So Turkey replaced Canada, and now Austria replaces Turkey...
https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/austria-to-host-f1-double-header-after-turkish-gp-cancellation/6508481/
Anyone think they won't make it to Aus?
Quote from: skaifeman on May 14, 2021, 11:20:22 PM
So Turkey replaced Canada, and now Austria replaces Turkey...
https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/austria-to-host-f1-double-header-after-turkish-gp-cancellation/6508481/
Anyone think they won't make it to Aus?
Albert Park is far enough off that it has a pretty good shout, IMO. It does not surprise me that Canada is done. Just like in the IndyCar Series for Toronto coming up next month. They are locked down beyond locks.
I always liked the track at Istanbul, but they could never seem to get in good with the rest of the "European Clique" and are on the outside looking in. COVID reasons aside, I think Turkey is out for more than the reason the article states.
Two at the A1 Ring - SURE! That will be more than fine!
Good to see this thread kick off again, too.
It will be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out. The fact that Verstappen was in the fight at Bahrain and Barcelona is encouraging given recent history being in Mercedes' favour at those circuits. Monaco is the first of the circuits where Red Bull have typically been stronger relative to Mercedes in the hybrid era, so Max really needs to win there. I think the championship will come down to which driver and team is able to maximise the circuits where their opponent is stronger. I think the biggest advantage Mercedes have at that moment is Bottas being close enough to affect Verstappen's race strategies, while Perez has been too far back to worry Hamilton.
Quote from: Kytabu on May 15, 2021, 11:14:58 AM
I think the championship will come down to which driver and team is able to maximise the circuits where their opponent is stronger.
Red Bull would be very happy with another event at the A1 Ring.
IndyCar just canceled their Toronto round in July.
https://racer.com/2021/05/14/indycar-cancels-toronto-race-for-2021/
I cannot see F1 going to Montreal this year - again. No way.
Already announced its not going ahead.
Replaced by Turkey, which then got Covid red listed and has been replaced by a second Austria round
How horn is this: ;D
(https://www.grandprix247.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021_MCL_Monaco_SM_3Q_v1_Website_Gallery_Image_1600x620.jpg)
https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-gulf-oil-livery-monaco/6509960/
Quote from: skaifeman on May 18, 2021, 08:51:00 PM
How horn is this: ;D
(https://www.grandprix247.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021_MCL_Monaco_SM_3Q_v1_Website_Gallery_Image_1600x620.jpg)
https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-gulf-oil-livery-monaco/6509960/
not as horn as this😁😁😁
What a fascinating qualifying session! Such a shame we didn't get to see the final laps play out in Q3. Now we wait for news on Leclerc's gearbox.
Hamilton's car looked horrible. Even worse day for Daniel, P12 and 0.6 behind Lando in Q2.
Quote from: Kytabu on May 23, 2021, 01:04:14 AM
What a fascinating qualifying session! Such a shame we didn't get to see the final laps play out in Q3. Now we wait for news on Leclerc's gearbox.
Hamilton's car looked horrible. Even worse day for Daniel, P12 and 0.6 behind Lando in Q2.
Didn't get any better for Dan :-[.
...or Charles. Ferrari went for the win knowing that if they started 4th they weren't a chance, I bet if they qualify anywhere else other than pole they don't take the risk and replace the gearbox.
Advantage Max, Merc had a shocker and Lewis let them know about it. A bad day for Max is 2nd, this one hurts.
saw a bit of the pre-show... is anyone else as ticked as me that a car race is all about anything but?
sucked big time for Charles to not even get to his grid spot! fell asleep shortly after, did I miss much?
It will be interesting to see if Ferrari can repeat that performance at places like Hungary and Singapore. I certainly wasn't expecting them to be that strong in Monaco. It would add another element to the Verstappen/Hamilton battle if the Ferraris are in the mix at a few races.
How about Bottas' wheel nut? The wheel didn't come off until two days later at the factory!
I don't mind the lack of racing action at Monaco; for me it's about watching the best drivers in the world maximising every millimetre of a circuit that is so unsuitable for modern F1 cars. During qualifying they did a comparison of Max's and Lewis' laps in Q2 and had a freeze frame going into the Nouvelle chicane. With the frame frozen you would say for all money that both would clip the inside wall, but of course with the slip of the cars they just miss it. Same story on the exit of the Swimming Pool; that was a slow-mo of Gasly and the curve of his tyre was virtually in the dip in the armco! That's why I love Monaco and why I think it should stay on the calendar. We have 22 other circuits for racing.
Qualifying certainly has its own 'thing' at Monaco.
Listening to the Beyond the Grid F1 Podcast, one of the interviewees (forget who) told at story about Ayrton (I think it was at Monaco, could be wrong) hitting a wall mid-race.
He came in livid, suggesting the armco had moved that lap. Crew members kind of shrugged their shoulders, what would you think? After investigation they found exactly that, a lap before another car had just clipped the armco and moved it a bees dick... and Artyon didn't quite expect that.
Well said Ky, your post remind me of this story. These guys are so in the groove and have the feel of the car below them to account for every inch of available space.
When I was a young man I can remember watching Monaco on network TV. It was delayed and crammed into a half hour spot on Wide World of Sports.
Before a short break for a commercial, the camera panned the harbor. On one of the yacht fantails was a girl sunbathing, face down, completely in her birthday suit. It was at that time, at age 13, I not only became a fan of F1, but of Monaco annually.
There are races, and then there are "more than" races. We all have our reasons and memories.
A feel-good podium in Azerbaijan for sure! Perez drove really well under pressure from Hamilton all race to be in the position to win it. Seb drove an awesome race from 11th and it Gasly did well to fight back against Leclerc in the final lap.
Verstappen's tyre failure could be crucial for the season; even though Hamilton also dropped out of the points, an 11-point gain turned into a stalemate. It will be interesting to see the results of the tyre investigations. The right-rear was supposedly the critical tyre in Baku, but it was a pair of left-rears that failed.
As for the French GP and Red Bull electing a second pit stop for Max and Mercedes opting to hold their cards.....
..... he who hesitates is lost.
Good call Bulls. Good call.
Great race by Red Bull in France. They are putting up the fight and beating Mercedes at the latter's strong circuits. A stronger race for Daniel as well which was good to see.
The four races heading into the summer break will be telling; you'd expect Red Bull to be stronger in Austria and Hungary and for it to be very close at Silverstone. I just hope we can get through without either team having mechanical woes.
How much of a superstar is Lando turning out to be. Lewis' damaged car certainly helped, but you have to be there to reap the reward.
His qualy lap was especially fantastic. He's making Danny Ric look seriously silly.
Some of the old heads are losing it a little too. Seb destroying Alonso's lap, and then Kimi with blinkers on taking out Seb.
