Two practices tomorrow for the Boostmobile Gold Coast 500.
It seems that SVG only has to finish 24th to claim the crown for this year.
Hopefully there won't be too much damage over the weekend as it will be dead money the teams have to spend with only a couple of races to go with the old clunkers.
Will be watching in between runs at the BLCC over the weekend. Looking forward to it.
Be Still, my beating Heart! :o
Randle is to have a red stripe on his car.
Practice is on tomorrow and that is the most exciting announcement.
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/tickford-reveals-tweaked-randle-livery/
And, almost as exciting, Macauley Jones is to have a grey car. ::)
https://autoaction.com.au/2022/10/24/jones-goes-grey-for-gold-coast
Prac 1.
Pos Car Competitor/Team Driver Vehicle Cap Laps Fastest...Lap Gap
1 17 Shell V-Power Racing Team Will Davison Ford Mustang GT 5000 14 14 1:11.2213*S
2 97 Red Bull Ampol Racing Shane van Gisbergen Holden Commodore ZB 5000 16 5 1:11.2401 S 0:00.0188
3 6 Monster Energy Racing Cameron Waters Ford Mustang GT 5000 14 4 1:11.4790 S 0:00.2577
4 25 Mobil 1 Optus Racing Chaz Mostert Holden Commodore ZB 5000 15 12 1:11.5147 S 0:00.2934
5 18 IRWIN Racing Mark Winterbottom Holden Commodore ZB 5000 15 14 1:11.5274 S 0:00.3061
6 26 Penrite Racing David Reynolds Ford Mustang GT 5000 13 8 1:11.5838 S 0:00.3625
7 2 Mobil 1 NTI Racing Nick Percat Holden Commodore ZB 5000 14 12 1:11.6086 S 0:00.3873
8 11 Shell V-Power Racing Team Anton De Pasquale Ford Mustang GT 5000 17 17 1:11.6554 S 0:00.4341
9 8 R&J Batteries Racing Andre Heimgartner Holden Commodore ZB 5000 16 16 1:11.7520 S 0:00.5307
10 34 Truck Assist Racing Jack Le Brocq Holden Commodore ZB 5000 17 15 1:11.7654 S 0:00.5441
11 31 Subway PremiAir Racing James Golding Holden Commodore ZB 5000 15 14 1:11.8151 S 0:00.5938
12 10 Penrite Racing Lee Holdsworth Ford Mustang GT 5000 15 3 1:11.8201 S 0:00.5988
13 35 Truck Assist Racing Todd Hazelwood Holden Commodore ZB 5000 17 16 1:11.8402 S 0:00.6189
14 99 Boost Mobile Racing by Erebus Brodie Kostecki Holden Commodore ZB 5000 16 12 1:11.8407 S 0:00.6194
15 3 CoolDrive Auto Parts Tim Slade Ford Mustang GT 5000 13 13 1:11.8460 S 0:00.6247
16 22 PremiAir Coca Cola Racing Chris Pither Holden Commodore ZB 5000 15 15 1:11.8490 S 0:00.6277
17 5 Snowy River Racing James Courtney Ford Mustang GT 5000 16 10 1:11.9084 S 0:00.6871
18 55 Castrol Racing Thomas Randle Ford Mustang GT 5000 15 6 1:11.9255 S 0:00.7042
19 9 Boost Mobile Racing by Erebus William Brown Holden Commodore ZB 5000 12 7 1:12.0345 S 0:00.8132
20 20 Nulon Racing Scott Pye Holden Commodore ZB 5000 15 4 1:12.0408 S 0:00.8195
21 88 Red Bull Ampol Racing Broc Feeney Holden Commodore ZB 5000 19 18 1:12.4460 S 0:01.2247
22 4 SCT Racing Jack Smith Holden Commodore ZB 5000 17 17 1:12.7440 S 0:01.5227
23 96 Pertamina Macauley Jones Holden Commodore ZB 5000 14 7 1:12.7898 S 0:01.5685
24 56 Tradie Racing Jake Kostecki Ford Mustang GT 5000 16 11 1:12.7927 S 0:01.5714
25 14 Middy's Electrical Racing Bryce Fullwood Holden Commodore ZB 5000 18 17 1:12.9904 S 0:01.7691
Fastest Lap Av.Speed Is 150kph, 107% Of First 1 Is 1:16.2068
