Back at my home track after 2 years without... I've been ultra paranoid about getting the rona all week but all clear and ready for the weekend.
Any predictions?
I reckon the DJR cars will qualify well they seem to like Barbs
Perf! Spoolers!! Mate, that's art!
Yep qualifying to be the most exciting part of the weekend again...though Ford have been dominant here for many years....such is the advantage of the ZB, I am predicting a clean sweep.....they are so much better under brakes! You can almost bet that Grove are running the same brake set up now as T8, so it will be interesting to see how far behind Grove are...
Probably yet another weekend to glimpse "the highlights" package....and watch the somewhat more exciting Federal election coverage instead! ;) :o SVG and Chaz smashing the field with unparalleled ease....or the smirky ScoMo on the hustings, spinning the bull......it really could go either way....LOL!
Are they still talking about extending the length of the track through the trees or is that idea done and dusted?
I noticed since last time they raced there the track has been renamed. Now Wanneroo Raceway.
That's because the deal with Alf Barbagallo ended since Supercars last raced there. Alf poured a heap of money into Wanneroo for (at a guess, 25-30 years) and was given the naming rights. Alf was a former Sprintcar racer who won a heap of WA Sprintcar titles before going road racing. I don't know, but I don't think there was any negativity about the deal ending. All good things end sometime.
*Obligatory "its only practice"
5 ZBs and 5 GTs in the top 10 in prac 1. That's a nice split.
Quote from: REM on April 29, 2022, 05:56:47 AM
Perf! Spoolers!! Mate, that's art!
Yep qualifying to be the most exciting part of the weekend again...though Ford have been dominant here for many years....such is the advantage of the ZB, I am predicting a clean sweep.....they are so much better under brakes! You can almost bet that Grove are running the same brake set up now as T8, so it will be interesting to see how far behind Grove are...
Probably yet another weekend to glimpse "the highlights" package....and watch the somewhat more exciting Federal election coverage instead! ;) :o SVG and Chaz smashing the field with unparalleled ease....or the smirky ScoMo on the hustings, spinning the bull......it really could go either way....LOL!
Dear Lord, please let a Ford win every race this weekend as I'm sick to death of reading this ****!!!
Talk about extending it pops up all the time.. never happens though
God I hate this 3 part qualifying!! If you won't given them enough tyres to do it properly, don't do it.
Quote from: Joe5619 on April 30, 2022, 04:42:47 PM
God I hate this 3 part qualifying!! If you won't given them enough tyres to do it properly, don't do it.
Anton had enough of them... :) :) :)
Quote from: LG on April 30, 2022, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: Joe5619 on April 30, 2022, 04:42:47 PM
God I hate this 3 part qualifying!! If you won't given them enough tyres to do it properly, don't do it.
Anton had enough of them... :) :) :)
LOL... I'm annoyed Davison stuffed up this lap as it would have put Giz out of the ten & would have made things interesting for the race.. Hopefully Cam or Anton can convert.
We had a 40 minute qualifying session, with half of the session watching grass growing with no cars on the track. Then a final 10 with half the cars without new tyres. It's just boring. Cut the qualifying to 15 minutes & give them more practice time.
And for the love for %$^& God Frosty, have a go!!
Just turned off, as SVG passed Anton.
Its a carbon copy of just about every race the past year or so. He goes long and slams everyone.
No other team seems to counteract that, why didn't Anton run longer?? And even when he (SVG) isn't as good he scares the other drivers off the track (Symmons Plains)
Hats off to SVG and Red Bull (more SVG as Feeny is crap) but I'm totally sick of it. F1 this year is better with Hamilton struggling with a crappy Mercedes that stuffed up the regs... He's a great driver but enhanced by 8 years of a good car...
V8 Supercars should be a mix of teams fighting for the win. I simply wait for SVG to beat Anton or Waters etc normally each race... It's great when something happens to stop him...
To V8 Supercars I can't be bothered waiting for your race - From now on I'll be fast forwarding it to get the gist, and enjoy any incidents along the way.
To those that may say go good we won't miss you, been a V8 fan for 35 years, V8's are now less competitive than back in the day in terms of the drivers that might win...
I have better things to do and this forum over the past few years has shown by decrease in comments and activity the dying support for the category.
Quote from: boris on April 30, 2022, 09:35:12 PM
Just turned off, as SVG passed Anton.
Its a carbon copy of just about every race the past year or so. He goes long and slams everyone.
No other team seems to counteract that, why didn't Anton run longer?? And when he isn't as good he scares the other drivers off the track (Symmons Plains)
Hats off to SVG and Red Bull (more SVG as Feeny is crap) but I'm totally sick of it. F1 this year is better with Hamilton struggling with a crappy Mercedes that stuffed up the regs... He's a great driver but enhanced by 8 years of a good car...
