...and here it is:
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/2023-repco-supercars-championship-calendar-announced/
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No NZ track, which is a shame for those across the ditch. Plans to have one in 2024.
"No NZ track, which is a shame for those across the ditch. Plans to have one in 2024."
Pathetic they couldn't get one organised for NZ.
The rest of the calendar is pretty standard.
Let's hope they can get some decent supports too.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/more-sports/surprise-snub-from-supercars-calendar-in-new-era/ar-AA14r6mP?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=4068b57e70a4490e831c788cfd23301a
gotta agree Murph.
5 street circuits, 7 race circuits... it's almost like they don't want circuits to survive? :'(
no Winton or the Island... I'm a bit torn on Winton.. always good to go to and always well attended but it's a money loser for the track because SC doesn't back their own product...
having no love for street circuits and the waste of money involved in putting them on (as well as the additional damage that happens unnecessarily to the cars when incidents occur) doesn't fill me with love for the schedule....
having said that though, it means less weekends to have to put aside for catching up with mates and more weekends available to go to the car races :)
I notice that Channel 7 does not consider any track in Victoria in the top 6 and worthy of broadcast.
There is 2 in NSW, 2 in Qld, 1 in SA and one in NT.
https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/no-free-to-air-tv-for-sandown-500/
PS: I am surprised that Sandown has been allocated a round. I read that the Horsie, Horsie guys were tearing up part of the track for new stables. ::)
If having a light 2023 calendar helps the new owners find their feet or keeps costs down while teams are grappling with bringing in Gen3, I guess it kinda makes sense.
they have been trying for years to get Winton off the calendar. The upheavals going on at the track won't have helped
Winton doesn't fit in with the 'big event' thinking
Lindsay probably had enough of their shyte in relation to the Island and told them to bugger off
Quote from: Trevor on November 24, 2022, 07:07:45 AM
they have been trying for years to get Winton off the calendar. The upheavals going on at the track won't have helped
Winton doesn't fit in with the 'big event' thinking
Lindsay probably had enough of their shyte in relation to the Island and told them to bugger off
getting paid too much to go to Winton and not enough damage gets done to the cars to make it exciting perhaps?
Winton is personally no real loss to me. It's never been a track I enjoy though, just my opinion. Phillip Island should 100% be there though.
I would like to see QLD Raceway back on the Calander. Even though it can be seen as 'boring', it's always produced good racing.
Races are fairly evenly spaced out which is not a bad things if teams have large repairs to have to do.
I bit of a surprise that neither of the two tracks that are the traditional test venues are on the calendrer, however, to have one and not the other would lead to arguments no doubt.
Coincidence it comes out the day after RD slams Supercars for not having released it yet ?
A bigger worry is there are now 3 more permanent tracks off the calendar
Quote from: Trevor on November 24, 2022, 12:18:02 PM
A bigger worry is there are now 3 more permanent tracks off the calendar
I'll take a little more optimistic point of view, Trev. When Clipsal/Adelaide was on the ropes, SA looked like they were going to be iced out but then the series started racing at The Bend. Now with Adelaide back, we (we - I like to think of myself having a remote interest here) now have a permanent course in SA, and in the long run, have another race in SA on the calendar.
True, Pukey is gone, but Hampton Downs is just sitting there. Supercars just has to get their heads around that course. I am confident that they can do that - maybe in 2024? So there IS one NZ track in the wings.
All is not lost, mate. The glass is a little less full, but not that less. Keeping drinking up! ;)
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on November 24, 2022, 11:17:51 PM
Quote from: Trevor on November 24, 2022, 12:18:02 PM
A bigger worry is there are now 3 more permanent tracks off the calendar
I'll take a little more optimistic point of view, Trev. When Clipsal/Adelaide was on the ropes, SA looked like they were going to be iced out but then the series started racing at The Bend. Now with Adelaide back, we (we - I like to think of myself having a remote interest here) now have a permanent course in SA, and in the long run, have another race in SA on the calendar.
True, Pukey is gone, but Hampton Downs is just sitting there. Supercars just has to get their heads around that course. I am confident that they can do that - maybe in 2024? So there IS one NZ track in the wings.
All is not lost, mate. The glass is a little less full, but not that less. Keeping drinking up! ;)
A refreshing view, as always!
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on November 24, 2022, 11:17:51 PM
Quote from: Trevor on November 24, 2022, 12:18:02 PM
A bigger worry is there are now 3 more permanent tracks off the calendar
I'll take a little more optimistic point of view, Trev. When Clipsal/Adelaide was on the ropes, SA looked like they were going to be iced out but then the series started racing at The Bend. Now with Adelaide back, we (we - I like to think of myself having a remote interest here) now have a permanent course in SA, and in the long run, have another race in SA on the calendar.
