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Title: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: LG on October 27, 2022, 10:09:15 AM
Two practices tomorrow for the Boostmobile Gold Coast 500.
It seems that SVG only has to finish 24th to claim the crown for this year.

Hopefully there won't be too much damage over the weekend as it will be dead money the teams have to spend with only a couple of races to go with the old clunkers.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: skaifeman on October 27, 2022, 10:42:17 AM
Will be watching in between runs at the BLCC over the weekend. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: stevo qld on October 27, 2022, 06:58:50 PM
Be Still, my beating Heart!  :o

Randle is to have a red stripe on his car.

Practice is on tomorrow and that is the most exciting announcement.

https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/tickford-reveals-tweaked-randle-livery/

And, almost as exciting, Macauley Jones is to have a grey car.  ::)

https://autoaction.com.au/2022/10/24/jones-goes-grey-for-gold-coast

Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: LG on October 28, 2022, 08:33:01 PM
Prac 1.




Pos Car  Competitor/Team                Driver                   Vehicle              Cap      Laps   Fastest...Lap          Gap

1    17  Shell V-Power Racing Team      Will Davison             Ford Mustang GT      5000       14    14 1:11.2213*S 
2    97  Red Bull Ampol Racing          Shane van Gisbergen      Holden Commodore ZB  5000       16     5 1:11.2401 S  0:00.0188
3     6  Monster Energy Racing          Cameron Waters           Ford Mustang GT      5000       14     4 1:11.4790 S  0:00.2577
4    25  Mobil 1 Optus Racing           Chaz Mostert             Holden Commodore ZB  5000       15    12 1:11.5147 S  0:00.2934
5    18  IRWIN Racing                   Mark Winterbottom        Holden Commodore ZB  5000       15    14 1:11.5274 S  0:00.3061
6    26  Penrite Racing                 David Reynolds           Ford Mustang GT      5000       13     8 1:11.5838 S  0:00.3625
7     2  Mobil 1 NTI Racing             Nick Percat              Holden Commodore ZB  5000       14    12 1:11.6086 S  0:00.3873
8    11  Shell V-Power Racing Team      Anton De Pasquale        Ford Mustang GT      5000       17    17 1:11.6554 S  0:00.4341
9     8  R&J Batteries Racing           Andre Heimgartner        Holden Commodore ZB  5000       16    16 1:11.7520 S  0:00.5307
10   34  Truck Assist Racing            Jack Le Brocq            Holden Commodore ZB  5000       17    15 1:11.7654 S  0:00.5441
11   31  Subway PremiAir Racing         James Golding            Holden Commodore ZB  5000       15    14 1:11.8151 S  0:00.5938
12   10  Penrite Racing                 Lee Holdsworth           Ford Mustang GT      5000       15     3 1:11.8201 S  0:00.5988
13   35  Truck Assist Racing            Todd Hazelwood           Holden Commodore ZB  5000       17    16 1:11.8402 S  0:00.6189
14   99  Boost Mobile Racing by Erebus  Brodie Kostecki          Holden Commodore ZB  5000       16    12 1:11.8407 S  0:00.6194
15    3  CoolDrive Auto Parts           Tim Slade                Ford Mustang GT      5000       13    13 1:11.8460 S  0:00.6247
16   22  PremiAir Coca Cola Racing      Chris Pither             Holden Commodore ZB  5000       15    15 1:11.8490 S  0:00.6277
17    5  Snowy River Racing             James Courtney           Ford Mustang GT      5000       16    10 1:11.9084 S  0:00.6871
18   55  Castrol Racing                 Thomas Randle            Ford Mustang GT      5000       15     6 1:11.9255 S  0:00.7042
19    9  Boost Mobile Racing by Erebus  William Brown            Holden Commodore ZB  5000       12     7 1:12.0345 S  0:00.8132
20   20  Nulon Racing                   Scott Pye                Holden Commodore ZB  5000       15     4 1:12.0408 S  0:00.8195
21   88  Red Bull Ampol Racing          Broc Feeney              Holden Commodore ZB  5000       19    18 1:12.4460 S  0:01.2247
22    4  SCT Racing                     Jack Smith               Holden Commodore ZB  5000       17    17 1:12.7440 S  0:01.5227
23   96  Pertamina                      Macauley Jones           Holden Commodore ZB  5000       14     7 1:12.7898 S  0:01.5685
24   56  Tradie Racing                  Jake Kostecki            Ford Mustang GT      5000       16    11 1:12.7927 S  0:01.5714
25   14  Middy's Electrical Racing      Bryce Fullwood           Holden Commodore ZB  5000       18    17 1:12.9904 S  0:01.7691

