax. But we all have to come to our own conclusions and decide what is best for ourselves and those around us.

We (Sue and I) are in the same boat with you guys.  We are waiting to see how this plays out.  Not anti-vaccination, just watching from the sidelines.

Just because it is someone is selling it doesn't mean I am going to buy it.

Quote from: AlbertM on May 15, 2021, 12:41:00 AM

Quote from: Sonic on May 14, 2021, 08:22:19 PM

Quote from: madbugger on May 14, 2021, 08:10:18 PM
I'm not anti vax, I have the flue jab every year, however Ima gunna wait until less people are dying after having a covid jab before I have one.

ditto to that.

I did not know anyone personally who got the bug. 1 person I know lost his parents (in the UK).

Vax? 1 workmate lost his gran to a blood clot 4 days after the jab and a reli who works in aged care didn't lose anyone over the course of 2020 but lost 8 folk after they took the vaccine.

So my "personal experience" is that the vax is more deadly, at least in Australia, than cv19 ever was. Of course, we all have different connections so they will vary. Others will know people who got the bug and not know of anyone who died after the vax. But we all have to come to our own conclusions and decide what is best for ourselves and those around us.

That's why it is incredibly important to inform yourself of the facts and not rely on "personal experience".  While Australias roll out of the vacine is a complete shambles. More people have had the shot than infected with Covid19. That's 900 odd covid deaths v's a handfull of vacine deaths.  The AZ vacine, while not perfect is saving lives. If in doubt ask for the Pfizer or Moderna shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo

agreed Albert. we should be informed.

but when questions are asked the answer that is often given is "trust us, we're experts"... that isn't an answer, it's a fob off.

my personal experience comes from not just myself but talking to people who work in the field and if they don't fully trust it I am at a loss as to why Joe Public has become so accepting of it?

as to 900 deaths (as an example of open honesty from those in power who we are supposed to be trusting) how many died of or with? nobody has been up front about that here or in any other nation that I have seen. if you were a 'happy healthy' person who caught covid and fell over dead then yup, you died of covid... if you had cancer and knocking on deaths door with weeks to live and caught it which finished you off then you died 'with' it, you were dead anyway... and some may look at examples like that and mock it, so be it, but to me it is a very important distinction to make because it creates a picture that may be entirely different if integrity was included.

Covid19 is a killer. Does not matter if people died of it or with it. It needs to be stopped.

This pandemic has been made worse because of the "water cooler" talk than people actually listernig to the experts. The experts are out there trying to save our lives, how sinister... 

I took the shot to protect those around me, 4 of 7 women in my family all have issues with their immune system, all are on immune suppressants - what sort of person would I be if I didn't do everything I could to protect those I love

Quote from: Trevor on May 16, 2021, 03:55:54 AM
I took the shot to protect those around me, 4 of 7 women in my family all have issues with their immune system, all are on immune suppressants - what sort of person would I be if I didn't do everything I could to protect those I love

no disagreement Trev with your reasoning at all.

I haven't had a Covid shot yet.
I've had my yearly flu shot though.
If I want to get a Covid shot or two I'd have to drive to the city as there's nothing in the bush.

Quote from: LG on May 16, 2021, 08:39:33 PM
I haven't had a Covid shot yet.
I've had my yearly flu shot though.
If I want to get a Covid shot or two I'd have to drive to the city as there's nothing in the bush.

I live regionally and my local GP did it

Quote from: Trevor on May 17, 2021, 09:20:28 AM

Quote from: LG on May 16, 2021, 08:39:33 PM
I haven't had a Covid shot yet.
I've had my yearly flu shot though.
If I want to get a Covid shot or two I'd have to drive to the city as there's nothing in the bush.

I live regionally and my local GP did it

Yeah but your 'regionally' is a lot different to mine.  :)

that's a bit ****  :(

bloody hell, Laser found the anti-swear word button  ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Trevor on May 18, 2021, 11:16:37 AM
bloody hell, Laser found the anti-swear word button  ;D ;D ;D

LOL!!! Ah well Trev, you got to shine for a bit in the new house :)

I am now in that 4 days to 22 days period that they warn you about

It's baaaaaack ......I work at an airport and the police started checking into coming Melbourne passengers a few weeks ago. I asked them why and they said they didn't know but something was up....that was 2 weeks ago !!!

yup, Melbourne, the banned... maybe they should remake that old Kurt Russell movie to... "Escape from Melbourne"

what a croc!

Quote from: Sonic on May 26, 2021, 10:03:07 PM
yup, Melbourne, the banned... maybe they should remake that old Kurt Russell movie to... "Escape from Melbourne"

what a croc!

It is crazy times mate.....not sure what to think of it TBH
We are all aussies and we shouldn't ban people based on their location...then again, if it stops the spread ?
But living on the border I do feel for my Mexican mates

Quote from: Trickyonne on May 26, 2021, 10:22:49 PM

Quote from: Sonic on May 26, 2021, 10:03:07 PM
yup, Melbourne, the banned... maybe they should remake that old Kurt Russell movie to... "Escape from Melbourne"

what a croc!

It is crazy times mate.....not sure what to think of it TBH
We are all aussies and we shouldn't ban people based on their location...then again, if it stops the spread ?
But living on the border I do feel for my Mexican mates

I live in Victoria and work in NSW. The border lockdowns were an absolute shemozzle. I think Victoria learned from the NSW one, because it was far less painful and the police were much friendlier than their NSW counterparts.

It was a difficult period for everyone, however the NSW closure lost a lot of respect for their police due to petty fines and penalties that they chose to enforce as vehicles were going thru checkpoints.

people not being able to attend work because they lived more than 5 km's from the border, all in an area that still hasn't had 1 confirmed case throughout this whole pandemic.

Hopefully it doesn't get back to that again

Looks like I can get the jab now. Will do so as soon as I can.

Was flying to Melbourne from NZ on the 8th June to meet my first grandchild, skype just doesn't do it anymore, but looks like that will now be on hold.

:'(

Similar dilemma with my niece in Melbourne, but my parents decided it's more sensible to wait until they get vaccinations before flying over to meet their first grandchild. I can't expect to get the vaccine at the same time as them. I need to get my health sorted out a bit if I'm to feel up to tagging along on the trip though. Hours wearing a mask wouldn't go well with sinus troubles.

My wife used to suffer badly from sinus issues. But flying never seemed to be an issue. The drying effect on a plane nay have helped her.

But for some, dry air is bad so keeping in some moist air from breathing in a mask might help.
https://www.news24.com/health24/medical/sinusitis/about-sinusitis/is-flying-with-sinusitis-dangerous-20170724

I'd defeat the benefits of a mask by having to sneak a wipe of my nose every 15 minutes at the moment and I don't think dry air would lessen it much. In the past, other issues I've had from flying due to my sinus include sharp pains when they start to ease the cabin pressure towards the end of a flight, and nausea as a kid (severely excessive post-nasal drip traps burps).

It's about time they extended the mandatory quarantine period to 3 or 4 weeks for all returning travellers. Most states would have avoided the last couple of lockdowns and it would be cheaper for the government to cover these costs then shut down entire states or cities.

Quote from: Troy01505 on June 11, 2021, 07:00:32 AM
It's about time they extended the mandatory quarantine period to 3 or 4 weeks for all returning travellers. Most states would have avoided the last couple of lockdowns and it would be cheaper for the government to cover these costs then shut down entire states or cities.

good idea mate...not real sure that some state governments want this to stop tho

Quote from: Troy01505 on June 11, 2021, 07:00:32 AM
It's about time they extended the mandatory quarantine period to 3 or 4 weeks for all returning travellers. Most states would have avoided the last couple of lockdowns and it would be cheaper for the government to cover these costs then shut down entire states or cities.

Extending the isolation period doesn't stop an infected person passing it on to an isolation hotel worker. Nor does it stop a new returnee in week 1 from passing it onto someone about to be released at the end of week 3 or 4. In fact extending isolation periods just increases the number of people in these facilities that can pass it to each other or workers.

As for the suggestion that governments wouldn't want this to stop - that's just bizzare. Or trolling.

Quote from: djr18fan on June 11, 2021, 10:29:19 AM

Quote from: Troy01505 on June 11, 2021, 07:00:32 AM
It's about time they extended the mandatory quarantine period to 3 or 4 weeks for all returning travellers. Most states would have avoided the last couple of lockdowns and it would be cheaper for the government to cover these costs then shut down entire states or cities.

Extending the isolation period doesn't stop an infected person passing it on to an isolation hotel worker. Nor does it stop a new returnee in week 1 from passing it onto someone about to be released at the end of week 3 or 4. In fact extending isolation periods just increases the number of people in these facilities that can pass it to each other or workers.

As for the suggestion that governments wouldn't want this to stop - that's just bizzare. Or trolling.

You don't think state governments aren't milking this for all it's worth ?.....of course they are

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 11, 2021, 07:49:06 AM

Quote from: Troy01505 on June 11, 2021, 07:00:32 AM
It's about time they extended the mandatory quarantine period to 3 or 4 weeks for all returning travellers. Most states would have avoided the last couple of lockdowns and it would be cheaper for the government to cover these costs then shut down entire states or cities.

good idea mate...not real sure that some state governments want this to stop tho

I'm damn sure the Victorian Govt are milking it for all it's worth . . . and then some

Quote from: djr18fan on June 11, 2021, 10:29:19 AM

Quote from: Troy01505 on June 11, 2021, 07:00:32 AM
It's about time they extended the mandatory quarantine period to 3 or 4 weeks for all returning travellers. Most states would have avoided the last couple of lockdowns and it would be cheaper for the government to cover these costs then shut down entire states or cities.

Extending the isolation period doesn't stop an infected person passing it on to an isolation hotel worker. Nor does it stop a new returnee in week 1 from passing it onto someone about to be released at the end of week 3 or 4. In fact extending isolation periods just increases the number of people in these facilities that can pass it to each other or workers.

As for the suggestion that governments wouldn't want this to stop - that's just bizzare. Or trolling.

With the right PPE and a decent location it would be pretty damn simple

Quote from: Troy01505 on June 11, 2021, 04:00:22 PM

Quote from: djr18fan on June 11, 2021, 10:29:19 AM

Quote from: Troy01505 on June 11, 2021, 07:00:32 AM
It's about time they extended the mandatory quarantine period to 3 or 4 weeks for all returning travellers. Most states would have avoided the last couple of lockdowns and it would be cheaper for the government to cover these costs then shut down entire states or cities.

Extending the isolation period doesn't stop an infected person passing it on to an isolation hotel worker. Nor does it stop a new returnee in week 1 from passing it onto someone about to be released at the end of week 3 or 4. In fact extending isolation periods just increases the number of people in these facilities that can pass it to each other or workers.

As for the suggestion that governments wouldn't want this to stop - that's just bizzare. Or trolling.

With the right PPE and a decent location it would be pretty damn simple

With those things in place, and testing, and ensuring inmates are kept apart, - 2 weeks is enough.

Quote from: madbugger on June 11, 2021, 01:58:08 PM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 11, 2021, 07:49:06 AM

Quote from: Troy01505 on June 11, 2021, 07:00:32 AM
It's about time they extended the mandatory quarantine period to 3 or 4 weeks for all returning travellers. Most states would have avoided the last couple of lockdowns and it would be cheaper for the government to cover these costs then shut down entire states or cities.

good idea mate...not real sure that some state governments want this to stop tho

I'm damn sure the Victorian Govt are milking it for all it's worth . . . and then some

What is it worth? What would the Govt gain by extending it?

Quote from: djr18fan on June 11, 2021, 06:46:45 PM

Quote from: madbugger on June 11, 2021, 01:58:08 PM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 11, 2021, 07:49:06 AM

Quote from: Troy01505 on June 11, 2021, 07:00:32 AM
It's about time they extended the mandatory quarantine period to 3 or 4 weeks for all returning travellers. Most states would have avoided the last couple of lockdowns and it would be cheaper for the government to cover these costs then shut down entire states or cities.

good idea mate...not real sure that some state governments want this to stop tho

I'm damn sure the Victorian Govt are milking it for all it's worth . . . and then some

What is it worth? What would the Govt gain by extending it?

What they crave...an election win

How does letting a deadly virus getting loose win elections? What gain is there for "milking it"?

The problem is people not taking Covid19 seriously and think it's OK to do what ever they want putting other people at risk.

If the isolation is true isolation, then two weeks is entirely sufficient if it includes testing every two days, and 3 clear tests before exit (in fact it could be one week).

I would like to see the rules adjusted for those with antibody evidence from blood test (AZ. Pfizer, Moderna. J&J or recovery)

Quote from: AlbertM on June 11, 2021, 11:25:21 PM
How does letting a deadly virus getting loose win elections? What gain is there for "milking it"?

The problem is people not taking Covid19 seriously and think it's OK to do what ever they want putting other people at risk.

The real problem in Victoria is that working households on lower incomes can not afford to take it seriously anymore, thousands have been laid off, hundreds of small businesses have been forced to close for good and homeless numbers are skyrocketing!

If anything Dan and his gang have lost themselves the next election.

Exactly. It is not doing the government any favours by stringing Covid along.

IMO though. I wouldn't blame the lower income households for the breaches. They are the least likely to travel,  go out and visit multiple retailers, sporting events, recreation.

Here is one from over this way:

Right, wrong, or indifferent, my state (Michigan) is lifting all mask requirements, and outdoor/indoor capacity limits on July 1.  Where I work they will follow suit and likewise relax.  Up until now, for about a month, you were only required to wear a mask in public if you have not been vaccinated.  Uh..... yeah.... the "Honor System".    ::)

Quote from: AlbertM on June 12, 2021, 12:35:49 AM
Exactly. It is not doing the government any favours by stringing Covid along.

IMO though. I wouldn't blame the lower income households for the breaches. They are the least likely to travel,  go out and visit multiple retailers, sporting events, recreation.

The lower income households aren't the one packing the van and driving up to Qld and spreading the virus.

Quote from: AlbertM on June 11, 2021, 11:25:21 PM
How does letting a deadly virus getting loose win elections? What gain is there for "milking it"?

The problem is people not taking Covid19 seriously and think it's OK to do what ever they want putting other people at risk.

" vote for us, we kept you safe from this horrible flu that 99.9% of people survive from "
i said this at the start of the pandemic...more buisness will collapse than people die from this virus

The actual survival rate is around 75-80%. 3.8 million people have died of Covid19, hardly think that many businesses have collapsed.

According the an Australian Government ad in the news papers, we are better now then before the pandemic. So which is it?

Quote from: AlbertM on June 14, 2021, 02:19:25 AM
The actual survival rate is around 75-80%. 3.8 million people have died of Covid19, hardly think that many businesses have collapsed.

Huh? The 3.8 million is out of 176 million cases, so that's 97.8% survival. Australia's a bit below the world average at 97.0% survival. Of course, if you don't lock down, your hospitals get overrun and the stats get worse. Eg. Mexico's been hammered with their survival being much closer to 90%.

Quote from: Bloopy on June 14, 2021, 03:44:01 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 14, 2021, 02:19:25 AM
The actual survival rate is around 75-80%. 3.8 million people have died of Covid19, hardly think that many businesses have collapsed.

Huh? The 3.8 million is out of 176 million cases, so that's 97.8% survival. Australia's a bit below the world average at 97.0% survival. Of course, if you don't lock down, your hospitals get overrun and the stats get worse. Eg. Mexico's been hammered with their survival being much closer to 90%.

It's like saying we shouldn't shouldn't wear seatbelts, because not that many people die in vehicle accidents compared to the number of vehicle trips. Use the lower stats caused by doing something to argue that thing doesn't need to be done.
Never mind that some people think businesses are more important than lives.
WWJD.

Quote from: djr18fan on June 14, 2021, 05:05:15 AM

Quote from: Bloopy on June 14, 2021, 03:44:01 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 14, 2021, 02:19:25 AM
The actual survival rate is around 75-80%. 3.8 million people have died of Covid19, hardly think that many businesses have collapsed.

Huh? The 3.8 million is out of 176 million cases, so that's 97.8% survival. Australia's a bit below the world average at 97.0% survival. Of course, if you don't lock down, your hospitals get overrun and the stats get worse. Eg. Mexico's been hammered with their survival being much closer to 90%.

It's like saying we shouldn't shouldn't wear seatbelts, because not that many people die in vehicle accidents compared to the number of vehicle trips. Use the lower stats caused by doing something to argue that thing doesn't need to be done.
Never mind that some people think businesses are more important than lives.
WWJD.

So we shouldn't drive to work due to the possibility of a car accident ?....to quote Biden
" come on man "

Quote from: Bloopy on June 14, 2021, 03:44:01 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 14, 2021, 02:19:25 AM
The actual survival rate is around 75-80%. 3.8 million people have died of Covid19, hardly think that many businesses have collapsed.

Huh? The 3.8 million is out of 176 million cases, so that's 97.8% survival. Australia's a bit below the world average at 97.0% survival. Of course, if you don't lock down, your hospitals get overrun and the stats get worse. Eg. Mexico's been hammered with their survival being much closer to 90%.

Bingo!

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 14, 2021, 10:31:22 AM

Quote from: djr18fan on June 14, 2021, 05:05:15 AM

Quote from: Bloopy on June 14, 2021, 03:44:01 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 14, 2021, 02:19:25 AM
The actual survival rate is around 75-80%. 3.8 million people have died of Covid19, hardly think that many businesses have collapsed.

Huh? The 3.8 million is out of 176 million cases, so that's 97.8% survival. Australia's a bit below the world average at 97.0% survival. Of course, if you don't lock down, your hospitals get overrun and the stats get worse. Eg. Mexico's been hammered with their survival being much closer to 90%.

It's like saying we shouldn't shouldn't wear seatbelts, because not that many people die in vehicle accidents compared to the number of vehicle trips. Use the lower stats caused by doing something to argue that thing doesn't need to be done.
Never mind that some people think businesses are more important than lives.
WWJD.

So we shouldn't drive to work due to the possibility of a car accident ?....to quote Biden
" come on man "

Masks, social distancing are the seat belt, lock downs are the airbags.

Quote from: AlbertM on June 14, 2021, 10:49:48 AM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 14, 2021, 10:31:22 AM

Quote from: djr18fan on June 14, 2021, 05:05:15 AM

Quote from: Bloopy on June 14, 2021, 03:44:01 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 14, 2021, 02:19:25 AM
The actual survival rate is around 75-80%. 3.8 million people have died of Covid19, hardly think that many businesses have collapsed.

Huh? The 3.8 million is out of 176 million cases, so that's 97.8% survival. Australia's a bit below the world average at 97.0% survival. Of course, if you don't lock down, your hospitals get overrun and the stats get worse. Eg. Mexico's been hammered with their survival being much closer to 90%.

It's like saying we shouldn't shouldn't wear seatbelts, because not that many people die in vehicle accidents compared to the number of vehicle trips. Use the lower stats caused by doing something to argue that thing doesn't need to be done.
Never mind that some people think businesses are more important than lives.
WWJD.

So we shouldn't drive to work due to the possibility of a car accident ?....to quote Biden
" come on man "

Masks, social distancing are the seat belt, lock downs are the airbags.

for 124 active covid cases nationaly
clearly victoria has failed dismally at controlling covid, yet have the most tighest lockdowns

That's what happens when people flout the rules.

Quote from: djr18fan on June 14, 2021, 05:05:15 AM
It's like saying we shouldn't shouldn't wear seatbelts, because not that many people die in vehicle accidents compared to the number of vehicle trips. Use the lower stats caused by doing something to argue that thing doesn't need to be done.

Exactly. Good survival numbers in practice are not a characteristic of the virus itself. They're the end result of people strictly adhering to rules AND doctors/nurses working their arses off around the clock... they deserve more acknowledgement for it than what they're getting. The 99.9% Trickyonne threw out there is supposedly correct for only Singapore and Laos. A part of the world where there's likely to be military officers patrolling the streets to enforce lockdowns. It also depends who's catching it. Eg. the cases in Singapore might be among a younger imported workforce who don't carry the thing to blimmin' aged care facilities.

Quote from: Bloopy on June 14, 2021, 07:43:52 PM

Quote from: djr18fan on June 14, 2021, 05:05:15 AM
It's like saying we shouldn't shouldn't wear seatbelts, because not that many people die in vehicle accidents compared to the number of vehicle trips. Use the lower stats caused by doing something to argue that thing doesn't need to be done.

Exactly. Good survival numbers in practice are not a characteristic of the virus itself. They're the end result of people strictly adhering to rules AND doctors/nurses working their arses off around the clock... they deserve more acknowledgement for it than what they're getting. The 99.9% Trickyonne threw out there is supposedly correct for only Singapore and Laos. A part of the world where there's likely to be military officers patrolling the streets to enforce lockdowns. It also depends who's catching it. Eg. the cases in Singapore might be among a younger imported workforce who don't carry the thing to blimmin' aged care facilities.

so why doesnt it work in Victoria ?

Quote from: Bloopy on June 14, 2021, 07:43:52 PM

Quote from: djr18fan on June 14, 2021, 05:05:15 AM
It's like saying we shouldn't shouldn't wear seatbelts, because not that many people die in vehicle accidents compared to the number of vehicle trips. Use the lower stats caused by doing something to argue that thing doesn't need to be done.

Exactly. Good survival numbers in practice are not a characteristic of the virus itself. They're the end result of people strictly adhering to rules AND doctors/nurses working their arses off around the clock... they deserve more acknowledgement for it than what they're getting. The 99.9% Trickyonne threw out there is supposedly correct for only Singapore and Laos. A part of the world where there's likely to be military officers patrolling the streets to enforce lockdowns. It also depends who's catching it. Eg. the cases in Singapore might be among a younger imported workforce who don't carry the thing to blimmin' aged care facilities.

Countries that have controlled covid well, also have better performing economies. Businesses do better without covid.

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 15, 2021, 02:15:51 PM

Quote from: Bloopy on June 14, 2021, 07:43:52 PM

Quote from: djr18fan on June 14, 2021, 05:05:15 AM
It's like saying we shouldn't shouldn't wear seatbelts, because not that many people die in vehicle accidents compared to the number of vehicle trips. Use the lower stats caused by doing something to argue that thing doesn't need to be done.

Exactly. Good survival numbers in practice are not a characteristic of the virus itself. They're the end result of people strictly adhering to rules AND doctors/nurses working their arses off around the clock... they deserve more acknowledgement for it than what they're getting. The 99.9% Trickyonne threw out there is supposedly correct for only Singapore and Laos. A part of the world where there's likely to be military officers patrolling the streets to enforce lockdowns. It also depends who's catching it. Eg. the cases in Singapore might be among a younger imported workforce who don't carry the thing to blimmin' aged care facilities.

so why doesnt it work in Victoria ?

Maybe if that bloke from SA got tested before travelling to Melbourne, this lockdown could have been avoided. ;)

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It's like saying we shouldn't shouldn't wear seatbelts, because not that many people die in vehicle accidents compared to the number of vehicle trips. Use the lower stats caused by doing something to argue that thing doesn't need to be done.

Exactly. Good survival numbers in practice are not a characteristic of the virus itself. They're the end result of people strictly adhering to rules AND doctors/nurses working their arses off around the clock... they deserve more acknowledgement for it than what they're getting. The 99.9% Trickyonne threw out there is supposedly correct for only Singapore and Laos. A part of the world where there's likely to be military officers patrolling the streets to enforce lockdowns. It also depends who's catching it. Eg. the cases in Singapore might be among a younger imported workforce who don't carry the thing to blimmin' aged care facilities.

Countries that have controlled covid well, also have better performing economies. Businesses do better without covid.

Tell that to all the Victorian businesses that have shut up shop and the rest of the regional cities in NSW and Vic that are now homeless!

We've controlled the virus reasonably but at a huge cost and they are only hurting more by having snap lockdowns state wide.

I agree we need to lock up hot spots but we need to stop killing the rest of the state. Currently suicide rates are higher then the rates Aussies are dying of Covid

All the more reason for the population step up testing and full vaccinations.  Unfortunately the Federal government has bungled the vaccine roll out.

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Quote from: djr18fan on June 14, 2021, 05:05:15 AM
It's like saying we shouldn't shouldn't wear seatbelts, because not that many people die in vehicle accidents compared to the number of vehicle trips. Use the lower stats caused by doing something to argue that thing doesn't need to be done.

Exactly. Good survival numbers in practice are not a characteristic of the virus itself. They're the end result of people strictly adhering to rules AND doctors/nurses working their arses off around the clock... they deserve more acknowledgement for it than what they're getting. The 99.9% Trickyonne threw out there is supposedly correct for only Singapore and Laos. A part of the world where there's likely to be military officers patrolling the streets to enforce lockdowns. It also depends who's catching it. Eg. the cases in Singapore might be among a younger imported workforce who don't carry the thing to blimmin' aged care facilities.

Countries that have controlled covid well, also have better performing economies. Businesses do better without covid.

Tell that to all the Victorian businesses that have shut up shop and the rest of the regional cities in NSW and Vic that are now homeless!

We've controlled the virus reasonably but at a huge cost and they are only hurting more by having snap lockdowns state wide.

I agree we need to lock up hot spots but we need to stop killing the rest of the state. Currently suicide rates are higher then the rates Aussies are dying of Covid

Troy still ignores the cost to businesses  of not locking down.

Would he be happier if covid deaths were higher than suicide numbers?

I see the point about regional areas, but I guess it's because if you only lock a city down, people go running to the regions.

I imagine a bunch of businesses have been saved by crowdfunding. This article from April (https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/04/coronavirus-suicide-rates-went-down-during-lockdown-in-nz-australia-other-countries-study.html) says suicide rates went down in Australia since the pandemic, but the data won't be fresh. 3rd and 4th lockdowns surely wear people down.

For me I will be getting the Vaccine when I am eligible to do so, it is no different to the fact that I get the flu jab every year. Regardless that our state (Tas) seems to have things under control why not get a vaccine to possibly prevent getting something that might kill you than run a risk.

For work I used to visit a number of nursing homes, hospitals and deal with a number of elderly clients. I can see it eventually becoming a requirement to have had the vaccine in order to be able to visit those places so I might as well get it when I can.

Here we go in NSW again...

Quote from: AlbertM on June 17, 2021, 03:23:59 PM
Here we go in NSW again...

And it will continue unless people get vaccinated.

I got my doses last month. Not to protect myself, but  to do my part in stamping out the virus, saving economies and lives of people that may die if I catch it and pass it on.

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The vaccines are definitely preventing a lot of deaths as they make the disease less severe. Keep that silly list in mind and we'll see what others we can check off later.

The vaccine will make anti-vaxxers look more stupid than they already do.

Quote from: Bloopy on June 18, 2021, 09:48:35 AM
The vaccines are definitely preventing a lot of deaths as they make the disease less severe. Keep that silly list in mind and we'll see what others we can check off later.

if you have had he vaccine, contract the disease, you spread the full disease not a smaller version of it - don't be silly

You contract and spread the "full" virus (SARS‑CoV‑2), not the COVID-19 disease itself as such. The two are merely interchanged in common language for convenience. The severity of your experience with the disease depends on how well your body and its immune system are prepared to react to the virus. A 5 year old child can understand that. There's no excuse.

nice back-track

Show me where I backtracked. I 100% stand by my statement that vaccines prevent a lot of deaths as they make the disease less severe.

Quote from: Bonlac on June 18, 2021, 11:31:01 AM
nice back-track

Good to see you posting again :)

I remember when I was a teen I was warned against using experimental drugs...now I have to take them

How long before we see a vaccination card so people can travel ?

Quote from: Bloopy on June 18, 2021, 11:35:45 AM
Show me where I backtracked. I 100% stand by my statement that vaccines prevent a lot of deaths as they make the disease less severe.

show me how the vaccine makes the disease less severe..

that statement is so ridiculous it is no funny - so if I get it after I have had the vaccine, when I pass it on they will only get 50% sick, then when they pass it on then the person only becomes 25% sick - what a stupid statement - the vaccines does NOT reduce the impact of the disease

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Quote from: Bloopy on June 18, 2021, 11:35:45 AM
Show me where I backtracked. I 100% stand by my statement that vaccines prevent a lot of deaths as they make the disease less severe.

show me how the vaccine makes the disease less severe..

that statement is so ridiculous it is no funny - so if I get it after I have had the vaccine, when I pass it on they will only get 50% sick, then when they pass it on then the person only becomes 25% sick - what a stupid statement - the vaccines does NOT reduce the impact of the disease

It makes it less severe for the individual. The vaccines are like seatbelts or airbags; they do not reduce the number or severity of car crashes, but you are must more likely to survive a car crash with them. As I understand it, the vaccines will not stop the spread of the virus, but they will lessen its effect on individuals and reduce the chance of severe illness or death.

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Quote from: Bloopy on June 18, 2021, 11:35:45 AM
Show me where I backtracked. I 100% stand by my statement that vaccines prevent a lot of deaths as they make the disease less severe.

show me how the vaccine makes the disease less severe..

that statement is so ridiculous it is no funny - so if I get it after I have had the vaccine, when I pass it on they will only get 50% sick, then when they pass it on then the person only becomes 25% sick - what a stupid statement - the vaccines does NOT reduce the impact of the disease

It makes it less severe for the individual. The vaccines are like seatbelts or airbags; they do not reduce the number or severity of car crashes, but you are must more likely to survive a car crash with them. As I understand it, the vaccines will not stop the spread of the virus, but they will lessen its effect on individuals and reduce the chance of severe illness or death.

The vaccine has been shown to significantly reduce the transmission of the virus. Before the vaccination, the virus was transmitted like a  pyramid sales scam. With vaccines transmission is interrupted significantly.

Vaccines have eradicated the smallpox and rinderplast diseases. And very nearly eradicated several others. The only reason more diseases haven't been completely eradicated is because of vaccine hesitancy or complacency.

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Quote from: Bonlac on June 18, 2021, 11:31:01 AM
nice back-track

Good to see you posting again :)

I remember when I was a teen I was warned against using experimental drugs...now I have to take them

How long before we see a vaccination card so people can travel ?

We were told not to experiment with drugs ourselves.  :P

Quote from: Bonlac on June 18, 2021, 01:50:15 PM

Quote from: Bloopy on June 18, 2021, 11:35:45 AM
Show me where I backtracked. I 100% stand by my statement that vaccines prevent a lot of deaths as they make the disease less severe.

show me how the vaccine makes the disease less severe..

that statement is so ridiculous it is no funny - so if I get it after I have had the vaccine, when I pass it on they will only get 50% sick, then when they pass it on then the person only becomes 25% sick - what a stupid statement - the vaccines does NOT reduce the impact of the disease

Polio, chicken pox, measles, whooping cough... Vaccines brought these under control.  Vaccines boost immunity, helping the body fight the virus, reducing the time a person infectious, reducing the time a person can transmit the virus.

Quote from: Kytabu on June 18, 2021, 02:10:36 PM
It makes it less severe for the individual. The vaccines are like seatbelts or airbags; they do not reduce the number or severity of car crashes, but you are must more likely to survive a car crash with them. As I understand it, the vaccines will not stop the spread of the virus, but they will lessen its effect on individuals and reduce the chance of severe illness or death.

I fully get that, but to say I will pass on a less severe version is just plain stupid and not at all factual.  Yes, I will get a less severe dose of the disease (apparently) but I will pass on the full version if I infect someone else

We need to stop the bull**** lockdowns and in my opinion utilising off shore detention centres with live in staff is a better way then quarantining idiots coming back from overseas hotspots in or around capital cities!

I take bigger risks every day then the small risk of taking a vaccine that's had more money and scientists thrown at it then most others in history. I'll be getting the first jab once my common cold disappears. Why? Because I work with people who would die from catching something a less lethal then the stupid ****ing virus

Quote from: Bonlac on June 18, 2021, 01:50:15 PMshow me how the vaccine makes the disease less severe..

that statement is so ridiculous it is no funny - so if I get it after I have had the vaccine, when I pass it on they will only get 50% sick, then when they pass it on then the person only becomes 25% sick - what a stupid statement - the vaccines does NOT reduce the impact of the disease

I was responding solely to the "Prevent you from death" line in the image that you posted. It's the most obviously wrong statement on the sign. So I was focusing on the fact that once you've had the vaccine, it significantly reduces the impact of the disease in you.

