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Title: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Zac on May 03, 2022, 04:21:15 PM
WAU will switch to Mustangs for next year. (No, it's May 3rd today, and it's true.) Good, bad or indifferent news for Ford fans? At least it redresses the 15-9 imbalance to 13-11.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: the undertaker on May 03, 2022, 04:35:00 PM
As the owner of a Mustang I'm happy there's going to be more on the grid
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Zac on May 03, 2022, 04:54:02 PM
Dave, Dave? Are you there Dave?  ;D
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 03, 2022, 05:24:15 PM
Yes, yes, yes......!!!! I did suggest it some time back!! Moyso - WAU, we will welcome you with open arms!!! :) ;)


https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/05/03/waus-shock-ford-supercars-switch/?fbclid=IwAR0Mfp-PJv7LQX26PTs8sFSx7121QwEEHp8CJ4Nl7dH6yuH0L9SwGlEdvNs
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: skaifeman on May 03, 2022, 05:30:37 PM
Heard this rumour earlier in the week.
Wouldn't say shock, Walkinshaw has been expanding their business since they cut ties with Holden - now the biggest manufacturer of vehicles in Australia.

Would they be in the mind to do more Ford conversions ala what they're doing with the Silverado? Maybe even an eye as the Ford homologation team given there's now a Penske sized hole in the market.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 03, 2022, 05:45:56 PM
Quote from: skaifeman on May 03, 2022, 05:30:37 PM
Heard this rumour earlier in the week.
Wouldn't say shock, Walkinshaw has been expanding their business since they cut ties with Holden - now the biggest manufacturer of vehicles in Australia.

Would they be in the mind to do more Ford conversions ala what they're doing with the Silverado? Maybe even an eye as the Ford homologation team given there's now a Penske sized hole in the market.

Having just ordered a new v6 Everest, I am keen to see what upgrades WAU offer.....the new Ranger and Everest are going to turn the market on it's head....smart move from WAU methinks....
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: murph_fan51 on May 03, 2022, 05:49:47 PM
Wonder what advantage racing the Gen3 Mustang would give the team? As skaifeman says, could be their road car conversion? But with the Mustang already RHD and Tickford existing, they must be looking into other Ford models?

It seems no manufacture is really interested in this sport, there is only one!
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Joe5619 on May 03, 2022, 05:53:47 PM
Big news!!

Given Frosty is now close to useless & will retire soon, I'm so glad my #2 driver is going back to Fords.

I saw on the news yesterday that Ford will now convert F150 locally in Australia, I wonder if there is some kind of link here?
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: hsv8fan on May 03, 2022, 08:04:55 PM
I thought the sky had fallen in.... Until i read a speculative media story.
When the facts come out of WAU, I'll take it as gospel.
Good luck to them as I'm sure there are plenty around who will say 888 will manipulate everything so they keep winning anyway.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 03, 2022, 08:17:56 PM
Quote from: hsv8fan on May 03, 2022, 08:04:55 PM
I thought the sky had fallen in.... Until i read a speculative media story.
When the facts come out of WAU, I'll take it as gospel.
Good luck to them as I'm sure there are plenty around who will say 888 will manipulate everything so they keep winning anyway.
roll on the Friday announcement then hey! The sky looks very heavy..... ;)
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: madbugger on May 03, 2022, 09:45:52 PM
Did not see that coming

welcome home Chaz
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: AlbertM on May 03, 2022, 09:51:58 PM
Oh dear god. All that Brock, Skaife, Lowndes HRT/HSVDT history now represented by the Blue Oval. Someone want to check behind the 05 Bar. I fear someone might have died of alcohol poisoning.

Just happy Mostert will be back in blue.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: stevo qld on May 03, 2022, 11:46:20 PM
I do not agree with crediting the Walkinshaws with so much of the Holden legacy. Championships were won by the Kellys. Walkinshaws were just a product supplier to others including Mark Skaife. Tom was even barred from running a Supercar Team, allegedly, if my memory is correct.

It seems to me that the Walkinshaw business has made a lot of money producing high performance Holden V8s. Holden has ceased to exist, even if GM does.

So, for a high performance version of a production V8 road car, there is really only one manufacturer that has a suitable car,

Ford and it's Mustang, of course. All others have faded into the world of Nostalgia.


Mustang and Walkinshaw Performance Vehicles (or whatever marketing name) is the only fit.

WAU and Walkinshaw are the best current fit.  :D
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: stp01 on May 04, 2022, 07:56:44 AM
All the best to WAU. May their form from Perth continue into the next 5 years  ;D
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: CP on May 04, 2022, 08:03:53 AM
Quote from: Joe5619 on May 03, 2022, 05:53:47 PM


I saw on the news yesterday that Ford will now convert F150 locally in Australia, I wonder if there is some kind of link here?

That's been in the news for a few weeks with the factory conversions done by RMA.

Whether they could've done them in the volume that they want might be why we have this.

It's history happening in reverse.

A former Ford backed team lost their backing, went to Holden and later on became the factory team, whereas in this instance, former factory Holden team loses backing, and heads over to the blue oval with their backing.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: madbugger on May 04, 2022, 10:19:55 AM
I wonder if Tim Edwards is getting a little worried?
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: skaifeman on May 04, 2022, 10:37:33 AM
Quote from: madbugger on May 04, 2022, 10:19:55 AM
I wonder if Tim Edwards is getting a little worried?

After WAU's last weekend probably not.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Troy01505 on May 04, 2022, 10:55:20 AM
Why would they go to Ford with such a disadvantage? Oh that's right, they are disadvantaged in any brand of car!