Fastest Lap Av.Speed Is 150kph, 107% Of First 1 Is 1:16.2068
Current Practice/Qualify Record Is 1:09.9179 Set On 20/10/2017 By Jamie Whincup In A Holden Commodore VF
R=under lap record by greatest margin, r=under lap record, *=fastest lap time




Prac 2


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Pos Car  Competitor/Team                Driver                   Vehicle              Cap      Laps   Fastest...Lap          Gap

1     6  Monster Energy Racing          Cameron Waters           Ford Mustang GT      5000       14    13 1:10.7215*S 
2    17  Shell V-Power Racing Team      Will Davison             Ford Mustang GT      5000       13    12 1:10.7397 S  0:00.0182
3    97  Red Bull Ampol Racing          Shane van Gisbergen      Holden Commodore ZB  5000       14    10 1:10.7416 S  0:00.0201
4    25  Mobil 1 Optus Racing           Chaz Mostert             Holden Commodore ZB  5000       15    14 1:10.8120 S  0:00.0905
5    26  Penrite Racing                 David Reynolds           Ford Mustang GT      5000       16    14 1:10.9334 S  0:00.2119
6     8  R&J Batteries Racing           Andre Heimgartner        Holden Commodore ZB  5000       16    15 1:10.9948 S  0:00.2733
7    11  Shell V-Power Racing Team      Anton De Pasquale        Ford Mustang GT      5000       15     7 1:11.0502 S  0:00.3287
8     2  Mobil 1 NTI Racing             Nick Percat              Holden Commodore ZB  5000       15    14 1:11.2281 S  0:00.5066
9     9  Boost Mobile Racing by Erebus  William Brown            Holden Commodore ZB  5000       12    11 1:11.2302 S  0:00.5087
10   18  IRWIN Racing                   Mark Winterbottom        Holden Commodore ZB  5000       14     2 1:11.2344 S  0:00.5129
11    5  Snowy River Racing             James Courtney           Ford Mustang GT      5000       15     6 1:11.2352 S  0:00.5137
12   20  Nulon Racing                   Scott Pye                Holden Commodore ZB  5000       15    13 1:11.2537 S  0:00.5322
13   10  Penrite Racing                 Lee Holdsworth           Ford Mustang GT      5000       14    14 1:11.2749 S  0:00.5534
14   99  Boost Mobile Racing by Erebus  Brodie Kostecki          Holden Commodore ZB  5000       17     6 1:11.3315 S  0:00.6100
15   55  Castrol Racing                 Thomas Randle            Ford Mustang GT      5000       14    13 1:11.3508 S  0:00.6293
16   96  Pertamina                      Macauley Jones           Holden Commodore ZB  5000       16    15 1:11.4847 S  0:00.7632
17    3  CoolDrive Auto Parts           Tim Slade                Ford Mustang GT      5000       12    12 1:11.5273 S  0:00.8058
18   34  Truck Assist Racing            Jack Le Brocq            Holden Commodore ZB  5000       16    14 1:11.5370 S  0:00.8155
19   88  Red Bull Ampol Racing          Broc Feeney              Holden Commodore ZB  5000       16    12 1:11.5378 S  0:00.8163
20   22  PremiAir Coca Cola Racing      Chris Pither             Holden Commodore ZB  5000       16    14 1:11.5496 S  0:00.8281
21   31  Subway PremiAir Racing         James Golding            Holden Commodore ZB  5000       12    12 1:11.7263 S  0:01.0048
22   35  Truck Assist Racing            Todd Hazelwood           Holden Commodore ZB  5000       16    15 1:11.8083 S  0:01.0868
23   14  Middy's Electrical Racing      Bryce Fullwood           Holden Commodore ZB  5000       17    17 1:11.9334 S  0:01.2119
24   56  Tradie Racing                  Jake Kostecki            Ford Mustang GT      5000       11     6 1:12.2028 S  0:01.4813
25    4  SCT Racing                     Jack Smith               Holden Commodore ZB  5000       16     5 1:12.2524 S  0:01.5309

