Who is going, who is going to win, does anyone care if SVG wins?
I'm just happy you spelt spoilers correctly ;D
Would have been nice to go but funds are tight and I didn't have creds so it would have cost me a bundle that I couldn't afford.
Quote from: madbugger on July 28, 2022, 07:46:00 AM
I'm just happy you spelt spoilers correctly ;D
I beg to differ, bugger. It is spelled differrentely on this forum.
Thanks for starting the thread, Trev. Say "Hi" to Hazel for us.
I'm expecting the Shell cars to win here. They were bloody fast here last year (especially ADP) and they have the wind in the sails right now.
SVG will be hard to top, but hoping Camo and the beast of a 6 Stang can jag a win....
Another boring race meeting, according to Channel 7 and Supercars.
A 1 hour broadcast from 8.30 to 9.30 each day, but being Channel 7, it will probably start late.
That's 20 minutes of advertising, heaps of talking heads and replays, with about 25 to 30 minutes of highlights, after they cut out the boring bits. :( ::)
From the ridiculous to the sublime:
Friday: 08:40am - 05:00pm
Saturday: 07:35am - 06:30pm
Sunday: 08:00am - 04:45pm
That's over 28 hours. I'll record about 7-8 hours to view later, zap through the ads and talking heads, and enjoy about 4-5 hours of it.
It's a ford track. I am predicting ford 1-2 all weekend.
Quote from: Troy01505 on July 30, 2022, 09:01:41 AM
It's a ford track. I am predicting ford 1-2 all weekend.
What makes it a Ford track?
WOW.. Zak Best has been very impressive!
And now pole!!
Quote from: Joe5619 on July 30, 2022, 02:36:13 PM
WOW.. Zak Best has been very impressive!
Just fantastic. To beat Courtney and Waters in the same car (along with the rest of the field!), what the hell! Congratulations.
When was the last time we had a wildcard (privateer) on pole, in a blank car!
Unbelievable!
Good on him.
The first lap could be very interesting.
That's really impressive. He may struggle with the intensity of the race at this level but clearly he has the raw speed and the rest will come with experience.
Quote from: LG on July 30, 2022, 02:54:21 PM
Unbelievable!
Good on him.
The first lap could be very interesting.
I'd imagine that SVG will give him the elbows, and Waters didn't seem too stoked about being behind either.
Good luck to the young man, will be interesting to watch.
I reckon Best jumped the start. He creeped a few times and looked to be moving when the lights went green.
...He's been cleared, very close.
If they pinged Best for the start they would have had to ping SVG as well. Both moved before "lights out".
Both moved, although I thought Best still was moving. Obviously not.
Not the first time this has happened, taking absolutely nothing away from Best:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/07/30/controversy-over-supercars-wildcard-tyre-batches/
It was wet tyres when this issue was previously raised.
There is an echo in here.
And what a surprise a Mustang does well, they must investigate.
Quote from: Troy01505 on July 30, 2022, 09:01:41 AM
It's a ford track. I am predicting ford 1-2 all weekend.
hmmmmm, SVG again - boring
Quote from: AlbertM on July 31, 2022, 04:16:16 AM
There is an echo in here.
And what a surprise a Mustang does well, they must investigate.
Yeah usual crap!
Best wheels were not turning when the lights dropped and his wheels were not past the line at that point. SVG same deal. Both well within the rules.
I knew best was good but holy crap! Tickford need to sign him before Story beats them to it.
Quote from: Troy01505 on July 31, 2022, 10:56:33 AM
I knew best was good but holy crap! Tickford need to sign him before Story beats them to it.
Wonder how tight De Pasquale's contract is...
He doesn't have what it takes and has terrible racecraft so don't see much reason to retain him as the next big young gun tbh.
Quote from: Ospif1 on July 31, 2022, 11:14:33 AM
Quote from: Troy01505 on July 31, 2022, 10:56:33 AM
I knew best was good but holy crap! Tickford need to sign him before Story beats them to it.
Wonder how tight De Pasquale's contract is...
He doesn't have what it takes and has terrible racecraft so don't see much reason to retain him as the next big young gun tbh.
Maybe, maybe not. Does he have a new car, Fabs old car or Scotty's old car? I ask because Fabs had struggles at times and perhaps it's a gremlin in the car.
DJR have lost their way since Penske left, yea they are still good but their car is not yo the standard Penske money had it. That could very well be because it is an absolute waste of money searching for a bees dick when the car is not going beyond this season.
I'd replace Davo before Anton but I am an advocate for the young guys over old blokes that have had the best cars in the best teams with the biggest budgets and blew it.
With a time certain finish this should have been a SC start to get them moving rather than 5 minute wait for a standing start
Oh that had to hurt.
What happened to Kim Jones? Is he not part of BJR anymore?
I think he parted ways a couple of years ago.
SVG clinical yet again. There's no one in the field that can consistently take it to him.
Rain, the equaliser and we're seeing just how much better SVG is than the rest.
I never though Paul Morris was effective as a competitor, but I find it amazing how many good, young racers have been through the Norwell training. It is even more obvious when it rains.....
that was a big owie at the start of the first race today :'( hoping to get good news from Thomas and Andre soon
2nd race today was a ripper, esp the start with so much close racing and very little contact.
picking who to give points to for the esteemed v8c cup will be a challenge
Holden taking out the Manufacturer's Championship in the final year in which the marque competes.
Holden don't exist. The marque was pulled down and packed away two years ago.
Quote from: Westfield on July 31, 2022, 05:26:07 PM
I never though Paul Morris was effective as a competitor, but I find it amazing how many good, young racers have been through the Norwell training. It is even more obvious when it rains.....
Think Morris was to hot headed to reach his full potential but he certainly has an eye for talent and has helped some future superstars.
Feeny must be the new Mr Consistent, hopefully the let unleash his inner beast next year.
Quote from: AlbertM on July 31, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
Holden don't exist. The marque was pulled down and packed away two years ago.
Yes, however the ZB Commodore racecars are still recognised by the Supercars category as Holdens, and Supercars themselves say Holden have clinched the Manufacturer's Championship.