Will be really interesting to see how Mercedes go from here. Always good watching the 'benchmark' start to no longer be the benchmark and how they react.
Poor Dan, another bad decision like these team swaps and he'll be put of the sport
Quote from: Troy01505 on July 05, 2021, 02:00:03 PM
Poor Dan, another bad decision like these team swaps and he'll be put of the sport
I think his decision to goto McLaren was the right one. He just has his work cut out from the other side of the shed now.
This is the furthest Mercedes have had a driver from the championship lead since the hybrid era began (previously it was 25 points, Hamilton behind Vettel after Monaco in 2017). I can't see Verstappen and Red Bull cracking the same way that Vettel and Ferrari did back then.
The two Austria races were strong for Dan, it was just qualifying that let him down. If he can unlock the one-lap speed his race pace has been quite good recently.
Really want Russell to score a point or two in that Williams! A better start to this race and he probably would have gotten there.
Really good that Mercedes aren't winning everything atm, just a pity that it is Verstappen that is doing the winning
And the AGP looks to be given a miss:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/07/06/australian-f1-and-motogp-to-be-cancelled/
Same for the MotoGP here in Australia. Not surprising on either front.
Not surprised to see the AGP to be cut but it does make me worried that they may look at dropping the race completely in favor of others who will give more money to host a round and effectively freeze the AGP out.
Quote from: meha on July 07, 2021, 02:27:19 PM
Not surprised to see the AGP to be cut but it does make me worried that they may look at dropping the race completely in favor of others who will give more money to host a round and effectively freeze the AGP out.
Not so much more money, but which country is going to relax their COVID restrictions more. I mean, think about it for example. Canada, and Australia now, hold firm on lockdowns. It has cost them two F1 races in two years. Meanwhile, pick another country that isn't so restrictive.... Bahrain? UAE? Hell, even the USA? They are in the que to reap the benefits of obtaining the dates. Austria is the first country to host two F1 rounds in successive years (if you discount San Marino not being part of Italy). Why not give the Red Bull Ring THREE rounds next year?
Oh wait..... Red Bull..... more money. I have come full circle with this post.
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on July 08, 2021, 09:14:12 AM
Austria is the first country to host two F1 rounds in successive years (if you discount San Marino not being part of Italy).
You're forgetting your own country, Mike! It was hosting about 30 races a season in the early '80s ;D.
Quote from: Kytabu on July 08, 2021, 09:30:24 AM
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on July 08, 2021, 09:14:12 AM
Austria is the first country to host two F1 rounds in successive years (if you discount San Marino not being part of Italy).
You're forgetting your own country, Mike! It was hosting about 30 races a season in the early '80s ;D.
Yes. Yes. ::) My serious bad.
I heard the F1 coverage from this past weekend stating that Austria held this "title". Now that I think about it, they probably said, "The latest TRACK to hold two GPs in the same year back-to-back."
The mind is a terrible thing to waste.....
Well, Hamilton and Verstappen finally come together in a major way this season. I can see why Hamilton was penalised but thinking big picture, Max would have been better off staying well wide. A safe 18 points and a chance to battle for the win versus a certain zero score.
The thing that annoyed me most was the commentary team constantly claiming that a win for Hamilton after the penalty would be an amazing, against-the-odds drive, like he wouldn't have won by more than that margin with Verstappen out anyway.
Gutted that Leclerc couldn't hold on for the win. Great drive considering the engine mapping dramas throughout the race.
disappointed for Leclerc too... prob moreso coz I didn't want LH to win after his stunt... to me that was like doing an Adelaide turn 8... he should have copped a hell of a lot more than 10 seconds for the move.
and then he repeated it on Leclerc to take the lead of the race... at least Leclerc knew LH didn't give a damn and was prepared to punt him off
I don't agree with a clear cut Hamilton penalty.
Max turned in when he knew full well that Lewis was inside him, albeit a diminishing overlap.
It needed both to comply to get through there side by side, neither did. I'd lean into 'racing incident' category, but if the stewards had to make a decision it probably did err more so to Lewis.
I don't know who you guys have for coverage, but we have the British feed with Martin Brundle. Clearly one sided commentary with respect to British drivers.
I could have went either way on Lap 1 at Copse. The judges ruled and the guilty party served his penalty - and overcame it.
Looking at it from a DIFFERENT set of eyes, it was GREAT for F1 and the series. It made some headlines, brought some attention, and tightened up the points table. The crowds and viewing audience will now grow.
Ever go to a professional wrestling match? ;D
George Russell with the performance of the year, qualifying second for the Belgian Grand Prix is extremely wet conditions. First front row start for Williams since Italy 2017, and the first front row qualifying since Germany 2014. With grid penalties applied, Latifi will start in the top ten as well.
Glad that Norris is okay after his crash. I was surprised Q3 got underway given the amount of water on the circuit. Vettel showing his class again by stopping to check on Lando.
It looks like the race will be wet too; we could be in for another surprise winner. I can't wait to see how it plays out.
the crash was a scary one! and all class with Vettel checking on Norris as he went past.
GR, the guy is getting quite a following. if he does go to Merc next year and gets the same car as LH then LH better be ready to lose.
Hoping the race is 'dicey' and GR can keep up the good work for a podium. Can you imagine the celebrations at Williams? It would be EPIC!
would love to see Williams on the podium, top step would be awesome
Well, Williams did get on the podium.
Got up at 3:30 to watch the race before work; at least I could watch the MotoGP replay instead!
Obviously it's the regulations but how points can be awarded after a couple of safety car laps is a joke. There needs to be a minimum distance required by the rules.
If you don't know the meaning of 'farce', that was it last night. :(
Absolute crock.
Happy I went to bed at midnight. Ky's right, they need a minimum laps required... and how about the confusion over whether Perez could start the race?
I'm sure that George will feel a little hollow. Yes he'll take it, but the next time he steps on the podium will mean a hell of a lot more.
Bit of humour:
https://www.facebook.com/skysportsf1/posts/4388786497880945
I wonder if we will see a court challenge later in the year if the results/points from last night has a bearing on which driver/team is crowned champion?
Biggest crock of 💩 I think I have ever seen.
I only watched the highlights this morning, I think that it is the first time that the highlights included the whole of the race.
seriously what a farce just run a couple of laps behind the safety car so that they don't have to refund anyone and can call it a race.
Probably an invalid stat given how the result was achieved, but it is the first race result since Malaysia in 2012 with eight different constructors in the top eight.
Quote from: LG on August 30, 2021, 08:19:00 AM
If you don't know the meaning of 'farce', that was it last night. :(
Farce is the word, LG.
I'll ask the question: Why cannot they run the race the next day when the weather clears like every other major series here in the USA? Are you going to tell me they do not have it in their budgets to stay another night at the track?