V8 Supercars should be a mix of teams fighting for the win. I simply wait for SVG to beat Anton or Waters etc normally each race... It's great when something happens to stop him...
To V8 Supercars I can't be bothered waiting for your race - From now on I'll be fast forwarding it to get the gist, and enjoy any incidents along the way.
To those that may say go good we won't miss you, been a V8 fan for 35 years, V8's are now less competitive than back in the day in terms of the drivers that might win...
I have better things to do and this forum over the past few years has shown by decrease in comments and activity the dying support for the category.
Yeah, how dare some teams and drivers do a better job than other.
Those 2 Ford teams are so dumb!!! They where both in front on Giz, why the **** did you pit so early? Just gave the win away.
And for FFS Shiafe, there is NO Holden company at all, so there can be NO factory Holden team!
Quote from: Ospif1 on April 30, 2022, 09:36:29 PM
Quote from: boris on April 30, 2022, 09:35:12 PM
Just turned off, as SVG passed Anton.
Its a carbon copy of just about every race the past year or so. He goes long and slams everyone.
No other team seems to counteract that, why didn't Anton run longer?? And when he isn't as good he scares the other drivers off the track (Symmons Plains)
Hats off to SVG and Red Bull (more SVG as Feeny is crap) but I'm totally sick of it. F1 this year is better with Hamilton struggling with a crappy Mercedes that stuffed up the regs... He's a great driver but enhanced by 8 years of a good car...
V8 Supercars should be a mix of teams fighting for the win. I simply wait for SVG to beat Anton or Waters etc normally each race... It's great when something happens to stop him...
To V8 Supercars I can't be bothered waiting for your race - From now on I'll be fast forwarding it to get the gist, and enjoy any incidents along the way.
To those that may say go good we won't miss you, been a V8 fan for 35 years, V8's are now less competitive than back in the day in terms of the drivers that might win...
I have better things to do and this forum over the past few years has shown by decrease in comments and activity the dying support for the category.
Yeah, how dare some teams and drivers do a better job than other.
DJRTP was doing a better job, didn't work out to well.
Great day from Turn 7... shame DJR couldn't so the same as SVG... why are red bull the only ones who can work this out?
Now to sleep and "do it all again tomorrow" as Crompo would say
Quote from: Joe5619 on April 30, 2022, 09:44:13 PM
Those 2 Ford teams are so dumb!!! They where both in front on Giz, why the **** did you pit so early? Just gave the win away.
And for FFS Shiafe, there is NO Holden company at all, so there can be NO factory Holden team!
Anton & Cam were both pulling away from SVG. They were racing each other. Cam & his team felt the best way to get past Anton was to pit & try the undercut. DJR then had to pit to cover Cam. Both actions make perfect sense.
You expect Cam to not try to get into the lead? You really think he, or Anton, would settle for second because keeping SVG from winning is better than winning the race yourself?
Quote from: boris on April 30, 2022, 09:35:12 PM
Just turned off, as SVG passed Anton.
Its a carbon copy of just about every race the past year or so. He goes long and slams everyone.
No other team seems to counteract that, why didn't Anton run longer?? And even when he (SVG) isn't as good he scares the other drivers off the track (Symmons Plains)
Hats off to SVG and Red Bull (more SVG as Feeny is crap) but I'm totally sick of it. F1 this year is better with Hamilton struggling with a crappy Mercedes that stuffed up the regs... He's a great driver but enhanced by 8 years of a good car...
V8 Supercars should be a mix of teams fighting for the win. I simply wait for SVG to beat Anton or Waters etc normally each race... It's great when something happens to stop him...
To V8 Supercars I can't be bothered waiting for your race - From now on I'll be fast forwarding it to get the gist, and enjoy any incidents along the way.
To those that may say go good we won't miss you, been a V8 fan for 35 years, V8's are now less competitive than back in the day in terms of the drivers that might win...
I have better things to do and this forum over the past few years has shown by decrease in comments and activity the dying support for the category.
I watched the surfing in WA and didn't see a lap yesterday, but from the results and the same ol, same ol.....I don't need to....however the surfing was soooooo good and exciting with some huge upsets, but you make some really valid points there Boris.....it's a critical time for the sport and I don't think they estimate how much of a big blue switch off is occurring.....anyways!
Hey Joe.....(love Hendricks!)......just block my comments....all good!! ;)
Quote from: djr18fan on May 01, 2022, 06:20:04 AM
Quote from: Joe5619 on April 30, 2022, 09:44:13 PM
Those 2 Ford teams are so dumb!!! They where both in front on Giz, why the **** did you pit so early? Just gave the win away.