True, Pukey is gone, but Hampton Downs is just sitting there. Supercars just has to get their heads around that course. I am confident that they can do that - maybe in 2024? So there IS one NZ track in the wings.
All is not lost, mate. The glass is a little less full, but not that less. Keeping drinking up! ;)
private enterprise stepped in to save South Aussie, Supercars couldn't give one shyte, until they NEED too.
Correct if I am wrong here Sonic, but how many times has Winton pulled them out of the sh!t? When China fell over, a couple of years ago during the pandemic? And one other that I can't remember, and this is how they are treated.
**** Supercars
Quote from: Trevor on November 25, 2022, 05:06:05 PM
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on November 24, 2022, 11:17:51 PM
Quote from: Trevor on November 24, 2022, 12:18:02 PM
A bigger worry is there are now 3 more permanent tracks off the calendar
I'll take a little more optimistic point of view, Trev. When Clipsal/Adelaide was on the ropes, SA looked like they were going to be iced out but then the series started racing at The Bend. Now with Adelaide back, we (we - I like to think of myself having a remote interest here) now have a permanent course in SA, and in the long run, have another race in SA on the calendar.
True, Pukey is gone, but Hampton Downs is just sitting there. Supercars just has to get their heads around that course. I am confident that they can do that - maybe in 2024? So there IS one NZ track in the wings.
All is not lost, mate. The glass is a little less full, but not that less. Keeping drinking up! ;)
private enterprise stepped in to save South Aussie, Supercars couldn't give one shyte, until they NEED too.
Correct if I am wrong here Sonic, but how many times has Winton pulled them out of the sh!t? When China fell over, a couple of years ago during the pandemic? And one other that I can't remember, and this is how they are treated.
**** Supercars
2 events that year? put on at short notice I think?
Winton is always good value and so easy to work with (in my opinion)... good folk there and they do their best to make it all happen.
I still do chuckle when folk complain about how small a track Winton is... but they love Sandown... (3km vs 3.1km... I guess that extra 100 metres at Sandown makes all the difference for some)
the sooner street tracks are dispatched the better... they are a curse on motorsport.
Quote from: Sonic on November 25, 2022, 07:07:32 PM
Quote from: Trevor on November 25, 2022, 05:06:05 PM
Quote from: mikeamerica84 on November 24, 2022, 11:17:51 PM
Quote from: Trevor on November 24, 2022, 12:18:02 PM
A bigger worry is there are now 3 more permanent tracks off the calendar
I'll take a little more optimistic point of view, Trev. When Clipsal/Adelaide was on the ropes, SA looked like they were going to be iced out but then the series started racing at The Bend. Now with Adelaide back, we (we - I like to think of myself having a remote interest here) now have a permanent course in SA, and in the long run, have another race in SA on the calendar.
True, Pukey is gone, but Hampton Downs is just sitting there. Supercars just has to get their heads around that course. I am confident that they can do that - maybe in 2024? So there IS one NZ track in the wings.
All is not lost, mate. The glass is a little less full, but not that less. Keeping drinking up! ;)
private enterprise stepped in to save South Aussie, Supercars couldn't give one shyte, until they NEED too.
Correct if I am wrong here Sonic, but how many times has Winton pulled them out of the sh!t? When China fell over, a couple of years ago during the pandemic? And one other that I can't remember, and this is how they are treated.
**** Supercars
2 events that year? put on at short notice I think?
Winton is always good value and so easy to work with (in my opinion)... good folk there and they do their best to make it all happen.
I still do chuckle when folk complain about how small a track Winton is... but they love Sandown... (3km vs 3.1km... I guess that extra 100 metres at Sandown makes all the difference for some)
the sooner street tracks are dispatched the better... they are a curse on motorsport.
I'm pretty sure Newcastle will be gone after next year which is the final event on the current contract.A lot of local resident opposition and highly likely to be a new state government who will want to differentiate themselves from the current governments largesse.
Of course Supercars want to replace it with Singapore as a F1 support.
Quote from: Sonic on November 25, 2022, 07:07:32 PM
2 events that year? put on at short notice I think?
Winton is always good value and so easy to work with (in my opinion)... good folk there and they do their best to make it all happen.
I still do chuckle when folk complain about how small a track Winton is... but they love Sandown... (3km vs 3.1km... I guess that extra 100 metres at Sandown makes all the difference for some)
the sooner street tracks are dispatched the better... they are a curse on motorsport.