How about the Spa fans? No money back no doubt. Thanks for your offerings. See you next year. At least we had the entertainment of the one girl in the stands dancing in the rain.
What is the price of an F1 ticket? Probably a hell of a lot more than my $13 to get into my local dirt speedway this past Saturday night.
Where the sprint cars raced a race. No safety cars.
Moves the 2005 US Grand Prix at Indianapolis off of the bottom rung in the biggest farces in racing ever.
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on August 31, 2021, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: LG on August 30, 2021, 08:19:00 AM
If you don't know the meaning of 'farce', that was it last night. :(
Farce is the word, LG.
I'll ask the question: Why cannot they run the race the next day when the weather clears like every other major series here in the USA? Are you going to tell me they do not have it in their budgets to stay another night at the track?
How about the Spa fans? No money back no doubt. Thanks for your offerings. See you next year. At least we had the entertainment of the one girl in the stands dancing in the rain.
What is the price of an F1 ticket? Probably a hell of a lot more than my $13 to get into my local dirt speedway this past Saturday night.
Where the sprint cars raced a race. No safety cars.
Moves the 2005 US Grand Prix at Indianapolis off of the bottom rung in the biggest farces in racing ever.
From what the fans have said the event was a farce. Spent big dollars on parking a fair distance from the track and then having to get towed out of the bog at the end of the day. Don't know that they'd want to come back for another (even though I think the commentators said it was a holiday on the Monday?)
Issue though I think is more that they then have to get all of the associated marshalls/safety crews to stay an extra day and that could well be their "get back home day".
They should have just canned the event.
In other news Kimi has formally announced his retirement at the end of this season.
The musical chairs is about to start with Bottas likely to take his seat and Russell moving to join Hamilton.
Quote from: meha on September 02, 2021, 10:07:36 AM
In other news Kimi has formally announced his retirement at the end of this season.
The musical chairs is about to start with Bottas likely to take his seat and Russell moving to join Hamilton.
Quite looking forward to a Lewis vs George... seeing who gets some 'privilege' and who can race.
Quote from: Sonic on September 02, 2021, 03:58:41 PM
Quote from: meha on September 02, 2021, 10:07:36 AM
In other news Kimi has formally announced his retirement at the end of this season.
The musical chairs is about to start with Bottas likely to take his seat and Russell moving to join Hamilton.
Quite looking forward to a Lewis vs George... seeing who gets some 'privilege' and who can race.
You know, if this comes full circle as we all are expecting it to, we'll have two Brits battling it out. When was the last time we had a top shelf F1 team with two of the same countrymen going at it?
Kye..... your stat knowledge is being asked here. ;D
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on September 02, 2021, 06:07:40 PM
Quote from: Sonic on September 02, 2021, 03:58:41 PM
Quote from: meha on September 02, 2021, 10:07:36 AM
In other news Kimi has formally announced his retirement at the end of this season.
The musical chairs is about to start with Bottas likely to take his seat and Russell moving to join Hamilton.
Quite looking forward to a Lewis vs George... seeing who gets some 'privilege' and who can race.
You know, if this comes full circle as we all are expecting it to, we'll have two Brits battling it out. When was the last time we had a top shelf F1 team with two of the same countrymen going at it?
Kye..... your stat knowledge is being asked here. ;D
Hill/Mansell? At least for the Brits is the last that comes to mind
Hamilton and Button when McLaren were top shelf-ish.
That or Hill/Coulthard in 1995 maybe.....
Quote from: meha on September 03, 2021, 09:40:26 AM
That or Hill/Coulthard in 1995 maybe.....
Wouldn't that be Brit/Scot?
Quote from: Sonic on September 04, 2021, 09:37:03 PM
Quote from: stp01 on September 04, 2021, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: Sonic on September 03, 2021, 01:11:37 PM
Quote from: meha on September 03, 2021, 09:40:26 AM
That or Hill/Coulthard in 1995 maybe.....
Wouldn't that be Brit/Scot?
Scots are British.
and Kiwis are Australian ;) :P
Riiiiiiight.....
Anyway, shocker for Perez in Qual, track evolution in Q1 was crazy. Shame Danny couldn't replicate his Q2 performance in Q3. Don't think I'll stay up for this one, Verstappen will run off into the distance and I doubt there'll be much passing behind.
dunno STP... with all the mistakes being made over the first 2 days in all of the categories it could go either way.
could be some desperate moves being made... the banking could bring something different to the result... loving that there is actually a penalty to a driver who can't stay within the painted lines for one event!
will at least watch the start and see how it looks.
If the Mercedes can stay close to Verstappen they can work the strategy against Red Bull, unless Bottas falls too far behind early on for the undercut to be effective. If Gasly or the Ferraris can stay within a pitstop of the leaders it will be interesting to see how Red Bull and Mercedes play the strategy.
Great job by Giovinazzi in qually, hopefully he has a decent race.
Quote from: Kytabu on September 05, 2021, 03:09:14 PM
If the Mercedes can stay close to Verstappen they can work the strategy against Red Bull, unless Bottas falls too far behind early on for the undercut to be effective. If Gasly or the Ferraris can stay within a pitstop of the leaders it will be interesting to see how Red Bull and Mercedes play the strategy.
That was the plan. Bottas couldn't stay close enough to truly challenge through strategy.
Wasn't a bad race, lots of following, but the two guys at the front were racing hard. Zandvoort is a fantastic track, mesmerising watching the in-car following another driver.
Well, I did fall asleep, but mainly due to lack of sleep! The track is amazing, but passing opportunities were limited as expected. The Haas boys were at it as always!
Our boy is back. Owned it.
Quote from: skaifeman on September 13, 2021, 12:55:04 AM
Our boy is back. Owned it.
Now that was one hell of a race!
Danny earned it for sure, led from the start so even though those who may have challenged dropped out he had their measure from the get go.
Interesting bingle for LH/MV and that the stewards landed the penalty on Max. Lewis ran Max off track at t1 entry and then didn't allow room at t2 entry. You make the opposition earn the pass but he did run him off track in 2 corners so not sure how he could be upset that there was contact when, for mine, he was the cause. Would love to hear more from the stewards how they came to that decision.
McLaren 1/2 and 3 shooies on the podium :) a good day for Aussies! (with also a win in F2)
taken from speedcafe page - https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/13/verstappen-penalised-for-hamilton-clash/
Stewards' decision in full
The Stewards heard from the driver of car 33 (Max Verstappen), the driver of car 44 (Lewis Hamilton) and team representatives, reviewed the video evidence and determined that the driver of Car 33 was predominantly to blame for the collision with Car 44 at Turn 2.
Car 44 was exiting the pits. Car 33 was on the main straight. At the 50m board before Turn 1, Car 44 was significantly ahead of Car 33. Car 33 braked late and started to move alongside Car 44, although at no point in the sequence does Car 33 get any further forward than just behind the front wheel of Car 44.