Current Practice/Qualify Record Is 1:09.9179 Set On 20/10/2017 By Jamie Whincup In A Holden Commodore VF
R=under lap record by greatest margin, r=under lap record, *=fastest lap time
Prac 2
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Pos Car Competitor/Team Driver Vehicle Cap Laps Fastest...Lap Gap
1 6 Monster Energy Racing Cameron Waters Ford Mustang GT 5000 14 13 1:10.7215*S
2 17 Shell V-Power Racing Team Will Davison Ford Mustang GT 5000 13 12 1:10.7397 S 0:00.0182
3 97 Red Bull Ampol Racing Shane van Gisbergen Holden Commodore ZB 5000 14 10 1:10.7416 S 0:00.0201
4 25 Mobil 1 Optus Racing Chaz Mostert Holden Commodore ZB 5000 15 14 1:10.8120 S 0:00.0905
5 26 Penrite Racing David Reynolds Ford Mustang GT 5000 16 14 1:10.9334 S 0:00.2119
6 8 R&J Batteries Racing Andre Heimgartner Holden Commodore ZB 5000 16 15 1:10.9948 S 0:00.2733
7 11 Shell V-Power Racing Team Anton De Pasquale Ford Mustang GT 5000 15 7 1:11.0502 S 0:00.3287
8 2 Mobil 1 NTI Racing Nick Percat Holden Commodore ZB 5000 15 14 1:11.2281 S 0:00.5066
9 9 Boost Mobile Racing by Erebus William Brown Holden Commodore ZB 5000 12 11 1:11.2302 S 0:00.5087
10 18 IRWIN Racing Mark Winterbottom Holden Commodore ZB 5000 14 2 1:11.2344 S 0:00.5129
11 5 Snowy River Racing James Courtney Ford Mustang GT 5000 15 6 1:11.2352 S 0:00.5137
12 20 Nulon Racing Scott Pye Holden Commodore ZB 5000 15 13 1:11.2537 S 0:00.5322
13 10 Penrite Racing Lee Holdsworth Ford Mustang GT 5000 14 14 1:11.2749 S 0:00.5534
14 99 Boost Mobile Racing by Erebus Brodie Kostecki Holden Commodore ZB 5000 17 6 1:11.3315 S 0:00.6100
15 55 Castrol Racing Thomas Randle Ford Mustang GT 5000 14 13 1:11.3508 S 0:00.6293
16 96 Pertamina Macauley Jones Holden Commodore ZB 5000 16 15 1:11.4847 S 0:00.7632
17 3 CoolDrive Auto Parts Tim Slade Ford Mustang GT 5000 12 12 1:11.5273 S 0:00.8058
18 34 Truck Assist Racing Jack Le Brocq Holden Commodore ZB 5000 16 14 1:11.5370 S 0:00.8155
19 88 Red Bull Ampol Racing Broc Feeney Holden Commodore ZB 5000 16 12 1:11.5378 S 0:00.8163
20 22 PremiAir Coca Cola Racing Chris Pither Holden Commodore ZB 5000 16 14 1:11.5496 S 0:00.8281
21 31 Subway PremiAir Racing James Golding Holden Commodore ZB 5000 12 12 1:11.7263 S 0:01.0048
22 35 Truck Assist Racing Todd Hazelwood Holden Commodore ZB 5000 16 15 1:11.8083 S 0:01.0868
23 14 Middy's Electrical Racing Bryce Fullwood Holden Commodore ZB 5000 17 17 1:11.9334 S 0:01.2119
24 56 Tradie Racing Jake Kostecki Ford Mustang GT 5000 11 6 1:12.2028 S 0:01.4813
25 4 SCT Racing Jack Smith Holden Commodore ZB 5000 16 5 1:12.2524 S 0:01.5309
Fastest Lap Av.Speed Is 151kph, 107% Of First 1 Is 1:15.6720
Current Practice/Qualify Record Is 1:09.9179 Set On 20/10/2017 By Jamie Whincup In A Holden Commodore VF
R=under lap record by greatest margin, r=under lap record, *=fastest lap time
Looks like some Stangs still have one lap pace but I'm guessing they will get overhauled once the racing really starts.
http://racing.natsoft.com.au/results/#2
QuoteThe fastest Supercars drivers in practice at Surfers Paradise have been left confused after what they claim is inconsistency in the track's kerb sensor system.
