Looks like covid strikes again new date 4th to 7th November for the great race. Probably a good call but it will be HOT
And the best part of this announcement - Scotty should be available to race
Quote from: fordman on July 30, 2021, 08:13:34 AM
Looks like covid strikes again new date 4th to 7th November for the great race. Probably a good call but it will be HOT
9 to 25 degree average but with a high chance of rain, on average, and a lowish humidity.
25 degrees is not hot, let alone HOT.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/australia/bathurst/climate
Had a feeling it would move to the Speed Weekend... I guess my leave is already sorted 8).
Good moves by Supercars to ensure the best chance to have fans trackside.
And McLaughlin being able to drive will be good too, add some spice to the weekend. Do we know who he's driving with yet? I have a memory of Davo, but I'd be teaming him with de Pasquale.
Quote from: stevo qld on July 30, 2021, 08:23:27 AM
Quote from: fordman on July 30, 2021, 08:13:34 AM
Looks like covid strikes again new date 4th to 7th November for the great race. Probably a good call but it will be HOT
9 to 25 degree average but with a high chance of rain, on average, and a lowish humidity.
25 degrees is not hot, let alone HOT.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/australia/bathurst/climate
Too far out for any accurate weather prediction been going for 21 years straight even 25 can feel like 30 .
Good news if SM can race. Might give SVG some competition ?
Bloody hell, we have camp spots and tickets, I think the change will be OK for us
fantastic... same weekend as Historic Sandown :'(
Who really believes this will happen with spectators(maybe NSW residents who are not in lockdown). In the news today the NSW government said there could be rolling lockdowns into 2022. If this is the case no state will remove the red zone status of NSW until there are no more lockdowns, and even then there needs to be no community cases for for 4 weeks. The only way interstate visitors will be there are those who are wiling to pay for 2 weeks quarantine on their return.
One thing I have worked out is do not listen to negative predictions. It is a nightmare for anyone trying to run a national series atm be it footy Alf soccer etc . They would have to be sure they can get teams in and out of new to run a 2020 style event and Sydney would have be clear for that to happen as Bathurst is a bit close. Let's all hope it is over by then if not welllll no 2021 Bathurst?
perhaps if they did a state by state thing rather than bouncing between them it would be more workable for the series.
start in state A (serve any required time) and then go back home and repeat...
means some time away from home at times depending on where you are from but if the category works together it could almost be a rolling hub.
it is doable if they want to.
Revised 2021 Repco Supercars Championship calendar
Event Date
Repco Mt Panorama 500* February 26-28
Penrite Oil Sandown SuperSprint March 20-21
Beaurepaires Tasmania SuperSprint April 17-18
OTR SuperSprint May 8-9
Merlin Darwin Triple Crown June 18-20
NTI Townsville 500* July 9-11
WD-40 Townsville SuperSprint* July 17-18
Winton SuperSprint* October 2-3
TBA October 23-24
Repco Bathurst 1000* November 4-7
Beaurepaires Sydney SuperNight November 19-21
Boost Mobile Gold Coast 500* December 3-5
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/supercars-unveils-revised-2021-calendar/
2 years no Supercars in NZ...I was hoping to take my son, he was 2 weeks old when they were last here but didn't take him then.
At least they could move Bathurst. I remember going there in 1999 and it was hot (for us anyway).
Fourth time in the 24 year history of the event that it has been run in November, pretty good move.
I reckon they'll allow spectators, I doubt any will be from the greater Sydney area though
To minimise risk of border crossings, Winton/PI and Bathurst/SMP should be on back to back weekends.
Considering they must hit 12 rounds for the TV deal they aren't leaving much margin either before the end of the year.
Quote from: SetonFan on July 30, 2021, 11:01:46 PM
To minimise risk of border crossings, Winton/PI and Bathurst/SMP should be on back to back weekends.
Considering they must hit 12 rounds for the TV deal they aren't leaving much margin either before the end of the year.
Worse case scenario is running without fans, pretty sure this is currently being negotiated with state leaders.
Maybe they should just allow people in from Green zones as a way of knocking the heads together of Gvmts
Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2021, 06:13:46 AM
Maybe they should just allow people in from Green zones as a way of knocking the heads together of Gvmts
If NSW is still a red zone(which it will be) why would someone from a green zone want to go there as on their return to the green zone they would need to isolate at a quarantine hotel at their expense for 2 weeks.
Quote from: WarrenK on August 01, 2021, 10:41:12 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2021, 06:13:46 AM
Maybe they should just allow people in from Green zones as a way of knocking the heads together of Gvmts
If NSW is still a red zone(which it will be) why would someone from a green zone want to go there as on their return to the green zone they would need to isolate at a quarantine hotel at their expense for 2 weeks.
May only be NSW spectators only??? bit like last year?
Quote from: fordman on August 01, 2021, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: WarrenK on August 01, 2021, 10:41:12 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2021, 06:13:46 AM
Maybe they should just allow people in from Green zones as a way of knocking the heads together of Gvmts
If NSW is still a red zone(which it will be) why would someone from a green zone want to go there as on their return to the green zone they would need to isolate at a quarantine hotel at their expense for 2 weeks.
May only be NSW spectators only??? bit like last year?
the way it is going, it could be country NSW only, or even Country NSW plus interstate and greater Sydney banned.
But, Bathurst isn't all that far from greater Sydney if some idiot decides he wants a pie at Pit Stop Pies.