As djr18fan says, there's also evidence that the vaccine reduces the chance of passing the virus on, but I wasn't talking about its severity in any other person other than one who got the vaccine. Because the image you posted is about getting vaccinated. ****'s sake.

These two links saved me from typing a rant. They convey my thoughts on the failure of the Federal LNP government.

https://youtu.be/lHg9ykUW4XA

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/25/the-federal-government-squandered-our-precious-covid-advantage-now-sydney-is-in-lockdown

Quote"We hope that the Sydney visitor to Wellington was not one of these super-carriers even if infected with the more transmissible Delta variant," Rako chief science officer Dr Stephen Grice said.

"It is good news the visitor had a first vaccination shot as it's possible this reduced the risk of being a super-carrier, which supports Chris Hipkins' comment that it is a low risk but not no risk."

A Public Health England study published in the British Medical Journal backs this up, finding adults infected with COVID-19 three weeks after receiving one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine were 38-49 percent less likely to pass the virus on.

The study found protection against COVID-19 was seen from around 14 days after vaccination, with similar levels observed regardless of the age of cases or contacts.

However should the Sydney case prove to be a COVID-19 'supercarrier' - an individual carrying unusually high amounts of the SARS-CoV-2 virus - it could spell bad news for Wellington.

A Colorado University study found just 2 percent of COVID-19 cases carry 90 percent of the circulating SARS-CoV-2 virus in a population. That means most people with COVID-19 don't infect many if any others, but a few people infect others in large numbers.

https://news.google.com/s/CAoiIkNCSVNFd2dNYWc4S0RXNWxkM05vZFdJdVkyOHVibm9vQUFQAQ?sceid=NZ:en

Ahhhh Sydney, the State led by the most corrupt Liberal Party puppet of all time, just can't say lock-down because she has been so busy ****-canning other States that she has painted herself into a corner

BTW, who is she rooting this week?

Quote from: Bonlac on June 25, 2021, 07:16:15 PM
Ahhhh Sydney, the State led by the most corrupt Liberal Party puppet of all time, just can't say lock-down because she has been so busy ****-canning other States that she has painted herself into a corner

BTW, who is she rooting this week?

If your mob is anything like you, no wonder they dumped Gillard....that is one of the most misogynistic post I have read, and as a father of 3 daughters Iam horrified that a sexist individual like yourself exists

Very sad that you think you have the power to talk about woman that way

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Quote from: Bonlac on June 25, 2021, 07:16:15 PM
Ahhhh Sydney, the State led by the most corrupt Liberal Party puppet of all time, just can't say lock-down because she has been so busy ****-canning other States that she has painted herself into a corner

BTW, who is she rooting this week?

If your mob is anything like you, no wonder they dumped Gillard....that is one of the most misogynistic post I have read, and as a father of 3 daughters Iam horrified that a sexist individual like yourself exists

Very sad that you think you have the power to talk about woman that way

I believe, from what you have stated, it's your 'mob' too...

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Ahhhh Sydney, the State led by the most corrupt Liberal Party puppet of all time, just can't say lock-down because she has been so busy ****-canning other States that she has painted herself into a corner

BTW, who is she rooting this week?

If your mob is anything like you, no wonder they dumped Gillard....that is one of the most misogynistic post I have read, and as a father of 3 daughters Iam horrified that a sexist individual like yourself exists

Very sad that you think you have the power to talk about woman that way

I believe, from what you have stated, it's your 'mob' too...

a "progressive " sticking up for another "progressives "  mysoginistic behaviour .... who would have thought eh ?....pity you dont show some courage and stand up against it LG :(

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Quote from: Bonlac on June 25, 2021, 07:16:15 PM
Ahhhh Sydney, the State led by the most corrupt Liberal Party puppet of all time, just can't say lock-down because she has been so busy ****-canning other States that she has painted herself into a corner

BTW, who is she rooting this week?

If your mob is anything like you, no wonder they dumped Gillard....that is one of the most misogynistic post I have read, and as a father of 3 daughters Iam horrified that a sexist individual like yourself exists

Very sad that you think you have the power to talk about woman that way

I believe, from what you have stated, it's your 'mob' too...

a "progressive " sticking up for another "progressives "  mysoginistic behaviour .... who would have thought eh ?....pity you dont show some courage and stand up against it LG :(

As usual you've side stepped...

This one gave me a chuckle.

(https://i.redd.it/w66h4klmye771.jpg)

29 more cases now.

Gladys- Australia's version of Bill Clinton😆😆😆

At least Bill didn't have sex with some corrupt politcian

https://youtu.be/tlzi7zyvVIY

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Quote from: Bonlac on June 25, 2021, 07:16:15 PM
Ahhhh Sydney, the State led by the most corrupt Liberal Party puppet of all time, just can't say lock-down because she has been so busy ****-canning other States that she has painted herself into a corner

BTW, who is she rooting this week?

If your mob is anything like you, no wonder they dumped Gillard....that is one of the most misogynistic post I have read, and as a father of 3 daughters Iam horrified that a sexist individual like yourself exists

Very sad that you think you have the power to talk about woman that way

I believe, from what you have stated, it's your 'mob' too...

a "progressive " sticking up for another "progressives "  mysoginistic behaviour .... who would have thought eh ?....pity you dont show some courage and stand up against it LG :(

Put down the stones, boy.

You attitude towards Gillard, your praise and support for the Beetrooter and being a pro-lifer doesn't exactly give you standing to lecture us about misogyny.

Gladys Berejiklian has screwed us again. 100 cases before a lockdown is a joke. The shyte she shovelled to the other states for locking down early, we are now in for a longer period of recovery.  Yes, NSW is the gold standard in contract tracing, that's like claiming victory crossing the finish line in last place.

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Quote from: Bonlac on June 25, 2021, 07:16:15 PM
Ahhhh Sydney, the State led by the most corrupt Liberal Party puppet of all time, just can't say lock-down because she has been so busy ****-canning other States that she has painted herself into a corner

BTW, who is she rooting this week?

If your mob is anything like you, no wonder they dumped Gillard....that is one of the most misogynistic post I have read, and as a father of 3 daughters Iam horrified that a sexist individual like yourself exists

Very sad that you think you have the power to talk about woman that way

I believe, from what you have stated, it's your 'mob' too...

a "progressive " sticking up for another "progressives "  mysoginistic behaviour .... who would have thought eh ?....pity you dont show some courage and stand up against it LG :(

Put down the stones, boy.

You attitude towards Gillard, your praise and support for the Beetrooter and being a pro-lifer doesn't exactly give you standing to lecture us about misogyny.

My attitude  ?....not ONCE have I attacked Gillard over her sexuality ....YOU lefties literally never stand up for women  ....what do you do ?....stand up for a woman ?...hell no....you blokes are dinosaurs and need to respect women

Criminal...

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/governments-appalling-error-rejects-offer-of-40-million-pfizer-doses-in-july-2020/

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Quote from: Trickyonne on June 25, 2021, 10:08:58 PM

Quote from: Bonlac on June 25, 2021, 07:16:15 PM
Ahhhh Sydney, the State led by the most corrupt Liberal Party puppet of all time, just can't say lock-down because she has been so busy ****-canning other States that she has painted herself into a corner

BTW, who is she rooting this week?

If your mob is anything like you, no wonder they dumped Gillard....that is one of the most misogynistic post I have read, and as a father of 3 daughters Iam horrified that a sexist individual like yourself exists

Very sad that you think you have the power to talk about woman that way

I believe, from what you have stated, it's your 'mob' too...

a "progressive " sticking up for another "progressives "  mysoginistic behaviour .... who would have thought eh ?....pity you dont show some courage and stand up against it LG :(

Put down the stones, boy.

You attitude towards Gillard, your praise and support for the Beetrooter and being a pro-lifer doesn't exactly give you standing to lecture us about misogyny.

My attitude  ?....not ONCE have I attacked Gillard over her sexuality ....YOU lefties literally never stand up for women  ....what do you do ?....stand up for a woman ?...hell no....you blokes are dinosaurs and need to respect women

I stand up for Gillard, she is women, yes? I support a women right to choose. I condemn an adulterer, your reply was he is doing the right thing supporting two families.

You defended Politian's that stood in front of sexist slogans, You brag you have 3 daughters yet you would deny them the right to choose to do with their own bodies. How would you explain it to them if their partners left them to start another family?

We're Dinosaurs? Were you looking in a mirror when you typed your reply.

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Quote from: Bonlac on June 25, 2021, 07:16:15 PM
Ahhhh Sydney, the State led by the most corrupt Liberal Party puppet of all time, just can't say lock-down because she has been so busy ****-canning other States that she has painted herself into a corner

BTW, who is she rooting this week?

If your mob is anything like you, no wonder they dumped Gillard....that is one of the most misogynistic post I have read, and as a father of 3 daughters Iam horrified that a sexist individual like yourself exists

Very sad that you think you have the power to talk about woman that way

I believe, from what you have stated, it's your 'mob' too...

a "progressive " sticking up for another "progressives "  mysoginistic behaviour .... who would have thought eh ?....pity you dont show some courage and stand up against it LG :(

Put down the stones, boy.

You attitude towards Gillard, your praise and support for the Beetrooter and being a pro-lifer doesn't exactly give you standing to lecture us about misogyny.

My attitude  ?....not ONCE have I attacked Gillard over her sexuality ....YOU lefties literally never stand up for women  ....what do you do ?....stand up for a woman ?...hell no....you blokes are dinosaurs and need to respect women

I stand up for Gillard, she is women, yes? I support a women right to choose. I condemn an adulterer, your reply was he is doing the right thing supporting two families.

You defended Politian's that stood in front of sexist slogans, You brag you have 3 daughters yet you would deny them the right to choose to do with their own bodies. How would you explain it to them if their partners left them to start another family?

We're Dinosaurs? Were you looking in a mirror when you typed your reply.

yep, keep deflecting and dont stand up against sexism ... common thread among you lot :(   
wht is it so hard to condem sexist commenst ?

And I told you I won't be lectured by a hypocrite.

Get off your imaginary high horse and stick to the topic.

I hope no-one gets covid from this dribble...

Anyone else notice the stark contrast in media portrayal of Glady's vs Andrews in near identical situations?  Quite telling imo.  She held out as long as she could to not look like a hypocrite regarding lockdowns and all the hesitation has achieved is a dangerous blowout of numbers which is going to be much harder to get under control. 

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 27, 2021, 03:51:38 PM
Anyone else notice the stark contrast in media portrayal of Glady's vs Andrews in near identical situations?  Quite telling imo.  She held out as long as she could to not look like a hypocrite regarding lockdowns and all the hesitation has achieved is a dangerous blowout of numbers which is going to be much harder to get under control.

Total crap....she was smart about it....why lock down a whole state when it's only in one area ???....many parts of Australia have not had any COVID case at all, some with 1000 kms yet governments lock them down  ???....well done,to her I say .... Sure,lock areas down but not the whole state

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 27, 2021, 04:00:34 PM

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 27, 2021, 03:51:38 PM
Anyone else notice the stark contrast in media portrayal of Glady's vs Andrews in near identical situations?  Quite telling imo.  She held out as long as she could to not look like a hypocrite regarding lockdowns and all the hesitation has achieved is a dangerous blowout of numbers which is going to be much harder to get under control.

Total crap....she was smart about it....why lock down a whole state when it's only in one area ???....many parts of Australia have not had any COVID case at all, some with 1000 kms yet governments lock them down  ???....well done,to her I say .... Sure,lock areas down but not the whole state

Huh?  Yes it should only be a Sydney lockdown, my point is how long it has taken to put a lockdown in place in order to curb the outbreak.

Ummm, it's out of control. Sydney should have been locked down as soon as figures hit double digits two weeks ago. We are now going to have a longer lockdown because it will take longer to mop up. SA, Vic, WA and Qld have proven short, sharp lockdowns work.

Quote from: AlbertM on June 27, 2021, 04:15:47 PM
Ummm, it's out of control. Sydney should have been locked down as soon as figures hit double digits two weeks ago. We are now going to have a longer lockdown because it will take longer to mop up. SA, Vic, WA and Qld have proven short, sharp lockdowns work.

VIC have,proven a "short " lock down works ?..... surely you are kidding ???....Surrey ??...l.I don't think you are .....oh

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Quote from: AlbertM on June 27, 2021, 04:15:47 PM
Ummm, it's out of control. Sydney should have been locked down as soon as figures hit double digits two weeks ago. We are now going to have a longer lockdown because it will take longer to mop up. SA, Vic, WA and Qld have proven short, sharp lockdowns work.

VIC have,proven a "short " lock down works ?..... surely you are kidding ???....Surrey ??...l.I don't think you are .....oh

Are you suggesting that if they had waited a week longer, that they would have recovered their outbreak at the same time as a sharper lockdown?

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Quote from: AlbertM on June 27, 2021, 04:15:47 PM
Ummm, it's out of control. Sydney should have been locked down as soon as figures hit double digits two weeks ago. We are now going to have a longer lockdown because it will take longer to mop up. SA, Vic, WA and Qld have proven short, sharp lockdowns work.

VIC have,proven a "short " lock down works ?..... surely you are kidding ???....Surrey ??...l.I don't think you are .....oh

Are you suggesting that if they had waited a week longer, that they would have recovered their outbreak at the same time as a sharper lockdown?

That's the beautiful thing for our politicians ...no one will ever know, but they will use it to be re-elected

Quote from: AlbertM on June 27, 2021, 01:53:02 PM
Gladys Berejiklian has screwed us again. 100 cases before a lockdown is a joke. The shyte she shovelled to the other states for locking down early, we are now in for a longer period of recovery.  Yes, NSW is the gold standard in contract tracing, that's like claiming victory crossing the finish line in last place.

What the **** happened to thei NSW 'gold standard' 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Didn't they learn anything from the debacle of the  Ruby Princess? They were the first to send the pox right across Australia and the ****ing idiots have done it again

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 27, 2021, 03:51:38 PM
Anyone else notice the stark contrast in media portrayal of Glady's vs Andrews in near identical situations?  Quite telling imo.  She held out as long as she could to not look like a hypocrite regarding lockdowns and all the hesitation has achieved is a dangerous blowout of numbers which is going to be much harder to get under control.

well said, spot on

The media are in the Libs pocket

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 27, 2021, 04:18:19 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 27, 2021, 04:15:47 PM
Ummm, it's out of control. Sydney should have been locked down as soon as figures hit double digits two weeks ago. We are now going to have a longer lockdown because it will take longer to mop up. SA, Vic, WA and Qld have proven short, sharp lockdowns work.

VIC have,proven a "short " lock down works ?..... surely you are kidding ???....Surrey ??...l.I don't think you are .....oh

Well, let's look what actually happened. Vic got several cases and locked down for a week. Vic was cut off from other states. Vic extended it's lock down for another week. Cases fell. Vic is reopened to the other states in 3weeks.

NSW had several cases. doesn't lockdown. 1 week later cases climb, no lock down. 2 weeks later, cases are high double digits, 4 shires are locked down, cases grow to over 100. Finally a city wide lock down is in place. Not before several case have escaped to other states Vic, Qld, NT and WA. NSW will closed to other states for at least a month. We are 4 weeks since the Limo driver and cases are still climbing.

Vic's massive second wave was a result of not locking down until hundreds were infected. Took months to recover.

No I am not kidding. You are kidding yourself.

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 27, 2021, 04:34:25 PM

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 27, 2021, 04:24:29 PM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 27, 2021, 04:18:19 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 27, 2021, 04:15:47 PM
Ummm, it's out of control. Sydney should have been locked down as soon as figures hit double digits two weeks ago. We are now going to have a longer lockdown because it will take longer to mop up. SA, Vic, WA and Qld have proven short, sharp lockdowns work.

VIC have,proven a "short " lock down works ?..... surely you are kidding ???....Surrey ??...l.I don't think you are .....oh

Are you suggesting that if they had waited a week longer, that they would have recovered their outbreak at the same time as a sharper lockdown?

That's the beautiful thing for our politicians ...no one will ever know, but they will use it to be re-elected

But we do know. After several weeks numbers are climbing. We have other countries that resisted lockdowns and the virus went wild.  We are not feeling around in the dark. Glady's is only covering he political ass. She mouthed off NSW could handle covid without lock downs. Now we are in it up to our necks again. Over 100 cases in Bondi alone.

Quote from: Bonlac on June 27, 2021, 05:32:46 PM

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 27, 2021, 03:51:38 PM
Anyone else notice the stark contrast in media portrayal of Glady's vs Andrews in near identical situations?  Quite telling imo.  She held out as long as she could to not look like a hypocrite regarding lockdowns and all the hesitation has achieved is a dangerous blowout of numbers which is going to be much harder to get under control.

well said, spot on

The media are in the Libs pocket

Is that you Donald Trump ?

hahahahaha, not wishing any harm on people, but jesus it has been great watching that idiot Berejiklian stand on her dick

****ing NSW gave us the Ruby Princess by their inability to act, the main reason for the first spread in Australia and the stupid ****s have done it again - have they learnt nothing.  Spread it right across Australia AGAIN - she should face criminal charges

Those NSW ****s (with the help of ScoMo & Co) have pointed fingers at other States over the last 12 month, called themselves 'gold standard' and the ****s have learnt nothing from the ****-ups of other States or the Ruby Princess - ****ing incompetent idiots

Now due to the inaction of this piss-poor Government, the people of NSW have to suffer the same fate as Victoria

Quote from: Bonlac on June 28, 2021, 07:41:41 AM
hahahahaha, not wishing any harm on people, but jesus it has been great watching that idiot Berejiklian stand on her dick

****ing NSW gave us the Ruby Princess by their inability to act, the main reason for the first spread in Australia and the stupid ****s have done it again - have they learnt nothing.  Spread it right across Australia AGAIN - she should face criminal charges

Those NSW ****s (with the help of ScoMo & Co) have pointed fingers at other States over the last 12 month, called themselves 'gold standard' and the ****s have learnt nothing from the ****-ups of other States or the Ruby Princess - ****ing incompetent idiots

Now due to the inaction of this piss-poor Government, the people of NSW have to suffer the same fate as Victoria

Tell us what you really think

Quote from: Bonlac on June 28, 2021, 07:41:41 AM
hahahahaha, not wishing any harm on people, but jesus it has been great watching that idiot Berejiklian stand on her dick

****ing NSW gave us the Ruby Princess by their inability to act, the main reason for the first spread in Australia and the stupid ****s have done it again - have they learnt nothing.  Spread it right across Australia AGAIN - she should face criminal charges

Those NSW ****s (with the help of ScoMo & Co) have pointed fingers at other States over the last 12 month, called themselves 'gold standard' and the ****s have learnt nothing from the ****-ups of other States or the Ruby Princess - ****ing incompetent idiots

Now due to the inaction of this piss-poor Government, the people of NSW have to suffer the same fate as Victoria

And you start by laughing about it ?....I'm guessing you are not a business owner but you are paid by the government?

You support this incompetence. Now thats funny. :)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/when-i-look-at-australia-from-the-us-i-see-an-insular-nation-that-has-turned-its-back-on-its-own

Quote from: AlbertM on June 28, 2021, 08:31:23 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/when-i-look-at-australia-from-the-us-i-see-an-insular-nation-that-has-turned-its-back-on-its-own

Finally...an Aussie who whinges about the best country on earth and doesn't want to come back ... excellent don't come back home

Quote from: madbugger on June 28, 2021, 08:05:55 AM

Quote from: Bonlac on June 28, 2021, 07:41:41 AM
hahahahaha, not wishing any harm on people, but jesus it has been great watching that idiot Berejiklian stand on her dick

****ing NSW gave us the Ruby Princess by their inability to act, the main reason for the first spread in Australia and the stupid ****s have done it again - have they learnt nothing.  Spread it right across Australia AGAIN - she should face criminal charges

Those NSW ****s (with the help of ScoMo & Co) have pointed fingers at other States over the last 12 month, called themselves 'gold standard' and the ****s have learnt nothing from the ****-ups of other States or the Ruby Princess - ****ing incompetent idiots

Now due to the inaction of this piss-poor Government, the people of NSW have to suffer the same fate as Victoria

Tell us what you really think

nah, that's the tamed down version of what I really think

Can people PLEASE not quote that bloke from S.A. i don't need to read his dribble.

I have him blocked so I don't have to read his words

Quote from: AlbertM on June 27, 2021, 05:55:51 PM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 27, 2021, 04:18:19 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 27, 2021, 04:15:47 PM
Ummm, it's out of control. Sydney should have been locked down as soon as figures hit double digits two weeks ago. We are now going to have a longer lockdown because it will take longer to mop up. SA, Vic, WA and Qld have proven short, sharp lockdowns work.

VIC have,proven a "short " lock down works ?..... surely you are kidding ???....Surrey ??...l.I don't think you are .....oh

Well, let's look what actually happened. Vic got several cases and locked down for a week. Vic was cut off from other states. Vic extended it's lock down for another week. Cases fell. Vic is reopened to the other states in 3weeks.

NSW had several cases. doesn't lockdown. 1 week later cases climb, no lock down. 2 weeks later, cases are high double digits, 4 shires are locked down, cases grow to over 100. Finally a city wide lock down is in place. Not before several case have escaped to other states Vic, Qld, NT and WA. NSW will closed to other states for at least a month. We are 4 weeks since the Limo driver and cases are still climbing.

Vic's massive second wave was a result of not locking down until hundreds were infected. Took months to recover.

No I am not kidding. You are kidding yourself.

I notice that after being apparently gobsmacked by your original stance, once you provided factual evidence which supports a very logical process, he doesn't even reply. Very telling and goes to show how some people's opinions are driven purely by media spin and not their ability to think as individuals.

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 28, 2021, 11:52:04 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 27, 2021, 05:55:51 PM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 27, 2021, 04:18:19 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 27, 2021, 04:15:47 PM
Ummm, it's out of control. Sydney should have been locked down as soon as figures hit double digits two weeks ago. We are now going to have a longer lockdown because it will take longer to mop up. SA, Vic, WA and Qld have proven short, sharp lockdowns work.

VIC have,proven a "short " lock down works ?..... surely you are kidding ???....Surrey ??...l.I don't think you are .....oh

Well, let's look what actually happened. Vic got several cases and locked down for a week. Vic was cut off from other states. Vic extended it's lock down for another week. Cases fell. Vic is reopened to the other states in 3weeks.

NSW had several cases. doesn't lockdown. 1 week later cases climb, no lock down. 2 weeks later, cases are high double digits, 4 shires are locked down, cases grow to over 100. Finally a city wide lock down is in place. Not before several case have escaped to other states Vic, Qld, NT and WA. NSW will closed to other states for at least a month. We are 4 weeks since the Limo driver and cases are still climbing.

Vic's massive second wave was a result of not locking down until hundreds were infected. Took months to recover.

No I am not kidding. You are kidding yourself.

I notice that after being apparently gobsmacked by your original stance, once you provided factual evidence which supports a very logical process, he doesn't even reply. Very telling and goes to show how some people's opinions are driven purely by media spin and not their ability to think as individuals.

Nah mate...you can't put brains in statues
If you want to believe the negative narrative and the panic theory then go for it

Quote from: madbugger on June 28, 2021, 08:05:55 AM

Quote from: Bonlac on June 28, 2021, 07:41:41 AM
hahahahaha, not wishing any harm on people, but jesus it has been great watching that idiot Berejiklian stand on her dick

****ing NSW gave us the Ruby Princess by their inability to act, the main reason for the first spread in Australia and the stupid ****s have done it again - have they learnt nothing.  Spread it right across Australia AGAIN - she should face criminal charges

Those NSW ****s (with the help of ScoMo & Co) have pointed fingers at other States over the last 12 month, called themselves 'gold standard' and the ****s have learnt nothing from the ****-ups of other States or the Ruby Princess - ****ing incompetent idiots

Now due to the inaction of this piss-poor Government, the people of NSW have to suffer the same fate as Victoria

Tell us what you really think

You do know that NSW is the gold standards for trace and tracing the covid with our QR Code system queenland think the QR means queensland report, and how is queensland going paying nsw back the 40 million for looking after their covid cases.

Quote from: Cobra on June 28, 2021, 12:05:02 PM

You do know that NSW is the gold standards for trace and tracing the covid with our QR Code system queenland think the QR means queensland report, and how is queensland going paying nsw back the 40 million for looking after their covid cases.

You mean like the Federal Liberals that have now given us a debt 7 times the debt that Labor left, what happened to the "budget emergency" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

$40 mil is nothing

Zero cars in south Australia ..... yet we have a raft of new restrictions?.....good thing this isn't politically motivated eh ?

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 28, 2021, 08:43:25 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 28, 2021, 08:31:23 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/when-i-look-at-australia-from-the-us-i-see-an-insular-nation-that-has-turned-its-back-on-its-own

Finally...an Aussie who whinges about the best country on earth and doesn't want to come back ... excellent don't come back home

I didn't see him whinging about New Zealand, the official best country on earth!

Quote from: the undertaker on June 28, 2021, 05:44:31 PM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 28, 2021, 08:43:25 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 28, 2021, 08:31:23 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/when-i-look-at-australia-from-the-us-i-see-an-insular-nation-that-has-turned-its-back-on-its-own

Finally...an Aussie who whinges about the best country on earth and doesn't want to come back ... excellent don't come back home

I didn't see him whinging about New Zealand, the official best country on earth!

Ha ha ...I'm happy with the second best

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 28, 2021, 04:35:51 PM
Zero cars in south Australia ..... yet we have a raft of new restrictions?.....good thing this isn't politically motivated eh ?

Exactly The LNP government dared the manufacturers to leave and Holden and Toyota called their bluff.  8)

Hey Trick...I hear that the faceless people behind the Covid conspiracy are the same mob that faked the moon landings. Stanley Kubrick is still alive and directing it.  :o

Quote from: AlbertM on June 28, 2021, 06:07:22 PM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 28, 2021, 04:35:51 PM
Zero cars in south Australia ..... yet we have a raft of new restrictions?.....good thing this isn't politically motivated eh ?

Exactly The LNP government dared the manufacturers to leave and Holden and Toyota called their bluff.  8)

Hey Trick...I hear that the faceless people behind the Covid conspiracy are the same mob that faked the moon landings. Stanley Kubrick is still alive and directing it.  :o

Lol...no idea what you are talking about, but fair enough
1 person in a country of 25million is in intensive care from COVID
Nearly all of our aged care patients are now immunised

Yet our country is shut ?....that doesn't make sense to me

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 28, 2021, 06:28:11 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 28, 2021, 06:07:22 PM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 28, 2021, 04:35:51 PM
Zero cars in south Australia ..... yet we have a raft of new restrictions?.....good thing this isn't politically motivated eh ?

Exactly The LNP government dared the manufacturers to leave and Holden and Toyota called their bluff.  8)

Hey Trick...I hear that the faceless people behind the Covid conspiracy are the same mob that faked the moon landings. Stanley Kubrick is still alive and directing it.  :o

Lol...no idea what you are talking about, but fair enough
1 person in a country of 25million is in intensive care from COVID
Nearly all of our aged care patients are now immunised

Yet our country is shut ?....that doesn't make sense to me

Only 5% of the country has had the required 2 vaccinations. 

I had high hopes for a quality discussion....Wait, no I didn't.

The Delta strain we are now seeing is far more infectious and contagious. Once where close contacts or even family members in the same house could get away with it. We are now seeing 100% transmission rates in those circumstances. And with the Morrison governments complete and utter failure to deliver a vaccine we have no choice but to close shop.

Since March, just 4.8% are fully vaccinated. Only 19.2% have received their first shot. Far cry from the original goal of everyone fully vaccinated by August. The goal has bee revised 3 times. and we are falling behind on the current goal of 16 million by August to the tune of 4.5million doses.

So much for "being head of the que". Australia is in last place in the OECD for vaccinations.

If states are shutting up with no cases, regional NSW for the first time has a mask mandate. The NT had it's first ever case of community transmission since the pandemic started. Things are worse than the Premiers are letting on.

Quote from: AlbertM on June 28, 2021, 07:20:10 PM
I had high hopes for a quality discussion....Wait, no I didn't.

The Delta strain we are now seeing is far more infectious and contagious. Once where close contacts or even family members in the same house could get away with it. We are now seeing 100% transmission rates in those circumstances. And with the Morrison governments complete and utter failure to deliver a vaccine we have no choice but to close shop.

Since March, just 4.8% are fully vaccinated. Only 19.2% have received their first shot. Far cry from the original goal of everyone fully vaccinated by August. The goal has bee revised 3 times. and we are falling behind on the current goal of 16 million by August to the tune of 4.5million doses.

So much for "being head of the que". Australia is in last place in the OECD for vaccinations.

If states are shutting up with no cases, regional NSW for the first time has a mask mandate. The NT had it's first ever case of community transmission since the pandemic started. Things are worse than the Premiers are letting on.

You are getting sucked into the hysterical theory alby mate

Unlike you. I actually do research. I took that from your favourite, Glady's herself, from her morning press conference.

Read this and educate yourself. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/28/the-delta-variant-has-rebooted-covid-so-australia-must-reboot-its-strategy

Your incompetent attitude is the type that lead to massive death toll in the US.

here we go again, the whole of Australia being affected by the decisions of NSW - groundhog day - ala Ruby Princess

this NSW Premier needs to be charged with some criminal offence for the poor decisions she makes

Australia in last place in the OECD for % vaccinated.

https://imgur.com/pZfZwc3

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 29, 2021, 06:51:25 AM
Australia in last place in the OECD for % vaccinated.

https://imgur.com/pZfZwc3

what a surprise NOT!!!!

This Federal Government has a history of slow reactions - just remember the fires of 2020 and the original response to the Ruby Princess - they are like an elephant on Mandrax

PM & NSW Premier bag out Victoria for their lock-downs - zero cases in Victoria for the last 3 days

NSW doesn't do lock-down and as a result infects every State except Victoria, Tasmaina and S.A. - who is the smartest Government - Not NSW that's for sure

Quote from: Trevor on June 29, 2021, 09:06:41 AM
PM & NSW Premier bag out Victoria for their lock-downs - zero cases in Victoria for the last 3 days

NSW doesn't do lock-down and as a result infects every State except Victoria, Tasmaina and S.A. - who is the smartest Government - Not NSW that's for sure

Barnaby leading by example.  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/barnaby-joyce-fined-for-not-wearing-mask-in-nsw-covid-19-breach/100251944

Rules for thee and rules for me.

I hope they make the fine stand - bloody idiots

Quote from: AlbertM on June 28, 2021, 10:29:53 PM
Unlike you. I actually do research. I took that from your favourite, Glady's herself, from her morning press conference.

Read this and educate yourself. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/28/the-delta-variant-has-rebooted-covid-so-australia-must-reboot-its-strategy

Your incompetent attitude is the type that lead to massive death toll in the US.

Imcompetent attitude ?...Im vaccinated, are you ?

Quote from: Trevor on June 29, 2021, 12:15:45 PM
I hope they make the fine stand - bloody idiots

$200 dollars.....I think it's a non issue....unless you are a lefty

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 29, 2021, 01:29:56 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 28, 2021, 10:29:53 PM
Unlike you. I actually do research. I took that from your favourite, Glady's herself, from her morning press conference.

Read this and educate yourself. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/28/the-delta-variant-has-rebooted-covid-so-australia-must-reboot-its-strategy

Your incompetent attitude is the type that lead to massive death toll in the US.

Imcompetent attitude ?...Im vaccinated, are you ?

If you're vaccinated then you're aware of the importance of being vaccinated.  Why then would you be confused as to why lockdowns are being enforced knowing that less than 5% of the population are protected, in particular the minority of people over 60 having received their required 2 doses?

because 1 in 1million people in australia currently have the disease, yet the country is on lock down ?...90odd% of old age facilites are now vaccinated
1 person out of 25million is in ICU ... yet our country is locked down
take safe steps ?...totally....close the borders ?...dumb

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 29, 2021, 02:28:25 PM
because 1 in 1million people in australia currently have the disease, yet the country is on lock down ?...90odd% of old age facilites are now vaccinated
1 person out of 25million is in ICU ... yet our country is locked down
take safe steps ?...totally....close the borders ?...dumb

Don't you think the reason only 1 person is in ICU is because we go into lockdowns to reduce the spread?  Only a hundred or so are infected, so of course the number of people gravely ill will be low.  What happens when we don't lock down and tens of thousands contract it?  Obviously the amount of people in hospital will then increase.