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/holden-clinches-2022-manufacturers-title/
The Holden marque may have been retired the other year but does not mean the ZBs are not Holdens.
They stopped making Ford Falcons in 2016. Does that mean Falcon did not win a championship in 2018?
Quote from: Trevor on July 28, 2022, 07:45:06 AM
Who is going, who is going to win, does anyone care if SVG wins?
so, does anyone care if SVG wins?
Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2022, 05:28:21 AM
Quote from: Trevor on July 28, 2022, 07:45:06 AM
Who is going, who is going to win, does anyone care if SVG wins?
so, does anyone care if SVG wins?
Nope
Quote from: Troy01505 on August 01, 2022, 07:25:12 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2022, 05:28:21 AM
Quote from: Trevor on July 28, 2022, 07:45:06 AM
Who is going, who is going to win, does anyone care if SVG wins?
so, does anyone care if SVG wins?
Nope
I'm glad it is not just me then - just don't like the bloke
why is the teams championship over? still rounds to go? and only a small gap.
Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2022, 05:28:21 AM
Quote from: Trevor on July 28, 2022, 07:45:06 AM
Who is going, who is going to win, does anyone care if SVG wins?
so, does anyone care if SVG wins?
So easy to switch off these days....
Best's pole was the weekend highlight......ZB's are just way, way too strong...
Bathurst will be 25 versus 97.....
Quote from: REM on August 01, 2022, 08:17:33 AM
So easy to switch off these days....
Best's pole was the weekend highlight......ZB's are just way, way too strong...
Bathurst will be 25 versus 97.....
I did for the most part, I did all my chores and 'borrowed' my sons Kayo login and watched the last race yesterday arvo, turned off with about 5 laps to go, there was something more interesting to do outside, pick up dogsh!t ;D
Quote from: fordman on August 01, 2022, 08:04:40 AM
why is the teams championship over? still rounds to go? and only a small gap.
there are not enough rounds left for ford to overhaul holden.
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on July 31, 2022, 10:35:02 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on July 31, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
Holden don't exist. The marque was pulled down and packed away two years ago.
Yes, however the ZB Commodore racecars are still recognised by the Supercars category as Holdens, and Supercars themselves say Holden have clinched the Manufacturer's Championship.
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/holden-clinches-2022-manufacturers-title/
The Holden marque may have been retired the other year but does not mean the ZBs are not Holdens.
They stopped making Ford Falcons in 2016. Does that mean Falcon did not win a championship in 2018?
That's right, the marque is gone. Therefore it can not compete. I never said the ZB were not Holdens. Supercars has to play up the manufacturers trophy to keep have the Holden troglodytes happy.
And bad comparison with Falcon. Ford still exists, Falcons are still being raced.
Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2022, 08:26:36 AM
Quote from: REM on August 01, 2022, 08:17:33 AM
So easy to switch off these days....
Best's pole was the weekend highlight......ZB's are just way, way too strong...
Bathurst will be 25 versus 97.....
I did for the most part, I did all my chores and 'borrowed' my sons Kayo login and watched the last race yesterday arvo, turned off with about 5 laps to go, there was something more interesting to do outside, pick up dogsh!t ;D
It used to be so exciting, SVG versus Scotty was balls to the wall great stuff.....it's all just so just bland and predictable now.....anyways....
Quote from: fordman on August 01, 2022, 08:04:40 AM
why is the teams championship over? still rounds to go? and only a small gap.
Manufacturers (refer Albert's comment) Championship, not Teams Championship.
Glad to see both Andre and Randle avoided serious injuries, testament to the safety of these things, which lately have really proven themselves.
Shame that Mostert knocked Davo off, both had pace to challenge for the podium. Chaz put his hand up afterwards too (it was pretty clear), despite what was otherwise a great drive.
Brodie Kostecki always impresses in the rain - and when you compare that to his cousin over in the fantastic Tickford car...
Jesus Christ, I get sick of listening to Skaife dry-hump SVG's leg, bleating on about how great he is in the rain
Quote from: REM on August 01, 2022, 09:13:55 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2022, 08:26:36 AM
Quote from: REM on August 01, 2022, 08:17:33 AM
So easy to switch off these days....
Best's pole was the weekend highlight......ZB's are just way, way too strong...
Bathurst will be 25 versus 97.....
I did for the most part, I did all my chores and 'borrowed' my sons Kayo login and watched the last race yesterday arvo, turned off with about 5 laps to go, there was something more interesting to do outside, pick up dogsh!t ;D
It used to be so exciting, SVG versus Scotty was balls to the wall great stuff.....it's all just so just bland and predictable now.....anyways....
SVG is in a league of his own. He has the right car that has speed in reserve if needed.
Going into The Bend. A track that has been kind to the Mustang. Everyone thought we're in for a humdinger of a round. The title race might even get closer. Trevor started the thread Troy called it 1-2 for Ford. The telecast played up Ford's chances. Zac Best's pole position made it look like we're in for some good racing. In the end nothing changed.
SVG will eclipse Scotty's race wins in a season. Back then it was to the detrimental to the sport. Something had to be done to improve the racing. But now...
They are not going to change anything with the Gen 3 on the horizon - they are in 'caretaker mode'. Actually I reckon RACE's focus is on keeping the boat from sinking
Quote from: skaifeman on August 01, 2022, 09:39:49 AM
Quote from: fordman on August 01, 2022, 08:04:40 AM
why is the teams championship over? still rounds to go? and only a small gap.
Manufacturers (refer Albert's comment) Championship, not Teams Championship.
Glad to see both Andre and Randle avoided serious injuries, testament to the safety of these things, which lately have really proven themselves.
Shame that Mostert knocked Davo off, both had pace to challenge for the podium. Chaz put his hand up afterwards too (it was pretty clear), despite what was otherwise a great drive.
Brodie Kostecki always impresses in the rain - and when you compare that to his cousin over in the fantastic Tickford car...
Thanks for that my mistake.
Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
They are not going to change anything with the Gen 3 on the horizon - they are in 'caretaker mode'. Actually I reckon RACE's focus is on keeping the boat from sinking
Not wrong.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 01, 2022, 10:34:25 AM
Quote from: REM on August 01, 2022, 09:13:55 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2022, 08:26:36 AM
Quote from: REM on August 01, 2022, 08:17:33 AM
So easy to switch off these days....