We may have shortages of one type of vaccine, but we have no shortage of selfish idiots. >:(
Quote from: stevo qld on August 01, 2021, 01:24:27 PM
Quote from: fordman on August 01, 2021, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: WarrenK on August 01, 2021, 10:41:12 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 01, 2021, 06:13:46 AM
Maybe they should just allow people in from Green zones as a way of knocking the heads together of Gvmts
If NSW is still a red zone(which it will be) why would someone from a green zone want to go there as on their return to the green zone they would need to isolate at a quarantine hotel at their expense for 2 weeks.
May only be NSW spectators only??? bit like last year?
the way it is going, it could be country NSW only, or even Country NSW plus interstate and greater Sydney banned.
But, Bathurst isn't all that far from greater Sydney if some idiot decides he wants a pie at Pit Stop Pies.
We may have shortages of one type of vaccine, but we have no shortage of selfish idiots. >:(
the key number is how many infectious in the community last three days has seen it DROP that,s good. plus reports of NSW reaching 70% vaccinated by mid Sept which if achieved will mean less lockdowns and vaccine passports allowing attendance at sporting events and alike, means by Nov race date LESS chance of it being effected by Covid.
I prefer to think positive rather than all the negative the media is spewing
Needed to push it back further than that if they want a crowd
Quote from: Wrighty05 on August 03, 2021, 10:56:13 PM
Needed to push it back further than that if they want a crowd
I hope not, but suspect they will have alternate plans in consideration. could be a move to December??? any later could be NO bathurst or 2 events in same year???
By Nov 3rd-4th NSW is on track to be 70% double vaccinated. Even if it's a 100% NSW crowd, it will have crowds in my opinion with very few restrictions on caps.
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 04, 2021, 03:08:46 PM
By Nov 3-4 NSW is on track to by 70% double vaccinated. Even if it's a 100% NSW crowd, it will have crowds in my opinion with very few restrictions on caps.
That's what I believe will happen.
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 04, 2021, 03:08:46 PM
By Nov 3rd-4th NSW is on track to be 70% double vaccinated. Even if it's a 100% NSW crowd, it will have crowds in my opinion with very few restrictions on caps.
won't happen, the Freedom Fighters will make sure of it
Quote from: Trevor on August 06, 2021, 06:31:40 AM
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 04, 2021, 03:08:46 PM
By Nov 3rd-4th NSW is on track to be 70% double vaccinated. Even if it's a 100% NSW crowd, it will have crowds in my opinion with very few restrictions on caps.
won't happen, the Freedom Fighters will make sure of it
freedom fighters will only make up the 10% who don't want it. I believe we will get the 70% and a incentive of a passport will convince those holding out to go and get it. Supercars will have to wait until I believe 1st Oct to make a call on Bathurst. If numbers look promising it will go ahaead, if not plan B.
Again I am looking positive if 200k a day getting the jab is kept up and NSW ploughs aahead as well we will get there [ Bathurst]
Quote from: Trevor on August 06, 2021, 06:31:40 AM
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 04, 2021, 03:08:46 PM
By Nov 3rd-4th NSW is on track to be 70% double vaccinated. Even if it's a 100% NSW crowd, it will have crowds in my opinion with very few restrictions on caps.
won't happen, the Freedom Fighters will make sure of it
They have their right to not vaccinate just like we have our right to vaccinate. We should be able to choose where and when we go places and the panic police are the reason we can't.
Bathurst without fans will be no different for me this year as I can't attend anyway but will be a shame to miss all the cheers over the top when CL clocks up his retirement victory
It doesn't matter how you look at NSW will be locked at of the rest of Australia to well after christmas unless they (and the rest of the states as well)can get up to 80% vaccination rates. Relistically that won't happen due to the number of people having their right not to vaccinate. The trouble is, do the interstate teams want to go to Bathurst? If they did, they then could travel freely to the next event in NSW. Now for every team to be able go to QLD for the last event it will be impossible. The transporters might be able to clear the borders with the right paperwork, but every member of every team will need to quarintine at a quarintine hotel for $3000 per week per person. Alot of money for the teams to fork out. Then onced quarintine is finished they can go to Surfers, but sadly to late as the race date was the previous weekend.
Quote from: WarrenK on August 07, 2021, 01:16:03 PM
It doesn't matter how you look at NSW will be locked at of the rest of Australia to well after christmas unless they (and the rest of the states as well)can get up to 80% vaccination rates. Relistically that won't happen due to the number of people having their right not to vaccinate. The trouble is, do the interstate teams want to go to Bathurst? If they did, they then could travel freely to the next event in NSW. Now for every team to be able go to QLD for the last event it will be impossible. The transporters might be able to clear the borders with the right paperwork, but every member of every team will need to quarintine at a quarintine hotel for $3000 per week per person. Alot of money for the teams to fork out. Then onced quarintine is finished they can go to Surfers, but sadly to late as the race date was the previous weekend.
If we keep up the 200k a day we have for the past month we will get there, those holding out do not number 5 million. Vaccine passports will come in and are already coming in, NSW workers [fully vaccinated CAN now work in Sydney LGA currently locked down. This will motivate those holding back for sure. the number thats critical is NOT the number of cases it the number of cases in the community before being diagnosed, its been hovering around the 50 mark for a few days if that FALLs thats good.
Bathurst is some time off yet, plenty can happen [ good or bad] given other states are having flair ups they too could force supercars hands as quarantining becomes a real issue. At the moment its not looking good but too early to go to plan B re-asses 1st Sept.