Both half-hour sessions on the opening day of the Boost Mobile Gold Coast 500 saw a spate of kerb strikes up and down the Repco Supercars Championship field, and the pace-setters were not unaffected.
https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/10/28/supercars-drivers-left-with-no-idea-after-random-gold-coast-kerb-strikes/
Here is an idea to avoid confusion. Drive ON the bloody track, provided at great expense. :o
..or alternatively: Be a racing driver and push to the absolute limits of yourself, the car and the track.
Those kerb strikes are going to be a problem!! Last 2-3 minutes of the last session, 2/3 of the cars kerb strikes their lap..
Quote from: stevo qld on October 28, 2022, 09:10:36 PM
QuoteThe fastest Supercars drivers in practice at Surfers Paradise have been left confused after what they claim is inconsistency in the track's kerb sensor system.
Both half-hour sessions on the opening day of the Boost Mobile Gold Coast 500 saw a spate of kerb strikes up and down the Repco Supercars Championship field, and the pace-setters were not unaffected.
https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/10/28/supercars-drivers-left-with-no-idea-after-random-gold-coast-kerb-strikes/
Here is an idea to avoid confusion. Drive ON the bloody track, provided at great expense. :o
Should just have walls, after all it is a street circuit
Occum's Razor - just eliminate the chicanes. They can slow down enough at the end of the straights. Puts a premium on saving brakes. There are runoffs if they miss.
Wow, Wilbur 3 or 4 tenths quicker than Anton. Will is well and truly worthy of the #17 seat next year!
Maybe Anton might have had more success at Erebus?
As for the chicanes, scrap the sensors and let the drivers risk ruining their cars ove r the chicanes. It makes a great spectacle for the fans.
Great lap by Davey in the Shootout!
Kerb strikes galore.
quote of the day from Cam Waters - "I've had a bit of a moment"
Quote from: madbugger on October 29, 2022, 05:52:44 PM
quote of the day from Cam Waters - "I've had a bit of a moment"
he'll never make it as a soccer player with that level of understatement...
some ok dices out there... only disappointment for me I think was that Davey didn't make it hard for Giz at the hairpin either time.
Hopefully Davo qualifies better tomorrow as it looked like his race pace was very good to make up so much ground.
Good that Frosty's somehow made it up to 9th in the standings with Heimgartner's shocker.
Surely the rest of the field has stopped developing their cars before Gen3... Dunno how he has managed to smash everyone so easily the last few events.
There's now been a red flag in the Sunday races in Rounds 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 and 12!
Lotsa $$$ tied up in that crash :( :( :(
disgraceful that after having written so many cars off over so many different incidents MA persists and causing so much damage they still do this... the cars have sensors and that is all that is required.
remove the tyre bundles and Golding may have hit the wall but I reckon everyone else would have got through. but I doubt he would have as he wouldn't have hit the bundle either and could have straight lined the second chicane... take a penalty for that and everyone gets to play on
man I hate street circuits
Given the sensors, God only knows why they put the tyres there.. Hopefully this accident is the last time we see them.
Quote from: TheArrow on October 30, 2022, 01:10:20 PM
Surely the rest of the field has stopped developing their cars before Gen3... Dunno how he has managed to smash everyone so easily the last few events.
Spot on. Triple 8 have their package and it works, others are saving for next year I'd say. Most of the other teams are probably tapped out due to repair bills skyrocketing this season. I highly doubt they'd have much left to gain the 1/10 needed
Totally lopsided series that's placated to one team and one manufacturer and I'm glad I've not watched a lap of it
Honestly why would one bother.And you guys are quite delusional citing funds and saving the bucks for next year.Look at the results - they were a foregone conclusion three years ago
Didn't go, even though I live on the Gold Coast. Foxtel (or Kayo) does a very good job.
Seems that wisdom comes with age. Why can't they show driving and set up skills and still drive on the racing surface?