During the hearing the driver of Car 33 asserted that the cause of the incident was the driver of Car 44 opening the steering after Turn 1 and "squeezing" him to the apex of turn 2. The driver of Car 44 asserted that the driver of Car 33 attempted to pass very late and should have given up the corner either by backing off sooner, or by turning left behind the kerb.
The Stewards observed on CCTV footage that the driver of Car 44 was driving an avoiding line, although his position caused Car 33 to go onto the kerb. But further, the Stewards observed that Car 33 was not at all alongside Car 44 until significantly into the entry into Turn 1. In the opinion of the Stewards, this manoeuvre was attempted too late for the driver of Car 33 to have "the right to racing room". While Car 44 could have steered further from the kerb to avoid the incident, the Stewards determined that his position was reasonable and therefore find that the driver of Car 33 was predominantly to blame for the incident.
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they make the point that Max braked late... of course he did, he was at full race pace having just belted down the full straight so he would be braking from 300+... LH just out of the pits would have had a substantially lower speed when he hit the anchors.
guess they have just decided that it is ok to run drivers off the road if they are only alongside you in F1 now... sheesh...
F1 take the 'who's in front' midway through the corner to another level. You can freely feed the driver outside you off the track if you have your nose in front, especially in a chicane setting.
Max has done so to Lewis on multiple occasions this year and Lewis always pulls out (and cries). Lewis did the same here but Max didn't pull out. Bit of his own medicine I say.
Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EchF9NmKJtA
Toto raised a good point post race, it was a bit of a tactical foul. It's status quo if both end in the dirt, rather than Lewis closing/leaping the points gap.
I've never liked the F1 rules regarding racing room. If another car has that much overlap, you should be obliged to give them room.
Awesome drive by Daniel! Fastest lap on the final lap just to show he had pace in hand too. Hopefully he is consistently up there with Lando now; he has looked better since the summer break.
Quote from: Kytabu on September 13, 2021, 10:51:44 AM
I've never liked the F1 rules regarding racing room. If another car has that much overlap, you should be obliged to give them room.
Awesome drive by Daniel! Fastest lap on the final lap just to show he had pace in hand too. Hopefully he is consistently up there with Lando now; he has looked better since the summer break.
Agreed. They are more than happy to run each other off the road but then cry when it happens to them. They seem to forget so quickly how easy it is to have a big one in F1.
From the 2 main crashes this year we could have lost both Max and Lewis.
Lewis is a sook and I am surprised he didn't play the race card. Toto crying foul was a ploy to get a points penalty issued as poor Lewis needs a hand to win the championship this year.
Lewis deserved a penalty more then Max but in all honesty they both played their part so should just be deemed a racing incident.
A thought I had on the sprint qualifying points...Bottas won the sprint but took a grid penalty and started last, yet still got the three points for winning the sprint. To me, this would be like a driver winning a race with a time penalty, yet still getting the points for first place despite dropping down the order. Surely grid penalties for sprint qualifying should have the same effect as time penalties in the Grand Prix? If you go back to Silverstone, Russell was given a three-place grid penalty for causing a collision in the sprint rather than a time penalty. If he had finished in the top three in that sprint, would he have kept the points as it was a grid penalty rather than a time penalty?
Quote from: Kytabu on September 14, 2021, 10:33:27 AM
A thought I had on the sprint qualifying points...Bottas won the sprint but took a grid penalty and started last, yet still got the three points for winning the sprint. To me, this would be like a driver winning a race with a time penalty, yet still getting the points for first place despite dropping down the order. Surely grid penalties for sprint qualifying should have the same effect as time penalties in the Grand Prix? If you go back to Silverstone, Russell was given a three-place grid penalty for causing a collision in the sprint rather than a time penalty. If he had finished in the top three in that sprint, would he have kept the points as it was a grid penalty rather than a time penalty?
Did he take the engine prior to the quali sprint? or between the sprint and the race?
If he took it prior to quali then he really should have had the penalty applied prior to going into it. Just another of those stupid F1 rule quirks I guess.
The engine was installed prior to the qualifying session on Friday.
It just seems odd that he gets the points for "winning" qualifying but is not recognised as the pole-sitter. Take Formula 2 as an example; they award four points for the feature race pole-winner. If a driver is fastest in qualifying but has a grid penalty, they do not get those points. So if the F1 sprint qualifying is actually a part of qualifying, why should someone with a grid penalty take the full points?
they shouldn't.
Max should have got the points in that case.
So happy to see Danny Ric take the win! My favourite team and driver! I'll be honest and admit I didn't think I'd see a win for some time. Not going to get carried away though, Monza certainly suited the McLaren characteristics. Ricciardo's starts were amazing though, even from the dirty side of the track.
I was a week and a half late in making this but it had to be done ;D.
(https://i.ibb.co/5LyZX8z/meme.jpg)
The young Aussies getting it done with Jack Doohan winning from pole in F3 and Oscar Piastri winning from pole in F2! Would it be too much to ask for another Ricciardo win for an Australian sweep?
Quote from: Kytabu on September 26, 2021, 07:31:24 PM
The young Aussies getting it done with Jack Doohan winning from pole in F3 and Oscar Piastri winning from pole in F2! Would it be too much to ask for another Ricciardo win for an Australian sweep?
perhaps... but I'd be very happy to see Lando take the win.
hoping it's a wet race as Lewis just doesn't seem to have the ability to pass anybody these days :S
Quote from: Kytabu on September 22, 2021, 01:24:30 PM
I was a week and a half late in making this but it had to be done ;D.
(https://i.ibb.co/5LyZX8z/meme.jpg)
lol...
"that's unfortunate"
Sochi was an eventful race, loved it from start to finish!
Tough luck to Lando, he ran the risk and it bit. Always hard leading in the position, you can't copy. McLaren had the weather in front of them and got him in ala Merc with Lewis.
I must say though, I think Lando has our boys number...
Funny how even after all that, the top two remain the same.
Red Bull will be rapt. For Verstappen to come away from Monza and Sochi having lost only five points, while also taking an engine penalty, would be much better than they imagined.
Gutted for Lando, that was a class drive. The fastest lap he set showed he had pace in hand to keep Hamilton behind. Great race by Sainz as well to lead for as long as he did and get on the podium.
Kudos to Kimi for getting the Alfa into eighth amidst the chaos.
Red Bull are running a livery tribute to Honda this weekend, the weekend that was originally set for the Japanese Grand Prix.
(http://formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2021manual/TurkeyRBLiveries/SI202110070096_news.jpg.transform/12col/image.jpg)
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.revealed-check-out-red-bulls-honda-tribute-livery-for-the-turkish-grand-prix.Cz19wsw5xrsRNBfGTdWps.html
I read that AlphaTauri will also be running a tribute livery but have not seen anything of it yet.