Best's pole was the weekend highlight......ZB's are just way, way too strong...
Bathurst will be 25 versus 97.....
I did for the most part, I did all my chores and 'borrowed' my sons Kayo login and watched the last race yesterday arvo, turned off with about 5 laps to go, there was something more interesting to do outside, pick up dogsh!t ;D
It used to be so exciting, SVG versus Scotty was balls to the wall great stuff.....it's all just so just bland and predictable now.....anyways....
SVG is in a league of his own. He has the right car that has speed in reserve if needed.
Going into The Bend. A track that has been kind to the Mustang. Everyone thought we're in for a humdinger of a round. The title race might even get closer. Trevor started the thread Troy called it 1-2 for Ford. The telecast played up Ford's chances. Zac Best's pole position made it look like we're in for some good racing. In the end nothing changed.
SVG will eclipse Scotty's race wins in a season. Back then it was to the detrimental to the sport. Something had to be done to improve the racing. But now...
And they used the EXACT same cars as last year!!
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 01, 2022, 04:17:45 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on August 01, 2022, 10:34:25 AM
Quote from: REM on August 01, 2022, 09:13:55 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2022, 08:26:36 AM
Quote from: REM on August 01, 2022, 08:17:33 AM
So easy to switch off these days....
Best's pole was the weekend highlight......ZB's are just way, way too strong...
Bathurst will be 25 versus 97.....
I did for the most part, I did all my chores and 'borrowed' my sons Kayo login and watched the last race yesterday arvo, turned off with about 5 laps to go, there was something more interesting to do outside, pick up dogsh!t ;D
It used to be so exciting, SVG versus Scotty was balls to the wall great stuff.....it's all just so just bland and predictable now.....anyways....
SVG is in a league of his own. He has the right car that has speed in reserve if needed.
Going into The Bend. A track that has been kind to the Mustang. Everyone thought we're in for a humdinger of a round. The title race might even get closer. Trevor started the thread Troy called it 1-2 for Ford. The telecast played up Ford's chances. Zac Best's pole position made it look like we're in for some good racing. In the end nothing changed.
SVG will eclipse Scotty's race wins in a season. Back then it was to the detrimental to the sport. Something had to be done to improve the racing. But now...
And they used the EXACT same cars as last year!!
Yep, they were top 3 in the championship, won Bathurst...won pretty much everything...the Mustang has never achieved this, not even in 2019...imagine if it did....how severe would the handicappers be!! :D
Quote from: AlbertM on August 01, 2022, 09:00:05 AM
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on July 31, 2022, 10:35:02 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on July 31, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
Holden don't exist. The marque was pulled down and packed away two years ago.
Yes, however the ZB Commodore racecars are still recognised by the Supercars category as Holdens, and Supercars themselves say Holden have clinched the Manufacturer's Championship.
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/holden-clinches-2022-manufacturers-title/
The Holden marque may have been retired the other year but does not mean the ZBs are not Holdens.
They stopped making Ford Falcons in 2016. Does that mean Falcon did not win a championship in 2018?
That's right, the marque is gone. Therefore it can not compete. I never said the ZB were not Holdens. Supercars has to play up the manufacturers trophy to keep have the Holden troglodytes happy.
And bad comparison with Falcon. Ford still exists, Falcons are still being raced.
ZB Commodores are Holdens - Holdens are still being raced, even if the company does not exist.
But have it your way - well done Ford for coming second to a competitor that does not exist. Coming second in a one-horse race is not something you see every day.
I really cannot understand how someone could turn off the third race yesterday at any stage - there was great racing throughout the pack throughout the race. Not just good close racing with lots of 'real' position changes (on-track passes that were not a result of artificial gimmicks), but the skill that was on display was great to watch throughout the field. And the telecast was not just focused solely on the front-runner(s) so we got to see it too.
Guess that is me. Sure, a win always makes it more enjoyable, but I can still enjoy a great race even if results don't go my way. Good example was that Bathurst, (think maybe 2007?), where it was wet towards the end and three Falcons filled the podium but CL and Junior had a ripper race over those last few laps. ****ed if I will ever be the guy that would turn that off because Holden were not a chance - almost feel sorry for those that would deny themselves seeing good racing because of how results look like they are going to pan out, but then you see how those people carry on and realise sympathy should go to those that know them and have to put up with them and that attitude.
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 01, 2022, 04:17:45 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on August 01, 2022, 10:34:25 AM
Quote from: REM on August 01, 2022, 09:13:55 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2022, 08:26:36 AM
Quote from: REM on August 01, 2022, 08:17:33 AM
So easy to switch off these days....
Best's pole was the weekend highlight......ZB's are just way, way too strong...
Bathurst will be 25 versus 97.....
I did for the most part, I did all my chores and 'borrowed' my sons Kayo login and watched the last race yesterday arvo, turned off with about 5 laps to go, there was something more interesting to do outside, pick up dogsh!t ;D
It used to be so exciting, SVG versus Scotty was balls to the wall great stuff.....it's all just so just bland and predictable now.....anyways....
SVG is in a league of his own. He has the right car that has speed in reserve if needed.
Going into The Bend. A track that has been kind to the Mustang. Everyone thought we're in for a humdinger of a round. The title race might even get closer. Trevor started the thread Troy called it 1-2 for Ford. The telecast played up Ford's chances. Zac Best's pole position made it look like we're in for some good racing. In the end nothing changed.
SVG will eclipse Scotty's race wins in a season. Back then it was to the detrimental to the sport. Something had to be done to improve the racing. But now...
And they used the EXACT same cars as last year!!
And..? What point are you trying to make?
Who's Holden's second challenger after Giz? Maybe moz who's off to ford next year anyway, then daylight. I reckon the fords are doing ok.
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 01, 2022, 05:54:38 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on August 01, 2022, 09:00:05 AM
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on July 31, 2022, 10:35:02 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on July 31, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
Holden don't exist. The marque was pulled down and packed away two years ago.