Fastest Lap Av.Speed Is 151kph, 107% Of First 1 Is 1:15.6720
Current Practice/Qualify Record Is 1:09.9179 Set On 20/10/2017 By Jamie Whincup In A Holden Commodore VF
R=under lap record by greatest margin, r=under lap record, *=fastest lap time





Looks like some Stangs still have one lap pace but I'm guessing they will get overhauled once the racing really starts.


http://racing.natsoft.com.au/results/#2
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: stevo qld on October 28, 2022, 09:10:36 PM
QuoteThe fastest Supercars drivers in practice at Surfers Paradise have been left confused after what they claim is inconsistency in the track's kerb sensor system.

Both half-hour sessions on the opening day of the Boost Mobile Gold Coast 500 saw a spate of kerb strikes up and down the Repco Supercars Championship field, and the pace-setters were not unaffected.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/10/28/supercars-drivers-left-with-no-idea-after-random-gold-coast-kerb-strikes/

Here is an idea to avoid confusion. Drive ON the bloody track, provided at great expense.  :o



Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Zac on October 28, 2022, 10:00:45 PM
..or alternatively: Be a racing driver and push to the absolute limits of yourself, the car and the track.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Joe5619 on October 28, 2022, 11:05:46 PM
Those kerb strikes are going to be a problem!! Last 2-3 minutes of the last session, 2/3 of the cars kerb strikes their lap..
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Troy01505 on October 29, 2022, 08:42:27 AM
Quote from: stevo qld on October 28, 2022, 09:10:36 PM
QuoteThe fastest Supercars drivers in practice at Surfers Paradise have been left confused after what they claim is inconsistency in the track's kerb sensor system.

Both half-hour sessions on the opening day of the Boost Mobile Gold Coast 500 saw a spate of kerb strikes up and down the Repco Supercars Championship field, and the pace-setters were not unaffected.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/10/28/supercars-drivers-left-with-no-idea-after-random-gold-coast-kerb-strikes/

Here is an idea to avoid confusion. Drive ON the bloody track, provided at great expense.  :o

Should just have walls, after all it is a street circuit
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: mikeamerica84 on October 29, 2022, 10:17:16 AM
Occum's Razor - just eliminate the chicanes.  They can slow down enough at the end of the straights.  Puts a premium on saving brakes.  There are runoffs if they miss.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: murph_fan51 on October 29, 2022, 10:46:21 AM
Wow, Wilbur 3 or 4 tenths quicker than Anton. Will is well and truly worthy of the #17 seat next year!

Maybe Anton might have had more success at Erebus?

As for the chicanes, scrap the sensors and let the drivers risk ruining their cars ove r the chicanes.  It makes a great spectacle for the fans.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: LG on October 29, 2022, 02:46:16 PM
Great lap by Davey in the Shootout!
Kerb strikes galore.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: madbugger on October 29, 2022, 05:52:44 PM
quote of the day from Cam Waters - "I've had a bit of a moment"

Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Sonic on October 29, 2022, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: madbugger on October 29, 2022, 05:52:44 PM
quote of the day from Cam Waters - "I've had a bit of a moment"

he'll never make it as a soccer player with that level of understatement...

some ok dices out there... only disappointment for me I think was that Davey didn't make it hard for Giz at the hairpin either time.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: SetonFan on October 29, 2022, 11:07:28 PM
Hopefully Davo qualifies better tomorrow as it looked like his race pace was very good to make up so much ground.