Old age homes only account for a small percentage of the high risk population, many more do not live in old age homes and hundreds of thousands more are in the high risk age brackets 60+ years old.

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 29, 2021, 02:39:34 PM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 29, 2021, 02:28:25 PM
because 1 in 1million people in australia currently have the disease, yet the country is on lock down ?...90odd% of old age facilites are now vaccinated
1 person out of 25million is in ICU ... yet our country is locked down
take safe steps ?...totally....close the borders ?...dumb

Don't you think the reason only 1 person is in ICU is because we go into lockdowns to reduce the spread?  Only a hundred or so are infected, so of course the number of people gravely ill will be low.  What happens when we don't lock down and tens of thousands contract it?  Obviously the amount of people in hospital will then increase.

Old age homes only account for a small percentage of the high risk population, many more do not live in old age homes and hundreds of thousands more are in the high risk age brackets 60+ years old.

ok so, we should blanket ban motorcycles as their death/injury rate is way higher than COVID ??....as i said, safe steps all good..get vaccinated, but dont kill off buisness out of fear

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/sa-health-urges-coronavirus-vaccine-uptake-to-stave-off-lockdown/100252086

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 29, 2021, 03:12:25 PM

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 29, 2021, 02:39:34 PM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 29, 2021, 02:28:25 PM
because 1 in 1million people in australia currently have the disease, yet the country is on lock down ?...90odd% of old age facilites are now vaccinated
1 person out of 25million is in ICU ... yet our country is locked down
take safe steps ?...totally....close the borders ?...dumb

Don't you think the reason only 1 person is in ICU is because we go into lockdowns to reduce the spread?  Only a hundred or so are infected, so of course the number of people gravely ill will be low.  What happens when we don't lock down and tens of thousands contract it?  Obviously the amount of people in hospital will then increase.

Old age homes only account for a small percentage of the high risk population, many more do not live in old age homes and hundreds of thousands more are in the high risk age brackets 60+ years old.

ok so, we should blanket ban motorcycles as their death/injury rate is way higher than COVID ??....as i said, safe steps all good..get vaccinated, but dont kill off buisness out of fear

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/sa-health-urges-coronavirus-vaccine-uptake-to-stave-off-lockdown/100252086

Your motorcycle example is irrelevant to the logic at hand here as people choose to take the risk to ride them.  People do not choose to catch Covid, thus the lockdowns to prevent a major outbreak.

It's tough on businesses yes, however many people would prefer that to their loved ones dying and many would die in a full blown outbreak, as we've seen in many countries overseas.

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 29, 2021, 03:29:43 PM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 29, 2021, 03:12:25 PM

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 29, 2021, 02:39:34 PM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 29, 2021, 02:28:25 PM
because 1 in 1million people in australia currently have the disease, yet the country is on lock down ?...90odd% of old age facilites are now vaccinated
1 person out of 25million is in ICU ... yet our country is locked down
take safe steps ?...totally....close the borders ?...dumb

Don't you think the reason only 1 person is in ICU is because we go into lockdowns to reduce the spread?  Only a hundred or so are infected, so of course the number of people gravely ill will be low.  What happens when we don't lock down and tens of thousands contract it?  Obviously the amount of people in hospital will then increase.

Old age homes only account for a small percentage of the high risk population, many more do not live in old age homes and hundreds of thousands more are in the high risk age brackets 60+ years old.

ok so, we should blanket ban motorcycles as their death/injury rate is way higher than COVID ??....as i said, safe steps all good..get vaccinated, but dont kill off buisness out of fear

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/sa-health-urges-coronavirus-vaccine-uptake-to-stave-off-lockdown/100252086

Your motorcycle example is irrelevant to the logic at hand here.

It's tough on businesses yes, however many people would prefer that to their loved ones dying and many would die in a full blown outbreak, as we've seen in many countries overseas.

i respect your opinion...but disagree

Australia stole Phar Lap, Pavlova, etc, but it appears we got back at you by stealing your label as the lucky country.

I'm amazed that no one in NZ has tested positive after an infectious Australian visited Wellington. While it seems that in Australia the virus loves you.

By the way, the last stats I saw showed that while Australia had a smaller percentage of population fully vaccinated, it had a higher proportion than NZ with one dose suggesting you've been vaccinating at a higher rate recently. You may overtake us soon in the fully vaccinated stats.

Quote from: djr18fan on June 29, 2021, 04:04:49 PM
Australia stole Phar Lap, Pavlova, etc, but it appears we got back at you by stealing your label as the lucky country.

I'm amazed that no one in NZ has tested positive after an infectious Australian visited Wellington. While it seems that in Australia the virus loves you.

By the way, the last stats I saw showed that while Australia had a smaller percentage of population fully vaccinated, it had a higher proportion than NZ with one dose suggesting you've been vaccinating at a higher rate recently. You may overtake us soon in the fully vaccinated stats.

we also have the highest number of Kiwis living here :)

I was meant to be flying to Melbourne today, to meet our first grandchild, but sindy decided to pull the pin until 11.30 tonight so that stuffed that  :'(

I don't know why you are bothering to argue with him, he will NEVER concede so you will never win. He will just some other irrelevant bull-**** into the argument.

Who ever told him about this new forum needs a kick in the arse IMHO

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 29, 2021, 01:29:56 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 28, 2021, 10:29:53 PM
Unlike you. I actually do research. I took that from your favourite, Glady's herself, from her morning press conference.

Read this and educate yourself. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/28/the-delta-variant-has-rebooted-covid-so-australia-must-reboot-its-strategy

Your incompetent attitude is the type that lead to massive death toll in the US.

Imcompetent attitude ?...Im vaccinated, are you ?

Yep, incompetent attitude. It is oblivious to you through your posts how hopelessly out of touch with the pandemic you are. It's people like you that spread lies and disinformation about the situation. It's why we have lockdowns because people listen to the kind of tripe you peddle. Instead of trusting the experts. For example. You stated there is one in one million cases. There are 295 active cases, rising around 30 cases a day for the last week. Your bull**** has been debunked....And you said you learn from our "discussions"...LOL!!

I will be vaccinated. I saw my GP and for medical reasons he advised I take the Pfizer. Thanks to your MIA hero Morrison, there is a long waiting list as there is no supply of Pfizer or AZ in my area.

You love youtube clips... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3cPjWx603I

Quote from: AlbertM on June 29, 2021, 06:23:41 PM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 29, 2021, 01:29:56 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 28, 2021, 10:29:53 PM
Unlike you. I actually do research. I took that from your favourite, Glady's herself, from her morning press conference.

Read this and educate yourself. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/28/the-delta-variant-has-rebooted-covid-so-australia-must-reboot-its-strategy

Your incompetent attitude is the type that lead to massive death toll in the US.

Imcompetent attitude ?...Im vaccinated, are you ?

Yep, incompetent attitude. It is oblivious to you through your posts how hopelessly out of touch with the pandemic you are. It's people like you that spread lies and disinformation about the situation. It's why we have lockdowns because people listen to the kind of tripe you peddle. Instead of trusting the experts. For example. You stated there is one in one million cases. There are 295 active cases, rising around 30 cases a day for the last week. Your bull**** has been debunked....And you said you learn from our "discussions"...LOL!!

I will be vaccinated. I saw my GP and for medical reasons he advised I take the Pfizer. Thanks to your MIA hero Morrison, there is a long waiting list where I live.

That was an interesting little rant alby :)
So you would you have been happier for Scotty to have everyone vaccinated with a vaccine that wasn't yet proven ?....don't think so
That's why as he said and your little green mate Albo agreed to wait a little bit as we wernt/aren't in a desperate position like the rest of world .... thanks to scomo
Imagine is dictator Dan had a grasp on quarantine how much further down the track we would be ??

Morrison rejected Pfizer's offer of unlimited quantities when approved for use. Had nothing to do with Albo. (Albo's not a Green either but when have facts mattered to you).  You were obviously happy to take the "unproven" vaccine.

You are aware that NSW's latest outbreak is from a quarantine breach? And the cases already exceed Vic last outbreak.

Might help the conversation if you stop making stuff up.

Quote from: AlbertM on June 29, 2021, 06:53:39 PM
Morrison rejected Pfizer's offer of unlimited quantities when approved for use. Had nothing to do with Albo. (Albo's not a Green either but when have facts mattered to you).  You were obviously happy to take the "unproven" vaccine.

You are aware that NSW's latest outbreak is from a quarantine breach? And the cases already exceed Vic last outbreak.

Might help the conversation if stop making stuff up.

Ok champion.... You can believe the Henny Penny crap or the obvious facts :)
Doesn't bother me at all....I'm vaccinated from the nasty flu I'm good

Yeah it does. Otherwise you wouldn't be here on page 11.

Quote from: AlbertM on June 29, 2021, 07:16:17 PM
Yeah it does. Otherwise you wouldn't be here on page 11.

Ha good point......at least with all these lock downs your beloved hope of a socialist nation is looking good :)

I don't believe taking steps to prevent an uncontrollable outbreak that will kill people is a strictly socialist idea personally.  If we're not willing to take steps to reduce the chances our friends and families getting gravely ill or worse then we're nothing as a species.

Yep, it's heading that way under LNP governments lead by Scotty from marketing.

You rip on Dan when he locked down Vic for 20,000 cases of Covid. You support the LNP for locking down of...what did you say...1 in 1 million?

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 29, 2021, 11:59:14 AM

Quote from: Trevor on June 29, 2021, 09:06:41 AM
PM & NSW Premier bag out Victoria for their lock-downs - zero cases in Victoria for the last 3 days

NSW doesn't do lock-down and as a result infects every State except Victoria, Tasmaina and S.A. - who is the smartest Government - Not NSW that's for sure

Barnaby leading by example.  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/barnaby-joyce-fined-for-not-wearing-mask-in-nsw-covid-19-breach/100251944

Rules for thee and rules for me.

Nothing to do with rules for thee and me.
It's very easy to forget to put a mask on and somewhere like a fuel station.
I've done it and so have many people I know.
We've only had to wear masks for a 2 week period so it is not the norm for us.

Scotty from marketing is really looking out for us.   Making dodgy policy on the run without expert input  ::)

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/29/some-gps-refuse-to-give-astrazeneca-jab-to-young-australians-eager-to-get-covid-vaccine

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 29, 2021, 03:29:43 PM

Quote from: Trickyonne on June 29, 2021, 03:12:25 PM
ok so, we should blanket ban motorcycles as their death/injury rate is way higher than COVID ??....as i said, safe steps all good..get vaccinated, but dont kill off buisness out of fear

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/sa-health-urges-coronavirus-vaccine-uptake-to-stave-off-lockdown/100252086

Your motorcycle example is irrelevant to the logic at hand here as people choose to take the risk to ride them.  People do not choose to catch Covid, thus the lockdowns to prevent a major outbreak.

It was a hilariously bad example, but not totally irrelevant. A lockdown is like banning motorcycles ...from the footpath or from doing Autobahn speeds through town centres, where they put the general population at significant risk.

Quote from: AlbertM on June 29, 2021, 09:16:36 PM
Scotty from marketing is really looking out for us.   Making dodgy policy on the run without expert input  ::)

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/29/some-gps-refuse-to-give-astrazeneca-jab-to-young-australians-eager-to-get-covid-vaccine

one man show apparently. Ol' Scottty must be suffering cabin fever like we did last year  ;D ;D

This Government just goes from one disaster to another, even his best spokesperson has turned on him.  Glady has been a bit critical of the Feds lately

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 29, 2021, 07:28:52 PM
I don't believe taking steps to prevent an uncontrollable outbreak that will kill people is a strictly socialist idea personally.  If we're not willing to take steps to reduce the chances our friends and families getting gravely ill or worse then we're nothing as a species.

I assume you are responding to that person from S.A.  I don't know why people keep engaging with him, he is just a troll in sheeps clothing, whoever told him about this forum needs a kick in the arse  I have him blocked, it is great

Interesting that anyone could be so minuscule in their thinking. So every Government across the whole world is hoping to turn their country socialist, whether they be right of left or even a dictatorship - what a ****ing stupid thing to say.  So, every Government across the world is on the same page - that is so ridiculous it bears even talking about

Quote from: Trevor on June 30, 2021, 04:48:56 AM

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 29, 2021, 07:28:52 PM
I don't believe taking steps to prevent an uncontrollable outbreak that will kill people is a strictly socialist idea personally.  If we're not willing to take steps to reduce the chances our friends and families getting gravely ill or worse then we're nothing as a species.

I assume you are responding to that person from S.A.  I don't know why people keep engaging with him, he is just a troll in sheeps clothing, whoever told him about this forum needs a kick in the arse  I have him blocked, it is great

Interesting that anyone could be so minuscule in their thinking. So every Government across the whole world is hoping to turn their country socialist, whether they be right of left or even a dictatorship - what a ****ing stupid thing to say.  So, every Government across the world is on the same page - that is so ridiculous it bears even talking about

your bullying doesnt work little fella ... bout time you threaten to quit again again int it ?

2 things here...

1. keep the talk civil please.

2. Not every government wants to turn us into socialists ... just New Zealands. Lol

Quote from: vipernz on June 30, 2021, 02:38:00 PM
2 things here...

1. keep the talk civil please.

2. Not every government wants to turn us into socialists ... just New Zealands. Lol

Yep, things will be very civil from me from now on  ???  8)

Yeah, your Gvmt is pretty Left, even for me  ;D ;D

Does give an explanation why Scotty from marketing rejected Pfizer's offer and pushing AZ hard.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/08/good-grief-morrisons-vaccine-an-inside-job/

wow, that is an interesting read  :o

I would have been surprised if it wasn't the case.  Surely no-one has forgotten the 500m Great Barrier Reef grant?

Quote from: vipernz on June 30, 2021, 02:38:00 PM
2 things here...

1. keep the talk civil please.

2. Not every government wants to turn us into socialists ... just New Zealands. Lol

This I agree with. Sindy is the laughing stock of thinking people in New Zealand.

Only think I can think of that sindy has done right, and that is give the 850,000 doses of astrazeneca that New Zealand had, to the islands. Only Pfizer available here, which is the one I received. So fashfb nokjusdcj sidhjqwbelrhfb e;kfdijasdij

I didn't realise that Ryan Walkinshaw had got COVID, and ended up in hospital earlier in the year. Spoke about it on the Bellow The Bonnet podcast.

Quote from: Trevor on June 30, 2021, 04:48:56 AM

Quote from: Ospif1 on June 29, 2021, 07:28:52 PM
I don't believe taking steps to prevent an uncontrollable outbreak that will kill people is a strictly socialist idea personally.  If we're not willing to take steps to reduce the chances our friends and families getting gravely ill or worse then we're nothing as a species.

I assume you are responding to that person from S.A.  I don't know why people keep engaging with him, he is just a troll in sheeps clothing, whoever told him about this forum needs a kick in the arse  I have him blocked, it is great

Interesting that anyone could be so minuscule in their thinking. So every Government across the whole world is hoping to turn their country socialist, whether they be right of left or even a dictatorship - what a ****ing stupid thing to say.  So, every Government across the world is on the same page - that is so ridiculous it bears even talking about

Nothing wrong with him! You have a history of attacking anyone with a different view which is probably the reason you feel trolled. Your post is just as pathetic as you claim his to be.


First jab done and dusted and once the second is complete will I be exempt from participating in mask wearing and lockdowns?

Quote from: Troy01505 on June 30, 2021, 10:47:22 PM
Nothing wrong with him! You have a history of attacking anyone with a different view which is probably the reason you feel trolled. Your post is just as pathetic as you claim his to be.


First jab done and dusted and once the second is complete will I be exempt from participating in mask wearing and lockdowns?

I have a history of attacking people who are belligerent and who post purely for reaction.  I have very little patience for people who can't debate rationally.

If you care to go back over my history of posting on V8Central and other forums it is always the same - I have never changed

I will debate with rational logical people to the cows come home, but people who just want to make mischief will feel the full force - and Trickyonne is one of those

and I am not alone - I know of a number of members who were on the old site but won't post or join this site while T1 is posting here




]that is the great Furphy of all this.  I am happy to do what ever it takes to save peoples lives, but all these lockdowns . . . . . . . . . . .the last COVID related death was  the 28th of October 2020

even some of the medical professionals are starting to contradict each other

What hope do we have of getting the REAL truth

I am not and I repeat NOT a conspiracy theorist, but I am starting to have some doubts about the garbage being fed to us

You have to wonder when you see stuff like this - https://caldronpool.com/covid-19-the...ters-bookcase/

Quote"This is the purpose of the book: to shake up and to show the deficiencies which were manifest in our global system, even before COVID broke out,"
Quote:

QuoteIn recent weeks, a number of world leaders have echoed Schwab's sentiments. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the "pandemic has provided an opportunity for a reset." UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the pandemic will be used to trigger an "acceleration of social and economic change." While Prince Charles described the pandemic as a "golden opportunity" to "reset ourselves."

Quote from: Trevor on July 01, 2021, 05:41:44 AM
the last COVID related death was  the 28th of October 2020

sorry I made a mistake, an unwell 80yo died on April 13 2021 either with or of COVID - no-one call tell me if all the deaths are of or with

Wow. Are we allowed to be critical yet? Would love to be a fly on the wall at national cabinet this week

Thousands enter Australia for 'holidays and business' as wait drags for stranded locals
https://www.theage.com.au/national/t...30-p585pd.html

"More than 10,000 travellers entered Australia to visit friends, go on holiday or for business trips in April..........The data does not include travellers entering under the travel bubble with New Zealand."

But from the ABS site, which kind of doesn't match the numbers being mentioned above. NZ numbers are expected.
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/in...latest-release

Source countries (short term arrivals)
The three leading source countries where visitors came from were:

New Zealand (16,320 trips)
The USA (880)
The UK (660).

Quote from: Trevor on July 01, 2021, 07:08:33 AM

I am not and I repeat NOT a conspiracy theorist, but I am starting to have some doubts about the garbage being fed to us

An actual conspiracy theorist would believe and say the same thing.

No, a COVID conspiracy theorist would have you believe that the Rothschilds, Murdochs, Gates are doing all this to control the flow of money around the world, and all world leaders are just puppets of these very clever puppeteers and that Dan Andrews is a communists trying o take control of the State of Victoria

I am a member of a couple of American forums and I can tell you I am NOT a conspiracy theorist based on what I read on those pages

Back on Covid...

I just wish all the states, territories and Federal Gov't would get on the same page and work together.

Morrison telling everyone that AZ can be given to younger people, the Qld Health boss saying she doesn't want an 18 year old getting complications and possibly dying (apparently it's ok for the over 50s to die from it). Palazcuk blaming the Federal Gov't for placing a 'not likely to get it' in a room between 2 highly contagious cases and of course he got it (the Qld Gov't did that); Glady's blaming the Feds for her stuff ups etc, etc, etc...

We won't make much progress until they all stop bitching and work together to get us vaccinated and keep this thing in check.

I agree LG, but this division has occurred due to the lack of leadership in the early stage by the Feds, this has allowed the States headway to do what they think is right

The Federal Government is like an elephant on mandrax

It matters not who stuffed up first, they have to get on the same page and do it quickly.

No matter what the pollies do, good or bad, it seems the public can't get it right. I heard our local shopping centre was quite busy today, and half the shops are open. Seriously, is the Reject Shop essential?

The pictures on news sites of people flocking to the beach in SEQ during lockdown astounds me. It's not even a nice day!

I'm due for my first Pfizer jab next week, booked in through the system, but now the state might not have stock. It seems doing the right thing is pretty optional. 

Quote from: LG on July 01, 2021, 11:17:14 AM
(apparently it's ok for the over 50s to die from it).

It's because the chances of becoming gravely ill or dying from covid are significantly higher than the chance of complications from the vaccine if you're older.

The risk of Thrombosis from the AZ jab is approx 3 per 100,000, or 0.003%.  Australia's Crude Case Fatality Rate for Covid is 3.1% (majority in ages above 50), or 1000x higher.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/is-it-true/is-it-true-does-the-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-cause-blood-clots
https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cdna-song-novel-coronavirus.htm

Quote from: LG on July 01, 2021, 11:17:14 AM
Back on Covid...

I just wish all the states, territories and Federal Gov't would get on the same page and work together.

Morrison telling everyone that AZ can be given to younger people, the Qld Health boss saying she doesn't want an 18 year old getting complications and possibly dying (apparently it's ok for the over 50s to die from it). Palazcuk blaming the Federal Gov't for placing a 'not likely to get it' in a room between 2 highly contagious cases and of course he got it (the Qld Gov't did that); Glady's blaming the Feds for her stuff ups etc, etc, etc...

We won't make much progress until they all stop bitching and work together to get us vaccinated and keep this thing in check.

Sadly it is what our political system has descended in to.

Australia is lucky that we have so much space it has inhibited the spread. It gave us a great initial response and bought us time. Time that is now been squandered. 

Quote from: AlbertM on July 01, 2021, 05:56:28 PM

Quote from: LG on July 01, 2021, 11:17:14 AM
Back on Covid...

I just wish all the states, territories and Federal Gov't would get on the same page and work together.

Morrison telling everyone that AZ can be given to younger people, the Qld Health boss saying she doesn't want an 18 year old getting complications and possibly dying (apparently it's ok for the over 50s to die from it). Palazcuk blaming the Federal Gov't for placing a 'not likely to get it' in a room between 2 highly contagious cases and of course he got it (the Qld Gov't did that); Glady's blaming the Feds for her stuff ups etc, etc, etc...

We won't make much progress until they all stop bitching and work together to get us vaccinated and keep this thing in check.

Sadly it is what our political system has descended in to.

Australia is lucky that we have so much space it has inhibited the spread. It gave us a great initial response and bought us time. Time that is now been squandered.

Sydney has more people per square km than most US cities.
Having a large land area means nothing when most people live in a small part of it.

Social distancing and lockdowns inhibited the spread.

No US city is as big as Sydney. The largest, Jacksonville 2,265Km v's 12,368Km.

Sydney's population density is 430 people/km Top 133 cities in the US are 1000+ people/km

You are right social distancing and lockdowns inhibit the spread. Our distance between towns and cities certainly helps and why our lockdown are effective.

Quote from: AlbertM on July 01, 2021, 08:27:07 PM
No US city is as big as Sydney. The largest, Jacksonville 2,265Km v's 12,368Km.

Sydney's population density is 430 people/km Top 133 cities in the US are 1000+ people/km

You are right social distancing and lockdowns inhibit the spread. Our distance between towns and cities certainly helps and why our lockdown are effective.

My sources have Sydney at 2000 people per km2. Perhaps it depends on the definition of a city area / boundary.
I don't think distances between cities matters much, if at all. Even distances between countries. Planes.

Lockdowns. Including border controls. Quarantining the sick has been the proven method to deal with diseases for centuries.

Just got my weekly phone call from my GP as I am on meds that are only available under strict guidelines.
She said they now have AZ.
Previously I would have had a 2-3 month wait and a nearly 200km round trip to access any.
I don't believe the governments have even thought about the difficulties in getting vaccinated for country folk, unless you live in a big country town.
Anyhow, I'm going in shortly to make appointments for my wife and me.

Hope it goes well for you, U was a bit crook for a couple of days after the first shot, I am due for the 2nd early August- wife has had both AZ shots with very little side affects, nothing from the 2nd shot

Quote from: djr18fan on July 02, 2021, 04:34:19 AM


My sources have Sydney at 2000 people per km2. Perhaps it depends on the definition of a city area / boundary.
I don't think distances between cities matters much, if at all. Even distances between countries. Planes.

Lockdowns. Including border controls. Quarantining the sick has been the proven method to deal with diseases for centuries.

At 2000, still puts Sydney outside of most US cities.

Quote from: AlbertM on July 02, 2021, 09:37:22 AM

Quote from: djr18fan on July 02, 2021, 04:34:19 AM


My sources have Sydney at 2000 people per km2. Perhaps it depends on the definition of a city area / boundary.
I don't think distances between cities matters much, if at all. Even distances between countries. Planes.

Lockdowns. Including border controls. Quarantining the sick has been the proven method to deal with diseases for centuries.

At 2000, still puts Sydney outside of most US cities.

Not according to the table on this website https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/population-density-by-city?tab=table

But it wouldn't make a big difference if it's 500 or 5000 in a large city. Other factors such as mobility, workplaces & leaning regimes are probably more important.

I had slight swelling at the injection site for first jab. Nothing for the second. No other side effects.

Quote from: Trevor on July 02, 2021, 09:31:55 AM
Hope it goes well for you, U was a bit crook for a couple of days after the first shot, I am due for the 2nd early August- wife has had both AZ shots with very little side affects, nothing from the 2nd shot

Got in on July 16. They're only doing certain times and days as it's a small practice and an influx of 10 people at once could make things tricky.
I'm hoping I don't have any reactions as I have to present a full day's conference the next day.

Quote from: LG on July 02, 2021, 10:52:05 AM

Quote from: Trevor on July 02, 2021, 09:31:55 AM
Hope it goes well for you, U was a bit crook for a couple of days after the first shot, I am due for the 2nd early August- wife has had both AZ shots with very little side affects, nothing from the 2nd shot

Got in on July 16. They're only doing certain times and days as it's a small practice and an influx of 10 people at once could make things tricky.
I'm hoping I don't have any reactions as I have to present a full day's conference the next day.

That's risky.  Both my parents got the AZ vaccine and had flu like symptoms the following day.  Were back normal after that though.

Quote from: LG on July 02, 2021, 10:52:05 AM
Got in on July 16. They're only doing certain times and days as it's a small practice and an influx of 10 people at once could make things tricky.
I'm hoping I don't have any reactions as I have to present a full day's conference the next day.

I would have been able to work the next day, but felt like ****, I got the shot on a Friday, so had the weekend to recover

One of our close friends had the shot with no after effects at all, many have had very small side effects

[quote author=djr18fan link=topic=22.msg1160#msg1160 date=1625185663

Not according to the table on this website https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/population-density-by-city?tab=table

But it wouldn't make a big difference if it's 500 or 5000 in a large city. Other factors such as mobility, workplaces & leaning regimes are probably more important.
[/quote]

Yeah, your source is a bit outta-whack. There is no way Sydney is more densely populated than NYC. Someone has taken Greater Sydney's population but use the area of the City of Sydney (2,100Km2-ish)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population_density

Space does help. That is the whole point of distancing, yes? During the pandemic people are less likely to make the effort to travel for trivial reasons.

Here it is Morrisons plan to get us out of the ****. Now if only we had vaccines widely available instead of waiting 3-4 months for new supplies. Stage one is going to last 12months before we have enough vaccinated before moving to stage 2. That is providing the Fed actually acts on this plan.  And the States are going to throw this plan in the bin if covid case run out of control.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5Q-8ygUYAAucKO?format=jpg&name=medium)

Quote from: AlbertM on July 02, 2021, 04:05:50 PM
[quote author=djr18fan link=topic=22.msg1160#msg1160 date=1625185663

Not according to the table on this website https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/population-density-by-city?tab=table

But it wouldn't make a big difference if it's 500 or 5000 in a large city. Other factors such as mobility, workplaces & leaning regimes are probably more important.

Yeah, your source is a bit outta-whack. There is no way Sydney is more densely populated than NYC. Someone has taken Greater Sydney's population but use the area of the City of Sydney (2,100Km2-ish)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population_density

Space does help. That is the whole point of distancing, yes? During the pandemic people are less likely to make the effort to travel for trivial reasons.
[/quote]

As I said, not much difference.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_in_Australia

Travel for trivial reasons may reduce. But travel for work, shopping is still necessary. No matter how spread apart people may live, I they travel (walk, bus,train,fly whatever) past each other, the virus spreads amongst the whole population just as easily.

Quote from: Trevor on July 01, 2021, 11:08:43 AM
Dan Andrews is a communist

Well, at least you got this right, he's up there with cindy on this side of the Tasman

Quote from: djr18fan on July 02, 2021, 06:27:22 PM

As I said, not much difference.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_in_Australia

Travel for trivial reasons may reduce. But travel for work, shopping is still necessary. No matter how spread apart people may live, I they travel (walk, bus,train,fly whatever) past each other, the virus spreads amongst the whole population just as easily.

The difference is our cases are well below that of those in the US. 

Sydney has been cheating on population for years apparently as for population purposes they've been including Wollongong & Newcastle in their stats massively increasing the numbers, if we Vics included Geelong, Ballarat & Bendigo we'd have been a highest population centre years ago.

Anyway, I note the fuss about the Vic Gov declaring the border (River Murray) region of NSW an Orange Zone.

Not a biggie really,  I was up in Maitland (NSW) last weekend and flew back in direct from Newcastle on Sunday night and that was from an Orange zone.  All I had to do was get a Covid test on Monday and isolate for the day (I can work from home most days if I choose to) as the result came through as "Nothing Found" via SMS at 6:15am on Tuesday I could go to work as per normal that day.

The nothing found is interesting as because they stick the cotton wool bud so far up your nose is that no virus or no brain found ??

Things are not going well for Aunty Glad at the moment - there is an old saying Aunty - 'people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'

Some stats from yesterday that are not being made too public

• 40 people in hospital
  11 in ICU
  5 on ventilators

and the media are finally trying to get ScoMo more accountable, it was good to see they are starting to ask him the hard questions, particularly around the reason why NSW is getting priority vaccines

Quote from: Trevor on July 09, 2021, 10:48:44 AM
Things are not going well for Aunty Glad at the moment - there is an old saying Aunty - 'people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'

Some stats from yesterday that are not being made too public

• 40 people in hospital
  11 in ICU
  5 on ventilators

and the media are finally trying to get ScoMo more accountable, it was good to see they are starting to ask him the hard questions, particularly around the reason why NSW is getting priority vaccines

They are prioritising the state with the biggest problem, a few months back Vic was priority because it was the biggest problem.

Pity Morrison didn't prioritise the vaccines 4 months ago. Morrison gaslit us saying he's done a deal to ramp up the Pfizer vaccine only for Pfizer to come out and say it's been the same deal all along.

Remember that "accident at St Joes? 160 kids got the Pfizer shot they were not eligible for. Funny, it is required for parental permission to administer vaccine to under 18's. How could NSW Health stuff up so bad and no one worried, no outcry from parents... Is it a coincidence that several LNP MPs are alumni?

Quote from: Troy01505 on July 09, 2021, 10:30:45 PM
They are prioritising the state with the biggest problem, a few months back Vic was priority because it was the biggest problem.

Victoria has got bugger all expecting a bagging by Aunty Glad and ScoMo

everyone knows he needs NSW to win the next election, that is why he has been crowing on for 18 months about what a great job NSW is doing, how they are gold standard etc

what I have learnt in the last few weeks is that she has NOT learnt from others mistakes, she is making them all over again, the same mistake she made with the Ruby Princess - she is a liability

Don't be fooled. She knows exactly what she is doing.

With all this occuring I'm surprised we haven't received advice from our resident covid expert to let us know the lockdown is still a terrible idea.

Victoria's 5th lockdown starts tonight for 5 days. I wish the NSW premier had the courage to do the same 5 weeks ago. NSW will likely pass 1000 cases this weekend in this wave.

I wish Dan shut the border 3 weeks ago

I had my first Covid shot today as planned.
All good so far.
Still standing   ;D ;D

Well no symptoms didn't last long.
Vomiting all night, hot and cold fevers, shakes, chills and not one wink of sleep.
Feel like absolute crap today - aches and pains, headache...

Quote from: LG on July 17, 2021, 02:03:30 PM
Well no symptoms didn't last long.
Vomiting all night, hot and cold fevers, shakes, chills and not one wink of sleep.
Feel like absolute crap today - aches and pains, headache...

Take a seat on the couch and enjoy the racing, LG.
Your boys are doing well!

Quote from: LG on July 17, 2021, 02:03:30 PM
Well no symptoms didn't last long.
Vomiting all night, hot and cold fevers, shakes, chills and not one wink of sleep.
Feel like absolute crap today - aches and pains, headache...

I fetl crook the day after, and the half crook the day after that.  I didn't spew though, just felt ****

It is good the see NSW is doing ****-all to stop the spread of the COVID - they should charge her and her Government

I read this morning that 4 removalists left one of the locked down LGA's for Western NSW and 3 of them had had the test and had tested positive - JAIL THEM

Quote from: Trevor on July 18, 2021, 04:32:49 AM
It is good the see NSW is doing ****-all to stop the spread of the COVID - they should charge her and her Government

I read this morning that 4 removalists left one of the locked down LGA's for Western NSW and 3 of them had had the test and had tested positive - JAIL THEM

I read where WA had jailed a couple of people for serious offenses.