Right from the start of the telecasts, Supercars showed previous crashes at almost every stage, including specific feature pieces.
Maybe Supercars see the incident as a future promotion enhancement tool.
Maybe that is why they persist with that crazy design chicane and tyre bundles.
I would also like to see the raised curbs replaced with level painted boundaries to cut down on the dangerous two wheeling whereby drivers have no directional control if an incident occurs in front of them.
With 88 crashing out early I though the Teams Championship would be decided in Adelaide, but now with Anton DSQ from today's race due to team fitting a tyre under the minimum 17psi, Red Bull have got it sewn up.
DJR really have made a lot of mistakes in the pits this season. I get that development has probably stymied with Roger's dollars gone but would have thought most of the pit personnel would be the same and just as drilled as recent years. Not all of the time/position/points that DJR lost in pits this year is straight-out bad-luck like a jammed gun; a lot of it has been straight out human errors.
Quote from: Joe5619 on October 30, 2022, 05:57:39 PM
Given the sensors, God only knows why they put the tyres there.. Hopefully this accident is the last time we see them.
There must be some reason. With the drivers sitting so low in the car, are the tyre bundles meant help with their vision of the chicane?
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/de-pasquale-disqualified-from-gold-coast-finale/
Why was Anton disqualified
Quote from: Trevor on October 30, 2022, 08:53:21 PM
Why was Anton disqualified
One tyre in his last pit stop was below the minimum pressure.
Quote from: Trevor on October 30, 2022, 08:53:21 PM
Why was Anton disqualified
read he had a tyre under pressured
"Van Gisbergen matched van Gisbergen's career wins tally of 56 earlier this year, but has since moved on to 75." - from https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/van-gisbergen-answers-mclaughlins-burnout-plea/
umm....
Quote from: GASMAN on October 30, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
Totally lopsided series that's placated to one team and one manufacturer and I'm glad I've not watched a lap of it
Honestly why would one bother.And you guys are quite delusional citing funds and saving the bucks for next year.Look at the results - they were a foregone conclusion three years ago
If you didn't watch the race, don't comment!
I just feel sorry for those super 2 teams that may have bought those chassis' for next year
Quote from: Joe5619 on October 31, 2022, 08:38:45 AM
Quote from: GASMAN on October 30, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
Totally lopsided series that's placated to one team and one manufacturer and I'm glad I've not watched a lap of it
Honestly why would one bother.And you guys are quite delusional citing funds and saving the bucks for next year.Look at the results - they were a foregone conclusion three years ago
If you didn't watch the race, don't comment!
You have one driver thats well above the rest!
Funny how when Scotty and Fabian were at the top most ford fans supported that.
Quote from: Troy01505 on October 31, 2022, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: Joe5619 on October 31, 2022, 08:38:45 AM
Quote from: GASMAN on October 30, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
Totally lopsided series that's placated to one team and one manufacturer and I'm glad I've not watched a lap of it
Honestly why would one bother.And you guys are quite delusional citing funds and saving the bucks for next year.Look at the results - they were a foregone conclusion three years ago
If you didn't watch the race, don't comment!
You have one driver thats well above the rest!
Funny how when Scotty and Fabian were at the top most ford fans supported that.
There was no daylight involved, well, not very often.
Scotty won (and to a much lesser extent, Fabian) after ding-dong battles against other teams whose equipment wasn't hobbled.
Sometimes your Subway is fresh and other times it's toasted...
Quote from: GASMAN on October 30, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
Totally lopsided series that's placated to one team and one manufacturer and I'm glad I've not watched a lap of it
Honestly why would one bother.
After I started watching regularly in 2011, why did I keep watching just to see Jamie win 4 championships in a row? Well, it's the characters of the sport that make it entertaining. Plus it's still interesting watching them race hard for 2nd place sometimes - although there are limits to that. By the time McLaughlin was working on his 3rd championship I wasn't so focused on his car either. I am curious to see how well Giz does with Gen3, but if he just keeps winning and winning I'll agree it's not great for the sport.
Couldn't even be bothered watching one lap - it is the 888 show AGAIN!!!!, I can't be bothered
Oh, my days at Bathurst are done too
Quote from: Trevor on November 01, 2022, 06:03:48 AM
Oh, my days at Bathurst are done too
I think we're all still drying out from that one.