Quote from: fordman on August 07, 2021, 06:35:17 PM
the number thats critical is NOT the number of cases it the number of cases in the community before being diagnosed, its been hovering around the 50 mark for a few days if that FALLs thats good.
It's not 50. It's been over half the daily case numbers and climbing.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 07, 2021, 08:00:01 PM
Quote from: fordman on August 07, 2021, 06:35:17 PM
the number thats critical is NOT the number of cases it the number of cases in the community before being diagnosed, its been hovering around the 50 mark for a few days if that FALLs thats good.
It's not 50. It's been over half the daily case numbers and climbing.
Not sure what number you are looking at, the one I have which is broadcast everyday has been relatively stable, you maybe confusing those still to be determined rather than the ones that were in the community the whole time before being diagnosed? [ that is high] and given they must be found to be ok as they do not carry over into the next days numbers, if they were found to be out in the community they would carry them over as that is the number we want to drop.
Me thinks many of these were at the protest and didn't tell the contact tracers they were for fear of coping a fine? as the time line matches.
I think Supercars have until mid september to make a call on Bathurst.
NSW inexplicably separate cases that have been in the community the whole time while infectious and those that have been partially in the community while infectious. Either way they have been infectious in the community. Today that number was 176. Yesterday was 181.
and now it is spreading to the Regions - goodbye Bathurst 2021 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: Trevor on August 09, 2021, 04:58:34 AM
and now it is spreading to the Regions - goodbye Bathurst 2021 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
and those regions snapped into lockdown so still a chance, Vic looks worrying to for Supercars 11 cases not linked roaming the community.
gotta keep thinking positive too much doom and gloom.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 08, 2021, 11:23:36 PM
NSW inexplicably separate cases that have been in the community the whole time while infectious and those that have been partially in the community while infectious. Either way they have been infectious in the community. Today that number was 176. Yesterday was 181.
goes to show how numbers can be played with ie this delta whilst more contagious is no more deadly or harmful than the original covd.
Quote from: Trevor on August 09, 2021, 04:58:34 AM
and now it is spreading to the Regions - goodbye Bathurst 2021 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Can we not just have a closed door event? Ala F1 for their whole 2020 season.
If any race could survive off just TV views it would be this one.
Quote from: skaifeman on August 09, 2021, 09:01:50 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 09, 2021, 04:58:34 AM
and now it is spreading to the Regions - goodbye Bathurst 2021 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Can we not just have a closed door event? Ala F1 for their whole 2020 season.
If any race could survive off just TV views it would be this one.
Doubt it. Contracts would be in place, advertising space already sold. With no gate takings, no merchandise sales, food and drink sales to prop it up. They could still run it, but at a loss to all involved
If Covid breaks out, out west. there are the health concerns for all teams, support staff, track crews, administration...
Quote from: skaifeman on August 09, 2021, 09:01:50 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 09, 2021, 04:58:34 AM
and now it is spreading to the Regions - goodbye Bathurst 2021 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Can we not just have a closed door event? Ala F1 for their whole 2020 season.
If any race could survive off just TV views it would be this one.
they just had 4k spectators last year haven't heard how the dollars went for the event? zero or limited spectators $$ wouldn't be great.
But just listening to the NSW premier it seems signs of t getting out may have occurred, with Armidale, Tamworth in lockdown and now possibly Byron Bay with traces in the poo.
given the zero tolerance of the delta I suspect Baturst may again be changed or even canceled, but time is stll tere to be fixed.
Well at least regional Vict is coming out of lockdown at midnight tonight
Quote from: fordman on August 09, 2021, 11:05:21 AM
Quote from: skaifeman on August 09, 2021, 09:01:50 AM
Quote from: Trevor on August 09, 2021, 04:58:34 AM
and now it is spreading to the Regions - goodbye Bathurst 2021 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Can we not just have a closed door event? Ala F1 for their whole 2020 season.
If any race could survive off just TV views it would be this one.
they just had 4k spectators last year haven't heard how the dollars went for the event? zero or limited spectators $$ wouldn't be great.
But just listening to the NSW premier it seems signs of t getting out may have occurred, with Armidale, Tamworth in lockdown and now possibly Byron Bay with traces in the poo.
given the zero tolerance of the delta I suspect Baturst may again be changed or even canceled, but time is stll tere to be fixed.
Not sure how they can do it? even if all of the teams drive up to Bathurst 2 weeks prior and live entirely within the campgrounds as a quarantine area it still leaves us with the question of all of the associated people to run the events.
are SC going to pay ALL of their volunteers to come up to the hill for 2 weeks and look after all of their costs to run the event?
and what about support categories? there is no way the majority would be able to afford to take 2 weeks off to go up there (and what if there is another 2 weeks on return??)
sadly this is leaning more and more towards a cancel I think :(
Can't see them trying to shift it in with the ARG event (if they would even want them as they already have a full card anyway)
Listening to media reports today reporting NSW maybe looking to vaccinate its way out of lockdown asap. This maybe a workable strategy but I doubt it will favor the Bathurst event as it will take time, am hearing late Oct if vaccination rates are kept up. Even if achieved other states gauge their actions on the number of cases in the community when deciding border closures/openings, and if NSW are looking to accept regular small numbers, and small hospitalizations the borders may stay shut until the rest of the nation gets to the agreed 80% where border closures will cease. This could be later this year if current vax trends are kept up??
I believe Bathurst's fate is now sealed, ie no event in 2021, may have 2 in 2022??? dunno if good/bad???