Unfortunately it is a few different  nationalities and immigrants that are continuously breaching restrictions, maybe we should deport the non citizens with numerous breaches just like we do for other criminals.

The NSW police chief deputy or something was just saying they will be charged on summons to appear in court, $11,000 fine and up to 6 months jail. Jail time should get them deported

They'll only be fined. A conviction will highlight Binchickens failures.

We've now had a pet food delivery truck through Bathurst, Blayney and Parkes. Every day for four days before testing picked him up.

Only a matter of time before the outbreak spreads to QLD and our Premier is reluctant to shut the damn border.  This is quickly getting out of control and all because Glady's wanted to save face and not lock down earlier.

Quote from: Ospif1 on July 18, 2021, 08:24:04 PM
This is quickly getting out of control and all because Glady's wanted to save face and not lock down earlier.

that is so true

https://youtu.be/gE0Xf3cHJ58

You know he's on to something when he is being sued for it. LOL!

very good and very true

Lockdowns continue thanks to more government **** ups, both parties are as dopey as each other

I seriously don't know what Gladys and Co are thinking, their (in)actions have made sure the whole country is ****ing infected.  Dan for all his faults tried to contain it to Melbourne last year - NSW have just let it run rampant

I am slighty convinced it was a deliberately move driven by ScoMo and Co to build herd immunity, like King Boris of England is trying to do.  ScoMo was a fan of the herd immunity thing last year when it all started but got howled down and forced publicly and within his party to do more so that was when ScoMo & C changed focus from financial to health.

The skeptic in me is thinking that this drive to vaccinate is driven by the money overlords of the world and big Pharma

This said it all about Gladys - she doesn't even believe in her own rules:
(https://i.postimg.cc/7hhFfTPG/318598784ae20a8280e65e0d472cd08f.webp)

Nothing so sinister. That would require intelligence and cunning to hatch such a plan.  Barelychicklinen, shot her mouth off as NSW did so well last year and Qld locked NSW out. The delay in responding to this latest wave was an attempt to save face. And encouraged by Scummo so his botched vaccine stroll out wouldn't be so obvious. Alas... it got away on them.  Purely ego driven.

If it was an attempt at heard immunity there would be no hard lockdowns, even now.

Like sports rorts, carpark rorts...The average Aussie is paying for it.

Just had my first jab

Still breathing atm.

Quote from: madbugger on July 21, 2021, 06:42:59 PM
Just had my first jab

Still breathing atm.

That's what I said last Friday.
Wait for it...    ;D ;D

Quote from: LG on July 21, 2021, 07:46:20 PM

Quote from: madbugger on July 21, 2021, 06:42:59 PM
Just had my first jab

Still breathing atm.

That's what I said last Friday.
Wait for it...    ;D ;D

Starting to throb a bit and headache coming on, hopefully I will sleep it off

Quote from: madbugger on July 21, 2021, 06:42:59 PM
Just had my first jab

Still breathing atm.

if it was AZ, as was said "wait for it"

Quote from: Trevor on July 22, 2021, 06:27:23 AM

Quote from: madbugger on July 21, 2021, 06:42:59 PM
Just had my first jab

Still breathing atm.

if it was AZ, as was said "wait for it"

Na, I held out for the Pfizer

My daughter and son-in-law had the Pfizer - no side effects at all.  My wife had the AZ and had small to mild, I was rook enough to sit on the couch all day the day after.  A friend had the AZ and had nothing

Welp it's been 18months and I'm in exactly the same predicament. Can't go any where, nothing to do in my retirement village called a town. And not a shot of the Vac within 300km for me. Yay! Country life... ::)

A Qantaslink hostie who did the Brisbane/Longreach return trip has tested positive.
They say she was infected during the flight.
I certainly hope this doesn't escalate.

I head that this morning LG.  This Delta variant is a P.I.T.A.  People don't know when they have ir, 'its a pity those numb-skulls running NSW don't understand it - It is like watching a train wreck in slow motion - farken unbelievable - they learnt NOTHING from the Ruby Princess and the Victorian experience

You might have dodged a bullet LG. Those flights were over 10 days ago.

Well there goes the Aus NZ quarantine free travel bubble for a couple of months.

The PM apologising for his administrations failures with the rollout and Gladys single handedly causing a large outbreak due to not wanting her ego hurt. Two significant blunders costing lives and they'll still keep their jobs. Quite frustrating.

But Gladys only goes off the health advice. Funny how every other States health advice is to introduces lockdowns with a hand full of cases.

163 today with 90 infectious in the community. Getting to zero is going to take months, not weeks, if it even gets to zero at all. Gladys didn't even have to courage to front the press.

Scovid's "apology" is press bait. He's done nothing to rectify his and his party's failures.

Speaking of Gladys and health advice: The NSW Chief Health Officer, Dr Kerry Chant has been on call 24/7 for months and working 16-18 hour days six days a week for the past few, and AFAIK, Gladys has been doing pretty much the same. Today she had a morning off. I don't think courage, or any lack of it, had anything to do with missing one press conference.

Quote from: Zac on July 24, 2021, 11:43:41 AM
Speaking of Gladys and health advice: The NSW Chief Health Officer, Dr Kerry Chant has been on call 24/7 for months and working 16-18 hour days six days a week for the past few, and AFAIK, Gladys has been doing pretty much the same. Today she had a morning off. I don't think courage, or any lack of it, had anything to do with missing one press conference.

So they ****ing should be working them hours! They caused the problem and politicians more then enough tax payer and donation funded parties and holidays all logged as working hours!

I don't quite understand that, but what I can understand I disagree with.

For those who watched the opening ceremony of the Tokyo Olympics 2020 (held 20210):

It was very obvious that a lot of supposedly healthy and responsible athletes did not wear face masks covering their nose and mouth.  >:(

That demonstrated a lack of respect for all the people and organisations that worked so hard to provide this sporting event in a Covid era.

Maybe the organisers should review the tapes and isolate those irresponsible athletes or even send them home.

The"mob" out in force in Sydney today makes you realise why it's getting so bad down there.
I hope each and every one of them gets it.
They deserve each other.

Sydney 57 charged plus 90 infringement notices and they have a taskforce identifying more.

Labled  "Selfish Boofheads" is several publications.

In the NT the Chief Minister refers to "Melbourne Wankers".

They are handing out $5,000 fines. $1,000 elsewhere is inadequate. They should quarantine in a prison or one of the disused refugee camps.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-24/anti-covid-lockdown-protest-in-sydney-cbd/100320620

QuoteA number of Victorians who allegedly arrived in the Northern Territory illegally have been dubbed "w**kers".

Chief Minister Michael Gunner's harsh words came after six people allegedly provided false information on their Border Entry Form when they arrived in Darwin from Melbourne earlier this week.

Based on information provided to police on July 15, two men, aged 29 and 30, and four women, aged between 29 and 31, had left Victoria and travelled together into South Australia before arriving in the NT on July 20.

However, Victoria was declared a hot spot at the time which meant travellers needed to quarantine for two weeks upon arrival.

Police found the group and removed them from their Darwin accommodation on Wednesday and escorted them to the Howard Springs Quarantine Facility.

Mr Gunner said the group of six were collectively going to be fined about $30,000.

"I'm furious that six w**kers from Melbourne thought they could gamble with Territory lives for a holiday and a wedding," he said.

"Our message is simple — Don't lie. Don't come here if you've been in a hotspot. Don't put Territorians at risk."

Incident Controller Acting Commander Hege Burns said it was "absolutely unacceptable" that the group was willing to put the community at risk because of their "selfish actions".

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/nt-chief-minister-furious-over-covid19-border-breach-by-melbourne-wankers/news-story/9bd8fba65698574e02dc835aceedb552

Quote from: LG on July 24, 2021, 04:27:11 PM
The"mob" out in force in Sydney today makes you realise why it's getting so bad down there.
I hope each and every one of them gets it.
They deserve each other.

As an outsider (a real outsider) I'll play Devil's Advocate here:

To me, like here in the States, the big issue is what is the end game?  What is NSW's end game?  If you are a citizen there and got the vaccination, a.k.a. "The Magic Bullet", and let us say you will even STILL wear a mask in public, what else do you want them to do?  Now because you "obeyed" all of the rules, you are locked down with everyone else?  Well that's great.  Just great.  I am glad I went the extra yard to do this. 

You then start thinking who in charge really does have the big picture, granted it is a moving target.

So what is the end game, gents?  Zero cases - or else?  Masks forever?  The unvaccinated having to wear a scarlet letter on their lapel?  Think long term here.  I know over here in the States, very few people signed up in life here to be told what to do at this level in a free country.  I see the protestors as maybe the tip of an iceberg.

Just a third point of view from the other side of the fences.

What we see here Mike is a vocal minority **** it up for the silent majority

I am not sure anyone, except King Boris of the UK knows what the end game is, mind you the UK has had a HUGE increase in cases since the freeing up of ALL restrictions - so they don't mind if the vulnerable die, just as long as everyone else can go about their lives - nice

Quote from: Trevor on July 25, 2021, 06:02:40 AM
What we see here Mike is a vocal minority **** it up for the silent majority

I am not sure anyone, except King Boris of the UK knows what the end game is, mind you the UK has had a HUGE increase in cases since the freeing up of ALL restrictions - so they don't mind if the vulnerable die, just as long as everyone else can go about their lives - nice

I don't know where we are going, Trev, but one thing is for sure..... we are going to get there.  Good luck to all of us both here and there and everywhere else.

Quote from: mikeamerica84 on July 25, 2021, 02:43:05 AM

Quote from: LG on July 24, 2021, 04:27:11 PM
The"mob" out in force in Sydney today makes you realise why it's getting so bad down there.
I hope each and every one of them gets it.
They deserve each other.

As an outsider (a real outsider) I'll play Devil's Advocate here:

To me, like here in the States, the big issue is what is the end game?  What is NSW's end game?  If you are a citizen there and got the vaccination, a.k.a. "The Magic Bullet", and let us say you will even STILL wear a mask in public, what else do you want them to do?  Now because you "obeyed" all of the rules, you are locked down with everyone else?  Well that's great.  Just great.  I am glad I went the extra yard to do this. 

You then start thinking who in charge really does have the big picture, granted it is a moving target.

So what is the end game, gents?  Zero cases - or else?  Masks forever?  The unvaccinated having to wear a scarlet letter on their lapel?  Think long term here.  I know over here in the States, very few people signed up in life here to be told what to do at this level in a free country.  I see the protestors as maybe the tip of an iceberg.

Just a third point of view from the other side of the fences.

I think the end game is the same in every country.
Life back to how it was prior to the outbreak. Perhaps with people choosing to wear masks (just as they have already done in places with poor air quality) or some change in hygiene practices.
People adapt to illnesses. Safe sex for example.

It requires herd immunity to get to that point. Either through vaccines, or the weak dying and the stronger passing on some level of immunity to future generations.

In the meantime it's a matter of how we get there. Manage the illness until herd immunity is reached, or don't. I don't know of any country that isn't doing something, and in countries that chose to act quickly, doing so appears to have led to a better quality of life, and economy, along the way.
If the virus has not got out of control in a country, then keeping control appears to work and in my opinion is worthwhile.
But if the virus has got out of control then attempts to eradicate seem futile. But actions to limit the number of severely ill so hospitals can try to save some lives is reasonable. A high number of deaths is also bad for an economy.

Ultimately we are just managing illness & death from the virus until there is enough immunity in communities so that illness & death will be at acceptable levels. Just as we do with other illnesses or injury & death from motor vehicle accidents, firearms etc.

Well said as usual, djr.

Man...... what a balancing act.

Quote from: Zac on July 24, 2021, 11:43:41 AM
Speaking of Gladys and health advice: The NSW Chief Health Officer, Dr Kerry Chant has been on call 24/7 for months and working 16-18 hour days six days a week for the past few, and AFAIK, Gladys has been doing pretty much the same. Today she had a morning off. I don't think courage, or any lack of it, had anything to do with missing one press conference.

No, Gladys does not get a pass. She played politics and lost and does not deserve a break for this outbreak she compounded. Gladys still uses language in pressers to cover her political backside instead of being clear and precise.

Quote from: mikeamerica84 on July 25, 2021, 02:43:05 AM

Quote from: LG on July 24, 2021, 04:27:11 PM
The"mob" out in force in Sydney today makes you realise why it's getting so bad down there.
I hope each and every one of them gets it.
They deserve each other.

As an outsider (a real outsider) I'll play Devil's Advocate here:

To me, like here in the States, the big issue is what is the end game?  What is NSW's end game?  If you are a citizen there and got the vaccination, a.k.a. "The Magic Bullet", and let us say you will even STILL wear a mask in public, what else do you want them to do?  Now because you "obeyed" all of the rules, you are locked down with everyone else?  Well that's great.  Just great.  I am glad I went the extra yard to do this. 

You then start thinking who in charge really does have the big picture, granted it is a moving target.

So what is the end game, gents?  Zero cases - or else?  Masks forever?  The unvaccinated having to wear a scarlet letter on their lapel?  Think long term here.  I know over here in the States, very few people signed up in life here to be told what to do at this level in a free country.  I see the protestors as maybe the tip of an iceberg.

Just a third point of view from the other side of the fences.

There is no end game. The problem is the expectation/desire for life to return to "normal", just like it was pre pandemic. Unless the virus is completely eradicated, life will never go back to "normal".

I think the end game  is to get back to as normal as possible.
We can only do that if the great majority of the population gets immunised.
Getting to the state of vast majority being immunised is where further problems lie.
The vaccination scheme is hodge podge to say the least.
The Federal government failed to order large enough quantities of the drugs necessary.
The states have stuffed up the implementation of the immunisations.
We probably should have had a special committee of suitably qualified people tasked with getting everyone immunised.
People in the medical profession, logistics and such. Politicians should not be involved.

I have come across a number of people who are against immunisation for some very weird reasons.
I have asked each one of them the same question, "How's your polio going?"
I generally get blank looks as an answer.

When I posted earlier about the protests in Sydney, I didn't realise that similar was happening in Brisbane and Melbourne.
My hope is that each and every one of them gets a bad case of Covid as it would be interesting to see if they change their minds and start to believe in the science rather than the rubbish that spews forth from the uneducated and ill-informed.

I don't believe my hope is vindictive, it's more a case of sharing ...    ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: AlbertM on July 25, 2021, 11:49:57 AM
There is no end game. The problem is the expectation/desire for life to return to "normal", just like it was pre pandemic. Unless the virus is completely eradicated, life will never go back to "normal".

Life returned to normality after influenza pandemics despite influenza still being around and still killing hundreds of people per year. The flu mutates much more easily, so coronavirus might not be that bad in the long run. A good start would be 70% of people in a country vaccinated. The higher that figure, the less of a problem it is for us to catch the virus from infected people arriving as it won't spread/kill anything like what it does now. Restrictions should be eased, foreigners allowed back in and so on.

What could be interesting is how things play out in any areas where half the population or more refuse the vaccine.

Covid shouldn't be compared to the flu. 

I mostly agree with that blanket statement, but it doesn't address my points. Anything learned from deadly influenza pandemics is obviously useful now, for example.

Quote from: AlbertM on July 25, 2021, 11:33:22 AM

Quote from: Zac on July 24, 2021, 11:43:41 AM
Speaking of Gladys and health advice: The NSW Chief Health Officer, Dr Kerry Chant has been on call 24/7 for months and working 16-18 hour days six days a week for the past few, and AFAIK, Gladys has been doing pretty much the same. Today she had a morning off. I don't think courage, or any lack of it, had anything to do with missing one press conference.

No, Gladys does not get a pass. She played politics and lost and does not deserve a break for this outbreak she compounded. Gladys still uses language in pressers to cover her political backside instead of being clear and precise.

No 'pass' for Gladys from Albert  :-[. She even tries to cover her political backside, which is a fair point - and very un-politician like.  Daniel and Anna have been doing the same and Daniel's just returned from weeks off and Anna has been off to the Olympics. How about a morning off?  :-*

Yeah Dan and Anna are real popular. Nice try Zac. A for effort.

Quote from: Bloopy on July 25, 2021, 04:06:54 PM
I mostly agree with that blanket statement, but it doesn't address my points. Anything learned from deadly influenza pandemics is obviously useful now, for example.

Agreed that we learn from the past. The long term impact of Covid19 is largely unknown.  So far the vaccines have stayed on top of the several variants that have popped up. Experts say we need 80% vaccine rate before there will be any signs of normality. It will take years to achieve providing a new Covid variant doesn't pop up that resists the vaccine. Then we start all over again.  As I said. There is no end game. We can only fight pandemic as it comes and adapt.

I hope I'm wrong, and covid is memory sooner than later.  But what hope is there for the world when media services discourage vaccination for political gain. The whole internet full of misinformation and out right lies. Heck, our states and federal government are bickering instead of uniting to defeat Covid.

Quote from: AlbertM on July 25, 2021, 11:37:13 PM
Yeah Dan and Anna are real popular. Nice try Zac. A for effort.

Thank you. That means a lot. As for popularity, ScoMo is also popular. It's how they got their jobs.

Inspired! With obvious logic like that, you'll go far.

Here's some more. Scotty from Marketing, Josh from Accounts, Greg from the First Aid Dept and Peter from PR are all telling us that we're breaking records and up to one million jabs a week. So, let's see now: Well over 20 million to be vaccinated, two jabs each, that's errr... at the current record-breaking rate it'll take over 40 weeks to reach a good level of vaccinations. Luckily, it's not a race. Please tell me I get an A for Maths.

B-. You forgot to calculate they are 6 months behind.

Why do we have 85 million doses coming in 2023?

I can't help you there, but Albert will know.

Quote from: LG on July 26, 2021, 01:35:49 PM
Why do we have 85 million doses coming in 2023?

Apparently they're booster shots.

I do. :)  CP is correct.  They are booster shots to keep ahead for the next couple of years.

Quote from: CP on July 26, 2021, 02:27:22 PM

Quote from: LG on July 26, 2021, 01:35:49 PM
Why do we have 85 million doses coming in 2023?

Apparently they're booster shots.

nothing to worry about.... just to flatten the curve...

the gov's of the various states are so disrespected is it any wonder there is so much unrest?

Quote from: AlbertM on July 26, 2021, 02:40:11 PM
I do. :)  CP is correct.  They are booster shots to keep ahead for the next couple of years.

Well I hope we get everyone jabbed twice before we need them.

Quote from: Sonic on July 26, 2021, 02:54:59 PM
,,,

the gov's of the various states are so disrespected is it any wonder there is so much unrest?

Unfortunately opposition parties in the various states are also on the nose.

But, above all the media is also disrespected, particularly when they constantly harp and critics whoever have the unenviable job of running the state or running the country.

The noisy minorities and extremists get all the airtime, even on our ABC. Representatives of the 40% approx. moderates on the centre left and the 40% approx. on the centre right get far less airtime than their collective 80% would justify.

The Covid crisis is made a worse crisis by the constant harping and advice from such well known epidemic experts such as morning TV hosts.

Australia has fared better than most countries and the most affected areas seem to be overpopulated places.

Voters are left with the selecting the least worse option.

End of rant.  >:( ;D

well said

Quote from: stevo qld on July 26, 2021, 05:33:07 PM

Quote from: Sonic on July 26, 2021, 02:54:59 PM
,,,

the gov's of the various states are so disrespected is it any wonder there is so much unrest?

Unfortunately opposition parties in the various states are also on the nose.

But, above all the media is also disrespected, particularly when they constantly harp and critics whoever have the unenviable job of running the state or running the country.

The noisy minorities and extremists get all the airtime, even on our ABC. Representatives of the 40% approx. moderates on the centre left and the 40% approx. on the centre right get far less airtime than their collective 80% would justify.

The Covid crisis is made a worse crisis by the constant harping and advice from such well known epidemic experts such as morning TV hosts.

Australia has fared better than most countries and the most affected areas seem to be overpopulated places.

Voters are left with the selecting the least worse option.

End of rant.  >:( ;D

amen Stevo. no disagreement on that at all!

next election we get to choose between a bullet or a noose... think likely it will be that way for both State/Territory and Federal elections ... I have no idea at this point who I could even consider voting for based on how the last 16 months has panned out :(

A month of lock down yet cases are still increasing in Sydney.

VIC is easing restrictions,  QLD records Zero. Their concern is a another failure of hotel quarantine in NSW.

Seems Anna and Dan can do better when on holiday then Gladys just going for coffee.

still no visiting family at home, as homes are super-spreader locations apparently

As seen in NSW.

If you live in NSW and use Twitter, you might like the new bot we've released - https://twitter.com/cmcau_bot

One of my juniors wrote it, I just tidied up the tweet format a bit.  It runs every hour and tweets new exposure sites in NSW .... at the moment that's scary how many new sites are coming through daily :(

WOW!

This could have Supercar event ramifications.

It is hard to travel from Qld to Victoria while travelling through NSW without food. drink, sleep and bladder emptying. ;D

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/nsw-premier-to-announce-greater-sydney-lockdown-extension/100328276

Quote from: stevo qld on July 27, 2021, 11:34:14 PM
WOW!

This could have Supercar event ramifications.

It is hard to travel from Qld to Victoria while travelling through NSW without food. drink, sleep and bladder emptying. ;D

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/nsw-premier-to-announce-greater-sydney-lockdown-extension/100328276

Only Sydney is in lockdown the rest of NSW can move around the state. It's the other states border restrictions that are the going to be the issue.

You can travel Qld to Vic without going through NSW. Or team personnel can fly direct and the transporters can travel with commercial freight passes.

NSW is not restricting anyone coming in so all teams can come to Bathurst. If NSW is still grappling with covid in October it might be hard for teams to go home without quarantining.

If you missed the NSW premier explaining the new lockdown rules for Sydney LGAs

https://youtu.be/pXw7LYWNi5E

Interesting article on Qld to Vic transporter travel over 3 days.

QuoteAdhering to New South Wales COVID restrictions, the convoy was unable to stay in motels or eat at restaurants throughout their drive through the state but was able to stop at roadside rest stops as required.

Making a dining table from Tim Slade's driver lounge and using the tailgate as a rain shelter, the teams cooked up a barbecue before resting overnight in their trucks.

https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/blanchard-racing-team-co-owner-turns-rookie-transporter-driver/

Quote from: AlbertM on July 28, 2021, 11:38:22 AM
If you missed the NSW premier explaining the new lockdown rules for Sydney LGAs

She went into a lot more detail, but maybe it's me, I couldn't follow much of it at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDoQFcQEpOQ

Was incredibly surprised to hear that NSW are going to divert vaccines from the regional areas to year 12 students in Sydney. It makes no sense and is an easy way to put people offside. You are basically saying people in regional areas either don't matter or we don't care if you get sick or not.

Nothing surprises me from that Government.  They will blame the other States and Feds for 'this terrible decision we have had to do'

You are right Trev, I forgot that I was thinking like a normal person instead of however, these governments seem to be thinking about it.

I am just glad I live in the island state and have that body of water to keep people out.

Quote from: meha on July 29, 2021, 03:14:21 PMI am just glad I live in the island state and have that body of water to keep people out.

I thought that too about Australia at the start of last year, but oh no Aunty Glad & Co let the Ruby Princess dock and let the people roam

Quote from: meha on July 29, 2021, 12:39:07 PM
Was incredibly surprised to hear that NSW are going to divert vaccines from the regional areas to year 12 students in Sydney. It makes no sense and is an easy way to put people offside. You are basically saying people in regional areas either don't matter or we don't care if you get sick or not.

It makes no sense to prioritise vaccinations to locations where there are cases?
Young people may not get too ill, but in my opinion they are probably more likely to ignore stay at home orders and spread the virus to older people.

Has anyone noticed that the Green politicians are very quiet on the Covid19 situation.


But a very tongue in the cheek conjecture, which I personally do not agree with.

It has been suggested that the Green politicians believe that Humans are a major contribution to pollution and global warming, so, it would be better to have less humans.


Back to serious conjecture:

I wonder how many Health Ministers, Premiers and the Prime Minister will be so sick of the absolutely constant criticism by Know-all, smart-arse media celebrities that they will retire to a quite life as soon as they can.  Good or bad, these people carry a lot of responsibility for a relatively small wage compared to CEO's of much smaller organisations.

The Aussie prime minister pockets almost $550,000 a year.

... the Premier's salary up from $399,995 per year to around $427,500. That comfortably makes Palaszczuk the second highest-paid Premier in Australia, behind only Dan Andrews ' hefty salary of $441,439 in Victoria.

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian earns $407,980, while South Australian Premier Steven Marshall takes home $418,000. In Western Australia, Mark McGowan is paid $355,000.

What's the average salary of a CEO in Australia?
Macquarie Group CEO Nicholas Moore came second with a $23.86 million pay packet, while Michael Clarke from Treasury Wine Estates made $19,024,334. The median pay enjoyed by ASX 100 CEOs was $4.5 million — a far cry from the country's average full-time wage, which the Australian Bureau of Statistics places at $85,010.

Reportedly, some of the "EXPERT" TV know-alls such as Koshie and Carl Stephanovic get more than a $1M, a conservative estimate.

(Info from a variety of Google searches. If in doubt, you can do research. The general comparison principle remains.)

To put the whole 'Ruby Princess' debacle/debate to rest, we should look to the results of the inquiry led by Bret Walker SC - a serious head-kicker, if ever there was one. He doesn't care about politics when conducting inquiries (although I know he's a Labor man). In this inquiry and others he's led, he only wants to find the truth.

The results of his inquiry found that all that needed to happen was for people to do their jobs. The system would have worked just fine had they done so. Keep in mind that this happened in March 2020, the early days of our first knowledge of the (then) new virus. The ADF (Federal) gave the Ruby Princess a clearance to return to Sydney, despite noting a few people with cold/flu-like symptoms, and told NSW Health just that. Unfortunately, the ADF didn't have the authority to make an assessment on Covid, and didn't assume that it had such authority, however NSW Health officials took that clearance as read, instead of doing their own checks and allowed the Ruby Princess to dock.

"In light of all the information the expert panel (NSW Health )had, the decision to assess the risk as 'low risk' - in other words, do nothing, is as inexplicable as it is unjustifiable." Bret Walker.

If anyone cares to know more, Google: 'Ruby Princess inquiry, Bret Walker'. I doubt Gladys had any knowledge of any big problems about the docking of just another cruise ship until after the event. If she did, she should have asked her Health Dept officials what was going on. The inquiry found that she didn't - and she didn't. Her involvement started once the ship had docked and passengers were disembarking.

I don't have much interest in whether any mistakes by various State departments since Covid arrived can be blamed on any Liberal or Labor governments, but I know that the Federal government certainly got things wrong in its management of things since. Other than that, I'll leave the usual cheering or booing for political parties to score points over this pandemic to others. I'll stick to sport.   

Quote from: meha on July 29, 2021, 12:39:07 PM
Was incredibly surprised to hear that NSW are going to divert vaccines from the regional areas to year 12 students in Sydney. It makes no sense and is an easy way to put people offside. You are basically saying people in regional areas either don't matter or we don't care if you get sick or not.

Regional NSW has always been expendable no matter what party holds government. Nats are so intrenched that Libs are not worried about losing it, Labs don't bother pursuing it.

Quote from: Zac on July 29, 2021, 09:17:41 PM
I don't have much interest in whether any mistakes by various State departments since Covid arrived can be blamed on any Liberal or Labor governments, but I know that the Federal government certainly got things wrong in its management of things since. Other than that, I'll leave the usual cheering or booing for political parties to score points over this pandemic to others. I'll stick to sport.   

That's funny 'cause you're the only one to mention Lab v Libs in the last several pages.  ::) ;)

Quote from: Zac on July 29, 2021, 09:17:41 PMThe results of his inquiry found that all that needed to happen was for people to do their jobs. The system would have worked just fine had they done so.

BUT, they didn't do their jobs, so . . . . . . . . .

Quote from: Zac on July 29, 2021, 09:17:41 PMTo put the whole 'Ruby Princess' debacle/debate to rest, we should look to the results of the inquiry led by Bret Walker SC - a serious head-kicker, if ever there was one. He doesn't care aboutIf anyone cares to know more, Google: 'Ruby Princess inquiry, Bret Walker'. I doubt Gladys had any knowledge of any big problems about the docking of just another cruise ship until after the event. If she did, she should have asked her Health Dept officials what was going on. The inquiry found that she didn't - and she didn't. Her involvement started once the ship had docked and passengers were disembarking.

I don't know if this bloke was another planet to me and Gladys, but I distinctly remember the controversy about the boat docking, it was held off-shore for a while before letting it dock - I remember they knew exactly what was on-board - the press at the time was all over it - hmmm, I think I must live in a differently reality

Quote from: AlbertM on July 29, 2021, 10:26:04 PM
That's funny 'cause you're the only one to mention Lab v Libs in the last several pages.  ::) ;)

I must have imagined the criticisms of various governments in the 20 pages of this thread, particularly the criticism of the NSW Government. I know that various posters on here show  strong support or opposition to governments according to whether those governments are Liberal/Coalition or Labor. I support or criticise governments according to whether I believe they're doing a good or bad job. The fact remains that there was a thorough investigation into the 'Ruby Princess debacle. It was conducted by a Senior Counsel highly regarded for getting to the guts of any matter, whether it's in a public or private organisation, and whether it be incompetence, dishonesty, corrupt behaviour or anything else. His findings were that the debacle would not have occurred had people in NSW Health simply done their jobs, and he found no political interference or cover-up.

I'm no supporter of the NSW Government nor Gladys Berejiklian, and like a lot of people, I'm watching with interest the ICAC investigation into matters concerning Daryl Maguire and his relationship with Gladys and what she knew, but IMO, some people on here get blinded by their political prejudices.   

While I understand that various governments are involved in the Covid problem, I would appreciate it if comments about them were restricted to the actual Covid responses only.

Anything else political should be in the political thread.

Thanks  ;D

Quote from: Zac on July 30, 2021, 07:05:15 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on July 29, 2021, 10:26:04 PM
That's funny 'cause you're the only one to mention Lab v Libs in the last several pages.  ::) ;)

I must have imagined the criticisms of various governments in the 20 pages of this thread, particularly the criticism of the NSW Government. I know that various posters on here show  strong support or opposition to governments according to whether those governments are Liberal/Coalition or Labor. I support or criticise governments according to whether I believe they're doing a good or bad job. The fact remains that there was a thorough investigation into the 'Ruby Princess debacle. It was conducted by a Senior Counsel highly regarded for getting to the guts of any matter, whether it's in a public or private organisation, and whether it be incompetence, dishonesty, corrupt behaviour or anything else. His findings were that the debacle would not have occurred had people in NSW Health simply done their jobs, and he found no political interference or cover-up.

I'm no supporter of the NSW Government nor Gladys Berejiklian, and like a lot of people, I'm watching with interest the ICAC investigation into matters concerning Daryl Maguire and his relationship with Gladys and what she knew, but IMO, some people on here get blinded by their political prejudices.   

I see, only you can be impartial.  Because no one else can be critical of a governments actions especially with Covid as you have pigeon holed the rest of us. For someone that claims to be unbiased and judges governments if they are doing good or bad job, you go out of your way to point out the political affiliations.

Yes people are critical of the NSW government.  They have failed miserably.  Made worse by ignoring how Victoria stuffed up last year and how the other states deal with outbreaks now. I can say that as a NSW resident that fears for my and my Family's wellbeing. Covid-19 doesn't care who votes for who.

  ::) :)

No prizes for 2nd place Zac, remember? :P

Moving on. Two days ago the PM said about the Vaccine roll out reaching 80%.

"By the end of the year we will be in that position, where everybody who has had the opportunity will have had it,"
"I would expect by Christmas that we would be seeing a very different Australia to what we are seeing now ... lockdowns become a thing of the past when you are at that level.

Today He is asked if we will reach 70% by the end of the year.

"We're not going to set timetables on it. I would hope so, but that is entirely up to how the nation responds to this challenge."
"We get there when we get there."