Zak Brown and Michael Andretti are United in Supercars and Extreme E, and fierce rivals in Indycar, so why not also take on your business partner in the highest form of open wheel racing?
https://racer.com/2021/10/08/andretti-set-for-further-sauber-f1-takeover-talks-in-austin/
No rain this weekend at the Circuit of the Americas.
Or so they say today.....
The Andretti announcement is not to come this weekend. Not off the table, just 'delayed indefinitely'.
https://racer.com/2021/10/19/no-andretti-f1-announcement-planned-for-cota-weekend/
You heading South for the race, Mike?
Quote from: skaifeman on October 22, 2021, 01:29:33 PM
You heading South for the race, Mike?
No. Too far. Never planned on it
Big win for Verstappen and Red Bull in Texas at one of Hamilton's favourite circuits. Very intense finish but it seemed like Lewis got within 1.5 seconds the dirty air was too much. Red Bull have won in Mexico and Brazil even when they had the second- or third-best car so they will be expecting to build a bit of a points buffer heading into the final three rounds in the Middle East.
Leclerc was awesome again. The guy deserves to have more than one podium against his name this season. Good weekend by Daniel as well. Very much looking forward to the Ferrari/McLaren fight for third in the constructors' as well as the championship battle.
More controversy over track limits. Alonso was taking the piss when he launched down the inside of Giovinazzi with no chance of making the corner and then tried to maintain the position. If they just put grass on the outside no driver would even think of making a move like that.
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on October 22, 2021, 07:57:12 PM
Quote from: skaifeman on October 22, 2021, 01:29:33 PM
You heading South for the race, Mike?
No. Too far. Never planned on it
3 races planned by 2023, you'd have to get to 1! F1 really attacking the US market off the back of the Netflix success.
Really enjoyable Austin race, the two at the front are deservedly there, 40s ahead of 3rd!
And you're right Ky, Alonso is having a laugh at track limits - I think he's trying to prove a point, but his argument against Kimi was completely incorrect. If it was his way we have tracks lined in concrete walls.
Quote from: skaifeman on October 26, 2021, 10:24:33 AM
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on October 22, 2021, 07:57:12 PM
Quote from: skaifeman on October 22, 2021, 01:29:33 PM
You heading South for the race, Mike?
No. Too far. Never planned on it
3 races planned by 2023, you'd have to get to 1! F1 really attacking the US market off the back of the Netflix success.
Really enjoyable Austin race, the two at the front are deservedly there, 40s ahead of 3rd!
And you're right Ky, Alonso is having a laugh at track limits - I think he's trying to prove a point, but his argument against Kimi was completely incorrect. If it was his way we have tracks lined in concrete walls.
F1 has let the drivers do whatever they want for so long now with track limits it is absolutely a joke.
I don't give a damn what the driver thinks is the 'best line' or whatever for a particular corner. The track is defined by the white lines, drive within them or get out of the car if you are not sufficiently professional enough to drive and let someone else do it.
If they can drive within the confines of Monaco they can drive within the confines of any track anywhere!
It doesn't help that some corners are heavily policed, with a lap time deleted if a car is a few centimetres over the line, while other corners see cars going a metre past the line with no consequence.
F1 can keep their miles of tarmac run-off. All they need is a five-metre strip of grass immediately off the edge of the circuit to stop drivers deliberately driving off track during a battle to maintain position. They also need to adjust their racing room rules. Max on lap one and Kimi in his battle with Alonso should both have been entitled to room on the exit of Turn 1, but because of the rules Lewis and Alonso are entitled to just run them straight off the circuit.
Quote from: Kytabu on October 26, 2021, 03:42:25 PM
It doesn't help that some corners are heavily policed, with a lap time deleted if a car is a few centimetres over the line, while other corners see cars going a metre past the line with no consequence.
F1 can keep their miles of tarmac run-off. All they need is a five-metre strip of grass immediately off the edge of the circuit to stop drivers deliberately driving off track during a battle to maintain position. They also need to adjust their racing room rules. Max on lap one and Kimi in his battle with Alonso should both have been entitled to room on the exit of Turn 1, but because of the rules Lewis and Alonso are entitled to just run them straight off the circuit.
absolutely! the whole thing of running your opposition off the track is stamped out and frowned on... except in the supposed premier category with the best of the best drivers...
give me a break!
Quote from: Kytabu on October 26, 2021, 03:42:25 PM
It doesn't help that some corners are heavily policed, with a lap time deleted if a car is a few centimetres over the line, while other corners see cars going a metre past the line with no consequence.
F1 can keep their miles of tarmac run-off. All they need is a five-metre strip of grass immediately off the edge of the circuit to stop drivers deliberately driving off track during a battle to maintain position. They also need to adjust their racing room rules. Max on lap one and Kimi in his battle with Alonso should both have been entitled to room on the exit of Turn 1, but because of the rules Lewis and Alonso are entitled to just run them straight off the circuit.
One of the best races I ever saw on TV from COTA was an IMSA race. They waved track limits. No policing involved. It went off like clockwork.
Quote from: skaifeman on October 26, 2021, 10:24:33 AM
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on October 22, 2021, 07:57:12 PM
Quote from: skaifeman on October 22, 2021, 01:29:33 PM
You heading South for the race, Mike?
No. Too far. Never planned on it
3 races planned by 2023, you'd have to get to 1! F1 really attacking the US market off the back of the Netflix success.
I have no interest in going down to Miami in May. Now, if they held it as the season opener it might get my attention. Texas is too far of a haul. If they run Indy again.... that's 2.5 hours away. But after the 2005 debacle there and the way the fans were treated at Spa this year, I am letting watching F1 live chill in the back of the fridge for now. I'd rather go to my local dirt speedway.
I did see one F1 race once. The streets of Detroit in 1987. Now rumor has that it looks like Indy Car will be moving back to downtown Detroit and off of Belle Isle in 2023.
If Verstappen is able to win in Brazil that will make it difficult for Hamilton, as Max would then only need to finish second in the remaining three races if Lewis won all three. Mercedes will be glad that Bottas has found some pace recently, but of course Perez has too. Throw in two unknown circuits with Losail and Jeddah and it is going to be a fascinating finish to the season. I'm hoping now that all of the top drivers have taken their fresh engine we get through without any mechanical DNFs to affect the championship. I can see Verstappen and Hamilton clashing again before the season ends.
This next round at Interlagos is the last of the Sprint Rounds for 2021. Yet another variable in the F1 stew.
https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2021/Brazil.html
More to come in 2022. Five, I think.
Hamilton was fastest in sprint qualifying but under investigation for a DRS infringement, which could lead to exclusion from the session.
In the 24-lap sprint I think he could still get back to the top five, but then he also has a five-place grid penalty for the Grand Prix.