And for FFS Shiafe, there is NO Holden company at all, so there can be NO factory Holden team!
Anton & Cam were both pulling away from SVG. They were racing each other. Cam & his team felt the best way to get past Anton was to pit & try the undercut. DJR then had to pit to cover Cam. Both actions make perfect sense.
You expect Cam to not try to get into the lead? You really think he, or Anton, would settle for second because keeping SVG from winning is better than winning the race yourself?
pulling away? They were 1 second ahead of Giz for the whole first stint. I get the Cam stop (sort of), but why did DJR pit so quickly there after when Giz was right there & always going to be the biggest threat. Once Aaon pitted they started racing each other & getting slowed by cars that didn't pit, they gave that race to Giz!
Giz just best staying out in clean air & these Ford are pitting to early.. Race in, race out.. Do they not learn anything?
Pretty good showing from the stangs.
(https://i.imgur.com/ORf99bv.png)
Quote from: Ospif1 on May 01, 2022, 08:24:52 AM
Pretty good showing from the stangs.
(https://i.imgur.com/ORf99bv.png)
It's pretty clear that 3 of the top 4 teams are now(as Grove are on the up) Fordies......DJR, Tickford and now Grove....
God knows how WAU manage to procreate it up so bad....but same old, same old.....
FFS Frosty!!! At least you stuffed up T888 cars :P :P
I really do wish WAU will and I'm stoked that Chas has managed to take some trophies back to the workshop recently, but I found it very strange that some of the so-called experts were talking him up as a championship contender this year. Still, they're with the exception of this weekend, they're certainly doing better than zags last few years.
Quote from: REM on May 01, 2022, 08:41:07 AM
Quote from: Ospif1 on May 01, 2022, 08:24:52 AM
Pretty good showing from the stangs.
(https://i.imgur.com/ORf99bv.png)
It's pretty clear that 3 of the top 4 teams are now(as Grove are on the up) Fordies......DJR, Tickford and now Grove....
Those results are clear evidence that the Mustang has an advantage.
2 big incidents to start first race!
thankfully Randle/Holdsworth kind of got away with it...
JLB/Pye... there'll be different ideas on who is to blame I guess but end result remains that Scott had a BIG hit.
and now talking about an hour to try to repair the gate point... why have them if they create this much of an issue? sure it's a small spot and unlikely to get hit but now we lose time... why not a reverse opening for access?
all this talk about Lee/Thomas being down a lap for the restart (if they do?)... they didn't complete 2 laps so it should be a full grid restart so no loss for either driver??
unless the rules have changed? anyone??
Quote from: djr18fan on May 01, 2022, 12:32:57 PM
Quote from: REM on May 01, 2022, 08:41:07 AM
Quote from: Ospif1 on May 01, 2022, 08:24:52 AM
Pretty good showing from the stangs.
(https://i.imgur.com/ORf99bv.png)
It's pretty clear that 3 of the top 4 teams are now(as Grove are on the up) Fordies......DJR, Tickford and now Grove....
Those results are clear evidence that the Mustang has an advantage.
Except a ZB passed those advantaged Mustangs for the win.
Quote from: AlbertM on May 01, 2022, 03:04:03 PM
Quote from: djr18fan on May 01, 2022, 12:32:57 PM
Quote from: REM on May 01, 2022, 08:41:07 AM
Quote from: Ospif1 on May 01, 2022, 08:24:52 AM
Pretty good showing from the stangs.
(https://i.imgur.com/ORf99bv.png)
It's pretty clear that 3 of the top 4 teams are now(as Grove are on the up) Fordies......DJR, Tickford and now Grove....
Those results are clear evidence that the Mustang has an advantage.
Except a ZB passed those advantaged Mustangs for the win.
indeed... past a driver who made an error and missed the apex...
5 of 7 are Muzzies...
Because 9 of 25 doesn't sound as good. Don't think a missed apex cost almost 4secs by the end of the race. If Mustang has an advantage it would've chased down ZB and won. Yes?
Waters gets a 5 sec penalty for Re-enter at turn 7, that is bull**** as Tim said, Davo gave him no room.
Quote from: AlbertM on May 01, 2022, 03:35:02 PM
Because 9 of 25 doesn't sound as good. Don't think a missed apex cost almost 4secs by the end of the race. If Mustang has an advantage it would've chased down ZB and won. Yes?
agreed, it didn't cost him 4 secs.... but chase down and won? that would require Giz to make an error which he makes very few of.
and that is a pretty poor decision from race control to hit Waters for 5 seconds... Davo ran him off the track with his dive.
Quote from: v8man11 on May 01, 2022, 03:40:06 PM
Waters gets a 5 sec penalty for Re-enter at turn 7, that is bull**** as Tim said, Davo gave him no room.