Lockdowns: Gulag Gladys Vs Dictator Dan

https://youtu.be/fO1XV7SvWcg

Quote from: AlbertM on July 30, 2021, 06:27:36 PM
No prizes for 2nd place Zac, remember? :P

No, there isn't. I'll leave you to have the last word.
I know what it means to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB1JlHWvRxc

Again? Last time you used that clip on me, Robin Williams killed himself.

Annnd Queensland's SE goes into lockdown.  With a not so subtle dig at NSW from the CMO.

"I want to remind people why we need to do this. New South Wales had one case on 16 June. 38 days later, they are at 3,000 cases. From that one person. 38 days, 3,000 cases. Sadly, 13 people have died just from that one cluster."


It's not classic Robin Williams, still funny...

Honest Government Ad | Hotel Quarantine & Vaccines - https://youtu.be/X_0zFEtPbiA (coarse language warning)

This is worth thinking about:-

Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let's review some facts :
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn't trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn't trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn't trust the security guards not to have conversations with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and state borders, because we can't trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn't trust people to not to take more than what they needed.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated, but essentially it's our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
The quicker people start following directions, the quicker this situation will improve.
Start thinking of others not just yourselves.

Yes, people are only part of the problem.

Failures/leaks of quarantine is purely 100% the fault of the government. Hotels are for tourist not virial containment.  Delta is airborne and guests are breathing the same air as a result People are getting infected in quarantine.  The feds have had 18 month to setup dedicated facilities. States have offered to build their own only for the Feds to make any support for it conditional on keeping hotel quarantine.

If only the government deployed the police and ADF to the Sydney Eastern suburbs 5 weeks ago. We wouldn't have to blame thousands of people doing the wrong thing.

The slow roll out of the vaccine is another government failure and out of the hands of the people.

Last lines I completely agree with.

Quote from: AlbertM on August 01, 2021, 12:40:11 AM
Yes, people are only part of the problem.

Failures/leaks of quarantine is purely 100% the fault of the government. Hotels are for tourist not virial containment.  Delta is airborne and guests are breathing the same air as a result People are getting infected in quarantine.  The feds have had 18 month to setup dedicated facilities. States have offered to build their own only for the Feds to make any support for it conditional on keeping hotel quarantine.

If only the government deployed the police and ADF to the Sydney Eastern suburbs 5 weeks ago. We wouldn't have to blame thousands of people doing the wrong thing.

The slow roll out of the vaccine is another government failure and out of the hands of the people.

Last lines I completely agree with.

Has anyone seen, anywhere in the world, a dedicated quarantine facility, or a design for one, that provides a separate air supply for each room? That guarantees no cross contamination of air? That doesn't rely on staff coming into reasonably close proximity to inmates? That eliminates the potential for staff to ever make a mistake and that arrivals can get to without travelling through an air or sea port or have to be taken to this facility in a bus?

Quote from: LG on July 31, 2021, 10:38:02 PM
This is worth thinking about:-

Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let's review some facts :
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn't trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn't trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn't trust the security guards not to have conversations with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and state borders, because we can't trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn't trust people to not to take more than what they needed.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated, but essentially it's our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
The quicker people start following directions, the quicker this situation will improve.
Start thinking of others not just yourselves.

very well said Zac

Quote from: AlbertM on August 01, 2021, 12:40:11 AM
Yes, people are only part of the problem.

Failures/leaks of quarantine is purely 100% the fault of the government. Hotels are for tourist not virial containment.  Delta is airborne and guests are breathing the same air as a result People are getting infected in quarantine.  The feds have had 18 month to setup dedicated facilities. States have offered to build their own only for the Feds to make any support for it conditional on keeping hotel quarantine.

If only the government deployed the police and ADF to the Sydney Eastern suburbs 5 weeks ago. We wouldn't have to blame thousands of people doing the wrong thing.

The slow roll out of the vaccine is another government failure and out of the hands of the people.

Last lines I completely agree with.

and I agree with you

Quote from: djr18fan on August 01, 2021, 06:09:57 AM
Has anyone seen, anywhere in the world, a dedicated quarantine facility, or a design for one, that provides a separate air supply for each room? That guarantees no cross contamination of air? That doesn't rely on staff coming into reasonably close proximity to inmates? That eliminates the potential for staff to ever make a mistake and that arrivals can get to without travelling through an air or sea port or have to be taken to this facility in a bus?

No, but I reckon we are going to see 3 or 4 that come very very close

Quote from: djr18fan on August 01, 2021, 06:09:57 AM
Has anyone seen, anywhere in the world, a dedicated quarantine facility, or a design for one, that provides a separate air supply for each room? That guarantees no cross contamination of air? That doesn't rely on staff coming into reasonably close proximity to inmates? That eliminates the potential for staff to ever make a mistake and that arrivals can get to without travelling through an air or sea port or have to be taken to this facility in a bus?

A caravan park? Trained support staff instead of rent-a-cops? Proper PPE?

So what you are saying is that there is no point improving facilities to minimise the risk of contamination?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-04/new-quarantine-hub-to-be-built-in-victoria/100189846

https://theconversation.com/this-is-how-we-should-build-and-staff-victorias-new-quarantine-facility-say-two-infection-control-experts-162157

Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2021, 06:10:57 AM

very well said Zac

Poor LG :)

Quote from: AlbertM on August 01, 2021, 07:19:14 AM

Quote from: djr18fan on August 01, 2021, 06:09:57 AM
Has anyone seen, anywhere in the world, a dedicated quarantine facility, or a design for one, that provides a separate air supply for each room? That guarantees no cross contamination of air? That doesn't rely on staff coming into reasonably close proximity to inmates? That eliminates the potential for staff to ever make a mistake and that arrivals can get to without travelling through an air or sea port or have to be taken to this facility in a bus?

A caravan park? Trained support staff instead of rent-a-cops? Proper PPE?

So what you are saying is that there is no point improving facilities to minimise the risk of contamination?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-04/new-quarantine-hub-to-be-built-in-victoria/100189846

https://theconversation.com/this-is-how-we-should-build-and-staff-victorias-new-quarantine-facility-say-two-infection-control-experts-162157

No. I'm saying is I'm unaware of the ideal facility existing anywhere. Suggesting it's bloody hard to achieve. And the weak point will still be people.

People will alway be an X factor. There will never be a totally secure/safe society. it is about lowering the risk as much as possible. Doesn't matter if it hasn't been done before.  At this point any dedicated facility is an easy step up from using hotels.  Easier to limit the spread of the virus, easier to clean, easier to secure, easier to police. Easier to make procedures knowing the facilities are up to the task.

Right now the Federal government is trying to drive home a nail with a rock instead of using a hammer despite there being a hardware store down the block.

Our state has now changed the rules for those over 30 can now sign up for the Phizer vaccine from this week gone. So I have just signed up, first available time 10th of September. Oh well, if me having the vaccine helps someone from getting sick in the future then it is a no brainer for me.

Good stuff meha

After weeks of trying, I finally have a booking. Next Monday I will be shot.

and you too Albert.

I also suspect that we will need to have it in the not too distant future to be able to go to things or to be able to go out anywhere

My workplace has 1000+ employees in it and has done 3 days of vaccinations for workers, their families and next one are offering friends of employees. They are still pushing **** up hill to convince more then 30% of staff to be injected and that is with the rumour that the company is going to limit hours to all permanent part-time and casual employees unvaccinated!

Not sure how people can think it's a population cull or why people do not research the effort and financing that has gone into modifying a vaccine to combat the virus properly.

QuoteFruit and vegetable processor SPC has become the first Australian company to mandate vaccines for all onsite staff and visitors.

Key points:
Shepparton food processor is the first Australian company to mandate COVID-19 vaccines for staff

All of SPC's 450 onsite workers will receive paid vaccination leave and up to two days of special leave to recover

Chairman Hussien Rifai believes his company is an essential service to the community

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-covid-vaccine-staff/100351492

I booked in for my jab 3 weeks ago and I've still got to wait until 5th September before I can get my first shot.

I remember saying to my next door neighbour almost exactly a year ago that before the end of this we would all have to be vaccinated or face restrictions with overseas and local travel and more than likely restrictions on where you can shop or use your local facilities. He just scoffed at me and said it would never happen. Well, it appears now that not only will it happen, it will be part of daily life before too much longer.

In any event, it doesn't worry me because I'm too old to give a **** ;), but I can see more civil libertarians jumping up and down and no doubt more mass protests.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/covid-vaccination-passport-how-it-could-work/100350778

Quote from: Tasv8 on August 05, 2021, 10:18:32 AM
I booked in for my jab 3 weeks ago and I've still got to wait until 5th September before I can get my first shot.

I remember saying to my next door neighbour almost exactly a year ago that before the end of this we would all have to be vaccinated or face restrictions with overseas and local travel and more than likely restrictions on where you can shop or use your local facilities. He just scoffed at me and said it would never happen. Well, it appears now that not only will it happen, it will be part of daily life before too much longer.

In any event, it doesn't worry me because I'm too old to give a **** ;), but I can see more civil libertarians jumping up and down and no doubt more mass protests.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/covid-vaccination-passport-how-it-could-work/100350778

Huge difference here.  Not to rub salt in the wounds, but from what I gather at the huge Meijer Supermarket and all-inclusive everything else store here in town, you can go up the the pharmacy window, show them your insurance card, fill out a form and wait for about 15-20 minutes.  Then they call you into the back room and administer the shot.  They are doing the Pfizer one (I think).

Quote from: mikeamerica84 on August 05, 2021, 10:40:17 AM

Quote from: Tasv8 on August 05, 2021, 10:18:32 AM
I booked in for my jab 3 weeks ago and I've still got to wait until 5th September before I can get my first shot.

I remember saying to my next door neighbour almost exactly a year ago that before the end of this we would all have to be vaccinated or face restrictions with overseas and local travel and more than likely restrictions on where you can shop or use your local facilities. He just scoffed at me and said it would never happen. Well, it appears now that not only will it happen, it will be part of daily life before too much longer.

In any event, it doesn't worry me because I'm too old to give a **** ;), but I can see more civil libertarians jumping up and down and no doubt more mass protests.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/covid-vaccination-passport-how-it-could-work/100350778

Huge difference here.  Not to rub salt in the wounds, but from what I gather at the huge Meijer Supermarket and all-inclusive everything else store here in town, you can go up the the pharmacy window, show them your insurance card, fill out a form and wait for about 15-20 minutes.  Then they call you into the back room and administer the shot.  They are doing the Pfizer one (I think).

Quote from: mikeamerica84 on August 05, 2021, 10:40:17 AM

Quote from: Tasv8 on August 05, 2021, 10:18:32 AM
I booked in for my jab 3 weeks ago and I've still got to wait until 5th September before I can get my first shot.

I remember saying to my next door neighbour almost exactly a year ago that before the end of this we would all have to be vaccinated or face restrictions with overseas and local travel and more than likely restrictions on where you can shop or use your local facilities. He just scoffed at me and said it would never happen. Well, it appears now that not only will it happen, it will be part of daily life before too much longer.

In any event, it doesn't worry me because I'm too old to give a **** ;), but I can see more civil libertarians jumping up and down and no doubt more mass protests.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/covid-vaccination-passport-how-it-could-work/100350778

Huge difference here.  Not to rub salt in the wounds, but from what I gather at the huge Meijer Supermarket and all-inclusive everything else store here in town, you can go up the the pharmacy window, show them your insurance card, fill out a form and wait for about 15-20 minutes.  Then they call you into the back room and administer the shot.  They are doing the Pfizer one (I think).

Yes Mike, I live in Tasmania ( The little blob at the bottom of the mainland  :).) It's different up North in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane and they get their shots up there pretty quickly. That's where the bulk of our population is located and where the most political votes are to be gained (only joking). Another thing is we haven't had a covid case in this state for nearly 8 months so we're probably not a high priority at this point of time.

Quick, knock on a piece of wood Tasv8, A plane full of Melburnians landed in Tassie and all told to go in to isolation. Whole state of Vic going back into lock down tonight.

Quote from: AlbertM on August 05, 2021, 04:56:23 PM
Quick, knock on a piece of wood Tasv8, A plane full of Melburnians landed in Tassie and all told to go in to isolation. Whole state of Vic going back into lock down tonight.

I've been in lockdown for years 8). Generalisimo Dan will keeps all the Vics safe.

Quote from: Tasv8 on August 05, 2021, 11:02:20 AM
Yes Mike, I live in Tasmania ( The little blob at the bottom of the mainland  :).) It's different up North in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane and they get their shots up there pretty quickly. That's where the bulk of our population is located and where the most political votes are to be gained (only joking). Another thing is we haven't had a covid case in this state for nearly 8 months so we're probably not a high priority at this point of time.

I feel for you, Tas.  I really do.  It is one thing if one does not wish to get a vaccine.  That is a personal choice and rapidly becoming a political choice over here.

But it is another thing when one wishes to get the vaccine, but cannot - like yourself right now.

On a sidebar, I wouldn't knock your little blob.  From everything I have ever seen there (never in person), it looks like a cool place to be.

Victoria... The place to .... get away from and the sooner the better :'(

So much for being a great place to be, the whole joint has gone to the dogs

Quote from: Sonic on August 05, 2021, 07:09:08 PM
Victoria... The place to .... get away from and the sooner the better :'(

So much for being a great place to be, the whole joint has gone to the dogs

Someone needs to push him down the stairs again, his deputy did not lock up areas that didn't need it and it worked so not sure why we are coming to locking down the entire state.

It's inching ever so closer to my part of the world. They've found more poo fragments in the sewerage at Armidale and Dubbo, plus cases around Newcastle and other parts of the Hunter.

From 5pm today, most of the Hunter from Muswellbrook to Newcastle is locked down, and the horsey people around Scone are free to roam.

I understand as to why it's locked down like that, as a lot of miners live in Newcastle and work at the mines around Singleton and Muswellbrook. A few make their way to Gunnedah too, so that is a tad concerning.

Quote from: Troy01505 on August 05, 2021, 09:36:51 PM

Quote from: Sonic on August 05, 2021, 07:09:08 PM
Victoria... The place to .... get away from and the sooner the better :'(

So much for being a great place to be, the whole joint has gone to the dogs

Someone needs to push him down the stairs again, his deputy did not lock up areas that didn't need it and it worked so not sure why we are coming to locking down the entire state.

On the bright side, you'll be out of lock down before NSW...again.  ;D

Quote from: Sonic on August 05, 2021, 07:09:08 PM
Victoria... The place to .... get away from and the sooner the better :'(

So much for being a great place to be, the whole joint has gone to the dogs

so no mention that if Gladys locked down tight at the very start Victoria would not be in lockdow now?  Not going to mention that Phil?  I thought not. I am as unhappy as the next person, but I think of community. 

You would have thought that ALL Governments would have learnt from Victoria's experience in 2020, but no . . . . . no mention of that Phil?  I thought not

No mention of how the Feds have gone M.I.A. since the start. they had 2 jobs . . . . . . . . . . .

Quote from: Trevor on August 06, 2021, 06:30:52 AM

Quote from: Sonic on August 05, 2021, 07:09:08 PM
Victoria... The place to .... get away from and the sooner the better :'(

So much for being a great place to be, the whole joint has gone to the dogs

so no mention that if Gladys locked down tight at the very start Victoria would not be in lockdow now?  Not going to mention that Phil?  I thought not. I am as unhappy as the next person, but I think of community. 

You would have thought that ALL Governments would have learnt from Victoria's experience in 2020, but no . . . . . no mention of that Phil?  I thought not

No mention of how the Feds have gone M.I.A. since the start. they had 2 jobs . . . . . . . . . . .

Sorry I didn't respond as fully as you would have liked Trev :S

Of course EVERY gov, state and federal, has ballsed this up royally! And EVERY one of us should be royally pissed off about it.

It seems the only acceptable options according to some here are:

1. Don't lockdown until there's a few deaths (and it's out o control)
2. Lockdown before there are any cases bevause there might be.

Got my first jab this morning. No side effects for me so far twelve hours later.

Last year Vic was the example what not to do with an outbreak of Covid. NSW is the example why we still need snap, hard lockdowns because they wilfully ignored what happened in Vic.

We're going to suffer lockdowns until we're vaccinated. So ask yourself, would you prefer 2-3 week lockdowns or several continuous months?

Active cases as of 6/8
NSW   3716  (+291 Highest daily increase since the start of the pandemic)
QLD   122  (+10)
VIC   80  (+6)
SA   20
WA   10
NT   7   
TAS   0   
ACT   0      

Quote from: Sonic on August 06, 2021, 08:49:50 AM

Sorry I didn't respond as fully as you would have liked Trev :S

Of course EVERY gov, state and federal, has ballsed this up royally! And EVERY one of us should be royally pissed off about it.

Not a fair comment. All but the Feds, Vic and NSW have done OK handling the pandemic.

Vic at least has learnt from the past. Feds have ballsed everything they are responsible for. Aged care, Quarantine, Vaccine roll out. NSW repeated the mistakes Vic made 12 months ago, driven by pure political ego.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySXphrwN1LY

Quote from: Kytabu on August 06, 2021, 09:12:28 PM
Got my first jab this morning. No side effects for me so far twelve hours later.

got my 2nd AZ shot yesterday, feeling fine today

I see we are back on to the political side of things again...

Quote from: Kytabu on August 06, 2021, 09:12:28 PM
Got my first jab this morning. No side effects for me so far twelve hours later.

What's the reception like in the government mandated 5G tracking chip?

;D

Armidale and Guyra councils are going into lockdown from 5PM this afternoon.

Clearly it's lurking around in this part of the world.

Well, I'm only on 3G from the first jab, need the second jab for the other 2G. Will let you know ;D.

Got me first fizzer jab an hour ago. Within 20mins I got very dizzy and light headed while standing. I'm fine sitting or laying down.

New Zealand continues to get away with it.


Somehow, we botched a port visit by a ship with infected crew, one that involved a positive case in Brisbane, allowed a NZ pilot & a whole lot of port workers onto the ship, and it appears no one caught the virus.


It's inevitable that covid will get back into our country. Eventually we will have to open borders. But I think there's a good chance it will get in before we want it to (and enough of the population have been vaccinated).
That will mean a strict lockdown.
Delta is that contagious.


We have surely used up more than our quota of luck now.


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/covid-19-coronavirus-110-tauranga-port-workers-return-negative-results/377LIFLC3TSG7WOAORWZSXT3VA/ (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/covid-19-coronavirus-110-tauranga-port-workers-return-negative-results/377LIFLC3TSG7WOAORWZSXT3VA/)

We've had a couple of long clear runs in NZ now so the benefit of behaving during a harsh lockdown is obvious. I think NZers will behave better than they would've if yet another lockdown had happened in say April or May. The protests in Sydney will have inspired the bloody covidiots, but otherwise Australia's really helping by setting an example on how not to be. Sorry guys. ;D

I guess ideally borders would be opened freely after most of us have had a 3rd/booster jab of Pfizer, ie. when the population's protection is at its peak and vaccine effects haven't waned at all. Problem is that's probably too far away for us.

Unlike the first outbreak of the virus across OZ, there is bugger all financial support for those in lockdown. People have no choice but to go to work to live. No coincidence that the majority of spreading in NSW is from the workplace.

You are 100% right there Albert, there is going to be more spread as people are going out to work to keep a roof over their heads. Whilst the job keeper when it was first out there was not a perfect system by any stretch at least people stayed home and did the right thing. Now, with over 6000 infected in NSW it is hard to not think that the battle is being lost badly there particularly when you have people going up to Byron Bay knowing that they are infected.

If places like WA and NZ continue to get away with it until the end of the year then that would be a great result. I am not as across the vaccine rollout in NZ but the way things are finally picking up in Australia there will have to be discussions regarding re-entering the world from EARLY next year, which considering how we were going 6 weeks ago even, this is a good outcome. Good luck to the politicians dealing with this issue with an election coming up.

Had my second jab last night.

Headache and arm is feeling like it was kicked by a horse (I have some experience with this from my old rodeo days)

Other than that, all okay so far

Welcome back to 2020, where every state and territory has an active case.

Quote from: AlbertM on August 12, 2021, 02:44:40 PM
Welcome back to 2020, where every state and territory has an active case.

and a bit THANK YOU to NSW for spreading their ****ing pox on the rest of us

Did you see that yesterday, 2 ****ing ignorant Sydney women traveled to Melbourne on a QANTAS flight while infectious, WTF is wrong with people - is this deliberate of what - they have both been issued with a fine for over $5000

There are quite a few who just do not seem to get it, heck we have just had to have someone issued a stay at home order after lying to get into the state about their whereabouts. There is a lot who think that this is not serious or have no interest in following the rules.

It is the same as checking into business. We now have a rule here that everyone has to check into everywhere they go ever our own workplaces. We had one come into work the other day, politely asked him to check in, all we got was nope, not going to do it, it is just the government trying to find out my business, and people wonder why we are loosing the battle

Quote from: meha on August 13, 2021, 09:05:06 AM
It is the same as checking into business. We now have a rule here that everyone has to check into everywhere they go ever our own workplaces. We had one come into work the other day, politely asked him to check in, all we got was nope, not going to do it, it is just the government trying to find out my business, and people wonder why we are loosing the battle

Man, I love these people. They won't use the check-ins, but happily use social media accounts, Google Maps and everything else that gathers their data.

Quote from: Trevor on August 13, 2021, 07:02:52 AM
Did you see that yesterday, 2 ****ing ignorant Sydney women traveled to Melbourne on a QANTAS flight while infectious, WTF is wrong with people - is this deliberate of what - they have both been issued with a fine for over $5000

The other question is how were they allowed to board in the first place? Apparently the staff at Sydney Airport did not properly check their permits; what a joke!

25 cases in Dubbo, NSW in one day. The thought of putting all of NSW in lockdown has been floated.

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Quote from: meha on August 13, 2021, 09:05:06 AM
It is the same as checking into business. We now have a rule here that everyone has to check into everywhere they go ever our own workplaces. We had one come into work the other day, politely asked him to check in, all we got was nope, not going to do it, it is just the government trying to find out my business, and people wonder why we are loosing the battle

Man, I love these people. They won't use the check-ins, but happily use social media accounts, Google Maps and everything else that gathers their data.

Apparently there are several fake covid check-in apps for those that can fake a check-in so the government can't track you. The kicker is they run on Russian servers. Who is tracking who?  ;)

Quote from: AlbertM on August 14, 2021, 12:20:11 AM
25 cases in Dubbo, NSW in one day. The thought of putting all of NSW in lockdown has been floated.

Yep, I've had a few mention that in the taxi yesterday.

I'm on my own little island in Gunnedah. Tamworth is locked down so I can't go there, the furthest I can go towards Newcastle is to Scone, and the furthest place West is Coonabarabran.

The pubs here are still full of people and the social distancing measures haven't clicked for some people. They all still look for parties afterwards to go to.

It's not my responsibility what they do after they jump out of the taxi, but a group I took home in the taxi got done for Covid breaches about an hour I dropped them off for having more than five at a house party.

Woohoo! Statewide locky D for NSW.

Is that a full Level 4 type lock down or just restrictions?

Quote from: AlbertM on August 14, 2021, 03:20:29 PM
Woohoo! Statewide locky D for NSW.

And of course, all the truly special cases have flocked down to Colesworths before 5PM.

It starts to lose its shock when it happens all the time.

Quote from: murph_fan51 on August 14, 2021, 04:46:11 PM
Is that a full Level 4 type lock down or just restrictions?

Stay at home, leave for only essentials, medical, exercise and work if you can't do it from home.

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Quote from: murph_fan51 on August 14, 2021, 04:46:11 PM
Is that a full Level 4 type lock down or just restrictions?

Stay at home, leave for only essentials, medical, exercise and work if you can't do it from home.

Sounds like Level 3, so it could be worse.

Defiantly. Level 4 would be prohibitive in regional areas anyway.

Quote from: AlbertM on August 14, 2021, 08:12:03 PM
Defiantly. Level 4 would be prohibitive in regional areas anyway.

Why? What's different?

Quote from: fordman on Today at 08:02:22 AM on another thread.
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The theory of the 80% is we can treat it like the flu, we don't lockdown for the flu. if we go past 80% and state still lockdown there will be a riot. There must be some benefit to being vaccinated.

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Interesting point.

Nursing Homes are asking for proof of Flu injections before entry, but not Covid19 injections.

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Quote from: AlbertM on August 14, 2021, 08:12:03 PM
Defiantly. Level 4 would be prohibitive in regional areas anyway.

Why? What's different?

Impossible to limit how far people can travel from their homes. There are localities with no services at all.

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Quote from: djr18fan on August 15, 2021, 05:54:17 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on August 14, 2021, 08:12:03 PM
Defiantly. Level 4 would be prohibitive in regional areas anyway.

Why? What's different?

Impossible to limit how far people can travel from their homes. There are localities with no services at all.

not really. Just make it that you aren't allowed to travel further than necessary to get the essential service required.

Quote from: djr18fan on August 15, 2021, 01:14:29 PM
not really. Just make it that you aren't allowed to travel further than necessary to get the essential service required.

Yeah, really. Not only do we travel 100's of KM's a week in all directions, there are no Police to enforce such restrictions.

this so correct.

The reason we are still in lockdown in Sydney is because of people 😌
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let's review some facts about the last 18 months in Australia :
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn't trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn't trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn't trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and now Sydney and state borders, because we can't trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn't trust people not to take more than what they needed.
8. In Sydney they've had to close down streets, suburbs and freeways with army trucks because people can't be trusted to stay at home. Instead they want to go to beach parties in Newcastle.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated, but essentially it's our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Selfishness, entitlement and a lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself in Australia.
The quicker people start following directions, the quicker this situation will improve and our businesses can start to grow again. 🙏🏼

Quote from: fordman on August 15, 2021, 06:16:32 PM
this so correct.

The reason we are still in lockdown in Sydney is because of people 😌
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let's review some facts about the last 18 months in Australia :
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn't trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn't trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn't trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and now Sydney and state borders, because we can't trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn't trust people not to take more than what they needed.
8. In Sydney they've had to close down streets, suburbs and freeways with army trucks because people can't be trusted to stay at home. Instead they want to go to beach parties in Newcastle.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated, but essentially it's our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Selfishness, entitlement and a lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself in Australia.
The quicker people start following directions, the quicker this situation will improve and our businesses can start to grow again. 🙏🏼

Have a look at p21...  :)

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Quote from: AlbertM on August 14, 2021, 08:12:03 PM
Defiantly. Level 4 would be prohibitive in regional areas anyway.

Why? What's different?

Impossible to limit how far people can travel from their homes. There are localities with no services at all.

not really. Just make it that you aren't allowed to travel further than necessary to get the essential service required.

We jinxed it. All of NSW goes to level 4 restrictions 0001 Monday morning.

The penalties are far too low and should be doubled for each successive fine incurred by a person. >:(

QuoteThe NSW Police Commissioner has issued a directive to all officers ordering them not to issue warnings and cautions to people who allegedly breach the state's public health orders, in a move that is likely to result in a steep increase in fines and other penalties across NSW.

In an email to officers obtained by The Australian, senior police advise that the police commissioner had authorised measures that would be implemented as part of Operation Stay at Home 2021, which took effect at 12:01am on Monday.

Officers are being told that if they are considering using discretion to issue a warning or caution they must first seek permission from a superior, a step described by a police source as highly irregular and possibly unprecedented.

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The email emphasises that the request not to issue an on-the-spot penalty will also have to be recorded in police logs for accountability purposes.

"(The) Operation is focused on enforcement of the Public Health Orders and any breach identified should be prosecuted to the letter of the law," the email says.

"Warnings and Cautions during the next few weeks of the operation should be limited and if used will need to be authorised by a Supervisor or Inspector and recorded in the event."

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Comment has been sought from the NSW Police Commissioner.

The NSW Government announced over the weekend that much steeper penalties would be introduced at the request of Police Commissioner Mick Fuller, who has assumed control of managing the state's response to the Covid-19 outbreak.

Breaches of self-isolation rules have been increased at his request from $1000 to $5000, while breaches of two-person outdoor exercise exemptions have risen from $1000 to $3000.

A $5000 penalty will also be issued for lying to a contact tracer or lying on a permit; a $3000 fine has been introduced for breaching entry rules to regional NSW.

The email continues: "The rapid spread of the Coronavirus Delta Variant within New South Wales has out-paced the previously successful strategies used to contain the previous variants of the Coronavirus during the pandemic."

Since the start of the pandemic the NSW Police Force has publicly stressed that its intention has been to educate rather than fine individuals for breaches of the public health orders.

Cases where individuals have been fined or charged have often followed instances where they had received prior warnings. Premier Gladys Berejiklian said on Friday that she was becoming "tired of hearing people saying" that they were confused by health orders, which have been altered dozens of times since the start of the pandemic.

Officers increased their presence at Sydney's beaches and parks over the weekend in preparation for a scale-up of their operations, but they appeared to err on the side of caution when dealing with individuals allegedly in breach of the health orders.

In one instance at Bondi Beach, officers approached a group of men congregating in breach of the exemptions. The men, who were not exercising or purchasing food, were told by the incredulous officers to "at least get a coffee" to justify their reason for being outdoors.

It is behind a paywall so i quoted a lot,
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/nsw-police-instructed-not-to-issue-warnings-or-cautions-when-dealing-with-public-health-order-breaches/news-story/ce2b1ffbda0728428063e2b22a51f22f

Hard to believe Coronavirus is talked about on here more then Motorsport but I guess panic, fear and gossip would drive that.

Easy to believe. Australian motorsport being on hold would drive that. Agreed about the gossip element to it though.

Another 2 weeks of lockdown with the bonus prize of 8pm - 5am curfew :'(

This hurts :'(

Are you surprised Phil, look at the behaviour of the 20 to 40 year olds, it is deplorable.

I went for a walk with my wife yesterday, about 14 cars outside a neighbour's place, new Australian from the middle east, they are just blatantly breaking the rules, so the local police station got a call. Why should we be punished for their behaviour

Quote from: Trevor on August 16, 2021, 04:36:15 PM
Are you surprised Phil, look at the behaviour of the 20 to 40 year olds, it is deplorable.

I went for a walk with my wife yesterday, about 14 cars outside a neighbour's place, new Australian from the middle east, they are just blatantly breaking the rules, so the local police station got a call. Why should we be punished for their behaviour

feel that.

I managed to squeeze in 2 small walks over the weekend to try to get some sun into me. I give up.

Quote from: Troy01505 on August 16, 2021, 12:53:53 PM
Hard to believe Coronavirus is talked about on here more then Motorsport but I guess panic, fear and gossip would drive that.

Priorities.
Especially with lockdowns impacting Motorsport.

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Quote from: djr18fan on August 15, 2021, 01:14:29 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on August 15, 2021, 09:50:47 AM

Quote from: djr18fan on August 15, 2021, 05:54:17 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on August 14, 2021, 08:12:03 PM
Defiantly. Level 4 would be prohibitive in regional areas anyway.

Why? What's different?

Impossible to limit how far people can travel from their homes. There are localities with no services at all.

not really. Just make it that you aren't allowed to travel further than necessary to get the essential service required.

We jinxed it. All of NSW goes to level 4 restrictions 0001 Monday morning.

Sorry to hear. Level 4 is horrible. Been there, done that. How long is the L4 going for?

Just a week for now. But have just heard cases have spread to Bourke, Mudgee and Bathurst. Shouldn't be a surprise if it goes longer.

Just announced. NSW "gold standard" contract tracing gave up listing contact sites in West and South West Sydney a few days ago.

NSW Health will continue to list close contact sites for Regional NSW.

To be fair, they have listed ALL of Greater Sydney as a potential exposure site, hence the lockdown restrictions.

If one wades through the lists, they were generally historic anyway.
i.e.

On 5 August, Bunnings xxx  between the hours of 1pm and 2pm.

On 8 August, The ladies toilet at xxx shopping centre between the hours of 3 pm and 3.15 pm

etc etc.

Many of the sites that were listed are sites that should not be visited under lockdown in any case.

NZ in level 4 lockdown from midnight. Entire country.

Quote from: djr18fan on August 17, 2021, 05:27:05 PM
NZ in level 4 lockdown from midnight. Entire country.

We jinxed it here on V8 Central! Can't believe it   :-\

On the nightly ABC Aboriginal representative show, The DRUM, a list of NSW regional areas in trouble with Codid19 was supplied by a Doctor.