Waiting for news of the stewards' investigation.
Quote from: Kytabu on November 13, 2021, 11:14:44 AM
Hamilton was fastest in sprint qualifying but under investigation for a DRS infringement, which could lead to exclusion from the session.
In the 24-lap sprint I think he could still get back to the top five, but then he also has a five-place grid penalty for the Grand Prix.
Waiting for news of the stewards' investigation.
Wonder if that's Mercedes realising that the title is starting to slip away and pulling out all the tricks?
My gut feel is that Max has it from here. An "accidental crash" between them one more time will likely end any comeback from Lewis.
Hamilton's woes are growing.
Quotehttps://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/hamilton-s-f1-title-hopes-take-massive-hit/ar-AAQDGc3?ocid=msedgntp
Lewis Hamilton beat rival Max Verstappen in qualifying to take pole position for Saturday's sprint race ahead of the Brazilian Grand Prix, although an engine change means the British driver is facing a five-place grid penalty.
... the decision by Mercedes to change the engine of his car means the British driver will not start higher than sixth in Sunday's race, even if he wins the sprint.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/key-issues-hamilton-verstappen-investigations/6776571/
It gets even more interesting. No decision was reached on the DRS issue on Friday night, so a decision will be made on Saturday morning (so in a couple of hours). Meanwhile, Verstappen has been summoned to the stewards for breaching parc ferme rules by touching both his and Hamilton's car after qualifying.
Hamilton DQd and Max fined.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/motorsport/f1-lewis-hamilton-disqualified-in-qualifying-max-verstappen-fined-brazilian-grand-prix/de9a2142-91ce-4417-8d54-9305350a4dad
Great drive from Hamilton to recover to fifth in the sprint. That Mercedes is super quick at the end of the pit straight. He will now start 10th after his engine penalty. He should cruise to the podium from there if he gets through the first lap. Bottas and Verstappen will probably pull too much of a gap, unless Mercedes try to use Bottas to push Verstappen back into the field.
With Verstappen scoring seven points across the three sprint qualifying races, and Hamilton just two, that could well be the difference in the title race after Abu Dhabi.
Toto can't handle defeat. Lewis was one of the best in the best car but he is on the downward spiral drivers hit once they have been on top for so long, everyone hits it but no need to cry wolf with officials or push the rule beyond the limit to combat it.
Quote from: Troy01505 on November 14, 2021, 09:33:29 AM
Toto can't handle defeat. Lewis was one of the best in the best car but he is on the downward spiral drivers hit once they have been on top for so long, everyone hits it but no need to cry wolf with officials or push the rule beyond the limit to combat it.
Seen much of Horner over the past few years? None of them can handle defeat, they have hundreds of millions of dollars sitting on their shoulders.
Quote from: Troy01505 on November 14, 2021, 09:33:29 AM
Lewis was one of the best in the best car but he is on the downward spiral drivers hit once they have been on top for so long
;D ;D glad you said was and is there!
I honestly thought that either Verstappen would stay ahead in that race or neither he nor Hamilton would finish. What a weekend of pure speed from Lewis.
Pretty crazy the change in heart over the 'racing limits,' between this Brazil and other weekends. Pretty clear Max drove out wide purposely. Seems you only get penalised if you're attacking.
Thankful that Max didn't open up the steering enough to put them both out to minimise any points deficit. It's a bloody good season!
and in news overnight there has been the passing of Sir Frank Williams. RIP :'(
Quote from: meha on November 29, 2021, 10:22:54 AM
and in news overnight there has been the passing of Sir Frank Williams. RIP :'(
Hand over heart and head bowed here in SW Michigan today.
He certainly had a huge impact on the sport for so many years.
Pivotal shunt in Jeddah for Max. We'll see if they have to take on a new gearbox.
I like what Martin Brundle said on the coverage here. It was basically, "No matter who you are pulling for between Hamilton and Verstappen, you have to feel bad for Max right now."
I lean towards it is not that you get knocked down, it is what you do about it when you get back up.
To be continued. Man is this a great season and a great comp. So many twists.
Well it was all going so well until Max decided to brake check another car. Ooops.
I'm worried that Verstappen has taken the Schumacher approach of "I'm ahead in the championship, so I'll win if my rival doesn't score". If Verstappen causes a crash that takes both drivers out of Abu Dhabi, therefore making him champion on countback, it will be very interesting to see what happens. I have a feeling the championship won't be decided until well after the chequered flag.
Going back to Silverstone, if Verstappen stayed wide at Copse and settled for second behind Hamilton, or challenged for the win later, he would be carrying at least an 18-point lead into the final race now. I see a lot of people bringing up Baku and Hungary, but Silverstone was the one incident where Verstappen lost points that he had some control over.
I feel the same way. I think the race would be far better if Hamilton had a one point lead. Max has shown since Monza that as long as he has the championship lead (even by countback) he'll happily take them both off the track.
just saw the Ferrari come out... looks like they have tried to Lewis proof the rear by putting the extra framework on the back ;)
Well, we're all set for the showdown tomorrow morning. Verstappen on pole with Hamilton alongside, Max starting on softs and Lewis on mediums. Perez starting P4 and Bottas in P6.
Can't wrap my head around Red Bull's tyre choice. Seems they're just expecting the softs to last a lot longer in the night conditions.
Quote from: skaifeman on December 12, 2021, 10:13:14 AM
Can't wrap my head around Red Bull's tyre choice. Seems they're just expecting the softs to last a lot longer in the night conditions.
Their hand was forced (with Max) when he flat spotted his Mediums in Q2, and they were the ones used on his quickest lap.
To beat Mercedes here, I thought beforehand they would have to do something different. How did we say at Bathurst in the V8CFL, skaifeman? Desperate men do desperate things. ;D
Quote from: Kytabu on December 12, 2021, 07:53:58 AM
Well, we're all set for the showdown tomorrow morning. Verstappen on pole with Hamilton alongside, Max starting on softs and Lewis on mediums. Perez starting P4 and Bottas in P6.
I'm staying off social media and watching when i get home from work. 5am wake up Monday morning will not be fun if I am up until 2am watching race cars. Would be worth it, but not fun.
Quote from: kennymiesta on December 12, 2021, 02:15:53 PM
Quote from: Kytabu on December 12, 2021, 07:53:58 AM
Well, we're all set for the showdown tomorrow morning. Verstappen on pole with Hamilton alongside, Max starting on softs and Lewis on mediums. Perez starting P4 and Bottas in P6.
I'm staying off social media and watching when i get home from work. 5am wake up Monday morning will not be fun if I am up until 2am watching race cars. Would be worth it, but not fun.
I'm in the same boat Kenny. But work be damned!
@Mike, yeah I figured they could just bolt on a new set of mediums and go again? Obviously not. I'm not all over the amount of tyres given etc, so I'd say you're likely right.