Yes, however the ZB Commodore racecars are still recognised by the Supercars category as Holdens, and Supercars themselves say Holden have clinched the Manufacturer's Championship.
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/holden-clinches-2022-manufacturers-title/
The Holden marque may have been retired the other year but does not mean the ZBs are not Holdens.
They stopped making Ford Falcons in 2016. Does that mean Falcon did not win a championship in 2018?
That's right, the marque is gone. Therefore it can not compete. I never said the ZB were not Holdens. Supercars has to play up the manufacturers trophy to keep have the Holden troglodytes happy.
And bad comparison with Falcon. Ford still exists, Falcons are still being raced.
ZB Commodores are Holdens - Holdens are still being raced, even if the company does not exist.
But have it your way - well done Ford for coming second to a competitor that does not exist. Coming second in a one-horse race is not something you see every day.
They are race cars with badges. Built by the teams.
You said and I quote "Holden taking out the Manufacturer's Championship in the final year in which the marque competes." The marque is not competing , the marquee is dead. ZB is still being raced because there is no replacement. Not because it is backed by a marque.
If you want to get technical. ZB is not even a GM product, let alone a Holden.
Rage against it all you want, but it is not me you need to convince. Supercars are chalking up the win to Holden and adding it to their tally, so despite what you may think they are putting it on the scoreboard and in the history books.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 01, 2022, 06:22:51 PM
If you want to get technical. ZB is not even a GM product, let alone a Holden.
Quote from: skaifeman on July 30, 2022, 10:24:23 PM
Both moved, although I thought Best still was moving. Obviously not.
I looked back at the start more carefully, and it was seriously close. TV isn't necessarily that accurate, but after his first larger move it looked like Zak actually inched forward and stopped again twice more right before the lights went out. Gambling big time!
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 01, 2022, 07:06:13 PM
Rage against it all you want, but it is not me you need to convince. Supercars are chalking up the win to Holden and adding it to their tally, so despite what you may think they are putting it on the scoreboard and in the history books.
No rage. Just correcting your mis-information. I'm not denying Holdens Supercar record.
Quote from: Bloopy on August 01, 2022, 09:31:15 PM
Quote from: skaifeman on July 30, 2022, 10:24:23 PM
Both moved, although I thought Best still was moving. Obviously not.
I looked back at the start more carefully, and it was seriously close. TV isn't necessarily that accurate, but after his first larger move it looked like Zak actually inched forward and stopped again twice more right before the lights went out. Gambling big time!
The TV broadcast did not show the start. It had a quick intro, then commenced the race with Best leading on lap 2.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 01, 2022, 10:02:10 PM
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 01, 2022, 07:06:13 PM
Rage against it all you want, but it is not me you need to convince. Supercars are chalking up the win to Holden and adding it to their tally, so despite what you may think they are putting it on the scoreboard and in the history books.
No rage. Just correcting your mis-information. I'm not denying Holdens Supercar record.
lol, what exactly did you correct? I stated Holden won this year's Manufacturer's Championship. Posted a link from Supercars themselves saying Holden won the Manufacturer's Championship. What mis-information did you supposedly correct?
Quote from: AlbertM on August 01, 2022, 10:02:10 PM
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 01, 2022, 07:06:13 PM
Rage against it all you want, but it is not me you need to convince. Supercars are chalking up the win to Holden and adding it to their tally, so despite what you may think they are putting it on the scoreboard and in the history books.
No rage. Just correcting your mis-information. I'm not denying Holdens Supercar record.
Maybe they will fix the overall scoring next year., i.e.
All GM winners, including, Camaro, Nova etc, if any.
vs
All Ford winners.
ps: I do differ on somebody's comment about the Holden Supercar not being a GM product. If I am not mistaken, it was developed from a GM Opel to be sold in Australia, although later Holden road cars were produced by PSA after they purchased Opel.
oh yeah, it was great to see the commentating team up to their old antics, showing footage of the BJR driver using a windscreen cleaner. As soon as I saw it I thought 'here we go, penalty soon' and then that piece of **** James Taylor gives him a whack
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:55:17 AM
oh yeah, it was great to see the commentating team up to their old antics, showing footage of the BJR driver using a windscreen cleaner. As soon as I saw it I thought 'here we go, penalty soon' and then that piece of **** James Taylor gives him a whack
anything in the cab should be hit with it regardless of what it is. imagine what could be if Andre had one in his cab at 38G impact into Thomas... it would have done a lot more that a windscreen!
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:55:17 AM
oh yeah, it was great to see the commentating team up to their old antics, showing footage of the BJR driver using a windscreen cleaner. As soon as I saw it I thought 'here we go, penalty soon' and then that piece of **** James Taylor gives him a whack
Would be the production team that showed the footage - commentary team just talks to what production team show. "Here we go, production team up to their old antics of showing us things of interest".
Would you rather they don't show us these things? Don't show us replays of people getting turned around either, so as to avoid someone getting a penalty? Don't show us someone jumping the start? Don't show us cars getting dropped with a wheel-gun still on the wheel? Don't show us wheels spinning during a stop with the car up on jacks?
Or is it just the 100 mile per hour squeegee that should never be shown? At least you wouldn't have been one of the many calling for a penalty when Dumbrell was using a squeegee at Bathurst in 2017.
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:55:17 AM
oh yeah, it was great to see the commentating team up to their old antics, showing footage of the BJR driver using a windscreen cleaner. As soon as I saw it I thought 'here we go, penalty soon' and then that piece of **** James Taylor gives him a whack
They do a bloody good job for a two man effort! Do they handle the cameras too? :D
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:55:17 AM
oh yeah, it was great to see the commentating team up to their old antics, showing footage of the BJR driver using a windscreen cleaner. As soon as I saw it I thought 'here we go, penalty soon' and then that piece of **** James Taylor gives him a whack
I remember a few years back at Phillip Island (I think) the cameras caught a half dozen cars coming into pit lane cutting the final corner/crossing a line. They were all pinged. Then the question came up, who ELSE did this? The officials were using the TV camera crew to enforce their rules.
The next race there that round they stationed an official at pit entrance to actually watch for the infractions.