This may change though IF there is a sudden drop in numbers and are kept down.
bloody covid >:(
Isn't it frustrating that Government action and inaction is mucking about society as whole
Quote from: fordman on August 10, 2021, 09:19:59 AM
Listening to media reports today reporting NSW maybe looking to vaccinate its way out of lockdown asap. This maybe a workable strategy but I doubt it will favor the Bathurst event as it will take time, am hearing late Oct if vaccination rates are kept up. Even if achieved other states gauge their actions on the number of cases in the community when deciding border closures/openings, and if NSW are looking to accept regular small numbers, and small hospitalizations the borders may stay shut until the rest of the nation gets to the agreed 80% where border closures will cease. This could be later this year if current vax trends are kept up??
I believe Bathurst's fate is now sealed, ie no event in 2021, may have 2 in 2022??? dunno if good/bad???
This may change though IF there is a sudden drop in numbers and are kept down.
bloody covid >:(
How long after having the 2 jabs are you magically invincible?
Even if NSW does the double jab to clear some attendees the bug ain't going anywhere.
We also have the issue of different states not accepting of other states way of doing things. Really need 1 unified approach but we need to get a Fed gov prepared to take the call first.
Quote from: Sonic on August 10, 2021, 11:36:10 AM
Quote from: fordman on August 10, 2021, 09:19:59 AM
Listening to media reports today reporting NSW maybe looking to vaccinate its way out of lockdown asap. This maybe a workable strategy but I doubt it will favor the Bathurst event as it will take time, am hearing late Oct if vaccination rates are kept up. Even if achieved other states gauge their actions on the number of cases in the community when deciding border closures/openings, and if NSW are looking to accept regular small numbers, and small hospitalizations the borders may stay shut until the rest of the nation gets to the agreed 80% where border closures will cease. This could be later this year if current vax trends are kept up??
I believe Bathurst's fate is now sealed, ie no event in 2021, may have 2 in 2022??? dunno if good/bad???
This may change though IF there is a sudden drop in numbers and are kept down.
bloody covid >:(
How long after having the 2 jabs are you magically invincible?
Even if NSW does the double jab to clear some attendees the bug ain't going anywhere.
We also have the issue of different states not accepting of other states way of doing things. Really need 1 unified approach but we need to get a Fed gov prepared to take the call first.
Am told 3 weeks after the 2nd jab you are vaccinated effectively.
the vaccine doesn't kill the virus in significantly reduce the chances of catching and transmitting it and MOST of all DIEING from it to nill, and going to hospital to a number similar to the current flu.
Fed Gov CANNOT tell the states what to do so they cannot make the call, however the last meeting of the states and feds they ALL agreed once we reach certain number restrictions will be removed I believe 80% when reached no more LOCKDOWNS etc. Covid from then on will be treated same as the common flu.
Current vaccine rate if maintained could easily see us at the 80% by xmas. we are doing 1 million every 5 days and already at 13 mill+ but we need 2 doses and there is a gap between doses.
hopefully 2022 will see some sort of normal Supercar calender, would like to see 2 bathursts if ths one is canned
Quote from: fordman on August 10, 2021, 12:31:25 PM
the vaccine doesn't kill the virus in significantly reduce the chances of catching and transmitting it and MOST of all DIEING from it to nill, and going to hospital to a number similar to the current flu.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-breakthrough-cases-cdc-says-more-than-4100-people-have-been-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html
bet those 4000 people wish you were right about not dying from it after being vaccinated...
diseases will always kill folk/make them sick, it is just a matter of what level is deemed to be 'acceptable'
based on your 3 weeks though for 'immunity' (which isn't) I don't know how they will meet their Bathurst deadline for a crowd.
Quote from: Sonic on August 10, 2021, 02:32:43 PM
Quote from: fordman on August 10, 2021, 12:31:25 PM
the vaccine doesn't kill the virus in significantly reduce the chances of catching and transmitting it and MOST of all DIEING from it to nill, and going to hospital to a number similar to the current flu.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-breakthrough-cases-cdc-says-more-than-4100-people-have-been-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html
bet those 4000 people wish you were right about not dying from it after being vaccinated...
diseases will always kill folk/make them sick, it is just a matter of what level is deemed to be 'acceptable'
based on your 3 weeks though for 'immunity' (which isn't) I don't know how they will meet their Bathurst deadline for a crowd.
would not trust your link when it says "roughly" and mixes two variabes how many DID die???? they cannot say, typical scare article to keep many scared. the common flu killed 300,000 in Europe 2018 alone.
we will just have to see what eventuates re Bathurst, it wont be your call nor mine but if its on I WILL BE THERE, went last year as well. If its not well I will be at the next one.
BTW just checked it is 3 weeks
Quote from: Sonic on August 10, 2021, 02:32:43 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-breakthrough-cases-cdc-says-more-than-4100-people-have-been-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html
bet those 4000 people wish you were right about not dying from it after being vaccinated...
diseases will always kill folk/make them sick, it is just a matter of what level is deemed to be 'acceptable'
based on your 3 weeks though for 'immunity' (which isn't) I don't know how they will meet their Bathurst deadline for a crowd.
You didn't even read the article you linked.
We don't need anymore flat earthers. We're having enough problems with reality than to worry about "alternate facts".
Quote from: AlbertM on August 10, 2021, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: Sonic on August 10, 2021, 02:32:43 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-breakthrough-cases-cdc-says-more-than-4100-people-have-been-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html
bet those 4000 people wish you were right about not dying from it after being vaccinated...
diseases will always kill folk/make them sick, it is just a matter of what level is deemed to be 'acceptable'
based on your 3 weeks though for 'immunity' (which isn't) I don't know how they will meet their Bathurst deadline for a crowd.