Good that Frosty's somehow made it up to 9th in the standings with Heimgartner's shocker.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: TheArrow on October 30, 2022, 01:10:20 PM
Surely the rest of the field has stopped developing their cars before Gen3... Dunno how he has managed to smash everyone so easily the last few events.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: SetonFan on October 30, 2022, 03:24:48 PM
There's now been a red flag in the Sunday races in Rounds 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 and 12!
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: madbugger on October 30, 2022, 03:32:05 PM
Lotsa $$$ tied up in that crash  :( :( :(
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Sonic on October 30, 2022, 05:09:56 PM
disgraceful that after having written so many cars off over so many different incidents MA persists and causing so much damage they still do this... the cars have sensors and that is all that is required.

remove the tyre bundles and Golding may have hit the wall but I reckon everyone else would have got through. but I doubt he would have as he wouldn't have hit the bundle either and could have straight lined the second chicane... take a penalty for that and everyone gets to play on

man I hate street circuits
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Joe5619 on October 30, 2022, 05:57:39 PM
Given the sensors, God only knows why they put the tyres there.. Hopefully this accident is the last time we see them.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Troy01505 on October 30, 2022, 07:06:35 PM
Quote from: TheArrow on October 30, 2022, 01:10:20 PM
Surely the rest of the field has stopped developing their cars before Gen3... Dunno how he has managed to smash everyone so easily the last few events.

Spot on. Triple 8 have their package and it works, others are saving for next year I'd say. Most of the other teams are probably tapped out due to repair bills skyrocketing this season. I highly doubt they'd have much left to gain the 1/10 needed
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: GASMAN on October 30, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
Totally lopsided series that's placated to one team and one manufacturer and I'm glad I've not watched a lap of it
Honestly why would one bother.And you guys are quite delusional citing funds and saving the bucks for next year.Look at the results - they were a foregone conclusion three years ago
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Westfield on October 30, 2022, 07:49:38 PM
Didn't go, even though I live on the Gold Coast. Foxtel (or Kayo) does a very good job.
Seems that wisdom comes with age. Why can't they show driving and set up skills and still drive on the racing surface?
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: stevo qld on October 30, 2022, 08:04:31 PM
Right from the start of the telecasts, Supercars showed previous crashes at almost every stage, including specific feature pieces.

Maybe Supercars see the incident as a future promotion enhancement tool.

Maybe that is why they persist with that crazy design chicane and tyre bundles.

I would also like to see the raised curbs replaced with level painted boundaries to cut down on the dangerous two wheeling whereby drivers have no directional control if an incident occurs in front of them.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Iggle Piggle on October 30, 2022, 08:28:19 PM
With 88 crashing out early I though the Teams Championship would be decided in Adelaide, but now with Anton DSQ from today's race due to team fitting a tyre under the minimum 17psi, Red Bull have got it sewn up.

DJR really have made a lot of mistakes in the pits this season.  I get that development has probably stymied with Roger's dollars gone but would have thought most of the pit personnel would be the same and just as drilled as recent years.  Not all of the time/position/points that DJR lost in pits this year is straight-out bad-luck like a jammed gun; a lot of it has been straight out human errors.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: murph_fan51 on October 30, 2022, 08:51:04 PM
Quote from: Joe5619 on October 30, 2022, 05:57:39 PM
Given the sensors, God only knows why they put the tyres there.. Hopefully this accident is the last time we see them.
There must be some reason. With the drivers sitting so low in the car, are the tyre bundles meant help with their vision of the chicane?

https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/de-pasquale-disqualified-from-gold-coast-finale/
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Trevor on October 30, 2022, 08:53:21 PM
Why was Anton disqualified
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: LG on October 30, 2022, 08:59:09 PM
Quote from: Trevor on October 30, 2022, 08:53:21 PM
Why was Anton disqualified

One tyre in his last pit stop was below the minimum pressure.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Sonic on October 30, 2022, 09:03:30 PM
Quote from: Trevor on October 30, 2022, 08:53:21 PM
Why was Anton disqualified

read he had a tyre under pressured
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Sonic on October 30, 2022, 09:11:59 PM
"Van Gisbergen matched van Gisbergen's career wins tally of 56 earlier this year, but has since moved on to 75." - from https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/van-gisbergen-answers-mclaughlins-burnout-plea/