Ford special Vehicles mass producing performance Mustang's and Rangers would be the only reason.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: skaifeman on May 04, 2022, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: Troy01505 on May 04, 2022, 10:55:20 AM
Why would they go to Ford with such a disadvantage? Oh that's right, they are disadvantaged in any brand of car!

Ford special Vehicles mass producing performance Mustang's and Rangers would be the only reason.

I highly doubt they'll go into any sort of HSV style partnership. It'll be workshops with bolt-ons and re-tunes at best - basically what Tickford does.
Feeling is that if there's a road going aspect it'll likely be conversions.

We assume there's a road going side to this, but maybe Ryan has thought the Mustang business model is the better jig? Will 888 still do all body panels etc for the Camaro? Whilst the Mustang is still free reign on that stuff?
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Skip on May 04, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
They certainly made no secret of their displeasure in having to buy goodies from 888. That was the ultimate slap on the face after losing hrt to Roland. For that reason, and the potential to modify Ford products, it's no real surprise. Still big news tho.
Where does Erebus fit in this?
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: stevo qld on May 04, 2022, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: Skip on May 04, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
They certainly made no secret of their displeasure in having to buy goodies from 888. That was the ultimate slap on the face after losing hrt to Roland. For that reason, and the potential to modify Ford products, it's no real surprise. Still big news tho.
Where does Erebus fit in this?


Erebus already build their own cars and the leased Walkinshaw engines are not eligible next year. Seems that there is not much that Erebus could even purchase from WAU. There is also the sponsorship clash.

There seems no current reason for Erebus to change and I seem to recall that they have already confirmed for Camaro.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Bloopy on May 04, 2022, 01:22:42 PM
Quote from: stp01 on May 04, 2022, 07:56:44 AM
All the best to WAU. May their form from Perth continue into the next 5 years  ;D

That form looked so bad it's difficult to imagine they could repeat it. I also wonder how well Courtney would've done in the championship if they'd switched to Ford when he joined. His 10th place in 2011 is an all-time ATCC record for worst attempt at backing up a championship win from what I can see! Maybe they should've switched much earlier. ;D
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Skip on May 04, 2022, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: stevo qld on May 04, 2022, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: Skip on May 04, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
They certainly made no secret of their displeasure in having to buy goodies from 888. That was the ultimate slap on the face after losing hrt to Roland. For that reason, and the potential to modify Ford products, it's no real surprise. Still big news tho.
Where does Erebus fit in this?


Erebus already build their own cars and the leased Walkinshaw engines are not eligible next year. Seems that there is not much that Erebus could even purchase from WAU. There is also the sponsorship clash.

There seems no current reason for Erebus to change and I seem to recall that they have already confirmed for Camaro.

Thanks for clarifying Stevo. I thought it might have been a closer tie. Dang it, thought we were going to offload Barry Ryan for a moment :)
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: murph_fan51 on May 04, 2022, 04:58:13 PM
Quote from: Bloopy on May 04, 2022, 01:22:42 PM
Quote from: stp01 on May 04, 2022, 07:56:44 AM
All the best to WAU. May their form from Perth continue into the next 5 years  ;D

That form looked so bad it's difficult to imagine they could repeat it. I also wonder how well Courtney would've done in the championship if they'd switched to Ford when he joined. His 10th place in 2011 is an all-time ATCC record for worst attempt at backing up a championship win from what I can see! Maybe they should've switched much earlier. ;D
I think the v8 sleuth has just released a pod on worst title defences.

Anyway, you can take Percat and the WAU sponsorship package with you to Ford. We'll happily keep SVG and Feeny, Brown and Kostecki.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: TheArrow on May 04, 2022, 06:11:59 PM
Wonder if the tie-in with Grove for the WP group has anything to do with this.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: WarrenK on May 04, 2022, 06:17:37 PM
Quote from: murph_fan51 on May 04, 2022, 04:58:13 PM

Anyway, you can take Percat and the WAU sponsorship package with you to Ford. We'll happily keep SVG and Feeny, Brown and Kostecki.
Maybe WAU saw an oppurtuntiy to make some money by using a vehicle that is currently available for sale in Australia and is recognisble by the Australian puplic. The Camoro(which wouldn't be recognisable by most of the Australian general public) is about to become extinct in the car world and is from a company that is is virtually exticnt in Australia.  It appears the only people who(or will be crying} are the GM fan boys who look backwards and not forward like WAU.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: AlbertM on May 04, 2022, 08:56:33 PM
And they say the Blue Vs Red is dead.  Social media has many a red man already disowning WAU.

If the move is on. I think it's nothing more than Ford Performance offering WAU support and tapping into the Ford fan base. I'd be surprised if there is some road car deal involved.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Tickford8 on May 05, 2022, 08:21:22 AM
If it evens the balance on the grid, good. Walkinshaw has to look after his business and clearly, and if GM want nothing to do with him, what choice does he have? Loyalty isnt paying the bills..
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: skaifeman on May 06, 2022, 02:43:19 PM
Confirmed: https://www.walkinshawandrettiunited.com.au/media/story/2930/wau-and-ford-join-forces/

It seems they were happy to take up some 'factory' support. Which would mean they must be receiving funding or discounted panels etc.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: stevo qld on May 06, 2022, 02:52:01 PM
Quote from: skaifeman on May 06, 2022, 02:43:19 PM
Confirmed: https://www.walkinshawandrettiunited.com.au/media/story/2930/wau-and-ford-join-forces/

It seems they were happy to take up some 'factory' support. Which would mean they must be receiving funding or discounted panels etc.

looking at the big gun executives from the USA, this might just be Chapter One for WAU and the Walkies.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: murph_fan51 on May 06, 2022, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: Troy01505 on May 04, 2022, 10:55:20 AM
Why would they go to Ford with such a disadvantage? Oh that's right, they are disadvantaged in any brand of car!