You didn't even read the article you linked.
We don't need anymore flat earthers. We're having enough problems with reality than to worry about "alternate facts".
I did... it is interesting that folk getting sick/dying is ok after vaccination and just scaremongering but apparently ok when the gov's do it to keep folk scared?
I'm not flat earther by any stretch, a little integrity is too much to ask for these days though sadly (from either side)
Quote from: Sonic on August 10, 2021, 03:25:32 PM
I did... it is interesting that folk getting sick/dying is ok after vaccination and just scaremongering but apparently ok when the gov's do it to keep folk scared?
I'm not flat earther by any stretch, a little integrity is too much to ask for these days though sadly (from either side)
Yeah integrity is misquoting, twisting the numbers in the article. Nobody said it's OK for people to die. You're not flat earther but you entertain conspiracy theories like the Government is only keeping people scared.
Well I think Bathurst should go ahead without spectators if necessary (I don't have an answer to the issue of marshalls etc) and we'll provide the spectators here: https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/bathurst-party-announced-for-new-zealand-fans/ (https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/bathurst-party-announced-for-new-zealand-fans/)
According to this map. Covid is spreading to the East, South and West of Bathurst.
There are also cases a bit further to the North.
Both the Bathurst 1000 and Attack events are increasingly looking in jeopardy.
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/map-shows-how-covid19-is-spreading-beyond-sydney-and-into-regional-nsw/news-story/34c6e59d202001ca3ba5e2eb1b6fa4ec
Quote from: stevo qld on August 10, 2021, 05:54:57 PM
According to this map. Covid is spreading to the East, South and West of Bathurst.
There are also cases a bit further to the North.
Both the Bathurst 1000 and Attack events are increasingly looking in jeopardy.
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/map-shows-how-covid19-is-spreading-beyond-sydney-and-into-regional-nsw/news-story/34c6e59d202001ca3ba5e2eb1b6fa4ec
via speedcafe even the 1000 is looking dodgy because they have not allowed the 2 weeks prior to the Challenge event...
so for the 1000 to run at all someone is going to have their contract altered at a minimum
Quote from: stevo qld on August 10, 2021, 05:54:57 PM
According to this map. Covid is spreading to the East, South and West of Bathurst.
There are also cases a bit further to the North.
Both the Bathurst 1000 and Attack events are increasingly looking in jeopardy.
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/map-shows-how-covid19-is-spreading-beyond-sydney-and-into-regional-nsw/news-story/34c6e59d202001ca3ba5e2eb1b6fa4ec
That map has Bathurst smack dab in a yellow zone of 1-9 cases.
Just spitballing here but an idea that may work???
With NSW already on track to reach its vaccination goal reported today if the current rate is kept up could be mid September? plus NSW allowing tradies back to work under the vaccine passport scheme, we could see the vaccine passport system allow the event to go ahead?
If Supercars can get all their teams and officials fully vaccinated they maybe able to apply to NSW to run the event under the passport scheme? and maybe with Vaccinated spectators? It will mean no need for the 2 week prior lockdowns?
Its quite clear vaccine passports will be playing a role in our future [ they did in our past history not that long ago] , many countries now wont allow anyone in unless vaccinated, will it extend down to sporting events music events etc etc, it has started at ths level in many countries.
it s possible if planning starts soon I believe.
or will they just say bugger it and cancel the whole thing?
I am fully vaccinated so I am in 8)
With covid, lockdowns, shut borders and this https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/08/10/challenge-bathurst-adamant-bathurst-1000-cannot-run-on-new-date/ I think it might end up in the too hard basket for the supercars.
Quote from: WarrenK on August 11, 2021, 09:49:45 AM
With covid, lockdowns, shut borders and this https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/08/10/challenge-bathurst-adamant-bathurst-1000-cannot-run-on-new-date/ I think it might end up in the too hard basket for the supercars.
and if covid ruins that event as well as they will have same covid problem as supercars have :o
the Bathurst council could still allow it as its unusual times, but given the propensity to not work together in these times sadly and work something out they seem to wantt o stick to selfish reasons INMHO >:(
Haven't had a proper read yet but seems Challenge has said 1000 is a definite no on the advertised date.... (from Speedcafe article)
And if I read the little I got right that SC did not get clearance from Bathurst Council for that weekend? Having a proper read soon to see what comes of this!
Fists are up and ready to duke it out it seems
And Adderton at it again:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/08/11/breaking-bathurst-council-confirms-no-agreement-for-new-1000-date/
Sometimes you hate him, sometimes you love him.
Quote from: skaifeman on August 11, 2021, 01:59:47 PM
And Adderton at it again:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/08/11/breaking-bathurst-council-confirms-no-agreement-for-new-1000-date/
Sometimes you hate him, sometimes you love him.
wouldn't it be better if the council tried to get both events???? rather than one??? doesn't make sense if they are the sticking point? miss out on double the income to the area???
Quote from: fordman on August 11, 2021, 02:03:11 PM
Quote from: skaifeman on August 11, 2021, 01:59:47 PM
And Adderton at it again:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/08/11/breaking-bathurst-council-confirms-no-agreement-for-new-1000-date/
Sometimes you hate him, sometimes you love him.
wouldn't it be better if the council tried to get both events???? rather than one??? doesn't make sense if they are the sticking point? miss out on double the income to the area???
wouldn't it be better for SC to get permission to run an event and cross t's and dot i's before announcing an event date?
if CB has a 2 week exclusion for track preparations and whatever else they do in that time frame why should they back down? you can be sure that SC wouldn't do it for anyone.