Tim will actually get some support this time I reckon!
congrats to Cam on the win (that he is not credited for)... he deserved that one.
Davo gets the win but only earned 2nd...
and now race control has to cycle through the entire race video and penalise every driver 5 seconds...
Coincidentally Davo's last win also came due to a penalty for the first car across the line.
Agree with Waters. We have seen that exact move hundreds of times at Barbagallo. Fourth place not bad considering there were only seven laps after the SC.
Got to feel for Will Brown, can't take a trick this year.
Expecting to see SVG clear off from pole in Race 3.
race control robbing the Muzzies of a 1/2/3!
Quote from: Sonic on May 01, 2022, 03:42:26 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on May 01, 2022, 03:35:02 PM
Because 9 of 25 doesn't sound as good. Don't think a missed apex cost almost 4secs by the end of the race. If Mustang has an advantage it would've chased down ZB and won. Yes?
agreed, it didn't cost him 4 secs.... but chase down and won? that would require Giz to make an error which he makes very few of.
and that is a pretty poor decision from race control to hit Waters for 5 seconds... Davo ran him off the track with his dive.
But we have people saying that Mustang has an advantage because 3 finished well behind a ZB.
Quote from: AlbertM on May 01, 2022, 03:58:37 PM
Quote from: Sonic on May 01, 2022, 03:42:26 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on May 01, 2022, 03:35:02 PM
Because 9 of 25 doesn't sound as good. Don't think a missed apex cost almost 4secs by the end of the race. If Mustang has an advantage it would've chased down ZB and won. Yes?
agreed, it didn't cost him 4 secs.... but chase down and won? that would require Giz to make an error which he makes very few of.
and that is a pretty poor decision from race control to hit Waters for 5 seconds... Davo ran him off the track with his dive.
But we have people saying that Mustang has an advantage because 3 finished well behind a ZB.
behind 1 ZB... behind a freak...
and race control just robbed you of a 1/2/3 for the Mustang.
Good to see the Stangs finally get a win. I would have laughed if it was SVG and not Davison in the battle with Waters and he got the penalty, can you imagine the sour grapes? Finally a race where they don't do some silly strategy and throw away wins.
Quote from: Sonic on May 01, 2022, 03:59:46 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on May 01, 2022, 03:58:37 PM
Quote from: Sonic on May 01, 2022, 03:42:26 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on May 01, 2022, 03:35:02 PM
Because 9 of 25 doesn't sound as good. Don't think a missed apex cost almost 4secs by the end of the race. If Mustang has an advantage it would've chased down ZB and won. Yes?
agreed, it didn't cost him 4 secs.... but chase down and won? that would require Giz to make an error which he makes very few of.
and that is a pretty poor decision from race control to hit Waters for 5 seconds... Davo ran him off the track with his dive.
But we have people saying that Mustang has an advantage because 3 finished well behind a ZB.
behind 1 ZB... behind a freak...
and race control just robbed you of a 1/2/3 for the Mustang.
Mate, Supercars have been robbing us Ford faithful for decades.
Well I think Wilbur deserved the win. I reckon Cam turned in aggressively on Davison causing any rubbing.
I believe there should be some disadvantage from running off the track at turn 7. I thought that when someone did it very early in the race and didn't lose their spot.
Not sure that an unsafe re-entry penalty was appropriate. But something is. Ideally a redress (Cam was overtaken fair & square). But if a redress not done then what can officials do?
It's similar to cutting a corner. You can gain an advantage by going off track at turn 7.
Once again, Fords shown to have an advantage.
Seems only 1 Holden can beat them, and in turn the Fords beat all the other Holdens.
Quote from: djr18fan on May 01, 2022, 05:13:12 PM
Once again, Fords shown to have an advantage.
Seems only 1 Holden can beat them, and in turn the Fords beat all the other Holdens.
Did you not notice that the Mustangs were going backwards through the grid and the ZB going forward?
Quote from: djr18fan on May 01, 2022, 05:13:12 PM
Well I think Wilbur deserved the win. I reckon Cam turned in aggressively on Davison causing any rubbing.
I believe there should be some disadvantage from running off the track at turn 7. I thought that when someone did it very early in the race and didn't lose their spot.
Not sure that an unsafe re-entry penalty was appropriate. But something is. Ideally a redress (Cam was overtaken fair & square). But if a redress not done then what can officials do?
It's similar to cutting a corner. You can gain an advantage by going off track at turn 7.
Once again, Fords shown to have an advantage.
Seems only 1 Holden can beat them, and in turn the Fords beat all the other Holdens.
disagree with you.
for sure the dive was on and worth a go... but he ran out to the kerb fully... where was the car width for Cam to stay on track?