One of the "at risk" Aboriginal areas listed was Bathurst.

It is not looking good for the Annual Endurance Race. Maybe it should revert to it's Historical home this year, but Victoria is also in trouble, it seems. Maybe they should move it to Ipswich.

can you imagine 1000k's around the hairpin

The Bend would be a better choice

Sorry to our Kiwi friends. NSW is responsible for your outbreak.

Sorry our Queensland & Victoria friends.  NSW is responsible for your outbreak.

Quote from: AlbertM on August 18, 2021, 12:10:33 PM
Sorry to our Kiwi friends. NSW is responsible for your outbreak.

And after we taught them how to play rugby. Rude!

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Quote from: AlbertM on August 15, 2021, 07:51:31 PM

Quote from: djr18fan on August 15, 2021, 01:14:29 PM

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Quote from: djr18fan on August 15, 2021, 05:54:17 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on August 14, 2021, 08:12:03 PM
Defiantly. Level 4 would be prohibitive in regional areas anyway.

Why? What's different?

Impossible to limit how far people can travel from their homes. There are localities with no services at all.

not really. Just make it that you aren't allowed to travel further than necessary to get the essential service required.

We jinxed it. All of NSW goes to level 4 restrictions 0001 Monday morning.

Sorry to hear. Level 4 is horrible. Been there, done that. How long is the L4 going for?

That ain't level 4. This is level 4!

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126107464/how-new-zealands-level-4-compares-to-nsws-strict-covid19-lockdown

Geez, we didn't even bother climbing through the 500s. We'll just jump from the 400s to 600s instead.

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Quote from: AlbertM on August 14, 2021, 08:12:03 PM
Defiantly. Level 4 would be prohibitive in regional areas anyway.

Why? What's different?

Impossible to limit how far people can travel from their homes. There are localities with no services at all.

not really. Just make it that you aren't allowed to travel further than necessary to get the essential service required.

We jinxed it. All of NSW goes to level 4 restrictions 0001 Monday morning.

Sorry to hear. Level 4 is horrible. Been there, done that. How long is the L4 going for?

That ain't level 4. This is level 4!

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126107464/how-new-zealands-level-4-compares-to-nsws-strict-covid19-lockdown

Such is the confusion in NSW. We're not doing nearly enough.

Quote from: AlbertM on August 18, 2021, 12:10:33 PM
Sorry to our Kiwi friends. NSW is responsible for your outbreak.

Seems it was a returning Kiwi...

There's no coming back from this now, NSW will now need to vaccinate to 80% or so and then re-open.  Their issue will be that once they do that, they will be locked out of every other state until they too reach as high percentage, which will happen at a slower rate.

A team of scientists recently said 97% vaccinated is the goal now!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125589173/covid19-new-data-suggests-herd-immunity-unachievable-in-new-zealand

QuoteBased on the existing data around the efficacy of the Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine – 95 per cent according to data from stage three clinical trials – Plank and his team calculated that if a strain with an R0 of 3 was circulating, 71 per cent of the population would need to be vaccinated.

With the Alpha variant, 83 per cent of the population – made up of 90 per cent of the adult population and 55 per cent of under-15s – would need to be vaccinated, the research, which is yet to be formally peer-reviewed found.

For the Delta variant, around 97 per cent – equal coverage in all age groups – would need to be fully vaccinated to reach herd immunity.

Quote from: Ospif1 on August 19, 2021, 06:36:31 PM
There's no coming back from this now, NSW will now need to vaccinate to 80% or so and then re-open.  Their issue will be that once they do that, they will be locked out of every other state until they too reach as high percentage, which will happen at a slower rate.

it is going exactly as ScoMo wanted it to go in February last year, he is manipulating Gladys Chickleberry from behind the scenes, Dr Chant has no say in this, NSW CHO operates under different rules than the Vict & Qld CHO's

ScoMo wanted it to run free last year and go with the herd immunity thing, but backed down from pressure/backlash from his back-benchers and the public, now he has a Premier to manipulate and ALL of Australia and New Zealand are suffering the consequences

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Proof of the covid vacinations to attend race events?    SPC and Qantas to make covid vaccinations compulsory to work for them, now event organisers are doing the same. A stert of things to come across Australia for 2022.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-20/no-jab-no-jive-big-bash-outback-music-festivals-covid-vaccine/100389114?fbclid=IwAR0kwAEx_OqOQtY0YZiv8EOMBH-yIs_tq4xBCmMCKyH_mgTI9qEgYrk2JEI

From personal experience running Race Meetings, albeit at a lower level:

It is much easier and much cheaper to run without spectators or have significant spectator areas closed.

The problem for Bathurst will be flaggies and volunteer support personnel. They come from far and wide and at the moment far and wide are reluctant to have them return.



LATER INFORMATION:

QuoteThe effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine against Covid-19 declines faster than that of the AstraZeneca jab, according to a new study published on Thursday.

"Two doses of Pfizer-BioNTech have greater initial effectiveness against new Covid-19 infections, but this declines faster compared with two doses of Oxford-AstraZeneca," researchers at Oxford University said.

Not unusually, I cannot name the brand of inoculation that I have received against, TB, Polio. Flu, Shingles, Influenza (multi types dependent on age) etc. etc. etc. not to mention multiple substances injected during operations

Anyone who considers that I have any concerns about whatever the Doctors stick into my arm is totally mistaken. I am still alive and at three score years and ten, plus. I probably have no right to be.

If people don't want vaccine or only want a particular brand. stiff ****!!!!

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/pfizer-effectiveness-declines-faster-than-az-new-study/news-story/3050640a0795278d3e7f9c51810816d3

Great couple of videos from this bloke (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ga3Lgjvu0c) who usually sticks to auto expertise!

Regional Vic back into lockdown, same restrictions as Melbourne but without the curfew.

NSW skipping the odd numbers for 822.

We need a secure place where all these protestors (the vast majority who don't wear masks) can go and live to show us how they will deal with things when a couple of infected ones share their germs around.

Quote from: LG on August 21, 2021, 03:30:40 PM
We need a secure place where all these protestors (the vast majority who don't wear masks) can go and live to show us how they will deal with things when a couple of infected ones share their germs around.

I though maybe a remote camp in the Tanami Desert, where they are supplied with tents, surplus Army ration packs and water, dropped of by helicopter.

But WA wouldn't like that.

Surely there is some remote place in NSW, as there is in Queensland, SA and NT.

Victoria would be a problem as it is so relatively tiny, the same size as Bob Katter's electorate and a lot less than a few others.

Oh yes: They should not be allowed to leave until their camping fees are paid, a bit like the debtor's prisons in Charles Dickens novels.

Some might feel that bringing back flogging just might be a step too far. ;D

Quote from: LG on August 21, 2021, 03:30:40 PM
We need a secure place where all these protestors (the vast majority who don't wear masks) can go and live to show us how they will deal with things when a couple of infected ones share their germs around.

My daughter said yesterday that the police need to spray them from one of their water cannon trucks with blue dye that stays on their skin for a week or more - now that would be fun

There are no water cannon vehicles in use by any police force in Australia. NSW was the only police force that had one, but gave it to Fire & Rescue for use as a water tanker after not having used it in the 12-13 years they had it.

Quote from: Zac on August 22, 2021, 07:27:41 AM
There are no water cannon vehicles in use by any police force in Australia. NSW was the only police force that had one, but gave it to Fire & Rescue for use as a water tanker after not having used it in the 12-13 years they had it.

Maybe they could borrow it back.  ;D

Concerning events in Israel which are a view into the future for australia.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-21/israel-shows-what-life-looks-like-at-80-per-cent-vaccinated/100394760

Majority of cases from children though, so hopefully they become eligible at younger ages here in the near future.

We will be living with covid like we do with the flu, the question is whether it will mutate into something more dangerous.

The worry is that Australia is littered with this filth:

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NSW passes 10K cases today.

It's truly wonderful to see NSW Government departments co-operating to combat Covid-19 spread.. NOT TRUE >:(

QuoteNSW Health is refusing to provide information to police about an allegedly illegal gathering that occurred in the Sydney suburb of Maroubra, which has resulted in at least 16 cases of Covid-19 and numerous exposure sites to emerge in the local government area.

The Australian has established that police have requested information about the August 14 event from NSW Health, including the address where it occurred and the names of the attendees.

These details have not been provided and police said in a statement they remain willing to investigate the matter once the details are forthcoming.

"When information is provided about positive cases in the community, police will be responsive and take appropriate steps to limit the spread of the virus, in line with the Public Health Order requirements," a spokesperson said.

Health Minister Brad Hazzard said on Saturday that up to 60 people attended the event and expressed anger at those who had defied health orders across the state. Mr Hazzard has been contacted for comment.

Police Minister David Elliott told The Australian: "It's very frustrating NSW Health are not forthcoming with information given police are simply trying to enforce Health's own public health orders."

...

NSW Health has declined requests from NSW Police to provide details of individuals who attended illegal gatherings or breach the public health orders.

This includes a funeral that occurred in the Sydney suburb of Pendle Hill, in July, that resulted in almost 50 people contracting Covid-19.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/nsw-health-refuses-to-reveal-details-of-illegal-maroubra-gathering-to-cops/news-story/f03b327527cc1b9d03f96682991ec509

Incidently, it seems appropriate that the health Minister is named "HAZZARD"




Re protests, after watching tonight's riots:

Maybe the police could use paintball guns, but with the dye banks use for robberies.

Then anyone with masks will have an undyed part on their face.

Others get fined or locked up. or both.

Quote from: stevo qld on August 22, 2021, 12:52:23 PM
It's truly wonderful to see NSW Government departments co-operating to combat Covid-19 spread.. NOT TRUE >:(

QuoteNSW Health is refusing to provide information to police about an allegedly illegal gathering that occurred in the Sydney suburb of Maroubra, which has resulted in at least 16 cases of Covid-19 and numerous exposure sites to emerge in the local government area.

The Australian has established that police have requested information about the August 14 event from NSW Health, including the address where it occurred and the names of the attendees.

These details have not been provided and police said in a statement they remain willing to investigate the matter once the details are forthcoming.

"When information is provided about positive cases in the community, police will be responsive and take appropriate steps to limit the spread of the virus, in line with the Public Health Order requirements," a spokesperson said.

Health Minister Brad Hazzard said on Saturday that up to 60 people attended the event and expressed anger at those who had defied health orders across the state. Mr Hazzard has been contacted for comment.

Police Minister David Elliott told The Australian: "It's very frustrating NSW Health are not forthcoming with information given police are simply trying to enforce Health's own public health orders."

...

NSW Health has declined requests from NSW Police to provide details of individuals who attended illegal gatherings or breach the public health orders.

This includes a funeral that occurred in the Sydney suburb of Pendle Hill, in July, that resulted in almost 50 people contracting Covid-19.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/nsw-health-refuses-to-reveal-details-of-illegal-maroubra-gathering-to-cops/news-story/f03b327527cc1b9d03f96682991ec509

Incidently, it seems appropriate that the health Minister is named "HAZZARD"




Re protests, after watching tonight's riots:

Maybe the police could use paintball guns, but with the dye banks use for robberies.

Then anyone with masks will have an undyed part on their face.

Others get fined or locked up. or both.

Could always shoot Darts loaded up with Covid and tranquillisers then dump them in offshore detention centres.

and so it appears that some NSW person or people went to Shepparton, and now there is an outbreak - I hope the ****s are happy with their decision

UPDATE

Shepparton case came from the Glenroy cluster

The original rumour had people from Melbourne in Shepp for a funeral, that appears to be the case - they are to confirm

50% of GVHealth staff at Shepparton are home isolating hence the need to bring in health workers from other locations and the military

Supermarkets are either closed or opening with significantly reduced hours due to staffing issues

50 people in Shepparton and 16 people in outlying areas now infected.  All because some wanker from Glenroy (Melbourne) couldn't stay home

>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

NSW to Vic border lock is useless, cars just take the opposite route to the road block.

Quote from: Troy01505 on August 28, 2021, 09:17:19 AM
NSW to Vic border lock is useless, cars just take the opposite route to the road block.

I live in Wodonga (Vic) and work in Albury (NSW).  in 23 trips since lockdown have been pulled over at checkpoint 4 times.  Waved thru every other time.  Not sure if number plate recognition / reporting is playing a hand in this. All NSW/QLD rego cars being pulled over, most Vic going straight thru

I take the link rd regularly and at least 10 times so far when the block is on the freeway cars have taken link rd and then done a u-turn to head down to rejoin the freeway at high st.

I also have cars registered in both states due to garaged address and owning so many and only get pulled up with full NSW registration, Vic reg and NSW Club reg get waved straight through.

Quote from: Troy01505 on August 28, 2021, 11:09:32 AM
I take the link rd regularly and at least 10 times so far when the block is on the freeway cars have taken link rd and then done a u-turn to head down to rejoin the freeway at high st.

I also have cars registered in both states due to garaged address and owning so many and only get pulled up with full NSW registration, Vic reg and NSW Club reg get waved straight through.

Didn't realise any other members lived round here.  Albury or Wodonga Troy?

The NSW Government have ****ed up. Not so much the explosion of case numbers, but where the cases are. The idea of reallocating vaccines from the bush to ensure that Sydney school kids can do their HSC has worked wonders, because guess where the cases are?

Places were there is next to no healthcare, and places where some parts of the Indigenous community are a little apprehensive to use non Indigenous health services.

They've done well. It was going to happen at some point, but it could've at least been minimised to a degree.

Quote from: fordman on August 29, 2021, 06:24:41 AM

And we cannot make vaccinations mandatory  the unvaccinated will have to eventually "risk it" we cannot have 90% of the country live under lockdowns because of a few. if we do not open at 80 WHEN? knowing 100 is not possible.

All medical advice says that the vaccine alone will not be enough. The government target is 80% of people aged 16+. That leaves out million of children that have zero control catching covid and pass it along.

Quote from: fordman on August 29, 2021, 06:29:28 AM

now we should move this to the political section as its way way off topic. States have seen the report no evidence anything is being held back. As for targets is hitting some good one now. We are still better than other countries ATM despite the blinkered media.

But it is being filtered through politics. Are we better than other countries? Being down the bottom for vaccinations in developed countries doesn't inspire confidence. The US fully vaccinated the Aussie population in a matter of weeks. We are six months into our program and we scratching for supply, Just 33% of 16+ have been fully vaccinated.

an interesting perspective from Betty (copied from her facebook page)

Before my father died , he built , the Sydney Jewish Museum.
my husband and I worked physically , on this museum, for a few years, in my job there , I saw hundreds if not thousands of pictures of people in camps , people in their everyday life and people who loved their country , fought for their country through the generations , and gave everything they had to it .
from all over Europe.
I was lucky enough to be the voice of the introduction video, and work at the museum , giving lectures to school children.
It was a wonderous time , talking to kids who had no idea , about WW2, besides our soldiers , and what Australia did, during that time .
The most common question asked by the kids , was something that i enjoyed answering in a very unusual way. It was an amphitheatre , so the rows got higher and higher as you went up.
I would find the biggest boyor girl  who was sitting at the end of the row and while not answering their question , would gently tap this boy (or girl) on their arm, with a newspaper , while carrying on with my lecture , every 5 minutes i would increase the tapping by just a little, till with 10 minutes to go I would  just stop.
Then walk down to the stage and ask for silence, and say "I will answer your question " I asked the boy or girl to come down and stand by me , and when they did you could see the massive difference in height , and structure (was thinner then) .
Then I would ask the teachers to stand , and sit , the kids friends stand and sit , and then ask them, Why didnt you teachers stop me from tapping this students arm, you are their guardians while they are away from school and you just sat there? I asked his friends why did you just sit there and let me tap your friend on the arm for nearlly an hour ? No one said a word.
then one girl or someone in the audience would say
"Because your in charge "..
I would ask them if they thought , that all 50 or 60 of them could of stopped me from tapping , and they laughed and said yes, and I said "but you didnt " you didnt want to be the first in trouble , the first to rock the boat . You became sheep and followed the shepard.
That is why in answer to your question of why didnt the concentration camp inmates charge the guards , as the ratio was probaly 1 guard to a couple of hundred inmates, at the best , they didnt .
No one wanted to be the first to die , the first to make trouble , (there were groups in the camps helping each other and acting as a kind of resistance , read up on it if you want ), but on the whole , they knew they would be punished, privileges taken away.
if they actually lived, through it .Now why am I telling you this story , because A) my father was an amazing man who was thrown in jail (which later became the concentration camp) for listening to the BBC.
😎 his family and friends were put on lists, didnt have the right papers , were kept in their homes, needed permits to work, were segregated from society because they were different .C) Watched while their friends and neighbours could lead a normal life , because they had the right papers.
They were put on a list .My 2 Aunties, had numbers tattooed on their arms ,from being in the camps, they were marked for life , as being different . my grandmother and uncle were led to the gas chambers . They unlawfully had their rights strippped from them.
and while this was happening, their neighbours and friends let it happen , not all , but the majority.
Violence is never an answer , it is never the way to solve a societies problems . but
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good people to do nothing ."
I am telling you this because I cant get the vaccine , I am allergic to some of the compounds in the vaccine .But the goverment will put me with ever other person, who isnt vaccinated, who have been told they have a choice,( and i believe we all have a choice ) but what kind of a choice is it,1 to be vaxed and go down path  to freedom and the lifting of restrictions , or 2 be unvaxed and rot in your homes , not much of a choice.I believe in choice and not being punished for it , do the non vaxed need to look over their shoulders for the Authorities,how long before the knock on the door comes . we are in lockdown , which is an unusual word for our government to use , look it up, it is a word to say that prisoners, have been put in their cells for a time , due to a disturbance.
As an Australian and a proud one , my whole world has turned around , will I ever see my grand daughters who live in the U.S, probably not , will I go to a restaurant for my birthday with my kids and their families , probably not .
Will I ever get back to track to watch my team race , probably not . will I walk among fans and talk about our shared love of motorsport ,  definately not.
And the sad thing is I dont understand why, if your jabbed, the only difference is that you may not end up in hospital, and most probably wont die . the vaxed can catch it , spread it , just like the unvaxed.
We have allowed ourselves to be divided.
We each have our own, problems at a time like this , but it is beyond a joke,when  people are living on nothing , where once they had jobs and a good life ,they now have nothing ,  this has to stop, my 6mth old granson has never seen another child , we are damaging an entire generation .where once we had a culture of sticking up for each other , being Aussies, little battlers, we are now Karens, medical experts and sheep.
This is not my Australia , that Australia is waiting to come back, and I for one hope that is soon.
Stop the madness ,  it seems , we are all in this together, as long as we pick door 1.
Betty

One really good outcome of the Covid-19 crisis will be the population shift from overcrowded Sydney and Melbourne to regional towns, that need a larger population, and to the larger states which currently have less problems and they need more regional population, particularly Northern Australian regions.

I will be interesting to see the next major electorate redistribution after it settles down.

Quote from: Sonic on August 29, 2021, 11:54:29 AM
an interesting perspective from Betty (copied from her facebook page)

Before my father died , he built , the Sydney Jewish Museum.
my husband and I worked physically , on this museum, for a few years, in my job there , I saw hundreds if not thousands of pictures of people in camps , people in their everyday life and people who loved their country , fought for their country through the generations , and gave everything they had to it .
from all over Europe.
I was lucky enough to be the voice of the introduction video, and work at the museum , giving lectures to school children.
It was a wonderous time , talking to kids who had no idea , about WW2, besides our soldiers , and what Australia did, during that time .
The most common question asked by the kids , was something that i enjoyed answering in a very unusual way. It was an amphitheatre , so the rows got higher and higher as you went up.
I would find the biggest boyor girl  who was sitting at the end of the row and while not answering their question , would gently tap this boy (or girl) on their arm, with a newspaper , while carrying on with my lecture , every 5 minutes i would increase the tapping by just a little, till with 10 minutes to go I would  just stop.
Then walk down to the stage and ask for silence, and say "I will answer your question " I asked the boy or girl to come down and stand by me , and when they did you could see the massive difference in height , and structure (was thinner then) .
Then I would ask the teachers to stand , and sit , the kids friends stand and sit , and then ask them, Why didnt you teachers stop me from tapping this students arm, you are their guardians while they are away from school and you just sat there? I asked his friends why did you just sit there and let me tap your friend on the arm for nearlly an hour ? No one said a word.
then one girl or someone in the audience would say
"Because your in charge "..
I would ask them if they thought , that all 50 or 60 of them could of stopped me from tapping , and they laughed and said yes, and I said "but you didnt " you didnt want to be the first in trouble , the first to rock the boat . You became sheep and followed the shepard.
That is why in answer to your question of why didnt the concentration camp inmates charge the guards , as the ratio was probaly 1 guard to a couple of hundred inmates, at the best , they didnt .
No one wanted to be the first to die , the first to make trouble , (there were groups in the camps helping each other and acting as a kind of resistance , read up on it if you want ), but on the whole , they knew they would be punished, privileges taken away.
if they actually lived, through it .Now why am I telling you this story , because A) my father was an amazing man who was thrown in jail (which later became the concentration camp) for listening to the BBC.
😎 his family and friends were put on lists, didnt have the right papers , were kept in their homes, needed permits to work, were segregated from society because they were different .C) Watched while their friends and neighbours could lead a normal life , because they had the right papers.
They were put on a list .My 2 Aunties, had numbers tattooed on their arms ,from being in the camps, they were marked for life , as being different . my grandmother and uncle were led to the gas chambers . They unlawfully had their rights strippped from them.
and while this was happening, their neighbours and friends let it happen , not all , but the majority.
Violence is never an answer , it is never the way to solve a societies problems . but
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good people to do nothing ."
I am telling you this because I cant get the vaccine , I am allergic to some of the compounds in the vaccine .But the goverment will put me with ever other person, who isnt vaccinated, who have been told they have a choice,( and i believe we all have a choice ) but what kind of a choice is it,1 to be vaxed and go down path  to freedom and the lifting of restrictions , or 2 be unvaxed and rot in your homes , not much of a choice.I believe in choice and not being punished for it , do the non vaxed need to look over their shoulders for the Authorities,how long before the knock on the door comes . we are in lockdown , which is an unusual word for our government to use , look it up, it is a word to say that prisoners, have been put in their cells for a time , due to a disturbance.
As an Australian and a proud one , my whole world has turned around , will I ever see my grand daughters who live in the U.S, probably not , will I go to a restaurant for my birthday with my kids and their families , probably not .
Will I ever get back to track to watch my team race , probably not . will I walk among fans and talk about our shared love of motorsport ,  definately not.
And the sad thing is I dont understand why, if your jabbed, the only difference is that you may not end up in hospital, and most probably wont die . the vaxed can catch it , spread it , just like the unvaxed.
We have allowed ourselves to be divided.
We each have our own, problems at a time like this , but it is beyond a joke,when  people are living on nothing , where once they had jobs and a good life ,they now have nothing ,  this has to stop, my 6mth old granson has never seen another child , we are damaging an entire generation .where once we had a culture of sticking up for each other , being Aussies, little battlers, we are now Karens, medical experts and sheep.
This is not my Australia , that Australia is waiting to come back, and I for one hope that is soon.
Stop the madness ,  it seems , we are all in this together, as long as we pick door 1.
Betty

That's why it is ever so important to limit the spread, cut the lines of transmission until such a time enough of the population is vaccinated to protect the "Bettys" who can't have the vaccine.

Covid is not someone tapping someone else on the arm or a guard at a gate. It doesn't care what or who you are. You can't go up to it and ask it to stop. These BS comparison do nothing to help anyone other than creates the division it claims to abhor. 

We all can't do a lot of things right now. One thing we can do is keep ourselve and our loved ones safe by not spreading the ****ing covid.

Quote from: stevo qld on August 29, 2021, 01:07:01 PM
One really good outcome of the Covid-19 crisis will be the population shift from overcrowded Sydney and Melbourne to regional towns, that need a larger population, and to the larger states which currently have less problems and they need more regional population, particularly Northern Australian regions.

I will be interesting to see the next major electorate redistribution after it settles down.

How quickly they will find out how neglected the regional areas are. Entire metropolitan suburbs would have relocate to change votes out here.

Quote from: AlbertM on August 29, 2021, 01:11:41 PM

Quote from: Sonic on August 29, 2021, 11:54:29 AM
an interesting perspective from Betty (copied from her facebook page)

Before my father died , he built , the Sydney Jewish Museum.
my husband and I worked physically , on this museum, for a few years, in my job there , I saw hundreds if not thousands of pictures of people in camps , people in their everyday life and people who loved their country , fought for their country through the generations , and gave everything they had to it .
from all over Europe.
I was lucky enough to be the voice of the introduction video, and work at the museum , giving lectures to school children.
It was a wonderous time , talking to kids who had no idea , about WW2, besides our soldiers , and what Australia did, during that time .
The most common question asked by the kids , was something that i enjoyed answering in a very unusual way. It was an amphitheatre , so the rows got higher and higher as you went up.
I would find the biggest boyor girl  who was sitting at the end of the row and while not answering their question , would gently tap this boy (or girl) on their arm, with a newspaper , while carrying on with my lecture , every 5 minutes i would increase the tapping by just a little, till with 10 minutes to go I would  just stop.
Then walk down to the stage and ask for silence, and say "I will answer your question " I asked the boy or girl to come down and stand by me , and when they did you could see the massive difference in height , and structure (was thinner then) .
Then I would ask the teachers to stand , and sit , the kids friends stand and sit , and then ask them, Why didnt you teachers stop me from tapping this students arm, you are their guardians while they are away from school and you just sat there? I asked his friends why did you just sit there and let me tap your friend on the arm for nearlly an hour ? No one said a word.
then one girl or someone in the audience would say
"Because your in charge "..
I would ask them if they thought , that all 50 or 60 of them could of stopped me from tapping , and they laughed and said yes, and I said "but you didnt " you didnt want to be the first in trouble , the first to rock the boat . You became sheep and followed the shepard.
That is why in answer to your question of why didnt the concentration camp inmates charge the guards , as the ratio was probaly 1 guard to a couple of hundred inmates, at the best , they didnt .
No one wanted to be the first to die , the first to make trouble , (there were groups in the camps helping each other and acting as a kind of resistance , read up on it if you want ), but on the whole , they knew they would be punished, privileges taken away.
if they actually lived, through it .Now why am I telling you this story , because A) my father was an amazing man who was thrown in jail (which later became the concentration camp) for listening to the BBC.
😎 his family and friends were put on lists, didnt have the right papers , were kept in their homes, needed permits to work, were segregated from society because they were different .C) Watched while their friends and neighbours could lead a normal life , because they had the right papers.
They were put on a list .My 2 Aunties, had numbers tattooed on their arms ,from being in the camps, they were marked for life , as being different . my grandmother and uncle were led to the gas chambers . They unlawfully had their rights strippped from them.
and while this was happening, their neighbours and friends let it happen , not all , but the majority.
Violence is never an answer , it is never the way to solve a societies problems . but
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good people to do nothing ."
I am telling you this because I cant get the vaccine , I am allergic to some of the compounds in the vaccine .But the goverment will put me with ever other person, who isnt vaccinated, who have been told they have a choice,( and i believe we all have a choice ) but what kind of a choice is it,1 to be vaxed and go down path  to freedom and the lifting of restrictions , or 2 be unvaxed and rot in your homes , not much of a choice.I believe in choice and not being punished for it , do the non vaxed need to look over their shoulders for the Authorities,how long before the knock on the door comes . we are in lockdown , which is an unusual word for our government to use , look it up, it is a word to say that prisoners, have been put in their cells for a time , due to a disturbance.
As an Australian and a proud one , my whole world has turned around , will I ever see my grand daughters who live in the U.S, probably not , will I go to a restaurant for my birthday with my kids and their families , probably not .
Will I ever get back to track to watch my team race , probably not . will I walk among fans and talk about our shared love of motorsport ,  definately not.
And the sad thing is I dont understand why, if your jabbed, the only difference is that you may not end up in hospital, and most probably wont die . the vaxed can catch it , spread it , just like the unvaxed.
We have allowed ourselves to be divided.
We each have our own, problems at a time like this , but it is beyond a joke,when  people are living on nothing , where once they had jobs and a good life ,they now have nothing ,  this has to stop, my 6mth old granson has never seen another child , we are damaging an entire generation .where once we had a culture of sticking up for each other , being Aussies, little battlers, we are now Karens, medical experts and sheep.
This is not my Australia , that Australia is waiting to come back, and I for one hope that is soon.
Stop the madness ,  it seems , we are all in this together, as long as we pick door 1.
Betty

That's why it is ever so important to limit the spread, cut the lines of transmission until such a time enough of the population is vaccinated to protect the "Bettys" who can't have the vaccine.

Covid is not someone tapping someone else on the arm or a guard at a gate. It doesn't care what or who you are. You can't go up to it and ask it to stop. These BS comparison do nothing to help anyone other than creates the division it claims to abhor. 

We all can't do a lot of things right now. One thing we can do is keep ourselve and our loved ones safe by not spreading the ****ing covid.

Agree.
Madness is allowing the virus to spread unchecked before communities have done what they can to get to a position where the number of deaths will he acceptable.

I get my motor racing information from sources I believe to be knowledgeable about motor racing.
I get my medical information from sources I believe are qualified in medicine.

A few people died and, recently, most were in their 80's, and that is a shame, if they indeed died solely of Covid-19.

Fact if life: people in their 80's are often on borrowed time and it is convenient for Doctors to simply blame Covid-19 for death instead of the many, many. many, many other health complications out there.

This also applies even to people who have exceeded their four score and ten years on this planet.

On the previous incantation of this Forum, it was fashionable for Millennials (whatever that means) to whinge and whine about how privileged Boomers are.

Very shortly many Boomers are on the way out and our $millions of property and Superannuation will pass on down the line. We cannot take it with us.

So much for hubris:

The fact is that even though elderly people are allegedly dying of Covid-19, there are actually less elderly people in Nursing Homes, in total, dying than in pre Covid-19 times.

Millennials will just have to wait a little longer for their windfall.

Maybe that is a factor in the considerable opposition to prioritising vaccinations to over 70's, in Stage 1b,

"Convenient for doctors to blame covid."


More likely convenient for someone to spin a baseless theory that it's convenient for doctors.

speaking of 'spin', that NSW team that faces the media everyday have nearly mastered it, although the Premier yesterday went a little of script and contradicted herself

Quote from: stevo qld on August 29, 2021, 09:47:22 PM
A few people died and, recently, most were in their 80's, and that is a shame, if they indeed died solely of Covid-19.

Fact if life: people in their 80's are often on borrowed time and it is convenient for Doctors to simply blame Covid-19 for death instead of the many, many. many, many other health complications out there.

That's not convenience, it's standard scientific practice. Same as when the majority of deaths during the 1918 flu pandemic were due to secondary bacterial infection and not influenza directly, but still counted. A few people were probably going to catch those bacterial infections anyway due to the hygiene of the time.

During and after a pandemic, excess mortality is the calculation that gives a better picture of the true death toll of the event. But that also means things like increased death from starvation get counted as pandemic deaths, eg. COVID-19 disrupting the food supply chain in India.

I am not sure if it is true, but apparently NSW are only going to release figures weekly or monthly, I can't remember. The bull-**** spin is not working so they are trying a different tact

Trump playbook. Don't acknowledge anything, it never happened.  Next they will blame the testing for high cases.

Dr Chant announced today they are pulling all the Pfizer from regional NSW to give to Sydney. That leaves no mRNA vaccines available for the country folk.

Wouldn't have anything to do with Pfizers 3 weeks between doses, would it? 70-80% of the states population is in greater Sydney. It's Gladys and Co way of reaching the vaccination target quicker. Once again the regions are sacrificed for political expediency.

For the Vaccine Snobs, there is a lot of Pfizer on the way. Plenty of Vaxzevria available for the rest. (September starts in a few hours.)

QuoteScott Morrison has announced that 500,000 Pfizer doses will become available in September, after an agreement for a swap deal was reached with the Singaporean government.

"It's a dose swap deal which simply means we're taking the 500,000 they have now, so we can put that into our distribution this month coming in September and we will provide them with 500,000 in December," the Prime Minister told a press conference on Tuesday morning.

"That means there are 500,000 doses extra that will happen in September that otherwise would have had to wait for several months from now accelerating our vaccination program at this critical time."