Ford special Vehicles mass producing performance Mustang's and Rangers would be the only reason.
Who's buying them though? How many HSV Colorado were sold? How many Camaro were sold? The Mustang is overpriced in standard spec here in Aus/NZ, let alone tuned versions so can't see that being the only reason?
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Troy01505 on May 06, 2022, 06:25:33 PM
Quote from: murph_fan51 on May 06, 2022, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: Troy01505 on May 04, 2022, 10:55:20 AM
Why would they go to Ford with such a disadvantage? Oh that's right, they are disadvantaged in any brand of car!

Ford special Vehicles mass producing performance Mustang's and Rangers would be the only reason.
Who's buying them though? How many HSV Colorado were sold? How many Camaro were sold? The Mustang is overpriced in standard spec here in Aus/NZ, let alone tuned versions so can't see that being the only reason?

Mustangs here are everywhere.

Walkinshaw will get the entire HSV buyer base plus a fair few of XR8/XR6 nuts that still want RWD cars. Do the sums. Even if they get the same customer base as the HSVs did they'll be turning a decent profit
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: skaifeman on May 06, 2022, 08:04:00 PM
Quote from: Troy01505 on May 06, 2022, 06:25:33 PM
Quote from: murph_fan51 on May 06, 2022, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: Troy01505 on May 04, 2022, 10:55:20 AM
Why would they go to Ford with such a disadvantage? Oh that's right, they are disadvantaged in any brand of car!

Ford special Vehicles mass producing performance Mustang's and Rangers would be the only reason.
Who's buying them though? How many HSV Colorado were sold? How many Camaro were sold? The Mustang is overpriced in standard spec here in Aus/NZ, let alone tuned versions so can't see that being the only reason?

Mustangs here are everywhere.

Walkinshaw will get the entire HSV buyer base plus a fair few of XR8/XR6 nuts that still want RWD cars. Do the sums. Even if they get the same customer base as the HSVs did they'll be turning a decent profit

Yeah sure, they might shift 500 of them a year if they're lucky. That's not mass production.

...and this: https://www.speedcafe.com/torquecafe/ford-rules-out-walkinshaw-road-car-deal/
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: stevo qld on May 06, 2022, 08:15:56 PM
Quote from: skaifeman on May 06, 2022, 08:04:00 PM
Quote from: Troy01505 on May 06, 2022, 06:25:33 PM
Quote from: murph_fan51 on May 06, 2022, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: Troy01505 on May 04, 2022, 10:55:20 AM
Why would they go to Ford with such a disadvantage? Oh that's right, they are disadvantaged in any brand of car!

Ford special Vehicles mass producing performance Mustang's and Rangers would be the only reason.
Who's buying them though? How many HSV Colorado were sold? How many Camaro were sold? The Mustang is overpriced in standard spec here in Aus/NZ, let alone tuned versions so can't see that being the only reason?

Mustangs here are everywhere.

Walkinshaw will get the entire HSV buyer base plus a fair few of XR8/XR6 nuts that still want RWD cars. Do the sums. Even if they get the same customer base as the HSVs did they'll be turning a decent profit

Yeah sure, they might shift 500 of them a year if they're lucky. That's not mass production.
mass production is not the aim.

PROFIT is king. ;D
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Dasha on May 07, 2022, 01:44:35 PM
This is great news as far as I am concerned & to have Mostert back with the blue oval is fantastic.
Also having more competitive Fords out there especially for Bathurst can only be a good thing. ;) ;)
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Troy01505 on May 07, 2022, 07:14:39 PM
Quote from: Dasha on May 07, 2022, 01:44:35 PM
This is great news as far as I am concerned & to have Mostert back with the blue oval is fantastic.
Also having more competitive Fords out there especially for Bathurst can only be a good thing. ;) ;)

Unless Walkinshaw have a Kelly like curse with building cars, been a long, long time since they've been a threat
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Zac on May 09, 2022, 06:00:51 PM
John Bowe's take on 'WAU to race Mustangs':

https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/05/09/bowe-wau-owes-holden-nothing/

"I generally think the fan base now is more team-related than car brand-related."
"I don't think the loyalty to a Ford badge or a Holden badge or a GM badge is anything like it used to be. It's more team-related, and to a certain degree, driver-related."
Exactly - and heading that way more and more.

Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 10, 2022, 04:21:29 PM
JB always says some great things!!

"So good luck to them, and it will be good because it means there will be a few more Mustangs out there. They're pretty good operators so I think it will be great.

"There's too many Holdens now and you can't even buy a Holden; Holden don't exist."

https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/05/09/bowe-wau-owes-holden-nothing/
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Zac on May 10, 2022, 06:30:20 PM
I agree - and JB would know. He races one, and you know how JB and I get along  :-*
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 11, 2022, 06:04:36 AM
Quote from: Zac on May 10, 2022, 06:30:20 PM
I agree - and JB would know. He races one, and you know how JB and I get along  :-*

LOL, yes indeed.....seen that first hand!! :D
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: hsv8fan on May 11, 2022, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: Zac on May 10, 2022, 06:30:20 PM
I agree - and JB would know. He races one, and you know how JB and I get along  :-*

Doesn't John Bowe race a Torana?
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Dasha on May 11, 2022, 12:00:06 PM
I have been following the sport since the Touring car days from 1980 & have always been a Ford fan after following Dick Johnson who has kept his loyalty to the Ford brand & I think that DJ has stayed loyal to Ford due to his beginning with the rock & the way the Ford fans got behind him & basically kick started his career.
To be honest if DJR went to Holden / Chev it would break my heart as I have always seen DJR as a Ford team.
I totally understand that drivers have to go where they think they have a better chance of building a successful career, but to be honest there is something about loyalty that appeals to me..
In other sports like AFL you can have a favorite player & when he or she moves to another club to be honest it does get you down, especially when you see then in a club you don't like & they kick your butt   ;)

Anyway what I am trying to say is that I do like following certain drivers that you like & they stay loyal to the brand also the main reason I have followed the sport is the Ford V Holden rivalry, now Ford V Chev rivalry which I believe is the main thing that people that follow Supercars.