Quote from: Troy01505 on October 31, 2022, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: Joe5619 on October 31, 2022, 08:38:45 AM
Quote from: GASMAN on October 30, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
Totally lopsided series that's placated to one team and one manufacturer and I'm glad I've not watched a lap of it
Honestly why would one bother.And you guys are quite delusional citing funds and saving the bucks for next year.Look at the results - they were a foregone conclusion three years ago
If you didn't watch the race, don't comment!
You have one driver thats well above the rest!
Funny how when Scotty and Fabian were at the top most ford fans supported that.
The howls from the red side were deafening. Funny how they now support a a run away leader in a car that has been given upgrades while the opposition was hobbled. :-*
Quote from: Trevor on November 01, 2022, 06:03:48 AM
Couldn't even be bothered watching one lap - it is the 888 show AGAIN!!!!, I can't be bothered
Oh, my days at Bathurst are done too
If one is not following Supercars, it seems superfluous to be joining discussion in a Supercars Forum. ??? ::)
It seems DJR,Walkinshaw and FPR are pretty close.The dominance is a van Gisbergen one rather than a car one.Very hard to fix without screwing over everyone else running that car.
Hard to see Gen 3 making much difference.It needs another McLaughlin to come along.
Quote from: Alan59 on November 01, 2022, 07:42:09 PM
It seems DJR,Walkinshaw and FPR are pretty close.The dominance is a van Gisbergen one rather than a car one.Very hard to fix without screwing over everyone else running that car.
Hard to see Gen 3 making much difference.It needs another McLaughlin to come along.
We did have a McLaughlin and they did screw over everyone else in a Mustang.
Time for success ballast?
Although it is not a Surfers topic"
I like it that there are a few drivers giving competition to a dominant driver.
With McLaughlan, we had SVG as primary competition.
With SVG, now, we have Davison as primary competition. I know he is not second in the championship, but no other driver has taken it to SVG like the old fella.
Davison has clearly been the cream of the DJR crop, when his car cooperates in the races as well as in qualifying.
Mostert has been the best with WAU, but clearly, he has no intrateam competition.
Waters is up there, but IMHO, this shows just how good the Tickford Mustangs are. This makes his teammates look sad by comparison. I wonder if Tickford is seriously looking at changing their second, third and fourth string drivers for 2023. Sponsorship money may be their saving grace. The change of Tickford ownership, may relegate the previous part owner's golden boy. Again IMHO. they should be looking at selling at least one REC (whatever they are called now) while there is big money about. They must be sick of running mid and back markers. Maybe they should be looking for the Best alternative and running 2 cars Super1 and 2 cars Super 2.
The same applies to BJR. They have three mid or back markers, but one backmarker has a Daddy paying the bills and another has a Daddy who owns the team.
The team to watch is Peter Xibberas'. He has the financial backing, Mangement ability, and a winning attitude and record as an Australian Champion Top Fueller Racer. He also has access to the absolute best Camaro machinery. Incidentally he owns at least five 2022 spec Commodores with a lot of history. He does have Slade for 2023, who is not really top class. Hopefully, he selects a really competent and competitive driver who can profit from Slade's experience.
Quote from: stevo qld on November 01, 2022, 06:07:25 PM
If one is not following Supercars, it seems superfluous to be joining discussion in a Supercars Forum. ??? ::)
I think it important that some people just mind their own business ;)
Look on the bright side, Trev. Bathurst is always a great weekend, regardless of the result and the weather - and you've seen some great Holden wins.
there is no bright side to a GM Opel win Zac
Quote from: murph_fan51 on November 01, 2022, 10:13:34 PM
Time for success ballast?
Wouldn't be surprised if the discussions reared their head. It works well in BTCC and has improved the racing there IMO.
They won't do anything for next season though as they'll need a season with the new cars to see where the dust settles.
The racing already has an artificial element that takes away passing on the track.
Ryan Story confirms as people have suggested above, there resources are stretched and main focus is on Gen 3:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/11/03/story-svg-dominance-different-if-mclaughlin-here/
Guess we can put the whole Triple 8 favouritism to bed once again.