umm....
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Joe5619 on October 31, 2022, 08:38:45 AM
Quote from: GASMAN on October 30, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
Totally lopsided series that's placated to one team and one manufacturer and I'm glad I've not watched a lap of it
Honestly why would one bother.And you guys are quite delusional citing funds and saving the bucks for next year.Look at the results - they were a foregone conclusion three years ago
If you didn't watch the race, don't comment!
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: fordman on October 31, 2022, 10:33:23 AM
I just feel sorry for those super 2 teams that may have bought those chassis' for next year
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Troy01505 on October 31, 2022, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: Joe5619 on October 31, 2022, 08:38:45 AM
Quote from: GASMAN on October 30, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
Totally lopsided series that's placated to one team and one manufacturer and I'm glad I've not watched a lap of it
Honestly why would one bother.And you guys are quite delusional citing funds and saving the bucks for next year.Look at the results - they were a foregone conclusion three years ago
If you didn't watch the race, don't comment!

You have one driver thats well above the rest!

Funny how when Scotty and Fabian were at the top most ford fans supported that.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: LG on October 31, 2022, 11:26:01 AM
Quote from: Troy01505 on October 31, 2022, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: Joe5619 on October 31, 2022, 08:38:45 AM
Quote from: GASMAN on October 30, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
Totally lopsided series that's placated to one team and one manufacturer and I'm glad I've not watched a lap of it
Honestly why would one bother.And you guys are quite delusional citing funds and saving the bucks for next year.Look at the results - they were a foregone conclusion three years ago
If you didn't watch the race, don't comment!

You have one driver thats well above the rest!

Funny how when Scotty and Fabian were at the top most ford fans supported that.


There was no daylight involved, well, not very often.
Scotty won (and to a much lesser extent, Fabian) after ding-dong battles against other teams whose equipment wasn't hobbled.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Bloopy on November 01, 2022, 12:41:53 AM
Sometimes your Subway is fresh and other times it's toasted...

Quote from: GASMAN on October 30, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
Totally lopsided series that's placated to one team and one manufacturer and I'm glad I've not watched a lap of it
Honestly why would one bother.

After I started watching regularly in 2011, why did I keep watching just to see Jamie win 4 championships in a row? Well, it's the characters of the sport that make it entertaining. Plus it's still interesting watching them race hard for 2nd place sometimes - although there are limits to that. By the time McLaughlin was working on his 3rd championship I wasn't so focused on his car either. I am curious to see how well Giz does with Gen3, but if he just keeps winning and winning I'll agree it's not great for the sport.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Trevor on November 01, 2022, 06:03:48 AM
Couldn't even be bothered watching one lap - it is the 888 show AGAIN!!!!, I can't be bothered

Oh, my days at Bathurst are done too
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: skaifeman on November 01, 2022, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Trevor on November 01, 2022, 06:03:48 AM
Oh, my days at Bathurst are done too

I think we're all still drying out from that one.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: AlbertM on November 01, 2022, 12:03:40 PM
Quote from: Troy01505 on October 31, 2022, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: Joe5619 on October 31, 2022, 08:38:45 AM
Quote from: GASMAN on October 30, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
Totally lopsided series that's placated to one team and one manufacturer and I'm glad I've not watched a lap of it
Honestly why would one bother.And you guys are quite delusional citing funds and saving the bucks for next year.Look at the results - they were a foregone conclusion three years ago
If you didn't watch the race, don't comment!

You have one driver thats well above the rest!

Funny how when Scotty and Fabian were at the top most ford fans supported that.

The howls from the red side were deafening. Funny how they now support a a run away leader in a car that has been given upgrades while the opposition was hobbled.  :-*
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: stevo qld on November 01, 2022, 06:07:25 PM
Quote from: Trevor on November 01, 2022, 06:03:48 AM
Couldn't even be bothered watching one lap - it is the 888 show AGAIN!!!!, I can't be bothered

Oh, my days at Bathurst are done too

If one is not following Supercars, it seems superfluous to be joining discussion in a Supercars Forum.  ??? ::)
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Alan59 on November 01, 2022, 07:42:09 PM
It seems DJR,Walkinshaw and FPR are pretty close.The dominance is a van Gisbergen one rather than a car one.Very hard to fix without screwing over everyone else running that car.
Hard to see Gen 3 making much difference.It needs another McLaughlin to come along.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: AlbertM on November 01, 2022, 10:10:13 PM
Quote from: Alan59 on November 01, 2022, 07:42:09 PM
It seems DJR,Walkinshaw and FPR are pretty close.The dominance is a van Gisbergen one rather than a car one.Very hard to fix without screwing over everyone else running that car.
Hard to see Gen 3 making much difference.It needs another McLaughlin to come along.
We did have a McLaughlin and they did screw over everyone else in a Mustang.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: murph_fan51 on November 01, 2022, 10:13:34 PM
Time for success ballast?
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: stevo qld on November 02, 2022, 12:44:53 AM
Although it is not a Surfers topic"

I like it that there are a few drivers giving competition to a dominant driver.