Quote from: fordman on August 11, 2021, 02:03:11 PM
Quote from: skaifeman on August 11, 2021, 01:59:47 PM
And Adderton at it again:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/08/11/breaking-bathurst-council-confirms-no-agreement-for-new-1000-date/
Sometimes you hate him, sometimes you love him.
wouldn't it be better if the council tried to get both events???? rather than one??? doesn't make sense if they are the sticking point? miss out on double the income to the area???
I read it as these rules are in place so the residents of Mt Panorama don't have too many major events close together.
Supercars have been bullying tracks for years. I remember one year at Winton the Austin 7 Club hold a HUGE historic event the last weekend of May every year and has done for over 40 years, I remember SC wanted that weekend so Winton had to move the Austin 7 club, there was a lot bullying that went on from SC - @PVDA, do you remember that?
Quote from: Sonic on August 11, 2021, 02:16:12 PM
Quote from: fordman on August 11, 2021, 02:03:11 PM
Quote from: skaifeman on August 11, 2021, 01:59:47 PM
And Adderton at it again:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/08/11/breaking-bathurst-council-confirms-no-agreement-for-new-1000-date/
Sometimes you hate him, sometimes you love him.
wouldn't it be better if the council tried to get both events???? rather than one??? doesn't make sense if they are the sticking point? miss out on double the income to the area???
wouldn't it be better for SC to get permission to run an event and cross t's and dot i's before announcing an event date?
if CB has a 2 week exclusion for track preparations and whatever else they do in that time frame why should they back down? you can be sure that SC wouldn't do it for anyone.
if they ran SC event there wouldn't need too much track prepto do? other than a clean up?
Perhaps an option could be to merge the 2? Think CB is a 3 day event? could it be stretched to 4 allowing for SC to come in and do their thing? Might be a bit late to try something like that though as everyone who has entered for CB would then have to try to arrange an extra day of accom etc.
Quote from: Sonic on August 11, 2021, 04:52:35 PM
Perhaps an option could be to merge the 2? Think CB is a 3 day event? could it be stretched to 4 allowing for SC to come in and do their thing? Might be a bit late to try something like that though as everyone who has entered for CB would then have to try to arrange an extra day of accom etc.
CB runs the Sprints on Thursday-Friday and the Regularity on Saturday-Sunday. They couldn't combine without shortening their sessions or moving days around.
Supercars said they can't run the previous weekend as it won't give teams enough time to prepare after Phillip Island, but could they run Phillip Island earlier? Assuming the current calendar goes ahead, there is a three-week gap between Winton and Phillip Island; surely that could be reduced to two or even one? What else is scheduled at the Island in October?
NSW is going to be in full lock come November anyway. Cases in Bathurst, Dubbo and Walgett. Newcastle is getting worse.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 11, 2021, 05:15:25 PM
NSW is going to be in full lock come November anyway. Cases in Bathurst, Dubbo and Walgett. Newcastle is getting worse.
NSW aiming for enough ppl vaxed to not lockdown and current rate it could well reach that level soon. The ultimate aim for Aust is to get to 80% and then live with the virus, as other countries are, NSW trying to get there first. NSW will get there, but will it be in time for the event? still time before a call is made though so sill a chance.
Not soon enough...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2021/aug/11/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-australia-vaccination-rate-progress-how-many-people-vaccinated-percent-tracker-australian-states-number-total-daily-live-data-stats-updates-news-schedule-tracking-chart-percentage-new-cases-today
I'm loving the fact that someone is telling Supercars to go pound sand and sticking to their guns. I hope they don't roll over and concede, Supercars have been bullying other events and organisers for years, it's time they understood that the universe does not revolve around them, and that they don't have the best package out there.
Hopefully the new owners (whoever they end up being) understands this and starts to work with other categories and organisations for the betterment of motorsport across Australia.
Quote from: madbugger on August 12, 2021, 07:34:56 AM
I'm loving the fact that someone is telling Supercars to go pound sand and sticking to their guns. I hope they don't roll over and concede, Supercars have been bullying other events and organisers for years, it's time they understood that the universe does not revolve around them, and that they don't have the best package out there.
Hopefully the new owners (whoever they end up being) understands this and starts to work with other categories and organisations for the betterment of motorsport across Australia.
Probably pointless as reports today we may not be out of lockdowns until Nov so BOTH events may not run :(
Quote from: Kytabu on August 11, 2021, 05:05:37 PM
Quote from: Sonic on August 11, 2021, 04:52:35 PM
Perhaps an option could be to merge the 2? Think CB is a 3 day event? could it be stretched to 4 allowing for SC to come in and do their thing? Might be a bit late to try something like that though as everyone who has entered for CB would then have to try to arrange an extra day of accom etc.
CB runs the Sprints on Thursday-Friday and the Regularity on Saturday-Sunday. They couldn't combine without shortening their sessions or moving days around.
Supercars said they can't run the previous weekend as it won't give teams enough time to prepare after Phillip Island, but could they run Phillip Island earlier? Assuming the current calendar goes ahead, there is a three-week gap between Winton and Phillip Island; surely that could be reduced to two or even one? What else is scheduled at the Island in October?
I don't have anything on my calendar for October at the Island... but likely stuff like club days would be on.