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 02, 2022, 08:05:55 AM
Would be the production team that showed the footage - commentary team just talks to what production team show. "Here we go, production team up to their old antics of showing us things of interest".
Would you rather they don't show us these things? Don't show us replays of people getting turned around either, so as to avoid someone getting a penalty? Don't show us someone jumping the start? Don't show us cars getting dropped with a wheel-gun still on the wheel? Don't show us wheels spinning during a stop with the car up on jacks?
Or is it just the 100 mile per hour squeegee that should never be shown? At least you wouldn't have been one of the many calling for a penalty when Dumbrell was using a squeegee at Bathurst in 2017.
you do know that Supercars owns the TV and the commentators right, there is this thing called 'Supercars TV' and it employs the commentators - these are NOT independent people
Quote from: skaifeman on August 02, 2022, 09:18:47 AM
They do a bloody good job for a two man effort! Do they handle the cameras too? :D
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
Commentators and the whole TV thing is owned by Supercars, NOT Ch 7 - wake the **** up
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on August 02, 2022, 09:34:09 AM
I remember a few years back at Phillip Island (I think) the cameras caught a half dozen cars coming into pit lane cutting the final corner/crossing a line. They were all pinged. Then the question came up, who ELSE did this? The officials were using the TV camera crew to enforce their rules.
The next race there that round they stationed an official at pit entrance to actually watch for the infractions.
Thanks Mike, yes those in the 'tower of power' rely on the TV coverage, next time these nay-sayers watch and they cross to the 'tower of power' have a look at how many TV screens are in there
Some people who post seem to forget I was an insider once
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 02, 2022, 08:05:55 AM
Would be the production team that showed the footage - commentary team just talks to what production team show. "Here we go, production team up to their old antics of showing us things of interest".
Would you rather they don't show us these things? Don't show us replays of people getting turned around either, so as to avoid someone getting a penalty? Don't show us someone jumping the start? Don't show us cars getting dropped with a wheel-gun still on the wheel? Don't show us wheels spinning during a stop with the car up on jacks?
there are pit lane officials watching all that, they physically stand there and obsrve - do you really know so little about Supercars?
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 02, 2022, 08:05:55 AMOr is it just the 100 mile per hour squeegee that should never be shown? At least you wouldn't have been one of the many calling for a penalty when Dumbrell was using a squeegee at Bathurst in 2017.
and I can 100% guarantee that if the TV didn't show it they wouldn't have been pinged, same as Ambrose the fire balaclava
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:55:17 AM
oh yeah, it was great to see the commentating team up to their old antics, showing footage of the BJR driver using a windscreen cleaner. As soon as I saw it I thought 'here we go, penalty soon' and then that piece of **** James Taylor gives him a whack
So I think we've established that supercars officials use footage from suprcars cameras to assist with making decisions. At least they don't stop play while they watch replays like other sports.
I was hoping whoever turned Davison around was going to get penalised. I don't recall seeing a replay of that. Perhaps cameras weren't aimed at the back of the field.
After reading the comments above, I realised that in an approximately 15 minute race highlights telecast on 7, some considerable time was spent on the loose/velcrod loose object. :(
Quote from: djr18fan on August 02, 2022, 10:32:47 AM
I was hoping whoever turned Davison around was going to get penalised. I don't recall seeing a replay of that. Perhaps cameras weren't aimed at the back of the field.
If we're talking the second race, I believe it was ruled a racing incident, Davo was as much to blame as Best in that one. We did get replays of it also.
Quote from: djr18fan on August 02, 2022, 10:32:47 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:55:17 AM
oh yeah, it was great to see the commentating team up to their old antics, showing footage of the BJR driver using a windscreen cleaner. As soon as I saw it I thought 'here we go, penalty soon' and then that piece of **** James Taylor gives him a whack
I was hoping whoever turned Davison around was going to get penalised. I don't recall seeing a replay of that. Perhaps cameras weren't aimed at the back of the field.
Mostert whilst having a fantastic dice that lasted half a lap or so.
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 09:52:02 AM
Quote from: skaifeman on August 02, 2022, 09:18:47 AM
They do a bloody good job for a two man effort! Do they handle the cameras too? :D
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
Commentators and the whole TV thing is owned by Supercars, NOT Ch 7 - wake the **** up
1. Do you really think the "commentators" (a) make the decision to cut to a scene and (b) for the purpose to penalise?
2. You'd have to be living under a rock to think Ch7 has anything to do with the production of Supercars. So yes, I'm awake.
Mike and yourself make a good point of penalties based on TV vision, but to suggest that the commentators are behind it, and deliberately?
Blame the need for cameras in the car and a fantastic (you might think over the top) telecast, rather than the two guys who just talk to the screens.
Please tell me what roles Skaife ad Crompton have with Supercars TV and don't just say 'they just talk to the screens'
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 12:00:15 PM
Please tell me what roles Skaife ad Crompton have with Supercars TV and don't just say 'they just talk to the screens'
Let's stop beating around the bush. If you know something, say so. Otherwise my question is still left unanswered:
Quote from: skaifeman on August 02, 2022, 11:37:35 AM
Do you really think the "commentators" (a) make the decision to cut to a scene and (b) for the purpose to penalise?
There's been a few really noticeable moments lately where the commentators (and us viewers) are getting excited about a bit of action that's about to unfold, and then the coverage cuts away to another part of the circuit. So whoever does make those decisions could do with listening to the commentators more.
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 12:00:15 PM
Please tell me what roles Skaife ad Crompton have with Supercars TV and don't just say 'they just talk to the screens'
They both hold executive positions with Supercars on committees.They are both pathetic as commentators and just sprout pr marketing.They are never remotely critical of anything.
Skaife has always been close to the worlds worst motor racing commentator.He has a total vocabulary of about 6 cliched phrases.
Crompton was good once upon a time but long ago passed over to the world of hyperbole and fence sitting.In his book he actually wrote that he gave an opinion on something at Winton about 20 years ago that upset a few people and has been careful to never say anything controversial since.Pathetic.
The standard of commentary in Australian motor sport is terrible.Marketing disguised as journalism.