Neither Wilbur or Cam are at fault. Will would have never push Cam wide if there was no run off. Cam went off and held position. Will did not take evasive action to avoid Cam coming back on the track proper. Just another dud call from the stewards.
kinda disappointed to have Giz win another one (but nice work on the burnout!)
BUT so good to see the other front runners putting up a defence!
Giz should have got a warning for multiple moves on the pit straight after he made the move on Davo.
Kostecki house will not be a pleasant place to be tonight
Quote from: AlbertM on May 01, 2022, 05:50:06 PM
Quote from: djr18fan on May 01, 2022, 05:13:12 PM
Once again, Fords shown to have an advantage.
Seems only 1 Holden can beat them, and in turn the Fords beat all the other Holdens.
Did you not notice that the Mustangs were going backwards through the grid and the ZB going forward?
That's just nonsense!!
Go look at the results on Supercar website & you'll see the +/- of each cars, lots of Mustangs moving forwards & lots of GM going backward & vice versa.
Just watched the Cam thing & it was BS.. Cam won that race!
Quote from: Joe5619 on May 01, 2022, 07:18:07 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on May 01, 2022, 05:50:06 PM
Quote from: djr18fan on May 01, 2022, 05:13:12 PM
Once again, Fords shown to have an advantage.
Seems only 1 Holden can beat them, and in turn the Fords beat all the other Holdens.
Did you not notice that the Mustangs were going backwards through the grid and the ZB going forward?
That's just nonsense!!
Go look at the results on Supercar website & you'll see the +/- of each cars, lots of Mustangs moving forwards & lots of GM going backward & vice versa.
Just watched the Cam thing & it was BS.. Cam won't that race!
Look at R11. Most of the Ford drifted back from their starting positions. Surely I can make broad ranging conclusions after just one race, can't I? Everyone else is. :P
I'm no fan of Cam but the ex-Mars bar kid was hard done by on that one.
Quote from: Skip on May 02, 2022, 02:12:10 PM
I'm no fan of Cam but the ex-Mars bar kid was hard done by on that one.
I just finished up watching all three races and the Cam thing still has me shaking my head.
What exactly IS the rule for going around the berm in Turn 7? A warning for exceeding track limits? Now one can easily improve track position by doing that and if done in qually I am sure the lap would not count.
Many cars did the same thing all weekend long, but were any of those incidents looked at? I think the Will/Cam incident only was for it was for the lead of the race.
I think Cam improved his position (kept it) after the incident, but if he is going to be docked for that, one has to think Will forced him off of the track (as pointed out in this thread earlier by Sonic). This would put WILL in the penalty box - not Cam. Cam was only out there because he got hip checked.
I actually think they should just get rid of that berm/bump and let them race and maybe even reconfigure the corner a tad. It would eliminate a call like that in the future if anything.
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on May 02, 2022, 03:04:20 PM
Quote from: Skip on May 02, 2022, 02:12:10 PM
I'm no fan of Cam but the ex-Mars bar kid was hard done by on that one.
I just finished up watching all three races and the Cam thing still has me shaking my head.
What exactly IS the rule for going around the berm in Turn 7? A warning for exceeding track limits? Now one can easily improve track position by doing that and if done in qually I am sure the lap would not count.
Many cars did the same thing all weekend long, but were any of those incidents looked at? I think the Will/Cam incident only was for it was for the lead of the race.
I think Cam improved his position (kept it) after the incident, but if he is going to be docked for that, one has to think Will forced him off of the track (as pointed out in this thread earlier by Sonic). This would put WILL in the penalty box - not Cam. Cam was only out there because he got hip checked.
I actually think they should just get rid of that berm/bump and let them race and maybe even reconfigure the corner a tad. It would eliminate a call like that in the future if anything.
I would further argue that if they both took the corner and Will was in front then he should have had to give the place back as he gained the place by contact, it was never a clean pass.
Agreed. I think if he went into the corner behind will and came out in front a penalty could be justified but not as it happened. Oh well. I blame Roland.
Quote from: Sonic on May 02, 2022, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on May 02, 2022, 03:04:20 PM
Quote from: Skip on May 02, 2022, 02:12:10 PM
I'm no fan of Cam but the ex-Mars bar kid was hard done by on that one.
I just finished up watching all three races and the Cam thing still has me shaking my head.
What exactly IS the rule for going around the berm in Turn 7? A warning for exceeding track limits? Now one can easily improve track position by doing that and if done in qually I am sure the lap would not count.
Many cars did the same thing all weekend long, but were any of those incidents looked at? I think the Will/Cam incident only was for it was for the lead of the race.