No reason SC couldn't make the Island an enduro event to make sure they get one in the season.
Quote from: madbugger on August 12, 2021, 07:34:56 AM
I'm loving the fact that someone is telling Supercars to go pound sand and sticking to their guns. I hope they don't roll over and concede, Supercars have been bullying other events and organisers for years, it's time they understood that the universe does not revolve around them, and that they don't have the best package out there.
Hopefully the new owners (whoever they end up being) understands this and starts to work with other categories and organisations for the betterment of motorsport across Australia.
Ma please... One is an event that no-one knows about & will be lucky to get a thousand people & the other is one of the biggest sporting events on the Australian calendar!
If the organisers of the Bathurst challenge used half a brain, they would work out a nice $ compensation from Supercar that would setup their event for years to come & more importantly could piggy back off the crowd from the Bathurst 1000 (if they have once) to their own advantage! This should be a win/ win for everyone!
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 12, 2021, 04:19:24 PM
Quote from: madbugger on August 12, 2021, 07:34:56 AM
I'm loving the fact that someone is telling Supercars to go pound sand and sticking to their guns. I hope they don't roll over and concede, Supercars have been bullying other events and organisers for years, it's time they understood that the universe does not revolve around them, and that they don't have the best package out there.
Hopefully the new owners (whoever they end up being) understands this and starts to work with other categories and organisations for the betterment of motorsport across Australia.
Ma please... One is an event that no-one knows about & will be lucky to get a thousand people & the other is one of the biggest sporting events on the Australian calendar!
If the organisers of the Bathurst challenge used half a brain, they would work out a nice $ compensation from Supercar that would setup their event for years to come & more importantly could piggy back off the crowd from the Bathurst 1000 (if they have once) to their own advantage! This should be a win/ win for everyone!
Or they could stand on their digs and send a message to the arrogant sons of bitches running Supercars, who tried to bully them into compromising their event, which the Bathurst Council also has contractual obligations to abide by.
If the management of Supercars had of approached them beforehand, rather than just announcing the date and expecting them to compromise their event because it's "Supercars" , they might have had a better result.
It's good the see the little guy sticking it up the Bully
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 12, 2021, 04:19:24 PM
Quote from: madbugger on August 12, 2021, 07:34:56 AM
I'm loving the fact that someone is telling Supercars to go pound sand and sticking to their guns. I hope they don't roll over and concede, Supercars have been bullying other events and organisers for years, it's time they understood that the universe does not revolve around them, and that they don't have the best package out there.
Hopefully the new owners (whoever they end up being) understands this and starts to work with other categories and organisations for the betterment of motorsport across Australia.
Ma please... One is an event that no-one knows about & will be lucky to get a thousand people & the other is one of the biggest sporting events on the Australian calendar!
If the organisers of the Bathurst challenge used half a brain, they would work out a nice $ compensation from Supercar that would setup their event for years to come & more importantly could piggy back off the crowd from the Bathurst 1000 (if they have once) to their own advantage! This should be a win/ win for everyone!
so because YOU don't know about the event those who know about it and have gone for years and made it what it is should bend over and "take one for the team"?
if SC ballsed up (I say 'if' because I know as much as anyone else here) and didn't make sure everything was 100% in order before announcing the date how does it fall on anyone other than SC management if it doesn't proceed?
Quote from: fordman on July 30, 2021, 08:13:34 AM
Looks like covid strikes again new date 4th to 7th November for the great race. Probably a good call but it will be HOT
I went back to the OP.
It appears as a rumour without any reference provided.
Did Supercars actually announce those dates????? It doesn't say.
Most of the comments are based on previous comments and not the OP.
Supercars is certainly copping a lot of flack but, in this case, do they deserve it???
Quote from: stevo qld on August 13, 2021, 12:21:28 AM
Quote from: fordman on July 30, 2021, 08:13:34 AM
Looks like covid strikes again new date 4th to 7th November for the great race. Probably a good call but it will be HOT
I went back to the OP.
It appears as a rumour without any reference provided.
Did Supercars actually announce those dates????? It doesn't say.
Most of the comments are based on previous comments and not the OP.
Supercars is certainly copping a lot of flack but, in this case, do they deserve it???
Well as the author or the post the info I went of was my e-mail from Ticketec telling me the event has been moved to those dates. Doubt Ticketec made the actual call eh, and given SC haven't actually denied the change and other outlets have reported on it.
The heat SC are copping [here anyway] seems to be about the clash of dates with the other event and contracts etc NOT about the date change or reason for it. Agree though if SC just went ahead without any consultation looks bad.
But point maybe mute if Covid stops BOTH events.
30th July from the SC website
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/supercars-unveils-revised-2021-calendar/
That's an out of date presumption as according to a report in our todays paper the sh#t fight is heading to mediation to try and come up with a resolution to allow the Bathurst race to go ahead on Nov 7.
The promotor of Bathurst Challenge, Greg Evans, holds a contract for both weekends. Seems he initially agreed to $100k compensation but then refused.
Government intervention now has all parties back to the table.
An agreement has been reached:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/08/13/confirmed-bathurst-1000-to-keep-november-date/
Covid still poses a large obstacle with the spread continuing out west and numbers not looking like they will go down any time soon.