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 09:54:18 AMThanks Mike, yes those in the 'tower of power' rely on the TV coverage, next time these nay-sayers watch and they cross to the 'tower of power' have a look at how many TV screens are in there
Why do they have so many TVs? There is only one telecast, so according to you they only need one TV. ???
Another BJR car destroyed, gotta feel for Bradley :'(
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 02, 2022, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 09:54:18 AMThanks Mike, yes those in the 'tower of power' rely on the TV coverage, next time these nay-sayers watch and they cross to the 'tower of power' have a look at how many TV screens are in there
Why do they have so many TVs? There is only one telecast, so according to you they only need one TV. ???
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
I am sorry if I am critical of your gods, but seriously get your head out of your arse and look around. This circus is 'made for TV' nothing more
As I said I have been an insider so probably know a little more than the casual observer
it is pleasant to see that someone on another forum thinks like I do
Quote from: GT450That Pr**k Skaife did his best to get him a penalty at the start line thankfully the stewards responded with a no case to answer in a timely fashion. His bias continually raises its head , at lease Larko comes straight out and admits it and lauds good driving from any driver.
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Quote from: djr18fan on August 02, 2022, 10:32:47 AM
I was hoping whoever turned Davison around was going to get penalised. I don't recall seeing a replay of that. Perhaps cameras weren't aimed at the back of the field.
If we're talking the second race, I believe it was ruled a racing incident, Davo was as much to blame as Best in that one. We did get replays of it also.
The DJR race report attributes more blame to Best. But they may be biased!
Twas a good drive up to 13th from the back anyway.
"Davison was unlucky to be turned around by Zak Best at the restart and dropped back to P24 after an excellent restart."
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Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2022, 08:26:36 AM
Quote from: REM on August 01, 2022, 08:17:33 AM
So easy to switch off these days....
Best's pole was the weekend highlight......ZB's are just way, way too strong...
Bathurst will be 25 versus 97.....
I did for the most part, I did all my chores and 'borrowed' my sons Kayo login and watched the last race yesterday arvo, turned off with about 5 laps to go, there was something more interesting to do outside, pick up dogsh!t ;D
It used to be so exciting, SVG versus Scotty was balls to the wall great stuff.....it's all just so just bland and predictable now.....anyways....
SVG is in a league of his own. He has the right car that has speed in reserve if needed.
Going into The Bend. A track that has been kind to the Mustang. Everyone thought we're in for a humdinger of a round. The title race might even get closer. Trevor started the thread Troy called it 1-2 for Ford. The telecast played up Ford's chances. Zac Best's pole position made it look like we're in for some good racing. In the end nothing changed.
SVG will eclipse Scotty's race wins in a season. Back then it was to the detrimental to the sport. Something had to be done to improve the racing. But now...
And they used the EXACT same cars as last year!!
And..? What point are you trying to make?
That yet again you are crying parity because Giz won 3 races on the weekend... But the same cars & drivers 12 months earlier had 3 ford wins... Couldn't be more parity if they tried!
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:42:27 PM
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 02, 2022, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 09:54:18 AMThanks Mike, yes those in the 'tower of power' rely on the TV coverage, next time these nay-sayers watch and they cross to the 'tower of power' have a look at how many TV screens are in there
Why do they have so many TVs? There is only one telecast, so according to you they only need one TV. ???
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
Low form of intelligence is not knowing what sarcasm actually is. Even lower is incorrectly accusing someone of sarcasm when you don't actually understand what sarcasm is. You quoted me asking a question - a question you did not answer...why so many TVs if they just watch the telecast?
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:42:27 PM
I am sorry if I am critical of your gods, but seriously get your head out of your arse and look around. This circus is 'made for TV' nothing more
As I said I have been an insider so probably know a little more than the casual observer
As an insider, please tell us what is on the other screens in race control.
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:44:52 PM
it is pleasant to see that someone on another forum thinks like I do
Quote from: GT450That Pr**k Skaife did his best to get him a penalty at the start line thankfully the stewards responded with a no case to answer in a timely fashion. His bias continually raises its head , at lease Larko comes straight out and admits it and lauds good driving from any driver.
Without knowing let me have a guess - Ford Forums? Or XR6 Forums?
On all those screens in race control, do they actually listen to the commentary? Do they actually have the telecast volume up and are actually actively listening to what Skaife and Crompton say?
Give us the "inside" word.
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:42:27 PM
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 02, 2022, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 09:54:18 AMThanks Mike, yes those in the 'tower of power' rely on the TV coverage, next time these nay-sayers watch and they cross to the 'tower of power' have a look at how many TV screens are in there
Why do they have so many TVs? There is only one telecast, so according to you they only need one TV. ???
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
I am sorry if I am critical of your gods, but seriously get your head out of your arse and look around. This circus is 'made for TV' nothing more
As I said I have been an insider so probably know a little more than the casual observer
And yet you give no more insight or evidence than the casual observer.
Your post wasn't being critical. Alan was being critical, and I agree with everything he says. The commentators (whoever they are) toe the Supercars line almost exlusively, there's never any real reporting.
Your post places the
commentators as perpetrators trying to dish out penalties, and then you further support this by the additional post you quoted from elsewhere.
lol at Trev thinking his opinion is valid because some other random on the internet agrees with his point of view...you can find a huge amount of flat Earthers out there too. Probably find more people believing Earth is flat than you could find that think Skaife and Crompton are the ones producing the telecast and queuing up the replays while race control sit there watching only the telecast listening to the commentary.
lol again - found that post he quoted...it was Ford Forums. 4 other members of Ford Forums liked that post.
That is less than half the amount of likes this post got: https://www.fordforums.com.au/showpost.php?p=6680226&postcount=33
The commentators must try to explain, in simple terms for the non-insider or infrequent viewer, just like in cricket or gymnastics or curling or whatever.
There are always people viewing who already know the rules and it is easy to be critical if the announcers cater to the wider viewing public.
I have even watched races with others who could not tell the Holden from the Ford, not helped by the liveries, but they did enjoy the racing. I have noticed that they are often more interested in the drivers rather than the make of cars they drive.
The best thing for the highly educated viewer is to turn the sound off and provide self commentary to the very high standard one expects.