I think Cam improved his position (kept it) after the incident, but if he is going to be docked for that, one has to think Will forced him off of the track (as pointed out in this thread earlier by Sonic). This would put WILL in the penalty box - not Cam. Cam was only out there because he got hip checked.
I actually think they should just get rid of that berm/bump and let them race and maybe even reconfigure the corner a tad. It would eliminate a call like that in the future if anything.
I would further argue that if they both took the corner and Will was in front then he should have had to give the place back as he gained the place by contact, it was never a clean pass.
Yes. Yet another way to look at it. Any way you shake it, the call was not right.
Cam was pinged for unsafe re-entry. Baird later said that Cam was pinged for "not yielding after Will completed the pass". Not even the stewards knew what they were doing.
3.3. During Competition, Drivers must use the Race Track at all times and may not leave the Race
Track without a justifiable reason.
3.3.1. A Driver will be judged to have left the Race Track if no part of the Car remains in
contact with it. For the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the Race Track
edges are considered to be part of the Race Track but the kerbs are not.
3.3.2. Should a Car leave the Race Track for any reason, the Driver may re-join, however,
this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting
advantage. At the discretion of the RD a Driver may be given the opportunity to give
back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track.
3.3.3. Repetition of serious mistakes or the appearance of a lack of control over the Car
(such as leaving the Race Track) will be considered to be a breach of the Rules.
3.4. A Car alone on the Race Track may use the full width of the Race Track.
3.5. Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left.
3.6. More than one (1) change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any Driver moving
back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off-line, should leave at least
one (1) Car width between his own Car and the edge of the Race Track on the approach to
the corner.
3.7. Any Driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the Race Track during his first move, provided no portion of the Car attempting to pass
is alongside their Car. Whilst defending in this way the Driver may not leave the Race Track
without justifiable reason.
3.8. Manoeuvres liable to hinder other Drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a Car beyond the
edge of the Race Track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.
3.9. It is not permitted for any Driver to unfairly gain an advantage as a result of contact to another
Car.
Rule 3.3.2.
Cam had been passed before the apex.
The pass was not caused by contact.
Contact occurred after the pass had been made.
Cam didn't try to stay on the track. (Other drivers passed at that corner yielded and tried the switchback.)
Cam chose to use the tarmac to the left of the kerb to get his position back.
Cam left the track and gained a lasting advantage by doing so.
Quote from: djr18fan on May 02, 2022, 07:50:52 PM
3.3. During Competition, Drivers must use the Race Track at all times and may not leave the Race
Track without a justifiable reason.
3.3.1. A Driver will be judged to have left the Race Track if no part of the Car remains in
contact with it. For the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the Race Track
edges are considered to be part of the Race Track but the kerbs are not.
3.3.2. Should a Car leave the Race Track for any reason, the Driver may re-join, however,
this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting
advantage. At the discretion of the RD a Driver may be given the opportunity to give
back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track.
3.3.3. Repetition of serious mistakes or the appearance of a lack of control over the Car
(such as leaving the Race Track) will be considered to be a breach of the Rules.
3.4. A Car alone on the Race Track may use the full width of the Race Track.
3.5. Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left.
3.6. More than one (1) change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any Driver moving
back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off-line, should leave at least
one (1) Car width between his own Car and the edge of the Race Track on the approach to
the corner.
3.7. Any Driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the Race Track during his first move, provided no portion of the Car attempting to pass
is alongside their Car. Whilst defending in this way the Driver may not leave the Race Track
without justifiable reason.
3.8. Manoeuvres liable to hinder other Drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a Car beyond the
edge of the Race Track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.
3.9. It is not permitted for any Driver to unfairly gain an advantage as a result of contact to another
Car.
Rule 3.3.2.
Cam had been passed before the apex.
The pass was not caused by contact.
Contact occurred after the pass had been made.
Cam didn't try to stay on the track. (Other drivers passed at that corner yielded and tried the switchback.)
Cam chose to use the tarmac to the left of the kerb to get his position back.
Cam left the track and gained a lasting advantage by doing so.
sorry DJR but incorrect there.
if you have a look on the Supercars highlight package the contact between the 2 cars is clearly before the pass... not much, granted, maybe a wheel width, but it pushed Cam wide
the move for Will was definitely on and so glad to see him having a go! but the line he needed to make it around the corner meant that Cam could never go around the outside with him and stay on track... that means Will came in too hot.
so because the contact happened before Will had any portion of his car in front he did not have the lead... I can agree with you that Cam gained advantage insofar as he was further ahead after the exit of t7 but it was Will's action that led to it.
3.3.2... interesting... so using your (and Craig's) reasoning there is no reason for the 5 second penalty... the decision came down quickly... they could have told Cam to yield to Will and then Cam would have at least had the opportunity to fight Will to the end of the race... and as much as I still find it distasteful that Cam was penalised at all this would have been a far better option than what SC dished out and has pissed off so many race fans.