Mr Morrison thanked his Singaporean counterpart Lee Hsien Loong, Mr Hunt and Foreign Minister Marise Payne, who had "worked closely" to deliver the deal.

"I'll announce further arrangements once we're in a position to do so. I said, I'd leave no stone unturned on this and this is further demonstration that that has been the focus of the government," Mr Morrison said.

Ms Payne said the deal represented a "constructive and flexible" way for governments to work together in managing Covid-19, as she underlined the importance of the country's diplomatic capabilities in "protecting all Australians".

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/half-a-million-moderna-doses-headed-for-australia/news-story/2641baa8aab80da14b372259d194eb4d

QuoteSingapore will soon send half a million Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine doses to Australia as part of a "vaccine swap" between the two countries, delivering a boost to the nation's vaccination program.

Key points:
The doses will arrive this week and be distributed next week
Australia will send half a million doses back to Singapore in December
The extra Pfizer will be distributed evenly around the country
Under the agreement, Australia will receive 500,000 Pfizer doses that are due to expire.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the doses would arrive this week, to be rolled out across Australia from next week, and would be shared equally with all states and territories on the basis of population.

"We need to vaccinate the whole country and we need for those doses to go from one end of the country to the other and for them to be taken up," he said.

Catch up on the main COVID-19 news from August 31 with a look back at our blog
The federal government will then deliver half a million Pfizer vaccines back to Singapore in December, when Australia is expected to have ample supplies.

"This will greatly assist the national vaccination program as it brings in two important age groups into the program — the 16- to 29-year-olds, which have already begun this week — and, of course, the 12- to 15-year-olds," Mr Morrison said.

"I said I'd leave no stone unturned on this and this is further demonstration that that has been the focus of the government."

Singapore has already fully vaccinated well over 80 per cent of its population against COVID-19 — making it one of the most inoculated countries in the world — and has begun the process of easing restrictions.

In a statement, Singapore's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said it might use the 500,000 returned doses from Australia for booster shots later in the year.

"These returned doses would come in more useful for Singapore then, potentially as booster doses for specific segments of our population that could benefit from such boosting," the ministry said.

Mr Morrison has hailed the vaccine swap as an example of international cooperation, saying Australia and Singapore were working together to make sure vaccines were used before they expire.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/pfizer-doses-availability-australia-singapore-covid-19/100421462

Quote from: AlbertM on August 31, 2021, 09:06:42 PM
Dr Chant announced today they are pulling all the Pfizer from regional NSW to give to Sydney. That leaves no mRNA vaccines available for the country folk.

Wouldn't have anything to do with Pfizers 3 weeks between doses, would it? 70-80% of the states population is in greater Sydney. It's Gladys and Co way of reaching the vaccination target quicker. Once again the regions are sacrificed for political expediency.

they are not playing from the same hymn book as SloMo & Co then, Gladys is happy to piss off the country voters, she is not as worried about the next State and Federal election as SloMo is

I laughed yesterday when Dan was questioned about the 500,000 new doses SloMo got from Singapore, he said 'well our 25% will go a long way' - his sarcasm makes me smile

Won't it be great to get back to some sort of normality - but it might a bit of the 'have's' and have not's' - vaccinations I mean - the vaccinated go places the un-vaccinated can't - it will be interesting for sure

Quote from: stevo qld on August 31, 2021, 11:41:04 PM
For the Vaccine Snobs, there is a lot of Pfizer on the way. Plenty of Vaxzevria available for the rest. (September starts in a few hours.)

It helps but that's not "a lot" of Pfizer. It doses <0.5% of our population. 

Quote from: Trevor on September 01, 2021, 05:51:34 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on August 31, 2021, 09:06:42 PM
Dr Chant announced today they are pulling all the Pfizer from regional NSW to give to Sydney. That leaves no mRNA vaccines available for the country folk.

Wouldn't have anything to do with Pfizers 3 weeks between doses, would it? 70-80% of the states population is in greater Sydney. It's Gladys and Co way of reaching the vaccination target quicker. Once again the regions are sacrificed for political expediency.

they are not playing from the same hymn book as SloMo & Co then, Gladys is happy to piss off the country voters, she is not as worried about the next State and Federal election as SloMo is

Up to 70% primary vote for the NSW LNP out here. There is no danger of them losing an election and she knows it.

Quote from: Trevor on September 01, 2021, 05:53:12 AM
I laughed yesterday when Dan was questioned about the 500,000 new doses SloMo got from Singapore, he said 'well our 25% will go a long way' - his sarcasm makes me smile

This just shows what a smart arse Dan is.
The correct answer should have been "Thank You"!

Quote from: AlbertM on September 01, 2021, 11:07:51 AM

Quote from: stevo qld on August 31, 2021, 11:41:04 PM
For the Vaccine Snobs, there is a lot of Pfizer on the way. Plenty of Vaxzevria available for the rest. (September starts in a few hours.)

It helps but that's not "a lot" of Pfizer. It doses <0.5% of our population.

So, would you rather we didn't have them?

By the way, the Media tout Singapore for having reached 80% but that's on a population less than a quarter of Australia.

So we are approaching double dosed Australian numbers at about double their rate.

But: 500,000 will surely help the vaccine snobs and those with medical reasons.


Have a look at these figures. 19,362,666 doses administered as of yesterday.
https://covidlive.com.au/vaccinations

Still plenty of Vaxzevria available if anyone really wants them. Readily available Chemists around here, so why would it no be so under Chairman Dan?

Quote from: stevo qld on August 31, 2021, 11:41:04 PM
So, would you rather we didn't have them?

.......

But: 500,000 will surely help the vaccine snobs and those with medical reasons.

Missed the part where I said "It helps..."? Because they were the first two words of my reply. Several million doses would be "a lot".

It is not snobbery when the health advice is recommending over half the population take mRNA vaccines.  People in regional areas have underlying health issues too that limits them from taking AZ. The governments screwed up the health advice over AZ, confused so many and they wonder why there is hesitancy. AZ is to be phased out in the next couple of months when Moderna and more Pfizer arrive.

Dictator Dan is right to scoff. It is a failure of the Morrison government to secure enough vaccine earlier. Now we are scrapping up what ever left overs there are, getting it in dribs and drabs when it is a race to get people vaccinated before everyone catches Covid.

There are some great points raised in this piece:

https://borismihailovic.com/covid-in-wilcannia-what-will-it-take-to-infuriate-you/ (https://borismihailovic.com/covid-in-wilcannia-what-will-it-take-to-infuriate-you/)

Quote from: stevo qld on August 29, 2021, 09:47:22 PM
A few people died and, recently, most were in their 80's, and that is a shame, if they indeed died solely of Covid-19.

Fact if life: people in their 80's are often on borrowed time and it is convenient for Doctors to simply blame Covid-19 for death instead of the many, many. many, many other health complications out there.

This also applies even to people who have exceeded their four score and ten years on this planet.

On the previous incantation of this Forum, it was fashionable for Millennials (whatever that means) to whinge and whine about how privileged Boomers are.

Very shortly many Boomers are on the way out and our $millions of property and Superannuation will pass on down the line. We cannot take it with us.

So much for hubris:

The fact is that even though elderly people are allegedly dying of Covid-19, there are actually less elderly people in Nursing Homes, in total, dying than in pre Covid-19 times.

Millennials will just have to wait a little longer for their windfall.

Maybe that is a factor in the considerable opposition to prioritising vaccinations to over 70's, in Stage 1b,

Guess who is spreading the disease to 'boomers' - well no need to guess

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-cases-by-age-group-and-sex

Just show what a disrespectful pack of bastards 'they' are - they couldn't give a **** about anyone except themselves

Soul crushing for Victoria.  Put in the most work to keep covid at bay. Only to be undermined by Gladys and Scomo.

we had a rise here to 13 today, but apparently all as a result of Day 13 testing, all were supposed to be quarantining so it should be OK

Quote from: CP on September 01, 2021, 11:14:25 PM
There are some great points raised in this piece:

https://borismihailovic.com/covid-in-wilcannia-what-will-it-take-to-infuriate-you/ (https://borismihailovic.com/covid-in-wilcannia-what-will-it-take-to-infuriate-you/)

Boris is certainly an angry lad. Perhaps he could work on his communication skills a bit though.

I know a little of Wilcannia as my missus was doing yearly trips out there heading up a group working with the locals til all the lockdowns started. Like any people with low immunities it will hit them hard :'(

Have to wonder if any jab would be of any use to them anyway or if that would do them just as much to ruin their health as catching the bug. You have to wonder how the hell c19 even got out there? Must have hitched a ride on a road train and then a kangaroo for the next 200km. If they do have it then it was imported somehow which makes it even sadder that someone has taken this to these great people.

Can only pray it doesn't decimate them

It is not a 'jab' anymore, Scotty from Marketing has called it a 'dose of hope' and the media love him for it - FFS!!!!!! does this **** actually get it?

Sorry, you will need Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=search&v=585413159135563&external_log_id=0fa613ef-0e8a-43b4-bbc0-4bc63c7d0ddf&q=media%20bites

Quote from: Trevor on September 03, 2021, 05:40:46 AM
It is not a 'jab' anymore, Scotty from Marketing has called it a 'dose of hope' and the media love him for it - FFS!!!!!! does this **** actually get it?

Sorry, you will need Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=search&v=585413159135563&external_log_id=0fa613ef-0e8a-43b4-bbc0-4bc63c7d0ddf&q=media%20bites

Well if changing tactics helps gets us out of this abortion what's the problem?

Quote from: Trevor on September 02, 2021, 05:58:30 AM

Quote from: stevo qld on August 29, 2021, 09:47:22 PM
A few people died and, recently, most were in their 80's, and that is a shame, if they indeed died solely of Covid-19.

Fact if life: people in their 80's are often on borrowed time and it is convenient for Doctors to simply blame Covid-19 for death instead of the many, many. many, many other health complications out there.

This also applies even to people who have exceeded their four score and ten years on this planet.

On the previous incantation of this Forum, it was fashionable for Millennials (whatever that means) to whinge and whine about how privileged Boomers are.

Very shortly many Boomers are on the way out and our $millions of property and Superannuation will pass on down the line. We cannot take it with us.

So much for hubris:

The fact is that even though elderly people are allegedly dying of Covid-19, there are actually less elderly people in Nursing Homes, in total, dying than in pre Covid-19 times.

Millennials will just have to wait a little longer for their windfall.

Maybe that is a factor in the considerable opposition to prioritising vaccinations to over 70's, in Stage 1b,

Guess who is spreading the disease to 'boomers' - well no need to guess

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-cases-by-age-group-and-sex

Just show what a disrespectful pack of bastards 'they' are - they couldn't give a **** about anyone except themselves

20-50 year olds make up a large percentage of our workforce and also family homes that generally have more members per household. It is no surprise that this age bracket with more in the home and workforce lead to a higher number of cases. It's the most active group of people needing "essential" services.

In saying that, I went to a supermarket last night and I walked straight back out. Just after 9pm and it was jam packed with all ages. Some masks, some without, no social distancing, workers with masks on their chins etc!

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 03, 2021, 07:57:17 AM
Well if changing tactics helps gets us out of this abortion what's the problem?

nah, just more spin-doctoring bull-**** from a totally inept Government - it is called "diverting our view"

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 03, 2021, 08:17:44 AM

In saying that, I went to a supermarket last night and I walked straight back out. Just after 9pm and it was jam packed with all ages. Some masks, some without, no social distancing, workers with masks on their chins etc!

And that is exactly why the spread keeps happening, people are either too complacent, or just don't care about anyone but themselves. 

https://youtu.be/5aX45NwZ1YE

While I hesitate to share anything from ACA. Here is a message for the anti-vaxers.

Vict Gvmt is going to upset the anti-vaxxers big time

They are going to trial letting vaccinated people do stuff anti-vaxxers (or reluctant vaxxers) can't do.  From what I heard it is just a trial for when we hit 80% double dose


Go for it, bloody great idea - why should the vaccinated be held to ransom by the anti-vaxxers or the reluctant vaxxers

Another 4 million vaccines arrive from tomorrow. The Feds are doing some good negotiations with other countries.

Yet, that Socialist Champion of the USA and "Leader of the Free World", Mr Biden (reportedly letting 15 million doses go to waste) would not do a similar deal with their great ally Australia.

QuoteAustralia has secured another 4 million doses of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine in a deal with the UK.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said shipments would arrive in Australia in the coming days and weeks.

"The plane is on the tarmac now. It will be leaving tomorrow," Mr Morrison said.

"Those doses will be coming over the course of the next few weeks, which will see us double the Pfizer doses that we have during September."

It is the second deal Australia has struck with another country this week to receive Pfizer doses.

Earlier Singapore agreed to send 500,000 doses that are about to expire.

Health Minister Greg Hunt said Australia would have "well over" 10 million vaccine doses available this month.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-03/covid-19-vaccine-swap-pfizer-four-million-doses-from-uk/100431828

QuoteThe United States has thrown away at least 15.1 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines since March 1, a report by NBC News has shown

https://news.az/news/us-wastes-15-million-covid-19-vaccine-doses-since-march-report

It would be beneficial for people to actually read the news articles they link, before sharing their uninformed opinion.

Quote from: Trevor on September 03, 2021, 12:25:51 PM
Vict Gvmt is going to upset the anti-vaxxers big time

They are going to trial letting vaccinated people do stuff anti-vaxxers (or reluctant vaxxers) can't do.  From what I heard it is just a trial for when we hit 80% double dose


Go for it, bloody great idea - why should the vaccinated be held to ransom by the anti-vaxxers or the reluctant vaxxers

Alternatively, why not let the unvaccinated do whatever vaccinated people can?

Once vaccinations levels are high enough, and communities open up, the virus will spread among vaccinated people. There's no way to stop that happening. Vaccinated people, as a general rule, won't get severely Ill or die.
If unvaccinated people are allowed to mix & mingle, they will only harm themselves.

It appears to me that restricting the movements of unvaccinated people is only to save them from themselves.

The only downside I see is people who are not anti-vax, but for genuine medical reasons can't get vaccinated.

Quote from: AlbertM on September 03, 2021, 03:22:32 PM
It would be beneficial for people to actually read the news articles they link, before sharing their uninformed opinion.

As for opinions, that is exactly what this whole string is about.
Should any of you actually be qualified as an epidemiologist, then I apologise to you.

Try this one. I thought the request and lack of response was well know. Obviously not.

Morrison requested. Biden didn't respond affirmatively. USA wasted vaccine and Australia didn't get it. 

I don't think that includes an opinion apart from that based on news reports.

QuoteScott Morrison has reportedly pleaded with the Biden administration to send up to 26 million unused vaccine doses Down Under as the nation's Delta strain crisis spirals out of control.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/australia-urges-us-to-send-26-million-vaccine-doses-as-pandemic-spirals-out-of-control/news-story/0ece54936e937756d6b36b19f3d006a7

Quote from: stevo qld on September 03, 2021, 05:02:11 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on September 03, 2021, 03:22:32 PM
It would be beneficial for people to actually read the news articles they link, before sharing their uninformed opinion.

As for opinions, that is exactly what this whole string is about.
Should any of you actually be qualified as an epidemiologist, then I apologise to you.

Try this one. I thought the request and lack of response was well know. Obviously not.

Morrison requested. Biden didn't respond affirmatively. USA wasted vaccine and Australia didn't get it. 

I don't think that includes an opinion apart from that based on news reports.

QuoteScott Morrison has reportedly pleaded with the Biden administration to send up to 26 million unused vaccine doses Down Under as the nation's Delta strain crisis spirals out of control.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/australia-urges-us-to-send-26-million-vaccine-doses-as-pandemic-spirals-out-of-control/news-story/0ece54936e937756d6b36b19f3d006a7

Still haven't read the article, have you?  How is Biden responsible for "cracked vials, errors in diluting vaccines, freezer malfunctions and more doses in a vial than people who want them, with a limited window of a few hours to use a vial once it is punctured." You don't expect the US to send us those doses?

Speaking of facts. It is a fact Morrison delayed getting enough Pfizer in the first place. He waited 4 months and after 1 billion doses were already ordered by 38 other countries. And when he did order it only ordered enough for 5 million people in a country of 27million. He spent more time and effort getting his mate a job at the OECD than getting enough vaccine in the country. Business leaders got so worried that they called on a former Labor PM to do something. Morrison is only making deals now because he failed almost 12 months ago and Delta is out of control in NSW.

As for Biden not responding, he asked us to take climate change seriously. All he got was cold shoulder too.

Quote from: AlbertM on September 03, 2021, 06:55:17 PM

Quote from: stevo qld on September 03, 2021, 05:02:11 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on September 03, 2021, 03:22:32 PM
It would be beneficial for people to actually read the news articles they link, before sharing their uninformed opinion.

As for opinions, that is exactly what this whole string is about.
Should any of you actually be qualified as an epidemiologist, then I apologise to you.

Try this one. I thought the request and lack of response was well know. Obviously not.

Morrison requested. Biden didn't respond affirmatively. USA wasted vaccine and Australia didn't get it. 

I don't think that includes an opinion apart from that based on news reports.

QuoteScott Morrison has reportedly pleaded with the Biden administration to send up to 26 million unused vaccine doses Down Under as the nation's Delta strain crisis spirals out of control.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/australia-urges-us-to-send-26-million-vaccine-doses-as-pandemic-spirals-out-of-control/news-story/0ece54936e937756d6b36b19f3d006a7

Still haven't read the article, have you?  How is Biden responsible for "cracked vials, errors in diluting vaccines, freezer malfunctions and more doses in a vial than people who want them, with a limited window of a few hours to use a vial once it is punctured." You don't expect the US to send us those doses?

Speaking of facts. It is a fact Morrison delayed getting enough Pfizer in the first place. He waited 4 months and after 1 billion doses were already ordered by 38 other countries. And when he did order it only ordered enough for 5 million people in a country of 27million. He spent more time and effort getting his mate a job at the OECD than getting enough vaccine in the country. Business leaders got so worried that they called on a former Labor PM to do something. Morrison is only making deals now because he failed almost 12 months ago and Delta is out of control in NSW.

As for Biden not responding, he asked us to take climate change seriously. All he got was cold shoulder too.

You're trying to find common sense from a conservative.  That's your problem.

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Looks like Delta might be in QLD now thanks to that Truckie.  Lockdown imminent?

Quote from: meha on September 03, 2021, 09:35:35 AM

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 03, 2021, 08:17:44 AM

In saying that, I went to a supermarket last night and I walked straight back out. Just after 9pm and it was jam packed with all ages. Some masks, some without, no social distancing, workers with masks on their chins etc!

And that is exactly why the spread keeps happening, people are either too complacent, or just don't care about anyone but themselves.

People seem to be over living in fear in an area that's had 0 cases for over a year and less then 10 from the beginning. They just don't care anymore. It was predicted to be here within 2 weeks Monday just gone and I wouldn't be surprised if it's here now.

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 03, 2021, 10:58:41 PM

Quote from: meha on September 03, 2021, 09:35:35 AM

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 03, 2021, 08:17:44 AM

In saying that, I went to a supermarket last night and I walked straight back out. Just after 9pm and it was jam packed with all ages. Some masks, some without, no social distancing, workers with masks on their chins etc!

And that is exactly why the spread keeps happening, people are either too complacent, or just don't care about anyone but themselves.

People seem to be over living in fear in an area that's had 0 cases for over a year and less then 10 from the beginning. They just don't care anymore. It was predicted to be here within 2 weeks Monday just gone and I wouldn't be surprised if it's here now.

It's not about living in fear, it's about living in axway that respects the health of others & the wellbeing of your community (economic & physical health).

But it's natural to become complacent when there are no known cases in the area.

With no cases in my region I've been complacent for a long time.

Quote from: Ospif1 on September 03, 2021, 07:55:14 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on September 03, 2021, 06:55:17 PM

Quote from: stevo qld on September 03, 2021, 05:02:11 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on September 03, 2021, 03:22:32 PM
It would be beneficial for people to actually read the news articles they link, before sharing their uninformed opinion.

As for opinions, that is exactly what this whole string is about.
Should any of you actually be qualified as an epidemiologist, then I apologise to you.

Try this one. I thought the request and lack of response was well know. Obviously not.

Morrison requested. Biden didn't respond affirmatively. USA wasted vaccine and Australia didn't get it. 

I don't think that includes an opinion apart from that based on news reports.

QuoteScott Morrison has reportedly pleaded with the Biden administration to send up to 26 million unused vaccine doses Down Under as the nation's Delta strain crisis spirals out of control.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/australia-urges-us-to-send-26-million-vaccine-doses-as-pandemic-spirals-out-of-control/news-story/0ece54936e937756d6b36b19f3d006a7

Still haven't read the article, have you?  How is Biden responsible for "cracked vials, errors in diluting vaccines, freezer malfunctions and more doses in a vial than people who want them, with a limited window of a few hours to use a vial once it is punctured." You don't expect the US to send us those doses?

Speaking of facts. It is a fact Morrison delayed getting enough Pfizer in the first place. He waited 4 months and after 1 billion doses were already ordered by 38 other countries. And when he did order it only ordered enough for 5 million people in a country of 27million. He spent more time and effort getting his mate a job at the OECD than getting enough vaccine in the country. Business leaders got so worried that they called on a former Labor PM to do something. Morrison is only making deals now because he failed almost 12 months ago and Delta is out of control in NSW.

As for Biden not responding, he asked us to take climate change seriously. All he got was cold shoulder too.

You're trying to find common sense from a conservative.  That's your problem.

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Looks like Delta might be in QLD now thanks to that Truckie.  Lockdown imminent?

To suggest that a poster is a "conservative" is member abuse and was not allowed on the old Forum.

Conservative and its opposite, liberal are political and social ideologies. Not an insult.

Quote from: djr18fan on September 04, 2021, 05:56:11 AM

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 03, 2021, 10:58:41 PM

Quote from: meha on September 03, 2021, 09:35:35 AM

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 03, 2021, 08:17:44 AM

In saying that, I went to a supermarket last night and I walked straight back out. Just after 9pm and it was jam packed with all ages. Some masks, some without, no social distancing, workers with masks on their chins etc!

And that is exactly why the spread keeps happening, people are either too complacent, or just don't care about anyone but themselves.

People seem to be over living in fear in an area that's had 0 cases for over a year and less then 10 from the beginning. They just don't care anymore. It was predicted to be here within 2 weeks Monday just gone and I wouldn't be surprised if it's here now.

It's not about living in fear, it's about living in axway that respects the health of others & the wellbeing of your community (economic & physical health).

But it's natural to become complacent when there are no known cases in the area.

With no cases in my region I've been complacent for a long time.

I fear for my elderly Parents. Both over 80, my Mum has health issues. I do everything I can not to bring covid to them.

I just can't imagine life knowing I passed on the virus and changed somebody's life forever.

Quote from: stevo qld on September 04, 2021, 08:13:45 AMTo suggest that a poster is a "conservative" is member abuse and was not allowed on the old Forum.

Wow, what are we now going to call the English Government, maybe Torries is acceptable

Best no-one mention capitalism, socialism or heaven forbid, communism

The Covid thread is closed for a couple of days to let it sink in that it is not a political thread!

Quote from: LG on September 04, 2021, 12:56:59 PM
The Covid thread is closed for a couple of days to let it sink in that it is not a political thread!

Good to see all the idiots fly out of their homes filling shops, bunnings, parks and beaches with all their masks on their chins the first weekend of eased restrictions.

I gotta tell ya I was a bit stunned to see to see so many on the beach in Sydney

Quote from: Trevor on September 13, 2021, 05:48:32 AM
I gotta tell ya I was a bit stunned to see to see so many on the beach in Sydney

The vagaries of photos taken with a telephoto lens.
An overhead shot shows 99% of the people social distancing as required.

it didn't look good - but we know how much we can trust MSM

Well, I got my first dose today, and to be honest, I'm not entirely sure what the fuss was about. Fair enough if you're worried about possible side effects or are absolutely petrified of needles, but the process is fairly straight forward.

Sit down, get jabbed, wait fifteen minutes while you see how it affects you, get your free Chupa Chup and leave.

In saying that, I am currently posting this from Pine Gap, so the 5G tracking chip does seem to work. :)

Oh man, you got a lolly... :)

Yep I got my lollipop last week, had a sore arm for about a day otherwise nothing happened. Biggest pain was the disorganization at the Covid center that I went to. It did not seem to matter when you had booked in they just let you in wherever. Go for my second shot in a couple of weeks and then will be fully 5g capable. 

Quote from: meha on September 16, 2021, 02:43:49 PM
Yep I got my lollipop last week, had a sore arm for about a day otherwise nothing happened. Biggest pain was the disorganization at the Covid center that I went to. It did not seem to matter when you had booked in they just let you in wherever. Go for my second shot in a couple of weeks and then will be fully 5g capable.

I now get better reception then my phone

I had a strange reaction. I'd be walking down the street and shop doors would automatically open as I passed and then close as I walked away. Quite spooky.

Quote from: madbugger on September 16, 2021, 05:40:56 PM
I had a strange reaction. I'd be walking down the street and shop doors would automatically open as I passed and then close as I walked away. Quite spooky.

Wow, I had the opposite and now have to jump on the big pad in front of the door! People say it's because I am short but I know it's the vaccine

I had my first jab the other day. NZ currently up to 37% full vaccinated. What's Aus % like?

45% of 16+.

36% of all.

Our 37% will be people aged 12+ I'd say as NZ's only showing 32% overall. You can compare all countries on this webpage (https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations).

Welp..After 19months, Covid has hit my little country town. Locked down for 7 days.

Interesting in the list of things on the Vic 'Roadmap'... in the November 80% list it says something along the lines of "work from home or you can work on site if double vaxxed"...

So does that mean that every boss in Victoria will need to sack any of their employees in 6 weeks who has not yet been jabbed? It certainly reads that way.

Quote from: Sonic on September 20, 2021, 02:46:55 PM
Interesting in the list of things on the Vic 'Roadmap'... in the November 80% list it says something along the lines of "work from home or you can work on site if double vaxxed"...

So does that mean that every boss in Victoria will need to sack any of their employees in 6 weeks who has not yet been jabbed? It certainly reads that way.

That would depend on the type of work. I recently worked from home for 3 weeks. I know of others who have worked from home for 18 months. Employers happy.

Starting to see a lot more anti-vax facebook related postings lately although it seems they really are in quite the minority given the 85% predictions of vaccinations moving forward.  Once we re-open fully after vaccinations hit the 80% mark it's going to be difficult to avoid being in the vicinity of the virus and I do worry about how many are going to die who are against getting the jab.

That's the thing, that 80% threshold is just 58ish% of the whole population.

Quote from: AlbertM on September 24, 2021, 04:57:33 PM
That's the thing, that 80% threshold is just 58ish% of the whole population.

It will be a moving goalpost as the age of eligibility reduces. As you get closer to to 80% of over 12 year olds, a younger age group becomes eligible.
I don't believe 80% is high enough anyway.

Quote from: Ospif1 on September 23, 2021, 06:13:25 PM
Starting to see a lot more anti-vax facebook related postings lately although it seems they really are in quite the minority given the 85% predictions of vaccinations moving forward.  Once we re-open fully after vaccinations hit the 80% mark it's going to be difficult to avoid being in the vicinity of the virus and I do worry about how many are going to die who are against getting the jab.

Why worry? Their choice.

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 25, 2021, 12:28:45 PM

Quote from: Ospif1 on September 23, 2021, 06:13:25 PM
Starting to see a lot more anti-vax facebook related postings lately although it seems they really are in quite the minority given the 85% predictions of vaccinations moving forward.  Once we re-open fully after vaccinations hit the 80% mark it's going to be difficult to avoid being in the vicinity of the virus and I do worry about how many are going to die who are against getting the jab.

Why worry? Their choice.

Because anti vaxxers will help keep the virus circulating more than it otherwise would, increasing the risk to children & people that are vaccinated but have other issues so are still vulnerable. Besides the fact that while being vaccinated will likely mean you won't die, you'll still be sick and that's a bloody nuisance.

well said djr18fan

Some people are just selfish ****ers, unfortunately it is people my kids age and younger - sorry.  Mind you all my 4 kids and their partners have been vaccinated

Quote from: Ospif1 on September 23, 2021, 06:13:25 PM
Starting to see a lot more anti-vax facebook related postings lately although it seems they really are in quite the minority given the 85% predictions of vaccinations moving forward.  Once we re-open fully after vaccinations hit the 80% mark it's going to be difficult to avoid being in the vicinity of the virus and I do worry about how many are going to die who are against getting the jab.

I worry more for the ones who are vaccinated and are immune suppressed who could still get very very ill and possibly die because of the selfishness of other, others who only care for themselves, not the greater community

Quote from: djr18fan on September 25, 2021, 04:06:49 PM

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 25, 2021, 12:28:45 PM

Quote from: Ospif1 on September 23, 2021, 06:13:25 PM
Starting to see a lot more anti-vax facebook related postings lately although it seems they really are in quite the minority given the 85% predictions of vaccinations moving forward.  Once we re-open fully after vaccinations hit the 80% mark it's going to be difficult to avoid being in the vicinity of the virus and I do worry about how many are going to die who are against getting the jab.

Why worry? Their choice.

Because anti vaxxers will help keep the virus circulating more than it otherwise would, increasing the risk to children & people that are vaccinated but have other issues so are still vulnerable. Besides the fact that while being vaccinated will likely mean you won't die, you'll still be sick and that's a bloody nuisance.

This vaccine is not going to stop the virus, at most it is going to reduce the effects it has on people. No difference to the flu shot. No vaccine in history has a 100% vaccination rate so I'd be happy if we hit the 80% mark.

I have been a close contact 3 times and not contracted the virus. Personal care and hygiene plays a big part in stopping transmission as does wearing masks correctly. At a guess I'd say 20% of people wear masks correctly and sanitise on entry to high traffic stores amd almost no one actually social distances. This alone will reduce transmission rates significantly.

Anti-vaxer rhetoric,  "It doesn't cure anything, so it doesn't work". "I've never caught it, so it can't be that bad."

People like that are pathetic.

Quote from: AlbertM on September 26, 2021, 12:35:49 PM
Anti-vaxer rhetoric,  "It doesn't cure anything, so it doesn't work". "I've never caught it, so it can't be that bad."

People like that are pathetic.

Im fully vaccinated mate, just because I say vaccines aren't cures doesn't mean I am anti vax. I also said I never caught it because of how I approach the situation not because it "isn't that bad". Not hard to do all you can to protect yourself from others stupidity.

Just so you know I support this vaccine 100% but I also think people shouldn't be bullied for personal choice and refusing to get the vaccine.

We should be allowed to get about our normal lives if we are fully vaccinated, maybe then those that aren't but can might actually step up and get jabbed so they are not stuck in bull**** lockdowns.

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 26, 2021, 09:45:50 PM
We should be allowed to get about our normal lives if we are fully vaccinated, maybe then those that aren't but can might actually step up and get jabbed so they are not stuck in bull**** lockdowns.

I hear people cry all the time about bull-**** lock-downs, even the ****head Victorian opposition and business leaders, but not one, not one has come up with an alternative.  I am ****ing sick of hearing people cry about but offer nothing as an alternative. 

It must suck to have a Government concerned with keeping us alive

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 26, 2021, 09:45:50 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on September 26, 2021, 12:35:49 PM
Anti-vaxer rhetoric,  "It doesn't cure anything, so it doesn't work". "I've never caught it, so it can't be that bad."

People like that are pathetic.

Im fully vaccinated mate, just because I say vaccines aren't cures doesn't mean I am anti vax. I also said I never caught it because of how I approach the situation not because it "isn't that bad". Not hard to do all you can to protect yourself from others stupidity.

Just so you know I support this vaccine 100% but I also think people shouldn't be bullied for personal choice and refusing to get the vaccine.

We should be allowed to get about our normal lives if we are fully vaccinated, maybe then those that aren't but can might actually step up and get jabbed so they are not stuck in bull**** lockdowns.

Vaccines do stop viruses. That's what they're for. People that are 100% for vaccines don't go around undermining its purpose.

Not getting vaccinated is the moral equivalent of someone blowing tabbaco smoke in your face.