I always laugh and the "small track" thing as well. Winton is longer than Tassie, Perth, Darwin and I think the same as NZ or longer, 100m shorter than Qld and Sandown
Quote from: Trevor on November 26, 2022, 05:16:07 AM
Quote from: Sonic on November 25, 2022, 07:07:32 PM
2 events that year? put on at short notice I think?
Winton is always good value and so easy to work with (in my opinion)... good folk there and they do their best to make it all happen.
I still do chuckle when folk complain about how small a track Winton is... but they love Sandown... (3km vs 3.1km... I guess that extra 100 metres at Sandown makes all the difference for some)
the sooner street tracks are dispatched the better... they are a curse on motorsport.
I always laugh and the "small track" thing as well. Winton is longer than Tassie, Perth, Darwin and I think the same as NZ or longer, 100m shorter than Qld and Sandown
The other often overlooked thing about Winton is that you can see almost the whole track from many vantage points, not something that can be said for any street circuit.
Add to that the camping facilities and in a location that is central to many decent sized rural cities.
I think the small track thing is a hangover from the old circuit and Dick Johnson's comment likening it to running a marathon around a clothesline.
Losing Winton is a blow and almost removes my fingernail grip on my continued support for Supercars.
If any one driver continues to have the domination that has been for the last few years then it is hard to see any future for my continued support.
The appeal of Indycar and Nascar is that on any race weekend so many drivers and teams are in with a shot at victory. F1 is an absolute joke with the domination that a single team has had the last decade, It is very hard to watch.
Dick's comment is not relevant today as it refers to the track BEFORE the 1 kilometre extension
It is just Supercars screwing over permanent tracks, coz they don't meet their holier than tho attitude
.
It will he to their detriment when the permanent tracks are needed again andc Suprrcars are told **** off
Disappointed about Winton and no NZ. Winton is a great track for drivers and fans and NZ has provided us with a few of the top 10 drivers of ATCC, V8 and Supercars eras
I'll continue with a little more upbeat banter, skaifey.
Lost in all of this thread is that Sandown is once again an Enduro round. That has to go into the "plus" column for reviewing the 2023 calendar.
Granted, Winton, PI, and QR not being there is a "minus", but if predictions hold true, and Newcastle is in its last year, one of those has to come back, maybe even with Hampton Downs. It has to be easier for Supercars to revive one of those than to seek out a new city/town/street layout for 2024. But maybe I am wrong. Asian money talks.
Quote from: Trevor on November 26, 2022, 09:43:44 AM
Dick's comment is not relevant today as it refers to the track BEFORE the 1 kilometre extension
which is why my comment said:
I think the small track thing is a
hangover from the old circuit and Dick Johnson's comment likening it to running a marathon around a clothesline.
And I think his comment is still relevant. The perception is of a small rural circuit, and Dickson comment, even though it was made many years ago, still sticks in peoples minds
Quote from: madbugger on November 27, 2022, 06:31:31 AM
Quote from: Trevor on November 26, 2022, 09:43:44 AM
Dick's comment is not relevant today as it refers to the track BEFORE the 1 kilometre extension
which is why my comment said:
I think the small track thing is a hangover from the old circuit and Dick Johnson's comment likening it to running a marathon around a clothesline.
And I think his comment is still relevant. The perception is of a small rural circuit, and Dickson comment, even though it was made many years ago, still sticks in peoples minds
Why is it a small circuit, because it it doesn't have long straights with some bendy bits at either end
Quote from: Trevor on November 27, 2022, 07:29:25 AM
Quote from: madbugger on November 27, 2022, 06:31:31 AM
Quote from: Trevor on November 26, 2022, 09:43:44 AM
Dick's comment is not relevant today as it refers to the track BEFORE the 1 kilometre extension
which is why my comment said:
I think the small track thing is a hangover from the old circuit and Dick Johnson's comment likening it to running a marathon around a clothesline.
And I think his comment is still relevant. The perception is of a small rural circuit, and Dickson comment, even though it was made many years ago, still sticks in peoples minds
Why is it a small circuit, because it it doesn't have long straights with some bendy bits at either end
I think it's more the vibe of the place as it's out in the country, as to why it seems small.
The lower speed due to the lack of a longer straight could make it feel smaller. But Winton throws up some interesting results sometimes as even the top teams find it hard to setup for. Hope it's back by 2024.
Quote from: CP on November 27, 2022, 09:39:53 AM
Quote from: Trevor on November 27, 2022, 07:29:25 AM
Quote from: madbugger on November 27, 2022, 06:31:31 AM
Quote from: Trevor on November 26, 2022, 09:43:44 AM
Dick's comment is not relevant today as it refers to the track BEFORE the 1 kilometre extension
which is why my comment said:
I think the small track thing is a hangover from the old circuit and Dick Johnson's comment likening it to running a marathon around a clothesline.