Is Will now the most credited winning driver, whilst finishing second on track?
...and what happened on the last lap of Race 3? Did SVG claim the quickest lap despite yellows?
Quote from: djr18fan on May 02, 2022, 07:50:52 PM
3.3. During Competition, Drivers must use the Race Track at all times and may not leave the Race
Track without a justifiable reason.
3.3.1. A Driver will be judged to have left the Race Track if no part of the Car remains in
contact with it. For the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the Race Track
edges are considered to be part of the Race Track but the kerbs are not.
3.3.2. Should a Car leave the Race Track for any reason, the Driver may re-join, however,
this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting
advantage. At the discretion of the RD a Driver may be given the opportunity to give
back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track.
3.3.3. Repetition of serious mistakes or the appearance of a lack of control over the Car
(such as leaving the Race Track) will be considered to be a breach of the Rules.
3.4. A Car alone on the Race Track may use the full width of the Race Track.
3.5. Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left.
3.6. More than one (1) change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any Driver moving
back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off-line, should leave at least
one (1) Car width between his own Car and the edge of the Race Track on the approach to
the corner.
3.7. Any Driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the Race Track during his first move, provided no portion of the Car attempting to pass
is alongside their Car. Whilst defending in this way the Driver may not leave the Race Track
without justifiable reason.
3.8. Manoeuvres liable to hinder other Drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a Car beyond the
edge of the Race Track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.
3.9. It is not permitted for any Driver to unfairly gain an advantage as a result of contact to another
Car.
Rule 3.3.2.
Cam had been passed before the apex.
The pass was not caused by contact.
Contact occurred after the pass had been made.
Cam didn't try to stay on the track. (Other drivers passed at that corner yielded and tried the switchback.)
Cam chose to use the tarmac to the left of the kerb to get his position back.
Cam left the track and gained a lasting advantage by doing so.
Had Cam tried to stay on the track proper both cars would have collided.
Quote from: Sonic on May 02, 2022, 08:38:23 PM
Quote from: djr18fan on May 02, 2022, 07:50:52 PM
3.3. During Competition, Drivers must use the Race Track at all times and may not leave the Race
Track without a justifiable reason.
3.3.1. A Driver will be judged to have left the Race Track if no part of the Car remains in
contact with it. For the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the Race Track
edges are considered to be part of the Race Track but the kerbs are not.
3.3.2. Should a Car leave the Race Track for any reason, the Driver may re-join, however,
this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting
advantage. At the discretion of the RD a Driver may be given the opportunity to give
back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track.
3.3.3. Repetition of serious mistakes or the appearance of a lack of control over the Car
(such as leaving the Race Track) will be considered to be a breach of the Rules.
3.4. A Car alone on the Race Track may use the full width of the Race Track.
3.5. Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left.
3.6. More than one (1) change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any Driver moving
back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off-line, should leave at least
one (1) Car width between his own Car and the edge of the Race Track on the approach to
the corner.
3.7. Any Driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the Race Track during his first move, provided no portion of the Car attempting to pass
is alongside their Car. Whilst defending in this way the Driver may not leave the Race Track
without justifiable reason.
3.8. Manoeuvres liable to hinder other Drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a Car beyond the
edge of the Race Track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.
3.9. It is not permitted for any Driver to unfairly gain an advantage as a result of contact to another
Car.
Rule 3.3.2.
Cam had been passed before the apex.
The pass was not caused by contact.
Contact occurred after the pass had been made.
Cam didn't try to stay on the track. (Other drivers passed at that corner yielded and tried the switchback.)
Cam chose to use the tarmac to the left of the kerb to get his position back.
Cam left the track and gained a lasting advantage by doing so.
sorry DJR but incorrect there.
if you have a look on the Supercars highlight package the contact between the 2 cars is clearly before the pass... not much, granted, maybe a wheel width, but it pushed Cam wide
the move for Will was definitely on and so glad to see him having a go! but the line he needed to make it around the corner meant that Cam could never go around the outside with him and stay on track... that means Will came in too hot.
so because the contact happened before Will had any portion of his car in front he did not have the lead... I can agree with you that Cam gained advantage insofar as he was further ahead after the exit of t7 but it was Will's action that led to it.
3.3.2... interesting... so using your (and Craig's) reasoning there is no reason for the 5 second penalty... the decision came down quickly... they could have told Cam to yield to Will and then Cam would have at least had the opportunity to fight Will to the end of the race... and as much as I still find it distasteful that Cam was penalised at all this would have been a far better option than what SC dished out and has pissed off so many race fans.