Quote from: djr18fan on September 25, 2021, 04:06:49 PM

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 25, 2021, 12:28:45 PM

Quote from: Ospif1 on September 23, 2021, 06:13:25 PM
Starting to see a lot more anti-vax facebook related postings lately although it seems they really are in quite the minority given the 85% predictions of vaccinations moving forward.  Once we re-open fully after vaccinations hit the 80% mark it's going to be difficult to avoid being in the vicinity of the virus and I do worry about how many are going to die who are against getting the jab.

Why worry? Their choice.

Because anti vaxxers will help keep the virus circulating more than it otherwise would, increasing the risk to children & people that are vaccinated but have other issues so are still vulnerable. Besides the fact that while being vaccinated will likely mean you won't die, you'll still be sick and that's a bloody nuisance.

Problem with this is that from what the doctors have said it is not true. Everyone is still able to circulate the virus regardless of vax status. Being an anti-vax won't make you any more or less likely to catch or transmit than a vax-hesitant or single-vax or double-vax or whatever jab number we get to. The jab is only alleged to limit the damage it will do to you once you have had it.

It is a bug that we have to live with.

Quote from: Sonic on September 27, 2021, 02:00:58 PM

Quote from: djr18fan on September 25, 2021, 04:06:49 PM

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 25, 2021, 12:28:45 PM

Quote from: Ospif1 on September 23, 2021, 06:13:25 PM
Starting to see a lot more anti-vax facebook related postings lately although it seems they really are in quite the minority given the 85% predictions of vaccinations moving forward.  Once we re-open fully after vaccinations hit the 80% mark it's going to be difficult to avoid being in the vicinity of the virus and I do worry about how many are going to die who are against getting the jab.

Why worry? Their choice.

Because anti vaxxers will help keep the virus circulating more than it otherwise would, increasing the risk to children & people that are vaccinated but have other issues so are still vulnerable. Besides the fact that while being vaccinated will likely mean you won't die, you'll still be sick and that's a bloody nuisance.

Problem with this is that from what the doctors have said it is not true. Everyone is still able to circulate the virus regardless of vax status. Being an anti-vax won't make you any more or less likely to catch or transmit than a vax-hesitant or single-vax or double-vax or whatever jab number we get to. The jab is only alleged to limit the damage it will do to you once you have had it.

It is a bug that we have to live with.

Do you have a link to some report where doctors (specialists in epidemiology preferably) state that vaccinated individuals are just as likely to pass on the virus as unvaccinated individuals. I have ready, many times, the opposite.

Quote from: Sonic on September 27, 2021, 02:00:58 PM

Quote from: djr18fan on September 25, 2021, 04:06:49 PM

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 25, 2021, 12:28:45 PM

Quote from: Ospif1 on September 23, 2021, 06:13:25 PM
Starting to see a lot more anti-vax facebook related postings lately although it seems they really are in quite the minority given the 85% predictions of vaccinations moving forward.  Once we re-open fully after vaccinations hit the 80% mark it's going to be difficult to avoid being in the vicinity of the virus and I do worry about how many are going to die who are against getting the jab.

Why worry? Their choice.

Because anti vaxxers will help keep the virus circulating more than it otherwise would, increasing the risk to children & people that are vaccinated but have other issues so are still vulnerable. Besides the fact that while being vaccinated will likely mean you won't die, you'll still be sick and that's a bloody nuisance.

Problem with this is that from what the doctors have said it is not true. Everyone is still able to circulate the virus regardless of vax status. Being an anti-vax won't make you any more or less likely to catch or transmit than a vax-hesitant or single-vax or double-vax or whatever jab number we get to. The jab is only alleged to limit the damage it will do to you once you have had it.

It is a bug that we have to live with.

Thank god we no longer live with Polio or Smallpox. Yeah?

Diseases circulate because not everyone is vaccinated.  Not because the vaccines are ineffective. Had the same argument with a yank. Claiming masks don't work.  I asked him does he wear one. He said no.  They don't work if you don't use them.

Quote from: Sonic on September 27, 2021, 02:00:58 PM
Being an anti-vax won't make you any more or less likely to catch or transmit than a vax-hesitant or single-vax or double-vax or whatever jab number we get to. The jab is only alleged to limit the damage it will do to you once you have had it.

Even without you knowing that being vaccinated makes you less likely to transmit the virus, you could deduce it from what you just said! If someone is having a lot less damage done to them, that means their immune system is doing a much better job of beating the virus, so they'll get through it faster and won't be shedding the virus for as long. It may also help that they won't be coughing and spluttering nearly as much while they do have it.

Also, that's just considering one person. Since the spread of the virus can be exponential, if each vaccinated person avoids even one instance of infecting someone, that could prevent hundreds or thousands of potential cases.

Quote from: Sonic on September 27, 2021, 02:00:58 PM

Quote from: djr18fan on September 25, 2021, 04:06:49 PM

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 25, 2021, 12:28:45 PM

Quote from: Ospif1 on September 23, 2021, 06:13:25 PM
Starting to see a lot more anti-vax facebook related postings lately although it seems they really are in quite the minority given the 85% predictions of vaccinations moving forward.  Once we re-open fully after vaccinations hit the 80% mark it's going to be difficult to avoid being in the vicinity of the virus and I do worry about how many are going to die who are against getting the jab.

Why worry? Their choice.

Because anti vaxxers will help keep the virus circulating more than it otherwise would, increasing the risk to children & people that are vaccinated but have other issues so are still vulnerable. Besides the fact that while being vaccinated will likely mean you won't die, you'll still be sick and that's a bloody nuisance.

Problem with this is that from what the doctors have said it is not true. Everyone is still able to circulate the virus regardless of vax status. Being an anti-vax won't make you any more or less likely to catch or transmit than a vax-hesitant or single-vax or double-vax or whatever jab number we get to. The jab is only alleged to limit the damage it will do to you once you have had it.

It is a bug that we have to live with.

Can you share the data which supports this? The research suggests otherwise.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e4.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00947-8/fulltext#%20
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.22.21255913v1.full#T7
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2113017
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2106599?query=featured_home

Quote from: Trevor on September 27, 2021, 08:29:18 AM

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 26, 2021, 09:45:50 PM
We should be allowed to get about our normal lives if we are fully vaccinated, maybe then those that aren't but can might actually step up and get jabbed so they are not stuck in bull**** lockdowns.

I hear people cry all the time about bull-**** lock-downs, even the ****head Victorian opposition and business leaders, but not one, not one has come up with an alternative.  I am ****ing sick of hearing people cry about but offer nothing as an alternative. 

It must suck to have a Government concerned with keeping us alive

What sux is a government that is forcing small businesses to close for ever, small businesses owners or their staff that are losing their homes and let's not forget the mental health problems this is causing but true effects of that won't be known for years.

Let's also not forget our governments have let this virus in numerous times and pathetically allowed it to leave the facilities to once again spread throughout the community. Any fool could easily create and implement a new system that stops the spread at quarantine! They are happy to detain illegal immigrants for ridiculous amounts of time at any cost and relocate police and armed forces to heavily enforce breaches and borders so why not fund a detention centre with dedicated staff who are overly compensated to isolate between shifts until we beat it?

Yeah they are bull**** lockdowns. Not everyone is a boomer with no life and no need to leave their computer and TV soaps

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 29, 2021, 09:06:29 AM

Quote from: Trevor on September 27, 2021, 08:29:18 AM

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 26, 2021, 09:45:50 PM
We should be allowed to get about our normal lives if we are fully vaccinated, maybe then those that aren't but can might actually step up and get jabbed so they are not stuck in bull**** lockdowns.

I hear people cry all the time about bull-**** lock-downs, even the ****head Victorian opposition and business leaders, but not one, not one has come up with an alternative.  I am ****ing sick of hearing people cry about but offer nothing as an alternative. 

It must suck to have a Government concerned with keeping us alive

What sux is a government that is forcing small businesses to close for ever, small businesses owners or their staff that are losing their homes and let's not forget the mental health problems this is causing but true effects of that won't be known for years.

Let's also not forget our governments have let this virus in numerous times and pathetically allowed it to leave the facilities to once again spread throughout the community. Any fool could easily create and implement a new system that stops the spread at quarantine! They are happy to detain illegal immigrants for ridiculous amounts of time at any cost and relocate police and armed forces to heavily enforce breaches and borders so why not fund a detention centre with dedicated staff who are overly compensated to isolate between shifts until we beat it?

Yeah they are bull**** lockdowns. Not everyone is a boomer with no life and no need to leave their computer and TV soaps

Dedicated staff who would have to isolate for long periods of time after shifts. With no one able to provide any service to the quarantine centres without isolating after making a delivery.
All pointless unless all aircrew including freight crew isolate. And anyone going near a plane. Or a ship.
I think those unrealistic requirements would crash the economy so much that some businesses would go broke.
Must be why no country is doing what you suggest.

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 29, 2021, 09:06:29 AM

Quote from: Trevor on September 27, 2021, 08:29:18 AM

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 26, 2021, 09:45:50 PM
We should be allowed to get about our normal lives if we are fully vaccinated, maybe then those that aren't but can might actually step up and get jabbed so they are not stuck in bull**** lockdowns.

I hear people cry all the time about bull-**** lock-downs, even the ****head Victorian opposition and business leaders, but not one, not one has come up with an alternative.  I am ****ing sick of hearing people cry about but offer nothing as an alternative. 

It must suck to have a Government concerned with keeping us alive

What sux is a government that is forcing small businesses to close for ever, small businesses owners or their staff that are losing their homes and let's not forget the mental health problems this is causing but true effects of that won't be known for years.

Let's also not forget our governments have let this virus in numerous times and pathetically allowed it to leave the facilities to once again spread throughout the community. Any fool could easily create and implement a new system that stops the spread at quarantine! They are happy to detain illegal immigrants for ridiculous amounts of time at any cost and relocate police and armed forces to heavily enforce breaches and borders so why not fund a detention centre with dedicated staff who are overly compensated to isolate between shifts until we beat it?

Yeah they are bull**** lockdowns. Not everyone is a boomer with no life and no need to leave their computer and TV soaps

Not suggesting you are a fool, just highlighting the part that really needs responding to.
What system would you implement to stop the spread at quarantine?

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 29, 2021, 09:06:29 AM
Any fool could easily create and implement a new system that stops the spread at quarantine!

Not everyone is a boomer with no life and no need to leave their computer and TV soaps

please help this old Boomer and share with us your plan to "create and implement a new system that stops the spread at quarantine"  if any fool can can do it, you should easily share your plan with us 'oldies' with no life

On the point of no life, I work full time, and when not working I share my time with friends and family and have spent over 30 years volunteering in community service - what volunteer community service have you done out of curiosity?

Quote from: Trevor on September 29, 2021, 12:08:58 PM

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 29, 2021, 09:06:29 AM
Any fool could easily create and implement a new system that stops the spread at quarantine!

Not everyone is a boomer with no life and no need to leave their computer and TV soaps

please help this old Boomer and share with us your plan to "create and implement a new system that stops the spread at quarantine"  if any fool can can do it, you should easily share your plan with us 'oldies' with no life

On the point of no life, I work full time, and when not working I share my time with friends and family and have spent over 30 years volunteering in community service - what volunteer community service have you done out of curiosity?

On the point of no life. I was simply stating the majority of people who are happy to be lockdown, not stating you are that boomer with no life.

This is a little of what we do, I work full time in disability and mental health, I also volunteer with young people with disabilities who haven't got enough funding to have external supports, this is part time and around 20 hours a week except during stay at home orders. We are currently foster carers for 2 boys aged 1 &2 full time plus in addition we offer emergency respite direct through child protection and willing to accept upto 2 extra children under the age 10. We also have a  9, 8  and 19 month old boy and my wife runs a home based care service for kids with special needs under school age Monday to Friday 8-530pm. Does this make us great people?I think not, plenty of people do plenty more then I can ever achieve.

You may or may not understand why I say bull**** lockdowns. Some of the kids I volunteer for have not left their homes for anymore then 2 hours a week since the first lockdown, their favourite locations have been closed for long periods with some not able to survive and reopen. I work with children who can only manage life with strict routines and any change needs to be implemented very slowly or they just can't cope. 5-7 kids at home outside of 2 hours exercise is not good for them and neither is homeschooling in a home that is so busy.

Now imagine getting a phone call just after 3 am to say a 9 year old is in a critical condition because they harmed themselves after it was announced that no visitors were allowed and you were that scheduled yo take them to a place that was forced to close.

Any fool could come up with something- we'll yea they can, quarantine in remote locations and run fly in fly out staff like the mining companies. Include a paid 14 day quarantine at the end and compensate the staff attractively. Money talks and worth spending to eradicate this **** from our community. It will be 2-3 years after the virus is gone before we see the full damage mentally and financially this has on our country

ummm, I think the quarantine centres are being built as I type

Blame the Feds for their lack of inaction on this, the only reason they are being built is because the States pushed them

And how does that help the 800+ community transmissions happening NOW in both Vic and NSW, they would have to be bloody big centres

Come on, you knw that is not the answer, the only way is to quarantine everyone - oh, hang on, I think that is what they are doing now

Was due to have my 2nd dose next Friday but the doc just rang and said come in now if you like.
Into town, jabbed and back home all in just over half an hour.
I'm a bit disappointed though, especially hearing about others having their 5G working properly.
There's absolutely no difference in performance of my internet or my phone...

Quote from: LG on October 01, 2021, 10:33:03 AM
Was due to have my 2nd dose next Friday but the doc just rang and said come in now if you like.
Into town, jabbed and back home all in just over half an hour.
I'm a bit disappointed though, especially hearing about others having their 5G working properly.
There's absolutely no difference in performance of my internet or my phone...

you need to be patient, they obviously haven't activated it yet, give them time you impatient bugger. Bloody typical boomer (with nothing to do) want everything for nothing  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Trevor on October 01, 2021, 11:47:59 AM

Quote from: LG on October 01, 2021, 10:33:03 AM
Was due to have my 2nd dose next Friday but the doc just rang and said come in now if you like.
Into town, jabbed and back home all in just over half an hour.
I'm a bit disappointed though, especially hearing about others having their 5G working properly.
There's absolutely no difference in performance of my internet or my phone...

you need to be patient, they obviously haven't activated it yet, give them time you impatient bugger. Bloody typical boomer (with nothing to do) want everything for nothing  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Haha!  ;D ;D ;D

SFA of a reaction to my 2nd dose.
I had a minor sore throat yesterday and that was it.
I must admit I was a little worried as I had an awful time after the first jab.

Quote from: LG on October 01, 2021, 10:33:03 AM
Was due to have my 2nd dose next Friday but the doc just rang and said come in now if you like.
Into town, jabbed and back home all in just over half an hour.
I'm a bit disappointed though, especially hearing about others having their 5G working properly.
There's absolutely no difference in performance of my internet or my phone...

You might need a reboot as the vaccine might not be compatible with the CDMA network you old blokes still run on.  ;D

Quote from: CP on October 03, 2021, 04:50:05 PM

Quote from: LG on October 01, 2021, 10:33:03 AM
Was due to have my 2nd dose next Friday but the doc just rang and said come in now if you like.
Into town, jabbed and back home all in just over half an hour.
I'm a bit disappointed though, especially hearing about others having their 5G working properly.
There's absolutely no difference in performance of my internet or my phone...

You might need a reboot as the vaccine might not be compatible with the CDMA network you old blokes still run on.  ;D

Ba dum tish!

Quote from: CP on October 03, 2021, 04:50:05 PM

Quote from: LG on October 01, 2021, 10:33:03 AM
Was due to have my 2nd dose next Friday but the doc just rang and said come in now if you like.
Into town, jabbed and back home all in just over half an hour.
I'm a bit disappointed though, especially hearing about others having their 5G working properly.
There's absolutely no difference in performance of my internet or my phone...

You might need a reboot as the vaccine might not be compatible with the CDMA network you old blokes still run on.  ;D

Not only that, but you also don't always get the most recent version of the software at first. Depending on how long it's been in storage you may experience slow start up's in the mornings until all the updates & security patches have downloaded & installed. That's the real reason for the gap between the 2 jabs.

And the side effects are due to initial incompatibility. Sometimes there can be overheating. The updates sort that out.

You blokes are cruel...   :D :D :D


Just remember if it wasn't for an old bloke somewhere, you just wouldn't be...   ;)

Quote from: AlbertM on October 03, 2021, 05:19:57 PM

Quote from: CP on October 03, 2021, 04:50:05 PM

Quote from: LG on October 01, 2021, 10:33:03 AM
Was due to have my 2nd dose next Friday but the doc just rang and said come in now if you like.
Into town, jabbed and back home all in just over half an hour.
I'm a bit disappointed though, especially hearing about others having their 5G working properly.
There's absolutely no difference in performance of my internet or my phone...

You might need a reboot as the vaccine might not be compatible with the CDMA network you old blokes still run on.  ;D

Ba dum tish!

HAHA!!! ***puts away old Nokia and stops playing Snake...

Quote from: Sonic on October 04, 2021, 08:41:05 AM

HAHA!!! ***puts away old Nokia and stops playing Snake...

Can you reply to this please?  As an admin here you need to be held accountable for the spreading of misinformation imo.

Quote from: Ospif1 on September 28, 2021, 08:28:08 PM

Quote from: Sonic on September 27, 2021, 02:00:58 PM

Quote from: djr18fan on September 25, 2021, 04:06:49 PM

Quote from: Troy01505 on September 25, 2021, 12:28:45 PM

Quote from: Ospif1 on September 23, 2021, 06:13:25 PM
Starting to see a lot more anti-vax facebook related postings lately although it seems they really are in quite the minority given the 85% predictions of vaccinations moving forward.  Once we re-open fully after vaccinations hit the 80% mark it's going to be difficult to avoid being in the vicinity of the virus and I do worry about how many are going to die who are against getting the jab.

Why worry? Their choice.

Because anti vaxxers will help keep the virus circulating more than it otherwise would, increasing the risk to children & people that are vaccinated but have other issues so are still vulnerable. Besides the fact that while being vaccinated will likely mean you won't die, you'll still be sick and that's a bloody nuisance.

Problem with this is that from what the doctors have said it is not true. Everyone is still able to circulate the virus regardless of vax status. Being an anti-vax won't make you any more or less likely to catch or transmit than a vax-hesitant or single-vax or double-vax or whatever jab number we get to. The jab is only alleged to limit the damage it will do to you once you have had it.

It is a bug that we have to live with.

Can you share the data which supports this? The research suggests otherwise.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e4.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00947-8/fulltext#%20
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.22.21255913v1.full#T7
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2113017
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2106599?query=featured_home

Quote from: LG on October 03, 2021, 08:03:16 AM
SFA of a reaction to my 2nd dose.
I had a minor sore throat yesterday and that was it.
I must admit I was a little worried as I had an awful time after the first jab.

I wish I was the same. I had the full group of the reactions that they tell you to expect after the second jab, had no side effects with the first. Although, at least it was only for one day feel fine now.

Although I am also waiting on my full 5G upgrade, given that am looking to a remote area I could really do with the upgrade.  ;D

I'm fully vaxxed now. Sadly, I haven't picked up any 5G capabilities, but for some weird, unknown reason, I now have cravings for Cydectin and Ivomec. It's possible the vaccine has ivomectin in it, so that may be why. :D

I know that people don't take their phones everywhere they go, (I'm one of those), and most stores have someone willing to sign you in or have paper forms to fill in.

How would that that work with the vaccine permission slip?

They have to cater to the same folks that don't take phones with them, so do you have to cart around a paper form all the time to show that you are?

Surely there is a better idea than that?

Quote from: CP on October 07, 2021, 08:57:43 AM
I'm fully vaxxed now. Sadly, I haven't picked up any 5G capabilities, but for some weird, unknown reason, I now have cravings for Cydectin and Ivomec. It's possible the vaccine has ivomectin in it, so that may be why. :D

I know that people don't take their phones everywhere they go, (I'm one of those), and most stores have someone willing to sign you in or have paper forms to fill in.

How would that that work with the vaccine permission slip?

They have to cater to the same folks that don't take phones with them, so do you have to cart around a paper form all the time to show that you are?

Surely there is a better idea than that?

How about a redesigned Medicare card?

Quote from: LG on October 07, 2021, 09:03:04 AM

Quote from: CP on October 07, 2021, 08:57:43 AM
I'm fully vaxxed now. Sadly, I haven't picked up any 5G capabilities, but for some weird, unknown reason, I now have cravings for Cydectin and Ivomec. It's possible the vaccine has ivomectin in it, so that may be why. :D

I know that people don't take their phones everywhere they go, (I'm one of those), and most stores have someone willing to sign you in or have paper forms to fill in.

How would that that work with the vaccine permission slip?

They have to cater to the same folks that don't take phones with them, so do you have to cart around a paper form all the time to show that you are?

Surely there is a better idea than that?

How about a redesigned Medicare card?

that may work but it would have to be a chipped card so it can be updated as they are already talking about booster shots out here so the double vax will soon be out of date and they will no longer be eligible to be free to roam in society (if current regs in Vic are continued with)

Quote from: CP on October 07, 2021, 08:57:43 AM
I'm fully vaxxed now. Sadly, I haven't picked up any 5G capabilities, but for some weird, unknown reason, I now have cravings for Cydectin and Ivomec. It's possible the vaccine has ivomectin in it, so that may be why. :D

I know that people don't take their phones everywhere they go, (I'm one of those), and most stores have someone willing to sign you in or have paper forms to fill in.

How would that that work with the vaccine permission slip?

They have to cater to the same folks that don't take phones with them, so do you have to cart around a paper form all the time to show that you are?

Surely there is a better idea than that?

you can download it off MyGov/Medicare, print and carry it with you.  I have

Quote from: Trevor on October 07, 2021, 10:26:53 AM

Quote from: CP on October 07, 2021, 08:57:43 AM
I'm fully vaxxed now. Sadly, I haven't picked up any 5G capabilities, but for some weird, unknown reason, I now have cravings for Cydectin and Ivomec. It's possible the vaccine has ivomectin in it, so that may be why. :D

I know that people don't take their phones everywhere they go, (I'm one of those), and most stores have someone willing to sign you in or have paper forms to fill in.

How would that that work with the vaccine permission slip?

They have to cater to the same folks that don't take phones with them, so do you have to cart around a paper form all the time to show that you are?

Surely there is a better idea than that?

you can download it off MyGov/Medicare, print and carry it with you.  I have

As I don't go anywhere without my phone for safety reasons, I just downloaded it to there.

The Media treat the State Health experts, who have turned up for so long at press conferences, like ****!!!!!!!!


Then the media whinges if one miss a day.  Maybe their positions actually involves work.


Media misinformation and conflicting information is  more of a problem than politicians and health officers.


I notice that the leader of ABC news is quitting, not that one might notice from the ABC website.

QuoteABC news boss Gaven Morris resigns from public broadcaster
Battles with senior journalists, who at times acted like a law unto themselves, placed a huge strain on Gaven Morris. Picture: AAP
Battles with senior journalists, who at times acted like a law unto themselves, placed a huge strain on Gaven Morris. Picture: AAP
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When ABC staff were told via email at lunchtime on Thursday that the public broadcaster's news boss, Gaven Morris, was quitting, few were surprised.

For well over a year, Mr Morris – who has held the prestigious post of the ABC's director of news, analysis and investigations since October 2015 – has been confiding to friends and colleagues that he's had enough of the job, and was eyeing an escape.

"I reckon he deserves a medal for lasting six years – it's one of the toughest editorial jobs in the world, what with the conflicting agendas of some staff and political stakeholders," one well-placed source told The Australian. "It's a nightmare. He's done a good job, considering."

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Another ABC source simply offered: "He's well and truly over it."

If 2020 was a rough year for the ABC and Mr Morris, 2021 has been twice as hard.

Rolling, internal battles with senior journalists, who at times acted like a law unto themselves, placed a huge strain on the 49-year-old, who was also under immense pressure from the ABC hierarchy to rein in the seemingly unregulated use of social media by some of the public broadcaster's highest-profile reporters.

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His farewell note to staff carried a weary tone. "It's without doubt a challenging job, but also fulfilling and worthwhile. I've given it my all," he wrote.

But for all his professional achievements – and he can claim many – Mr Morris has found himself in the middle of almost all the public controversies to have consumed the ABC in the past 18 months.

The heated internal debates, disputes and missteps certainly weren't all Mr Morris' doing, of course, but he was unable to effectively crack down on some of the attitudes and behaviours of some of his most senior staff.

In August last year, one-time ABC star Emma Alberici accused Mr Morris of undermining her in her ongoing spat with former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull, who had taken issue with the journalist's 2018 article on corporate tax rates that included nine errors.

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"Despite the enormous toll his actions have taken on my mental health, Gaven Morris wanted to call it a termination payout, no doubt so he could tell the world I was fired for incompetence or some such," she posted on Twitter the day after she left the ABC.

But the Alberici matter was just the beginning of Mr Morris' internal battles.

In November 2020, the now infamous Inside the Canberra Bubble episode aired on the ABC's flagship current affairs program, Four Corners, for which Mr Morris has editorial oversight.

The program carried allegations about the personal lives of some Coalition ministers, prompting Communications Minister Paul Fletcher to write a letter to ABC chair Ita Buttrose, asking her to explain how the expose of the private lives of politicians was in the public interest.

Soon after, Mr Morris made the fateful decision to kill one of the ABC's golden geese, by shifting Q+A from its established Monday night timeslot to Thursday nights – a move that began its inexorable ratings slide to virtual irrelevance within months.

Amid all this, Mr Morris was telling colleagues he was becoming increasingly annoyed by the often ill-disciplined and inappropriate social media postings by ABC staff.

That issue was to come to a head later in 2021, when Sally Neighbour, executive producer of Four Corners, was the subject of an internal investigation into the Twitter posts she made at the conclusion of the defamation action that former attorney-general Christian Porter had brought against the ABC.

Louise Milligan Picture: David Geraghty
Louise Milligan Picture: David Geraghty
Soon after, a defamatory tweet that the program's high-profile reporter, Louise Milligan, posted about federal MP Andrew Laming resulted in a taxpayer-funded bill of more than $130,000 in damages and legal fees.

The Australian understands Ms Buttrose was incensed by the senior journalists' activity on social media, and much of the pressure to enforce change in that area fell to Mr Morris.

In February, ABC Online published an article by Milligan containing allegations against an unnamed senior cabinet minister. That story became the subject of defamation action taken by Mr Porter – who outed himself as the minister referred to in the February 26 article, and denied the allegations – with the matter ultimately costing the public broadcaster $780,000 in legal fees and mediation costs.

In June, there were further rumblings of discontent from within the news and current affairs team, when Mr Morris opted to delay the airing of a Four Corners episode about Prime Minister Scott Morrison's alleged links to a known supporter of the QAnon far-right conspiracy movement, a move that caused friction within the once tight-knit team referred to in-house as "4C".

But perhaps the final straw was the drama that befell the ABC's "true crime" investigation about the fatal fire at Sydney's Luna Park in 1979.

Mr Morris signed off on Exposed: The Ghost Train Fire but it was beset by accusations of sloppy journalism and lazy research, and eventually subjected to an external review, which found it had wrongly implied former NSW premier Neville Wran was linked to corrupt activity.

By the time the damning external review was made public six weeks ago, Mr Morris was preparing to announce his intention to leave the ABC.

Mr Morris and Ms Buttrose did not respond to questions from The Australian.

Perhaps the final straw for Gaven Morris was the drama that befell the ABC's 'true crime' investigation about the fatal fire at Sydney's Luna Park in 1979. Picture: AAP
Perhaps the final straw for Gaven Morris was the drama that befell the ABC's 'true crime' investigation about the fatal fire at Sydney's Luna Park in 1979. Picture: AAP
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/abc-news-boss-gaven-morris-resigns-from-public-broadcaster/news-story/36fe498c2460cf4ed4b79ed0edc07e1c

So half of our state has gone into a three day lockdown starting 6pm tonight, all from one case who has basically refused to cooperate with health authorities about saying where he has been and escaping hotel quarantine.

the selfishness of some, and let me guess the age group they fall into??????

Quote from: Trevor on October 16, 2021, 04:03:34 AM
the selfishness of some, and let me guess the age group they fall into??????

A 31 year old male. I do find it interesting that one of his breaches of quarantine was to go out to do a drug deal.  ::)

why would that surprise you  ;D ;D ;D ;D

'merica, what can you say???  I bet they were Trump supporters too


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/anti-vaxxers-die-of-covid-after-finding-misinformation-on-facebook/news-story/e098f25254ba42c2e16d0a8b25858706 (https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/anti-vaxxers-die-of-covid-after-finding-misinformation-on-facebook/news-story/e098f25254ba42c2e16d0a8b25858706)

Quote from: Trevor on October 18, 2021, 10:56:00 AM
'merica, what can you say???  I bet they were Trump supporters too


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/anti-vaxxers-die-of-covid-after-finding-misinformation-on-facebook/news-story/e098f25254ba42c2e16d0a8b25858706 (https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/anti-vaxxers-die-of-covid-after-finding-misinformation-on-facebook/news-story/e098f25254ba42c2e16d0a8b25858706)

And friends of mine in the US are also upset as people they know who have been double jabbed are now also dead from the virus. Vax or not you can be equally dead.

My understanding of the deaths of people who have been properly vaccinated is that they have also been health/age compromised so it's not just Covid.
Yes, it is probably the straw that broke the camel's back however Covid alone was not the only cause. Some of the people actually had Covid before they received either their first or second jab.
For the first six months of this year it is somewhere around 1.2%.

Quote from: Sonic on October 18, 2021, 11:03:57 AM
And friends of mine in the US are also upset as people they know who have been double jabbed are now also dead from the virus. Vax or not you can be equally dead.

I would love to see some REAL evidence of this, not hearsay, not Chinese Whispers, not fanatical right wing reporting, but real hard facts

It also depends on how long ago they had the 2nd jab and which vaccine they got. A 2nd Pfizer jab is only good for 6 months according to this:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210906/Israeli-study-on-viral-load-Delta-infections-vaccinations-and-boosters.aspx

QuoteHowever, the protection against viral load started reducing after two months of the second vaccine dose, followed by a complete diminution after 6 months.

Quote from: Trevor on October 18, 2021, 10:56:00 AM
'merica, what can you say???  I bet they were Trump supporters too


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/anti-vaxxers-die-of-covid-after-finding-misinformation-on-facebook/news-story/e098f25254ba42c2e16d0a8b25858706 (https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/anti-vaxxers-die-of-covid-after-finding-misinformation-on-facebook/news-story/e098f25254ba42c2e16d0a8b25858706)

I'll ring in on this one, Trev.  I am not taking the high road or the low road with respect to the virus and the vax.  I'll just give you the spin of what is becoming a large amount of American citizens:

Let us read your link.  Where did you get this crap article?  Who wrote it?  How true can it be from some news group in Oz reporting on some couple in the States.  This could easily be click bait for pro-vaxxers drumming up their cause against the ones who are still opposed to the government telling what they  can and cannot do.

Now, as I have said that, THAT is where the American citizens are going with respect to their news coverage.  We are so divided right and left, and the news media is also.  What can you believe that is reported these days?  Neither side can be 100% accurate.  Now spin that off on the government and the CDC (Center for Disease Control).  People are starting to question the guidance and reports coming out of that organization for the media can spin it either way.

THAT is where America is right now.  Myself?  I really do not trust ANY media reports anymore for the coverage of this topic and how to deal with it is so split in half.  I respect the opinions of all, but for me..... I am standing here with my arms out and palms up, and many Yanks are now doing the same.

I went to a local dirt speedway tonight for their season closer.  Not a mask in sight.  No social distancing.  No extra hand sanitizing stations anywhere.  It has pretty much been this way all summer long here.  Right, wrong, or indifferent, what a different paradigm than what you guys are dealing with.  I honestly think America is getting to the point where the masses are going to just start rejecting authority in this arena.

Please hope for the best for us as I am for you.  I understand the health and welfare of the masses, but I also understand what rights our leaders have and do not have with making us do things.  The latter is the loose cannon in the room.

Quote from: Trevor on October 18, 2021, 01:23:05 PM

Quote from: Sonic on October 18, 2021, 11:03:57 AM
And friends of mine in the US are also upset as people they know who have been double jabbed are now also dead from the virus. Vax or not you can be equally dead.

I would love to see some REAL evidence of this, not hearsay, not Chinese Whispers, not fanatical right wing reporting, but real hard facts

kinda like what people have been asking for since day one on reports of who has died from c19 since day 1 that has had us prisoners in our own homes?