I have no doubt Red Bull have a plan though.
Quote from: skaifeman on December 12, 2021, 02:19:05 PM
Quote from: kennymiesta on December 12, 2021, 02:15:53 PM
Quote from: Kytabu on December 12, 2021, 07:53:58 AM
Well, we're all set for the showdown tomorrow morning. Verstappen on pole with Hamilton alongside, Max starting on softs and Lewis on mediums. Perez starting P4 and Bottas in P6.
I'm staying off social media and watching when i get home from work. 5am wake up Monday morning will not be fun if I am up until 2am watching race cars. Would be worth it, but not fun.
I'm in the same boat Kenny. But work be damned!
@Mike, yeah I figured they could just bolt on a new set of mediums and go again? Obviously not. I'm not all over the amount of tyres given etc, so I'd say you're likely right.
I have no doubt Red Bull have a plan though.
Over here, the green flag drops (five red lights out) at around 0800 hours. I can catch it in my pajamas whilst drinking my morning joe. What differences from each side of the planet as we spin around our Sun.
Red Bull will be quick out of the box, skaifey, but running softs on a full fuel load vice the Mercs running softs on a low load late.... Hell.... who knows WHAT might happen. Opposite ends of the spectrum are going to meet and go through each other somewhere tomorrow! This won't be a follow-the-leader caper for sure!
seems there have been a reasonable amount of incidents again though at this event which have required barrier repair/red flags...
not how you want a title decider to happen (if one of them gets a free kick changing tyres under red flag) but it is certainly a possibility
I know he doesn't need it, but Max should go buy a lotto ticket. Nothing but luck.
It's a season long though, well deserved. He had to beat the best.
Regardless of who they support, I think everyone can agree that the officialdom have been woeful in F1 this year.
Not a great way to see the championship end, but I feel that the luck Verstappen had this morning balances out with some of the luck Hamilton had with red flags earlier in the season.
Bloody good to see Mercedes Benz on the receiving end. Now they know how Liam Lawson felt after being on the receiving end of Mercedes Benz dirty tactics in the DTM. Couldn't happen to a "nicer" company
What we saw was the ineptitude of race control and their inability to work well under pressure. Masi was stumbling over himself, clearly flustered on the radio and backtracked on his decisions before finally making a decision which broke their own regulation for the sake of creating some action to the major detriment of the dominant driver of the race. You can't have that kind of hesitation and lack of clarity in a policing position within the sport. Masi is not fit for the role.
The Abu Dhabi jist:
Mercedes protested the result of the race after Verstappen passed Lewis Hamilton on the final lap, claiming the race shouldn't have restarted for one lap as the order to let lapped cars overtake the safety car had only just been given. The regulations state the safety car should be called in at the end of the following lap, but the Mercedes protest was dismissed as the stewards felt the regulations give race director Michael Masi full control over the safety car and its withdrawal.
Shortly after the protest was dismissed, Mercedes served notice of its intention to appeal, something Horner says his team is ready for.
https://racer.com/2021/12/12/red-bull-will-fight-mercedes-appeal-horner/
can believe that if it had happened in reverse Merc would be clinging onto that trophy and the number 1 and tough luck to Max/RedBull.
I don't mind the call itself, but can agree with Ospif's post, it was the change of decision that has made this a farce.
Mercedes had their hands tied, they pit, and Max likely stays out, but the race could then end under yellow.
They don't pit to avoid the above, but then get burnt by what actually transpired. Red Bull were always going to do the opposite just to play their joker card.
I wouldn't blame Masi. There's been numerous occasions this year where they seem to make up their interpretation of the rules on the fly. It comes down to motor-tainment.
Quote from: Ospif1 on December 13, 2021, 09:43:41 PM
What we saw was the ineptitude of race control and their inability to work well under pressure. Masi was stumbling over himself, clearly flustered on the radio and backtracked on his decisions before finally making a decision which broke their own regulation for the sake of creating some action to the major detriment of the dominant driver of the race. You can't have that kind of hesitation and lack of clarity in a policing position within the sport. Masi is not fit for the role.
And that's why there's a rulebook. All he had to do was follow it. If he wanted a racing lap, he had to keep the lapped cars behind.
I have no sympathy for Masi, he is out of his depth.
Quote from: Sonic on December 14, 2021, 11:45:32 AM
can believe that if it had happened in reverse Merc would be clinging onto that trophy and the number 1 and tough luck to Max/RedBull.
and red bull would also be protesting. Both are right to act as they are given the circumstances.
Hindsight being 20-20, this is a scenario out of any NASCAR race.
Back about 15-20 years ago, NASCAR had an issue at Talladega where the race ended under yellow after the end of a long day. The fans revolted by pelting the track and winner's car (Jeff Gordon) with debris. They then went to the green-white-checkered format, pioneered by another stock car series, ARCA (ironically now owned by NASCAR) which would end the race under green but presented a new problem - fuel management in the last stint. So then they decided to start throwing the red flag late in the race for a late race shunt/cleanup. This allowed everyone to pit once the red was lifted, for other than F1, no work can be performed on a car under red. But it basically reset the field for the final run and made the playing field level for the way pit stops are governed on an oval. Had F1 thrown the red, and everyone could have made a late race adjustment for the final few laps, it might have made the whole deal more "fair"? But this opens another can of worms, too. How many teams had unused red tyres? It can never be completely fair.
This was a no-win situation for the officials. It was compounded by their conduct earlier in the season and the race itself. The best scenario was for Latifi to throw it off two laps later.
And...... it's over:
Mercedes Withdraws Abu Dhabi Appeal
By Chris Medland | December 16, 2021 7:57 AM ET
Mercedes has dropped its appeal against the handling of the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix — confirming the results and Max Verstappen as drivers' champion — but "will hold the FIA accountable" during its review process.
Following a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council on Wednesday, the FIA announced it will conduct "a detailed analysis and clarification exercise for the future" following the reaction to the safety car usage and race resumption on Sunday. Following that move, Mercedes has announced it will not push ahead after previously lodging its intention to appeal, releasing a lengthy statement explaining its position.
"We left Abu Dhabi in disbelief of what we had just witnessed," the statement read. "Of course, it's part of the game to lose a race, but it's something different when you lose faith in racing.
"Together with Lewis, we have deliberated carefully over how to respond to the events at the Formula 1 season finale. We have always been guided by our love of this sport and we believe that every competition should be won on merit. In the race on Sunday many felt, us included, that the way things unfolded was not right.
"The reason we protested the race result on Sunday was because the safety car regulations were applied in a new way that affected the race result, after Lewis had been in a commanding lead and on course to win the world championship.