So after saying that what do the rest of you like about the category, is it the old Ford V Holden / Chev rivalry or a certain team or driver ?   

   
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: the undertaker on May 11, 2022, 12:30:44 PM
I follow Ford, I have through thick and thin. If drivers change teams and makes, my support for them stops. When Moff raced the Monza and RX7 I didn't barrack for him.

Personal opinion only.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: mikeamerica84 on May 11, 2022, 04:11:38 PM
Quote from: Dasha on May 11, 2022, 12:00:06 PM
Anyway what I am trying to say is that I do like following certain drivers that you like & they stay loyal to the brand also the main reason I have followed the sport is the Ford V Holden rivalry, now Ford V Chev rivalry which I believe is the main thing that people that follow Supercars.

So after saying that what do the rest of you like about the category, is it the old Ford V Holden / Chev rivalry or a certain team or driver ?   


For the better part of 35 years I have been brand loyal as a Ford man, but as time goes by and things change, I am more driver loyal.  As for my own road vehicles, brand loyalty (Ford) has pretty much gone out with about the same time frame/period.  I can keep any brand running on the road for a long period of time.  Does not matter the make.  I let Sue decide what she wants and take her castoffs now and keep them going until they are completely done.

But driver loyalty is now my answer, sir.  Thank you for asking.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Zac on May 11, 2022, 04:41:51 PM
Quote from: REM on May 10, 2022, 04:21:29 PM
"There's too many Holdens now and you can't even buy a Holden; Holden don't exist."
https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/05/09/bowe-wau-owes-holden-nothing/

Quote from: hsv8fan on May 11, 2022, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: Zac on May 10, 2022, 06:30:20 PM
I agree - and JB would know. He races one, and you know how JB and I get along  :-*
Doesn't John Bowe race a Torana?

Yes, he does - a Holden Torana.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 11, 2022, 06:01:42 PM
Quote from: Zac on May 11, 2022, 04:41:51 PM
Quote from: REM on May 10, 2022, 04:21:29 PM
"There's too many Holdens now and you can't even buy a Holden; Holden don't exist."
https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/05/09/bowe-wau-owes-holden-nothing/

Quote from: hsv8fan on May 11, 2022, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: Zac on May 10, 2022, 06:30:20 PM
I agree - and JB would know. He races one, and you know how JB and I get along  :-*
Doesn't John Bowe race a Torana?

Yes, he does - a Holden Torana.

and a lovely bit of kit it is too....
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: LG on May 11, 2022, 08:54:23 PM
Quote from: hsv8fan on May 11, 2022, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: Zac on May 10, 2022, 06:30:20 PM
I agree - and JB would know. He races one, and you know how JB and I get along  :-*

Doesn't John Bowe race a Torana?

JB currently races many different makes of vehicles.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: murph_fan51 on May 12, 2022, 04:06:04 PM
Quote from: REM on May 10, 2022, 04:21:29 PM
JB always says some great things!!

"So good luck to them, and it will be good because it means there will be a few more Mustangs out there. They're pretty good operators so I think it will be great.

"There's too many Holdens now and you can't even buy a Holden; Holden don't exist."

https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/05/09/bowe-wau-owes-holden-nothing/
Yeah and you couldn't buy an FGX and they still raced them in Supercars. He makes it sound like no Holden should ever race again.
I think Bowe is right in the first part re manufacture rivalry is not there anymore. Heck you have SM with a Chevy bow tie in America and in Australia races with Blue Oval.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: billybanana on May 12, 2022, 04:54:51 PM
Red v Blue is dead. Never coming back. I don't know why the series keep banging on about it. It just infuriates me more given how GM shafted Holden. I couldn't care less what panels my preferred driver sticks on his shell.

Anyway back to WAU. Good luck to them and hopefully they can regain some on going consistency. No one likes or two teams dominating, no matter who you support.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 12, 2022, 06:03:29 PM
Quote from: billybanana on May 12, 2022, 04:54:51 PM
Red v Blue is dead. Never coming back. I don't know why the series keep banging on about it. It just infuriates me more given how GM shafted Holden. I couldn't care less what panels my preferred driver sticks on his shell.

Anyway back to WAU. Good luck to them and hopefully they can regain some on going consistency. No one likes or two teams dominating, no matter who you support.

They looked like a real emerging force last year.....less so this year.....really wrapped to have Chaz back.....but can he please stick away from Cam and JC and maybe run into SVG instead...... ;) :o
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: skaifeman on May 12, 2022, 06:09:39 PM
Quote from: REM on May 12, 2022, 06:03:29 PM
Quote from: billybanana on May 12, 2022, 04:54:51 PM
Red v Blue is dead. Never coming back. I don't know why the series keep banging on about it. It just infuriates me more given how GM shafted Holden. I couldn't care less what panels my preferred driver sticks on his shell.