With McLaughlan, we had SVG as primary competition.

With SVG, now, we have Davison as primary competition. I know he is not second in the championship, but no other driver has taken it to SVG like the old fella.

Davison has clearly been the cream of the DJR crop, when his car cooperates in the races as well as in qualifying.

Mostert has been the best with WAU, but clearly, he has no intrateam competition.

Waters is up there, but IMHO, this shows just how good the Tickford Mustangs are. This makes his teammates look sad by comparison. I wonder if Tickford is seriously looking at changing their second, third and fourth string drivers for 2023. Sponsorship money may be their saving grace. The change of Tickford ownership, may relegate the previous part owner's golden boy. Again IMHO. they should be looking at selling at least one REC (whatever they are called now) while there is big money about. They must be sick of running mid and back markers. Maybe they should be looking for the Best alternative and running 2 cars Super1 and 2 cars Super 2.

The same applies to BJR. They have three mid or back markers, but one backmarker has a Daddy paying the bills and another has a Daddy who owns the team.

The team to watch is Peter Xibberas'. He has the financial backing, Mangement ability, and a winning attitude and record as an Australian Champion Top Fueller Racer. He also has access to the absolute best Camaro machinery. Incidentally he owns at least five 2022 spec Commodores with a lot of history. He does have Slade for 2023, who is not really top class. Hopefully, he selects a really competent and competitive driver who can profit from Slade's experience.

Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Trevor on November 02, 2022, 04:56:36 AM
Quote from: stevo qld on November 01, 2022, 06:07:25 PM
If one is not following Supercars, it seems superfluous to be joining discussion in a Supercars Forum.  ??? ::)
I think it important that some people just mind their own business  ;)
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Zac on November 02, 2022, 06:46:54 AM
Look on the bright side, Trev. Bathurst is always a great weekend, regardless of the result and the weather - and you've seen some great Holden wins.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Trevor on November 02, 2022, 09:06:44 AM
there is no bright side to a GM Opel win Zac
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Ospif1 on November 02, 2022, 08:02:09 PM
Quote from: murph_fan51 on November 01, 2022, 10:13:34 PM
Time for success ballast?
Wouldn't be surprised if the discussions reared their head.  It works well in BTCC and has improved the racing there IMO.

They won't do anything for next season though as they'll need a season with the new cars to see where the dust settles.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Troy01505 on November 03, 2022, 06:17:03 AM
The racing already has an artificial element that takes away passing on the track.

Ryan Story confirms as people have suggested above, there resources are stretched and main focus is on Gen 3:

https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/11/03/story-svg-dominance-different-if-mclaughlin-here/

Guess we can put the whole Triple 8 favouritism to bed once again.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Trevor on November 03, 2022, 07:26:28 AM
Quote from: Troy01505 on November 03, 2022, 06:17:03 AM
Guess we can put the whole Triple 8 favouritism to bed once again.
not at all, they are the builders of the Gen III cars - how can you possibly say that?
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: mikeamerica84 on November 03, 2022, 11:57:22 PM
Quote from: Ospif1 on November 02, 2022, 08:02:09 PM
Quote from: murph_fan51 on November 01, 2022, 10:13:34 PM
Time for success ballast?
Wouldn't be surprised if the discussions reared their head.  It works well in BTCC and has improved the racing there IMO.

They won't do anything for next season though as they'll need a season with the new cars to see where the dust settles.
BTCC changed their racing formula for this year and got rid of success ballast.