There are a lot of cameras taking action at the same time and the director or such person cuts from camera to camera to get the best action, and has to make split second live broadcast decisions on the fly. They do a pretty good job, even if I was unhappy with the subsequently edited highlights which cut the start and first lap.
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What's on all the other screens in race control?
Do they listen to the commentary?
Does the commentary team choose what footage is shown and select the replays?
Give us the "inside" word, or admit you were wrong Fonzie.
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Mulva didn't mention that Trev used to be an insider at Winton. Love your work, Iggle (Trev's a good bloke BTW, if a little biased, probably why he notices bias so much) - and I'm in agreement with Stevo, too. We can watch the coverage, criticising the commentators (which is easy to do in most sports), complain about the management of the series, or keep saying that the racing is boring, but I don't see much on here about ways to improve all that which we complain about. I understand that some find it boring when a competitor in any sport dominates, especially when it's the wrong competitor, but these things come and go. If TV viewers didn't like last weekend's racing and found the commentators irritating, why watch? IMHO, the racing, especially in the wet, was excellent, and had Cam prevailed over SVG, this thread would be completely different. Both of them were close to the edge, SVG looking most likely to overstep each time he got a nose in front.
I've said numerous times on here that I'm over the whole Ford/Holden thing, and I'm also over the Mustang/Camaro hype before it starts, but I love the racing. We've moaned for years about one make or the other having some massive advantage, while the rule-makers keep working to keep the cars as equal as possible: Same chassis, same transmission, same brakes, same wheels and tyres, engines virtually identical configuration with virtually identical power and torque, etc. Apart from the issues with aero, which doesn't give either shape any measurable advantage, and should be fixed with Gen 3), the racing is as close and competitive as it has ever been. Probably why the Holden/GM - Ford thing means zilch to me.
We can all think of things to moan about, and I'm pretty sure we can think of ways to improve things too, or be a bit more positive about the sport we support, but I can't help but think a sudden burst of Ford wins would kill most of the moaning on here.
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 03, 2022, 08:53:06 AM
What's on all the other screens in race control?
Do they listen to the commentary?
Does the commentary team choose what footage is shown and select the replays?
Give us the "inside" word, or admit you were wrong Fonzie.
watch the telecast next time and when they cross to the race control you will see it - be quick though, I note that that might be a challenge for you
You lot seem to have trouble understanding that this sport is NOT about the spectators, this sport is about $$$$$. You don't seem to realise that Taylor, Skaife Crompton, Driving Standards Observer whoever it is today, and whole swagger of others, including Safety Car driver, Safety Team, Starter, etc, etc, etc, etc, are all on the Supercars payroll - albeit Taylor is paid by CAMS (MA) who then bill Supercars, well that is the way it was when Schenken ruled supreme
Quote from: Zac on August 03, 2022, 09:18:47 AM
Mulva didn't mention that Trev used to be an insider at Winton. Love your work, Iggle (Trev's a good bloke BTW, if a little biased, probably why he notices bias so much) - and I'm in agreement with Stevo, too. We can watch the coverage, criticising the commentators (which is easy to do in most sports), complain about the management of the series, or keep saying that the racing is boring, but I don't see much on here about ways to improve all that which we complain about. I understand that some find it boring when a competitor in any sport dominates, especially when it's the wrong competitor, but these things come and go. If TV viewers didn't like last weekend's racing and found the commentators irritating, why watch? IMHO, the racing, especially in the wet, was excellent, and had Cam prevailed over SVG, this thread would be completely different. Both of them were close to the edge, SVG looking most likely to overstep each time he got a nose in front.
YEARS ago when I watched cricket, I would turn the TV sound off and listen via ABC radio, no such luxury with these muggins commentating
Skaife has to be the worst commentator ever, ever
Quote from: Trevor on August 04, 2022, 07:21:35 AM
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 03, 2022, 08:53:06 AM
What's on all the other screens in race control?
Do they listen to the commentary?
Does the commentary team choose what footage is shown and select the replays?
Give us the "inside" word, or admit you were wrong Fonzie.
watch the telecast next time and when they cross to the race control you will see it - be quick though, I note that that might be a challenge for you...[snip]
Or...you could just answer those direct questions with your inside knowledge.
I have no doubt the telecast will be on one of those screens. What is on the rest? Do they have the volume up on the telecast?
They're simple questions - think we know why you won't answer.
Is there any chance that, like the rest of us that watched that start on the telecast, the DSO and Race Control thought "Hmmmm, at least one if not both of the cars on front row looked like they could have been moving at the start...can we get another look at that?" I definitely recall times where commentary have had Producer in their ear telling them the Race Control are looking into blah blah blah, then 20 to 30 seconds later the replays come on and the commentators talk to that.
Put simply - I call bull**** on Skaife having control over what replays are shown; and I call bull**** on race control listening to the commentary and that swaying their judgement. That is what your original comment suggests - Skaife doing his best to get Best a penalty.
If your posting style was not almost exclusively pompous/dogmatic and derogatory you would not find people would take you to task when you post BS; and they would not tire of you like they seem to have over at Ford Forums. I wouldn't be pursuing this so aggressively if you weren't always so condescending - but you post BS, then when called out you double-down without specifically repeating your claims but by suggesting we all have NFI (in a very patronising way) and therefore we are to assume what you won't repeat or clarify is actually correct.
This isn't a Holden fan versus Ford fan thing - it's plain to see a lot of blue fans have tired of you when you post in General area.
Is it now time for you to mention that you are a hard nut on an unmoderated US drag racing forum?
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 04, 2022, 08:00:19 AM
Put simply - I call bull**** on Skaife having control over what replays are shown; and I call bull**** on race control listening to the commentary and that swaying their judgement. That is what your original comment suggests - Skaife doing his best to get Best a penalty.
hey wiggley, wrong incident you tool.. I was talking about the windscreen cleaner in the BJR car - FFS keep up will ya - go back and check my post on the matter
Quote from: Trevor on August 04, 2022, 06:54:47 PM
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 04, 2022, 08:00:19 AM
Put simply - I call bull**** on Skaife having control over what replays are shown; and I call bull**** on race control listening to the commentary and that swaying their judgement. That is what your original comment suggests - Skaife doing his best to get Best a penalty.
hey wiggley, wrong incident you tool.. I was talking about the windscreen cleaner in the BJR car - FFS keep up will ya - go back and check my post on the matter
Fair enough - different incident, I was thrown by this...