Anyway back to WAU. Good luck to them and hopefully they can regain some on going consistency. No one likes or two teams dominating, no matter who you support.

They looked like a real emerging force last year.....less so this year.....really wrapped to have Chaz back.....but can he please stick away from Cam and JC and maybe run into SVG instead...... ;) :o

To be fair they've been pretty good this year, the best they've been in a decade, until the last race meeting.
Compared to last season, they're still better off. We all just remember Bathurst...
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 12, 2022, 06:33:49 PM
Quote from: skaifeman on May 12, 2022, 06:09:39 PM
Quote from: REM on May 12, 2022, 06:03:29 PM
Quote from: billybanana on May 12, 2022, 04:54:51 PM
Red v Blue is dead. Never coming back. I don't know why the series keep banging on about it. It just infuriates me more given how GM shafted Holden. I couldn't care less what panels my preferred driver sticks on his shell.

Anyway back to WAU. Good luck to them and hopefully they can regain some on going consistency. No one likes or two teams dominating, no matter who you support.

They looked like a real emerging force last year.....less so this year.....really wrapped to have Chaz back.....but can he please stick away from Cam and JC and maybe run into SVG instead...... ;) :o

To be fair they've been pretty good this year, the best they've been in a decade, until the last race meeting.
Compared to last season, they're still better off. We all just remember Bathurst...

Did you see Tassie? They won there last year!! How about WA? They were tail enders.....

I actually think if they can get there **** together, the scope is there to become the powerhouse Ford team....."ïf"....
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Zac on May 12, 2022, 08:56:54 PM
IF they can get their **** together. Too erratic in all areas for mine. Since the team's inception in 2017 (as 'Walkinshaw', before morphing into WAU), this team has finished 7th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 4th in the Teams Championship, and in 2022 is currently 6th. That's regularly last of the 'big' teams. Teamwork, car setup, drivers, etc are all capable of big results but are overall a bit on the erratic side. Maybe a change to Gen3 and a change of brand will bring better things. I predict a slight improvement for the rest of this year, maybe up a spot or two next year...  at best. 
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: stevo qld on May 12, 2022, 09:11:43 PM
I am curious about the Mustang Supercar testing with revised Aero in the USA and whether it has any effect on the Aero of the Gen 3 Mustangs, of which WAU is one of the entrants.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: TheArrow on May 12, 2022, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: stevo qld on May 12, 2022, 09:11:43 PM
I am curious about the Mustang Supercar testing with revised Aero in the USA and whether it has any effect on the Aero of the Gen 3 Mustangs, of which WAU is one of the entrants.
Did you read any of the articles about it? V8Sleuth had the best one that I read.

Nothing at all to do with Supercars or Gen3 or anything.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: stevo qld on May 12, 2022, 11:02:23 PM
Quote from: TheArrow on May 12, 2022, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: stevo qld on May 12, 2022, 09:11:43 PM
I am curious about the Mustang Supercar testing with revised Aero in the USA and whether it has any effect on the Aero of the Gen 3 Mustangs, of which WAU is one of the entrants.
Did you read any of the articles about it? V8Sleuth had the best one that I read.

Nothing at all to do with Supercars or Gen3 or anything.

So they say. V8 Supercars claim to control the intellectual property of the car design.

I did rad the article an that is why I remain curious.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: TheArrow on May 12, 2022, 11:05:21 PM
Quote from: stevo qld on May 12, 2022, 11:02:23 PM
Quote from: TheArrow on May 12, 2022, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: stevo qld on May 12, 2022, 09:11:43 PM
I am curious about the Mustang Supercar testing with revised Aero in the USA and whether it has any effect on the Aero of the Gen 3 Mustangs, of which WAU is one of the entrants.
Did you read any of the articles about it? V8Sleuth had the best one that I read.

Nothing at all to do with Supercars or Gen3 or anything.

So they say. V8 Supercars claim to control the intellectual property of the car design.

I did rad the article an that is why I remain curious.
We're getting slightly off topic but the car had numerous aero and other features removed at Supercars request so even if any information could be gathered it is highly unlikely it would be of any use, especially with Gen3 around the corner and this being a (modified) Gen2 car.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 13, 2022, 07:04:59 AM
Quote from: Zac on May 12, 2022, 08:56:54 PM
IF they can get their **** together. Too erratic in all areas for mine. Since the team's inception in 2017 (as 'Walkinshaw', before morphing into WAU), this team has finished 7th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 4th in the Teams Championship, and in 2022 is currently 6th. That's regularly last of the 'big' teams. Teamwork, car setup, drivers, etc are all capable of big results but are overall a bit on the erratic side. Maybe a change to Gen3 and a change of brand will bring better things. I predict a slight improvement for the rest of this year, maybe up a spot or two next year...  at best.


True Gil, but consider this....currently there is only a 100 points between Chaz and Courtney and JC is closing in......so many people talked Chaz up(as the one to beat SVG) and crapped on JC....it's kind of mind boggling.....

The WAU supporters group FB page is interesting......a pervasive dysphoria....people don't know what to do, some are switching or leaving, some are unsure, a bunch staying and going blue...and some hardcore T8/Holden fans putting **** on everything and everyone....I feel for the moderators who seem like nice people....strange days indeed!!
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: skaifeman on May 13, 2022, 09:24:53 AM
Quote from: REM on May 13, 2022, 07:04:59 AM
Quote from: Zac on May 12, 2022, 08:56:54 PM
IF they can get their **** together. Too erratic in all areas for mine. Since the team's inception in 2017 (as 'Walkinshaw', before morphing into WAU), this team has finished 7th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 4th in the Teams Championship, and in 2022 is currently 6th. That's regularly last of the 'big' teams. Teamwork, car setup, drivers, etc are all capable of big results but are overall a bit on the erratic side. Maybe a change to Gen3 and a change of brand will bring better things. I predict a slight improvement for the rest of this year, maybe up a spot or two next year...  at best.