"Gone is the old success ballast system of added weight, replaced by a sliding scale of what's known as Hybrid Energy Modulation (HEM). For qualifying from the second meeting, the top 10 in the championship will have fewer seconds of boost to play with, from zero per lap for the points leader to 13.5 seconds for the driver in 10th and 15 seconds for all those thereafter."

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-btcc/btcc-2022-lowdown-new-era-touring-cars

On a separate note, I still say get rid of the chicanes at the Gold Coast.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Troy01505 on November 04, 2022, 08:06:18 AM
Quote from: Trevor on November 03, 2022, 07:26:28 AM
Quote from: Troy01505 on November 03, 2022, 06:17:03 AM
Guess we can put the whole Triple 8 favouritism to bed once again.
not at all, they are the builders of the Gen III cars - how can you possibly say that?

Are you saying DJR are not up to the task now Penske is gone?
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Trevor on November 04, 2022, 09:06:10 AM
do some homework on the Gen III cars will ya - look at who is building them
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: mikeamerica84 on November 04, 2022, 10:12:01 AM
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on November 03, 2022, 11:57:22 PM
Quote from: Ospif1 on November 02, 2022, 08:02:09 PM
Quote from: murph_fan51 on November 01, 2022, 10:13:34 PM
Time for success ballast?
Wouldn't be surprised if the discussions reared their head.  It works well in BTCC and has improved the racing there IMO.

They won't do anything for next season though as they'll need a season with the new cars to see where the dust settles.
BTCC changed their racing formula for this year and got rid of success ballast.

"Gone is the old success ballast system of added weight, replaced by a sliding scale of what's known as Hybrid Energy Modulation (HEM). For qualifying from the second meeting, the top 10 in the championship will have fewer seconds of boost to play with, from zero per lap for the points leader to 13.5 seconds for the driver in 10th and 15 seconds for all those thereafter."

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-btcc/btcc-2022-lowdown-new-era-touring-cars

On a separate note, I still say get rid of the chicanes at the Gold Coast.
Although gone in BTCC, success ballast IS an option, Ospif1 & murph.  It could always be tabled down the road.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: kennymiesta on November 04, 2022, 03:08:27 PM
Quote from: Trevor on November 04, 2022, 09:06:10 AM
do some homework on the Gen III cars will ya - look at who is building them
T8 have built the Camaro test car & DJR have built the Mustang test car. All teams are free to build their own cars (Team18 have recently announced they will be doing this), but teams will have to purchase their engines from the homoligated builder (KRE in the case of GM & Herrod in the case of Ford). Both T8 and DJR have had equal responsibility in regards to the "building" of the cars, so any favouritism to T8 will also be favouritism to DJR.
Opinions are one thing, but don't try and pass them off as facts.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Iggle Piggle on November 04, 2022, 09:39:34 PM
Did that go the way you thought it would Trev?

(https://www.dafont.com/forum/attach/orig/5/8/581469.jpg)
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: AlbertM on November 06, 2022, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: Iggle Piggle on November 04, 2022, 09:39:34 PM
Did that go the way you thought it would Trev?

(https://www.dafont.com/forum/attach/orig/5/8/581469.jpg)

Why are you taking a victory lap? You didn't do anything.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: AlbertM on November 06, 2022, 11:40:56 AM
Quote from: Ospif1 on November 02, 2022, 08:02:09 PM
Quote from: murph_fan51 on November 01, 2022, 10:13:34 PM
Time for success ballast?
Wouldn't be surprised if the discussions reared their head.  It works well in BTCC and has improved the racing there IMO.

They won't do anything for next season though as they'll need a season with the new cars to see where the dust settles.

You sure? The dust never stopped them before.
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: skaifeman on November 09, 2022, 10:49:19 AM
Golding to drive the Lowndes/Fraser wildcard car at Adelaide due to the crash:
https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/chassis-swap-locked-in-for-adelaide-500/?fbclid=IwAR2NtwwnycFYBCCocZImoaBq8qqoG01wqq5xjBS56AxYS5pVXVGRXAIjHBk
Title: Re: Sun, Surf and No Rain. Gold Coast ##Spoilers##
Post by: Trevor on November 09, 2022, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: AlbertM on November 06, 2022, 11:39:21 AM
Why are you taking a victory lap? You didn't do anything.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D