Could have required a redress. Didn't have to as the rule states that's at the discretion of the RD and only that they may.
I did say earlier that a redress would have been better.
And I don't think I've ever seen 2 cars go side by side through that corner - except when the car on the outside cuts back inside the car that has just "won" the corner. That's how Cam could have stayed on track, and possibly been on the inside for turn 1.
And I did watch the highlight package.
Quote from: skaifeman on May 02, 2022, 10:40:13 PM
Is Will now the most credited winning driver, whilst finishing second on track?
...and what happened on the last lap of Race 3? Did SVG claim the quickest lap despite yellows?
He set the fastest lap on lap 45 before the incident happened. The commentary made it seem like he set it on the last lap.
Quote from: Kytabu on May 03, 2022, 05:25:24 AM
Quote from: skaifeman on May 02, 2022, 10:40:13 PM
Is Will now the most credited winning driver, whilst finishing second on track?
...and what happened on the last lap of Race 3? Did SVG claim the quickest lap despite yellows?
He set the fastest lap on lap 45 before the incident happened. The commentary made it seem like he set it on the last lap.
Thanks Kye, certainly raised my eyebrows. Thought back for a moment to the Fullwood Bathurst Super2 exclusion.
Natsoft race results w/ fastest laps (the official race results website of the V8CFL ): ) http://racing.natsoft.com.au/results/#2
Quote from: Sonic on May 01, 2022, 06:20:31 PM
for sure the dive was on and worth a go... but he ran out to the kerb fully... where was the car width for Cam to stay on track?
Quote from: AlbertM on May 02, 2022, 11:10:16 PM
Had Cam tried to stay on the track proper both cars would have collided.
Both right but I think Cam needed to try and stay on track beside Davo to get the concrete proof that it would've unfolded that way. Instead he opened up the steering and zoomed off track on his own, with Davo getting no blame because the contact that did happen was caused more by Cam turning in well before he was out of room.
To my understanding, the driving off track there is what a bunch of cars were earning the bad sportsmanship flag for throughout the weekend. Larko suggested Cam coming across after re-entering also made it worse. I think it's quite reasonable that blatantly doing something that normally earns a bad sportsmanship flag is penalised more harshly when earning a trophy comes into play.
Reminds me of the time Frosty did a last corner bump and run on Slade at Surfers in 2014 to cross the line 3rd but Slade got the trophy. If it had happened 5 laps earlier and Frosty had finished the race miles ahead of Slade, probably nobody would have cared - much like Giz's bump and runs in Tassie weren't that big of a deal because he had the pace to win easily regardless.
it also makes for an interesting scenario now when we get to Bathurst and the 'Chase bump' happens...
Quote from: Sonic on May 04, 2022, 08:57:01 AM
it also makes for an interesting scenario now when we get to Bathurst and the 'Chase bump' happens...
I believe a redress and two cars in the wall is required there :-X.
Quote from: skaifeman on May 04, 2022, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: Sonic on May 04, 2022, 08:57:01 AM
it also makes for an interesting scenario now when we get to Bathurst and the 'Chase bump' happens...
I believe a redress and two cars in the wall is required there :-X.
Indeed!
QuoteBathurst champion Chaz Mostert has called for lifetime bans for Supercars fans found to have engaged in on-line trolling.
The Walkinshaw Andretti United driver has come to the defence of driving standards advisor, Craig Baird, after a controversial call at last weekend's event in Perth.
Baird issued Ford's Cam Waters with a penalty for exceeding track limits, which cost the Tickford driver victory in race 11 of the championship.
Waters was deemed to have gained an advantage when he ran wide during a battle with DJR's Will Davison, and although Waters crossed the line first, he was demoted to fourth after being assessed a five second penalty.
In a lengthy social media post, Mostert backed Baird's call to penalise Waters, and also urged Supercars to come down hard on trolls.
"In this world and in every sport there will be controversial moments where people will sit on either side of the fence. That's just life," Mostert wrote.
"But what gives you the right as a person to target someone and throw aggression/hate and even threats to another person, and to top it off towards someone you personally don't even know?
"And even if you did know them it still doesn't give you the right to do this publicly in person or on any social media platform. What kind of example are you setting for the next generation? I think a pretty awful one."
/quote]
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/more-sports/bathurst-champ-calls-for-lifetime-bans-for-awful-act/ar-AAWVIhc?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7feca78713c2419982bcfb3fa54f9823
If only there was a means to simply give Baird-o a smite on their website this would have never gotten to this level..... 8)
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on May 05, 2022, 04:15:52 PM
If only there was a means to simply give Baird-o a smite on their website this would have never gotten to this level..... 8)
:D
now here's a thinking man!!