"We appealed in the interest of sporting fairness, and we have since been in a constructive dialogue with the FIA and Formula 1 to create clarity for the future, so that all competitors know the rules under which they are racing, and how they will be enforced. Thus, we welcome the decision by the FIA to install a commission to thoroughly analyze what happened in Abu Dhabi and to improve the robustness of rules, governance and decision making in Formula 1. We also welcome that they have invited the teams and drivers to take part.
"The Mercedes-AMG Petronas team will actively work with this commission to build a better Formula 1 — for every team and every fan who loves this sport as much as we do. We will hold the FIA accountable for this process and we hereby withdraw our appeal."
The team was went on to congratulate Verstappen and Red Bull for their success, having been engaged in a thrilling battle that led to the two drivers entering the final round level on points.
"To Max Verstappen and Red Bull Racing: we would like to express our sincere respect for your achievements this season. You made this Formula 1 championship title fight truly epic. Max, we congratulate you and your entire team. We look forward to taking the fight to you on the track next season."
https://racer.com/2021/12/16/mercedes-withdraws-abu-dhabi-appeal/
This surprised me to be honest. The more and more I think about it, the more F1 screwed up. An SC period has never ended like that, and they decided to literally throw a joker card. They broke their own rules, quoting that the race director can make his own decisions - what a cop out!
If this was any other race, it likely finishes under SC. Really poor, and it burns the longtime fans of the sport, not these Netflix tag alongs.
I'm not surprised, and it's not the first time Hamilton has been ripped off. In 2007 several cars were found to have illegal fuel temps in the final race. Had they been disqualified, Hamilton would have won the title. But, once the chequered flag falls at the end of a year, nothing is ever going to change the results.
Quote from: stp01 on December 17, 2021, 07:47:31 PM
I'm not surprised, and it's not the first time Hamilton has been ripped off. In 2007 several cars were found to have illegal fuel temps in the final race. Had they been disqualified, Hamilton would have won the title. But, once the chequered flag falls at the end of a year, nothing is ever going to change the results.
every driver has had race control make calls in their favour and against. and every driver at some point makes or breaks another driver's season.
absolutely the race was LH's and he should have won, but he wasn't even close to being champion for the year when you consider all that has gone on.
consider that Max led more laps over the season than every other driver combined and that includes being taken out of two races on lap one by the Merc drivers as well as the 3rd incident between MV/LH where neither finished. and if you removed the points from the farce of the rained out "race" and give Lewis the benefit of the win at the 2 where Max was taken out and give Max 2nd the championship still would have been over before Abu Dhabi, Max was simply that dominant.
he won the most races over the season. yes, LH came home stronger but a few wins does not make you a champion. 10vs8 wins to Max, 10vs5 poles to Max, 652 laps led by Max!!!
Max is the correct champion for F1 2021
Quote from: Sonic on December 18, 2021, 12:18:28 PM
Quote from: stp01 on December 17, 2021, 07:47:31 PM
I'm not surprised, and it's not the first time Hamilton has been ripped off. In 2007 several cars were found to have illegal fuel temps in the final race. Had they been disqualified, Hamilton would have won the title. But, once the chequered flag falls at the end of a year, nothing is ever going to change the results.
every driver has had race control make calls in their favour and against. and every driver at some point makes or breaks another driver's season.
absolutely the race was LH's and he should have won, but he wasn't even close to being champion for the year when you consider all that has gone on.
consider that Max led more laps over the season than every other driver combined and that includes being taken out of two races on lap one by the Merc drivers as well as the 3rd incident between MV/LH where neither finished. and if you removed the points from the farce of the rained out "race" and give Lewis the benefit of the win at the 2 where Max was taken out and give Max 2nd the championship still would have been over before Abu Dhabi, Max was simply that dominant.
he won the most races over the season. yes, LH came home stronger but a few wins does not make you a champion. 10vs8 wins to Max, 10vs5 poles to Max, 652 laps led by Max!!!
Max is the correct champion for F1 2021
I agree with everything you say. I don't think anyone on here (including me) has said Max doesn't deserve it. His results speak for themselves, he IS a deserving Champion. Whoever won it deserved it.
It's just the way those final laps played out were all wrong.
Sorry wrong that it was laughable!!
Within 15 seconds of the safety car being called Martin Brundle said,after looking at the lap count and the Latifi crash scene that there would be enough time for the race to resume with 1 or 2 racing laps,the lapped cars would be allowed to unlap themselves and Hamilton and Verstappen would be nose to tail.Hamilton was still a fair way from pit entrance.Mercedes would have worked this out too.They chose not to pit Hamilton which was a monumental error.From that moment they were going to lose unless the race director bailed them out.
What caused uncertainty was not letting the lapped cars pass but the delay in making the call.However the delay had no impact on the final result.It is standard procedure to let the lapped cars pass and regulation 15.3e gives the race director absolute authority how they do that.If you think there was fuss over this situation imagine finishing the race under caution when the track was able to go green or keeping the lapped cars from unlap ping themselves when in every race for the last 6 years the lapped cars have been given the wave by,
Unfortunate for Mercedes but they shot themselves in the foot with a terrible strategy call.You can't expect the Race Director to cover for their incompetence.
Quote from: skaifeman on December 19, 2021, 02:19:13 PM
Quote from: Sonic on December 18, 2021, 12:18:28 PM
Quote from: stp01 on December 17, 2021, 07:47:31 PM
I'm not surprised, and it's not the first time Hamilton has been ripped off. In 2007 several cars were found to have illegal fuel temps in the final race. Had they been disqualified, Hamilton would have won the title. But, once the chequered flag falls at the end of a year, nothing is ever going to change the results.
every driver has had race control make calls in their favour and against. and every driver at some point makes or breaks another driver's season.
absolutely the race was LH's and he should have won, but he wasn't even close to being champion for the year when you consider all that has gone on.
consider that Max led more laps over the season than every other driver combined and that includes being taken out of two races on lap one by the Merc drivers as well as the 3rd incident between MV/LH where neither finished. and if you removed the points from the farce of the rained out "race" and give Lewis the benefit of the win at the 2 where Max was taken out and give Max 2nd the championship still would have been over before Abu Dhabi, Max was simply that dominant.
he won the most races over the season. yes, LH came home stronger but a few wins does not make you a champion. 10vs8 wins to Max, 10vs5 poles to Max, 652 laps led by Max!!!
Max is the correct champion for F1 2021
I agree with everything you say. I don't think anyone on here (including me) has said Max doesn't deserve it. His results speak for themselves, he IS a deserving Champion. Whoever won it deserved it.
It's just the way those final laps played out were all wrong.
no disagreement on the final laps.
made for great tv but not how you want the 'premier motor racing category' to be viewed.
We've had the 'new' audio spark up the final race again.
For me, there's no denying Max is the rightful champ, but there is also no denying that Lewis got ripped off.
There's been too many rules not followed for me to keep Masi in his position.