True Gil, but consider this....currently there is only a 100 points between Chaz and Courtney and JC is closing in......so many people talked Chaz up(as the one to beat SVG) and crapped on JC....it's kind of mind boggling.....

The WAU supporters group FB page is interesting......a pervasive dysphoria....people don't know what to do, some are switching or leaving, some are unsure, a bunch staying and going blue...and some hardcore T8/Holden fans putting **** on everything and everyone....I feel for the moderators who seem like nice people....strange days indeed!!

It's a tough one REM. The fans in the Walkinshaw fold are so engrained red. The link between the road/race was so strong.
You can't pull up to a bar with your mates with a Blue cap on after wearing a Red one for so long can you? And with WAU Factory support, it will be Blue!

This becomes the nail in my coffin to become just a 'racing' fan. Over time my favourite driver has gone, Australian manufacturing has gone, Holden has gone, now WAU leaves. I fully understand the older guys on here talking about 'the good old days.'
That's not to say I'm not as invested/interested in the sport, it's just I'm there for the sport itself now. Not fully impartial, I'll still be a GM man, but racing is the reason more so than drivers/teams.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: stevo qld on May 13, 2022, 01:57:00 PM
A lot of people felt the same when Dick Johnson moved from Holden to Ford.

It is a business and if your sponsor says go Ford, then you go Ford (or vice versa). In this case the sponsor is Ford itself.

I suspect that a lot of Holden fans moved on, some years ago, from Walkinshaws to back winners.

I hope t6hey are competitive in gen 3.

Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: skaifeman on May 13, 2022, 02:54:11 PM
Quote from: stevo qld on May 13, 2022, 01:57:00 PM
A lot of people felt the same when Dick Johnson moved from Holden to Ford.

It is a business and if your sponsor says go Ford, then you go Ford (or vice versa). In this case the sponsor is Ford itself.

I suspect that a lot of Holden fans moved on, some years ago, from Walkinshaws to back winners.

I hope t6hey are competitive in gen 3.

A lot did, however many that remained were the ones that owned HSV's or modified Commodore's, understood the bloodline of the company and how it flowed into factory and then upgrade (and a perceived sense of 'official' performance partner) kits.
These are the supporters that WAU will lose. I doubt those with HSV's in the garage will be heading out to buy the latest Ford WAU hat. Hell, I'm one of them. Like I said, you can't own a HSV/SS and wear a Blue hat to the pub, after ribbing them for years.

As Brocky famously said, you'll lose 50% of fans but gain 50% from the other side, so nothing changes.
I understand the business decision, there's no link with GM anymore, and obviously Ryan and co. don't see a bright future for the Camaro, or at least not good enough to stick around and not get paid by running it!
There's no hard feelings, and I wish them well, I'll always have a soft spot for that team and the helmet in the logo.

And I'd suggest Dick leaving Holden was a slightly different situation, Dick didn't have an affiliation with the factory that produced over 90,000 vehicles - sold mostly to enthusiasts.
I'd say this would be best compared to the Holden and HDT split that led Brock to shift to BMW and eventually the Blue Oval. Or equally, if DJR were to run Camaro's next year.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Troy01505 on May 15, 2022, 08:47:45 PM
HRT lost me the moment Lowndes went to Ford, triple 8 got my support based Soley on Lowndes, it became team based support later onas I watched Jdub develop into the best driver the series has ever seen BUT, in saying that I supported Scotty at GRM and also shell even though he joined the dark side (I have a heap of clothing and scale models). Now I am a driver based fan.

In my opinion was more controversy when Triple 8 left Ford then what I've seen regarding WAU but you hardcore Fordies hold grudges where as we just ditch em and move on.

WAU and the old HRT haven't done 2/5s of **** all for a decade or more until Bathurst last year, even this year they showed they can not improve on a good car at the same rate as their competitors, but neither can Tickford.

I am tipping the new generation to be much the same as now, those making and spending the most will be up top (triple 8 and Ryan Story) and the rest just grabbing the scraps when ever they fluke a good set up.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: TheArrow on May 15, 2022, 10:47:31 PM


Quote from: Troy01505 on May 15, 2022, 08:47:45 PM

In my opinion was more controversy when Triple 8 left Ford then what I've seen regarding WAU but you hardcore Fordies hold grudges where as we just ditch em and move on.

Gibson had to hire body guards to protect Lowndes at the first events as a Ford driver because they had received threats from Holden fans that they would kill him.

But Holden fans just ditch and move on...
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 16, 2022, 07:49:10 AM
Quote from: TheArrow on May 15, 2022, 10:47:31 PM


Quote from: Troy01505 on May 15, 2022, 08:47:45 PM

In my opinion was more controversy when Triple 8 left Ford then what I've seen regarding WAU but you hardcore Fordies hold grudges where as we just ditch em and move on.

Gibson had to hire body guards to protect Lowndes at the first events as a Ford driver because they had received threats from Holden fans that they would kill him.

But Holden fans just ditch and move on...

I was going to let that slide haha! Rusty got death threats too...