Quote from: Troy01505 on November 03, 2022, 06:17:03 AM
Guess we can put the whole Triple 8 favouritism to bed once again.
not at all, they are the builders of the Gen III cars - how can you possibly say that?
Quote from: Ospif1 on November 02, 2022, 08:02:09 PM
Quote from: murph_fan51 on November 01, 2022, 10:13:34 PM
Time for success ballast?
Wouldn't be surprised if the discussions reared their head. It works well in BTCC and has improved the racing there IMO.
They won't do anything for next season though as they'll need a season with the new cars to see where the dust settles.
BTCC changed their racing formula for this year and got rid of success ballast.
"Gone is the old success ballast system of added weight, replaced by a sliding scale of what's known as Hybrid Energy Modulation (HEM). For qualifying from the second meeting, the top 10 in the championship will have fewer seconds of boost to play with, from zero per lap for the points leader to 13.5 seconds for the driver in 10th and 15 seconds for all those thereafter."
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-btcc/btcc-2022-lowdown-new-era-touring-cars
On a separate note, I still say get rid of the chicanes at the Gold Coast.
Quote from: Trevor on November 03, 2022, 07:26:28 AM
Quote from: Troy01505 on November 03, 2022, 06:17:03 AM
Guess we can put the whole Triple 8 favouritism to bed once again.
not at all, they are the builders of the Gen III cars - how can you possibly say that?
Are you saying DJR are not up to the task now Penske is gone?
do some homework on the Gen III cars will ya - look at who is building them
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on November 03, 2022, 11:57:22 PM
Quote from: Ospif1 on November 02, 2022, 08:02:09 PM
Quote from: murph_fan51 on November 01, 2022, 10:13:34 PM
Time for success ballast?
Wouldn't be surprised if the discussions reared their head. It works well in BTCC and has improved the racing there IMO.
They won't do anything for next season though as they'll need a season with the new cars to see where the dust settles.
BTCC changed their racing formula for this year and got rid of success ballast.
"Gone is the old success ballast system of added weight, replaced by a sliding scale of what's known as Hybrid Energy Modulation (HEM). For qualifying from the second meeting, the top 10 in the championship will have fewer seconds of boost to play with, from zero per lap for the points leader to 13.5 seconds for the driver in 10th and 15 seconds for all those thereafter."
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport-btcc/btcc-2022-lowdown-new-era-touring-cars
On a separate note, I still say get rid of the chicanes at the Gold Coast.
Although gone in BTCC, success ballast IS an option, Ospif1 & murph. It could always be tabled down the road.
Quote from: Trevor on November 04, 2022, 09:06:10 AM
do some homework on the Gen III cars will ya - look at who is building them
T8 have built the Camaro test car & DJR have built the Mustang test car. All teams are free to build their own cars (Team18 have recently announced they will be doing this), but teams will have to purchase their engines from the homoligated builder (KRE in the case of GM & Herrod in the case of Ford). Both T8 and DJR have had equal responsibility in regards to the "building" of the cars, so any favouritism to T8 will also be favouritism to DJR.
Opinions are one thing, but don't try and pass them off as facts.
Did that go the way you thought it would Trev?
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Quote from: Iggle Piggle on November 04, 2022, 09:39:34 PM
Did that go the way you thought it would Trev?
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Why are you taking a victory lap? You didn't do anything.
Quote from: Ospif1 on November 02, 2022, 08:02:09 PM
Quote from: murph_fan51 on November 01, 2022, 10:13:34 PM
Time for success ballast?
Wouldn't be surprised if the discussions reared their head. It works well in BTCC and has improved the racing there IMO.
They won't do anything for next season though as they'll need a season with the new cars to see where the dust settles.
You sure? The dust never stopped them before.
Golding to drive the Lowndes/Fraser wildcard car at Adelaide due to the crash:
https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/chassis-swap-locked-in-for-adelaide-500/?fbclid=IwAR2NtwwnycFYBCCocZImoaBq8qqoG01wqq5xjBS56AxYS5pVXVGRXAIjHBk
Quote from: AlbertM on November 06, 2022, 11:39:21 AM
Why are you taking a victory lap? You didn't do anything.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D