And I think his comment is still relevant. The perception is of a small rural circuit, and Dickson comment, even though it was made many years ago, still sticks in peoples minds
Why is it a small circuit, because it it doesn't have long straights with some bendy bits at either end
I think it's more the vibe of the place as it's out in the country, as to why it seems small.
the Bend is just as remote
There is still hope.
This is only a draft.
In fact, if you look at the Supercars website, you will find that they have yet to finalise the 2022 season, as it is still a draft. ::)
IMO, Winton, Queensland Raceway, and Tassie are always the most boring races. Even when the racing is good, its boring. Im not sad to see any of them go away.
Funny though, how Winton ALWAYS brings up unexpected winners, but I suppose that is bad for the sport ??? ::) :P
Quote from: Trevor on November 27, 2022, 12:40:15 PM
Funny though, how Winton ALWAYS brings up unexpected winners, but I suppose that is bad for the sport ??? ::) :P
You can't have underfunded teams or backmarker drivers showing up the elite now, can you? :) :) :)
Quote from: Trevor on November 27, 2022, 12:40:15 PM
Funny though, how Winton ALWAYS brings up unexpected winners, but I suppose that is bad for the sport ??? ::) :P
Which winner was unexpected this year?
Waters? Or SVG?
One year doesn't make history. Were you in long pants and out of primary school when a Nissan won there, just one example
Well you did write 'always' in all caps. Why not just say sometimes like I did?
Quote from: Bloopy on November 27, 2022, 10:32:28 AM
But Winton throws up some interesting results sometimes as even the top teams find it hard to setup for.
Quote from: Trevor on November 26, 2022, 09:51:03 AM
It is just Supercars screwing over permanent tracks, coz they don't meet their holier than tho attitude
.
It will he to their detriment when the permanent tracks are needed again andc Suprrcars are told **** off
I agree with sentiment but this has been said and written continuously since 1997.Yet 25 years later here we are and Supercars are still able to bleed state governments for money to run street races and even circuit owners who build state of the art circuits or who buy circuits and get them up to spec and are even team owners are either passed over or left hanging on an annual basis.
Quote from: Trevor on November 27, 2022, 01:43:47 PM
One year doesn't make history. Were you in long pants and out of primary school when a Nissan won there, just one example
You're claiming that was due to the track?
Queensland raceways the most boring track IMO. Not sorry to see street races ahead of that one. Hopefully Quinn turns it into something more interesting.
where else did Nissan win?
Quote from: djr18fan on November 27, 2022, 01:34:41 PM
Quote from: Trevor on November 27, 2022, 12:40:15 PM
Funny though, how Winton ALWAYS brings up unexpected winners, but I suppose that is bad for the sport ??? ::) :P
Which winner was unexpected this year?
Waters? Or SVG?
Any time that Waters wins is unexpected by me. :P
Quote from: Trevor on November 27, 2022, 06:13:39 PM
where else did Nissan win?
Hidden Valley. With the same fuel as everyone else.
So you find it unusual for Nissans to win,
Quote from: LG on November 27, 2022, 01:09:20 PM
Quote from: Trevor on November 27, 2022, 12:40:15 PM
Funny though, how Winton ALWAYS brings up unexpected winners, but I suppose that is bad for the sport ??? ::) :P
You can't have underfunded teams or backmarker drivers showing up the elite now, can you? :) :) :)
To be fair, Winton is often one of the rounds to cop an odd tyre rule which usually means different winners over the weekend.
Skaife hates Winton as he never won there in a (V8) Supercar, and he has a fair bit of pull with Supercars management
Quote from: Trevor on November 28, 2022, 04:51:11 PM
Skaife hates Winton as he never won there in a (V8) Supercar, and he has a fair bit of pull with Supercars management
I'm sure Mr Skaife would love to travel to as many all expenses paid rounds as possible ;D
but only places like The Bend, Bathurst, Adelaide, Newcaste & Townsville, particularly Newcastle and Townsville as he was instrumental in the design of the tracks
Looks like Perth (home round) is back to day time... personally relieved by that... I prefer to get there super early and be done by mid-arvo... night was actually a pain
They were catering to a east coast TV audience. These idiots stll don't understand that REAL fans show up at tracks. Most buy pay TV coz they can't get to every round.
They live in a deluded world, conned by Fox and advertisers dollars
Only 12 rounds to pair with brand new cars is an embarrassment for Supercars. I had some cause for optimism when the new owners took over, but so far they've not shown much to justify that optimism.