Ditch and move on? Sounds like a GM approach........(Ouch, did I just say that!! ;D)
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: skaifeman on May 16, 2022, 09:15:41 AM
Quote from: REM on May 16, 2022, 07:49:10 AM
Quote from: TheArrow on May 15, 2022, 10:47:31 PM


Quote from: Troy01505 on May 15, 2022, 08:47:45 PM

In my opinion was more controversy when Triple 8 left Ford then what I've seen regarding WAU but you hardcore Fordies hold grudges where as we just ditch em and move on.

Gibson had to hire body guards to protect Lowndes at the first events as a Ford driver because they had received threats from Holden fans that they would kill him.

But Holden fans just ditch and move on...

I was going to let that slide haha! Rusty got death threats too...

Ditch and move on? Sounds like a GM approach........(Ouch, did I just say that!! ;D)

Kelly's also received death threats moving to Nissan in 2012. Skaife in 2010 as well.
There's always a handful that want to ruin it for everyone.

From what I've seen so far of the WAU swap is disappointment maybe a few angry. Nothing beyond that. Vast majority understand it's a business.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 16, 2022, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: skaifeman on May 16, 2022, 09:15:41 AM
Quote from: REM on May 16, 2022, 07:49:10 AM
Quote from: TheArrow on May 15, 2022, 10:47:31 PM


Quote from: Troy01505 on May 15, 2022, 08:47:45 PM

In my opinion was more controversy when Triple 8 left Ford then what I've seen regarding WAU but you hardcore Fordies hold grudges where as we just ditch em and move on.

Gibson had to hire body guards to protect Lowndes at the first events as a Ford driver because they had received threats from Holden fans that they would kill him.

But Holden fans just ditch and move on...

I was going to let that slide haha! Rusty got death threats too...

Ditch and move on? Sounds like a GM approach........(Ouch, did I just say that!! ;D)

Kelly's also received death threats moving to Nissan in 2012. Skaife in 2010 as well.
There's always a handful that want to ruin it for everyone.

From what I've seen so far of the WAU swap is disappointment maybe a few angry. Nothing beyond that. Vast majority understand it's a business.
Agreed and I think with the demise of Holden, it's perhaps easier for some to let go of just now too...
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: skaifeman on May 16, 2022, 12:04:02 PM
Quote from: REM on May 16, 2022, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: skaifeman on May 16, 2022, 09:15:41 AM
Quote from: REM on May 16, 2022, 07:49:10 AM
Quote from: TheArrow on May 15, 2022, 10:47:31 PM


Quote from: Troy01505 on May 15, 2022, 08:47:45 PM

In my opinion was more controversy when Triple 8 left Ford then what I've seen regarding WAU but you hardcore Fordies hold grudges where as we just ditch em and move on.

Gibson had to hire body guards to protect Lowndes at the first events as a Ford driver because they had received threats from Holden fans that they would kill him.

But Holden fans just ditch and move on...

I was going to let that slide haha! Rusty got death threats too...

Ditch and move on? Sounds like a GM approach........(Ouch, did I just say that!! ;D)

Kelly's also received death threats moving to Nissan in 2012. Skaife in 2010 as well.
There's always a handful that want to ruin it for everyone.

From what I've seen so far of the WAU swap is disappointment maybe a few angry. Nothing beyond that. Vast majority understand it's a business.
Agreed and I think with the demise of Holden, it's perhaps easier for some to let go of just now too...

You're probably right. Writing has been on the wall for a while now.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: AlbertM on May 17, 2022, 01:38:49 AM
Quote from: Troy01505 on May 15, 2022, 08:47:45 PM
In my opinion was more controversy when Triple 8 left Ford then what I've seen regarding WAU but you hardcore Fordies hold grudges where as we just ditch em and move on.

Hot damn! And some say Red Vs Blue is dead. 

Given the recent talking down of WAU by red fans shows they are a little bit miffed.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 17, 2022, 07:23:45 AM
Quote from: AlbertM on May 17, 2022, 01:38:49 AM
Quote from: Troy01505 on May 15, 2022, 08:47:45 PM
In my opinion was more controversy when Triple 8 left Ford then what I've seen regarding WAU but you hardcore Fordies hold grudges where as we just ditch em and move on.

Hot damn! And some say Red Vs Blue is dead. 

Given the recent talking down of WAU by red fans shows they are a little bit miffed.

You mean on here? Zac has talked WAU down for years(and he says he's no longer red anyways), Skaifeman's comments seem reasoned....


Elsewhere- there seems to be 3 main responses, 1) Understandable and we'll follow them anyway, 2) I am going to follow lawn bowls from here 3) they are terrible traitors who would never amount to much......and, of course the silent response......I assume that it still a state of shock......I think the overall response has been quite good and surprising.....but then again, being a die hard red head nowadays is all about SVG ain't it! 
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: CP on May 17, 2022, 09:19:35 AM
Some of you lot do realise that Tom would've done the Ford deal if he was still around? 😏
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Bloopy on May 17, 2022, 01:19:36 PM
Quote from: REM on May 17, 2022, 07:23:45 AM
2) I am going to follow lawn bowls from here

Retiring from driving is no reason to cease the battle! I could see ex-drivers playing red vs blue lawn bowls being an exciting part of future Supercars coverage. ;D
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: AlbertM on May 17, 2022, 08:15:15 PM
Quote from: REM on May 17, 2022, 07:23:45 AM
Quote from: AlbertM on May 17, 2022, 01:38:49 AM
Quote from: Troy01505 on May 15, 2022, 08:47:45 PM
In my opinion was more controversy when Triple 8 left Ford then what I've seen regarding WAU but you hardcore Fordies hold grudges where as we just ditch em and move on.

Hot damn! And some say Red Vs Blue is dead. 

Given the recent talking down of WAU by red fans shows they are a little bit miffed.