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:44:52 PM
it is pleasant to see that someone on another forum thinks like I do
Quote from: GT450That Pr**k Skaife did his best to get him a penalty at the start line thankfully the stewards responded with a no case to answer in a timely fashion. His bias continually raises its head , at lease Larko comes straight out and admits it and lauds good driving from any driver.
But I concede you are talking about a different incident - I was referring to the wrong incident, I was wrong on that particular aspect. Just in case - see what I did there? I recognised and accepted where I have made an error, and I admitted it and didn't do all I can to avoid and distract.
My questions to you still stand though seeings as how you are so adamant on your position - which incident aside, how about answering those questions that you continually keep avoiding.
Do you still assert Skaife gets to choose what is replayed on the telecast?
Do you still assert Skaife uses that to influence Race Control and the DSO?
Do you still assert Race Control only watch the telecast - the official Supercars telecast package is the only vision they have on all those different screens?
Do you still assert Race Control listen to the commentary and their decision making is swayed by the commentary team?
Can you just answer those questions? Without deflection, without trying to change the narrative or create a strawman? It is telling that you continually avoid answering those or clarifying your earlier comments.
I never asserted Skaife did anything, why are you fabricating ****?
here is my post
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:55:17 AM
oh yeah, it was great to see the commentating team up to their old antics, showing footage of the BJR driver using a windscreen cleaner. As soon as I saw it I thought 'here we go, penalty soon' and then that piece of **** James Taylor gives him a whack
Come on tell me what your screen name is on YB, or do I need to guess your banned user name
This is getting wayyyy off topic. The meeting is over. Time to kill the topic???
Quote from: Trevor on August 04, 2022, 07:21:13 PM
I never asserted Skaife did anything, why are you fabricating ****?
here is my post
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:55:17 AM
oh yeah, it was great to see the commentating team up to their old antics, showing footage of the BJR driver using a windscreen cleaner. As soon as I saw it I thought 'here we go, penalty soon' and then that piece of **** James Taylor gives him a whack
Come on tell me what your screen name is on YB, or do I need to guess your banned user name
This is the bit where you said Skaife (and Crompton) did something:
"oh yeah, it was great to see the commentating team up to their old antics, showing footage of the BJR driver using a windscreen cleaner".
What is YB? I am on Ford Forums - username Iggle Piggle.
Below is where you quoted someone saying Skaife did his best to get someone a penalty - you put that bit in bold, and prefaced it by saying that person thinks like you do.
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:44:52 PM
it is pleasant to see that someone on another forum thinks like I do
Quote from: GT450That Pr**k Skaife did his best to get him a penalty at the start line thankfully the stewards responded with a no case to answer in a timely fashion. His bias continually raises its head , at lease Larko comes straight out and admits it and lauds good driving from any driver.
This bit below, who knows what you meant - could be taken many ways - maybe you could clarify what you were implying?
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 12:00:15 PM
Please tell me what roles Skaife ad Crompton have with Supercars TV and don't just say 'they just talk to the screens'
This bit is where you are saying if it was not shown on the telecast there would have been no penalty. As much as you won't admit it, lets say all those screens in Race Control shows all the different camera shots (not just what is currently going to air) - is this suggesting if they were to have seen the 100m/h squeegee on a shot that was not going to air they would have ignored it?
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 09:57:12 AM
and I can 100% guarantee that if the TV didn't show it they wouldn't have been pinged, same as Ambrose the fire balaclava
Stop being so piss-weak and just clarify the above and I will move on. Or don't, and I'll assume you can't. Or just look away long enough for LG to come in with the lock and save you
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on August 04, 2022, 08:00:07 PM
Quote from: Trevor on August 04, 2022, 07:21:13 PM
I never asserted Skaife did anything, why are you fabricating ****?
here is my post
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:55:17 AM
oh yeah, it was great to see the commentating team up to their old antics, showing footage of the BJR driver using a windscreen cleaner. As soon as I saw it I thought 'here we go, penalty soon' and then that piece of **** James Taylor gives him a whack
Come on tell me what your screen name is on YB, or do I need to guess your banned user name
This is the bit where you said Skaife (and Crompton) did something:
"oh yeah, it was great to see the commentating team up to their old antics, showing footage of the BJR driver using a windscreen cleaner".
What is YB? I am on Ford Forums - username Iggle Piggle.
Below is where you quoted someone saying Skaife did his best to get someone a penalty - you put that bit in bold, and prefaced it by saying that person thinks like you do.
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 05:44:52 PM
it is pleasant to see that someone on another forum thinks like I do
Quote from: GT450That Pr**k Skaife did his best to get him a penalty at the start line thankfully the stewards responded with a no case to answer in a timely fashion. His bias continually raises its head , at lease Larko comes straight out and admits it and lauds good driving from any driver.
This bit below, who knows what you meant - could be taken many ways - maybe you could clarify what you were implying?
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 12:00:15 PM
Please tell me what roles Skaife ad Crompton have with Supercars TV and don't just say 'they just talk to the screens'
This bit is where you are saying if it was not shown on the telecast there would have been no penalty. As much as you won't admit it, lets say all those screens in Race Control shows all the different camera shots (not just what is currently going to air) - is this suggesting if they were to have seen the 100m/h squeegee on a shot that was not going to air they would have ignored it?
Quote from: Trevor on August 02, 2022, 09:57:12 AM
and I can 100% guarantee that if the TV didn't show it they wouldn't have been pinged, same as Ambrose the fire balaclava
Stop being so piss-weak and just clarify the above and I will move on. Or don't, and I'll assume you can't. Or just look away long enough for LG to come in with the lock and save you
I don't save anyone.
I do get rather pissed at the childish accusations back and forth that contribute nothing to a discussion.
There's a reason we have PMs.
Use them and save the rest of us having to see garbage...