You mean on here? Zac has talked WAU down for years(and he says he's no longer red anyways), Skaifeman's comments seem reasoned....


Elsewhere- there seems to be 3 main responses, 1) Understandable and we'll follow them anyway, 2) I am going to follow lawn bowls from here 3) they are terrible traitors who would never amount to much......and, of course the silent response......I assume that it still a state of shock......I think the overall response has been quite good and surprising.....but then again, being a die hard red head nowadays is all about SVG ain't it!

Social media in general.  My observation has seen a mostly subdued reponse. 
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: EgoFG on May 18, 2022, 12:38:02 AM
Red Vs Blue in Australia is as alive as Red Vs Blue in USA
Except Both GM and Ford are blue here (arguably GMC might be red) - Red Vs Blue in USA is politics !
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 18, 2022, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: Bloopy on May 17, 2022, 01:19:36 PM
Quote from: REM on May 17, 2022, 07:23:45 AM
2) I am going to follow lawn bowls from here

Retiring from driving is no reason to cease the battle! I could see ex-drivers playing red vs blue lawn bowls being an exciting part of future Supercars coverage. ;D

Haha!! Bowie would sure play a mean blocking game.....


and CP....%100......he was a salesman first and foremost....
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: DRB05 on May 19, 2022, 08:50:41 PM
Quote from: skaifeman on May 03, 2022, 05:30:37 PM
Would they be in the mind to do more Ford conversions ala what they're doing with the Silverado? Maybe even an eye as the Ford homologation team given there's now a Penske sized hole in the market.

With the Ford announcement that they're bringing the F150 here next year and converting them to RHD and selling through dealers, my money is on Walkinshaw to be the partner in this. Nice tie in, get Ford factory support plus a deal to convert F150s
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: WarrenK on May 19, 2022, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: DRB05 on May 19, 2022, 08:50:41 PM
Quote from: skaifeman on May 03, 2022, 05:30:37 PM
Would they be in the mind to do more Ford conversions ala what they're doing with the Silverado? Maybe even an eye as the Ford homologation team given there's now a Penske sized hole in the market.

With the Ford announcement that they're bringing the F150 here next year and converting them to RHD and selling through dealers, my money is on Walkinshaw to be the partner in this. Nice tie in, get Ford factory support plus a deal to convert F150s
Walkinshaw will have nothing to do with F150 conversion.  "The F-150 will be remanufactured to right-hand drive by RMA Automotive at a facility in Mickleham, Victoria."
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 22, 2022, 05:20:57 PM
As good as it will be to see Chaz back at home in the blue, really hope that WAU can find some consistency!
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Troy01505 on May 27, 2022, 04:24:58 PM
Ryan interested! Only a matter of time before we can buy a Mustang similar to the Commodores HSV upgrades I reckon.

https://autoaction.com.au/2022/05/26/walkinshaw-interested-in-expanding-performance-business-with-ford?fbclid=IwAR2sYXEj0nzysElrvRUMxwTWw4nCG5qhDxOQGvRSpWHVCvKhUSsfMJjrs6E&fs=e&s=cl
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: murph_fan51 on May 27, 2022, 07:05:52 PM
Quote from: Troy01505 on May 27, 2022, 04:24:58 PM
Ryan interested! Only a matter of time before we can buy a Mustang similar to the Commodores HSV upgrades I reckon.

https://autoaction.com.au/2022/05/26/walkinshaw-interested-in-expanding-performance-business-with-ford?fbclid=IwAR2sYXEj0nzysElrvRUMxwTWw4nCG5qhDxOQGvRSpWHVCvKhUSsfMJjrs6E&fs=e&s=cl
Return of FPV or SVO?
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: skaifeman on May 27, 2022, 08:01:18 PM
Quote from: Troy01505 on May 27, 2022, 04:24:58 PM
Ryan interested! Only a matter of time before we can buy a Mustang similar to the Commodores HSV upgrades I reckon.

https://autoaction.com.au/2022/05/26/walkinshaw-interested-in-expanding-performance-business-with-ford?fbclid=IwAR2sYXEj0nzysElrvRUMxwTWw4nCG5qhDxOQGvRSpWHVCvKhUSsfMJjrs6E&fs=e&s=cl

Highly doubt it'll reflect what HSV had with Holden. More likely to be what they're currently doing with the Amarok and the VE/F performance upgrades.
It'll be tough for them, because Tickford and even Herrod would be more so seen as the 'official' factory partner.

I don't think we'll ever again see a local performance arm do what HSV and FPV did in their time.
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on May 30, 2022, 09:58:51 AM
https://www.supercars.com/videos/championship/ryan-walkinshaw-opens-up-on-ford-switch-for-gen3/?fbclid=IwAR1dJ1RfzmnDjyKVPU-JJBnvqOKSLYSYMZOfxW0x_dkA1EuO1y0mcSVT

This is a really good interview and Ryan makes a fair case! No doubt his points about access to support from Ford Performance and fairness with support re the Camaro and T8 will provoke conjecture.....his comments about the broad ongoing support(including financial) from Ford are also noteworthy....a great interview....
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: Dasha on June 04, 2022, 03:59:53 PM
Some realy interesting comments, I can understand & respect that there is different opinions.

But as I have mentioned "the main thing I have loved about this category over the years has been the Red V Blue side of things.
Although there will be no Holden branding next year, there will still be a GM V Ford element, so I will still be cheering for the Blue oval V the GM Camaro. 
Title: Re: WAU to race Mustangs
Post by: REM on June 05, 2022, 07:35:34 AM
Nice to see you Dash!  ;) :D