Quote from: Kytabu on August 13, 2021, 04:38:55 PM
An agreement has been reached:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/08/13/confirmed-bathurst-1000-to-keep-november-date/
Covid still poses a large obstacle with the spread continuing out west and numbers not looking like they will go down any time soon.
good to see, but agree covid will play a role, I feel at the rate we are vaxing Bathurst maybe a month too early
Why is the focus on vaxinations and lockdowns. NSW will still be a red zone in November and Qld and Vic will still block movement out of NSW into these states without quarintining. What team will go to NSW knowingly well they will have to be in hotel quarintine(at $3000 per person for 2 weeks when they move to other states. Remember these teams are not football teams with all their privileges.
Quote from: WarrenK on August 13, 2021, 06:15:20 PM
Why is the focus on vaxinations and lockdowns. NSW will still be a red zone in November and Qld and Vic will still block movement out of NSW into these states without quarintining. What team will go to NSW knowingly well they will have to be in hotel quarintine(at $3000 per person for 2 weeks when they move to other states. Remember these teams are not football teams with all their privileges.
SC must hold up some hope otherwise they will make a call and move/cancel the event. if we get to 80% there wont be any red zones or lockdowns or Quarantining etc that's the ultimate aim, I feel we will get there soon but feel not soon enough for Bathurst.
Numbers look good for November but it will depend if there're large case numbers around despite vaccinations. We'll have better idea how the season pans out in 7 weeks. If SE Qld is still a red zone to Vic come Winton, teams will not be allowed in to Vic.
Quote from: fordman on August 13, 2021, 07:13:10 PM
Quote from: WarrenK on August 13, 2021, 06:15:20 PM
Why is the focus on vaxinations and lockdowns. NSW will still be a red zone in November and Qld and Vic will still block movement out of NSW into these states without quarintining. What team will go to NSW knowingly well they will have to be in hotel quarintine(at $3000 per person for 2 weeks when they move to other states. Remember these teams are not football teams with all their privileges.
SC must hold up some hope otherwise they will make a call and move/cancel the event. if we get to 80% there wont be any red zones or lockdowns or Quarantining etc that's the ultimate aim, I feel we will get there soon but feel not soon enough for Bathurst.
if they REALLY want to Bathurst 1000 can still go ahead easy enough at less cost than that. SC has the funds to bring a whole bunch of portable housing inside the campgrounds to be able to make life comfortable for the teams at a shared cost. all amenities are already there for hygiene etc.
they could drop it to a 3 day event with just the SC category running if it comes down to that choice so they can still run the event.
what will be harder though is that they would also have to supply/provide 2 weeks accom for all of the flaggies/service/administration/tv crews... and that is where the $$ figures are really going to start to rise.
Quote from: Sonic on August 14, 2021, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: fordman on August 13, 2021, 07:13:10 PM
Quote from: WarrenK on August 13, 2021, 06:15:20 PM
Why is the focus on vaxinations and lockdowns. NSW will still be a red zone in November and Qld and Vic will still block movement out of NSW into these states without quarintining. What team will go to NSW knowingly well they will have to be in hotel quarintine(at $3000 per person for 2 weeks when they move to other states. Remember these teams are not football teams with all their privileges.
SC must hold up some hope otherwise they will make a call and move/cancel the event. if we get to 80% there wont be any red zones or lockdowns or Quarantining etc that's the ultimate aim, I feel we will get there soon but feel not soon enough for Bathurst.
if they REALLY want to Bathurst 1000 can still go ahead easy enough at less cost than that. SC has the funds to bring a whole bunch of portable housing inside the campgrounds to be able to make life comfortable for the teams at a shared cost. all amenities are already there for hygiene etc.
they could drop it to a 3 day event with just the SC category running if it comes down to that choice so they can still run the event.
what will be harder though is that they would also have to supply/provide 2 weeks accom for all of the flaggies/service/administration/tv crews... and that is where the $$ figures are really going to start to rise.
still think a vaccine passport system could work for spectators, may only get NSW ppl but thats all they got last year.
Last years event wasn't all that bad really the no lunch break allowed more tarck time so there was something going on all day. Yep may struggle to get support classes, but they cobbled together a couple of classes last year. Might be a opportunity for some cars to get a rn that may not usually??? who cares if the classes are mixed as long as cars go around eh
I'm guessing about around 500 personnel minimum to pull off the 1000? Without support races, they could even pack the event into two days.
I have a feeling these 'passports' will only be for interstate travel/transport and not for large public events, if community cases are still high with 80% vaccination.
all of NSW locked down now - would have been better to do this 6 weeks ago - ahhh well
Quote from: Sonic on August 14, 2021, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: fordman on August 13, 2021, 07:13:10 PM
Quote from: WarrenK on August 13, 2021, 06:15:20 PM
Why is the focus on vaxinations and lockdowns. NSW will still be a red zone in November and Qld and Vic will still block movement out of NSW into these states without quarintining. What team will go to NSW knowingly well they will have to be in hotel quarintine(at $3000 per person for 2 weeks when they move to other states. Remember these teams are not football teams with all their privileges.
SC must hold up some hope otherwise they will make a call and move/cancel the event. if we get to 80% there wont be any red zones or lockdowns or Quarantining etc that's the ultimate aim, I feel we will get there soon but feel not soon enough for Bathurst.
if they REALLY want to Bathurst 1000 can still go ahead easy enough at less cost than that. SC has the funds to bring a whole bunch of portable housing inside the campgrounds to be able to make life comfortable for the teams at a shared cost. all amenities are already there for hygiene etc.
they could drop it to a 3 day event with just the SC category running if it comes down to that choice so they can still run the event.
what will be harder though is that they would also have to supply/provide 2 weeks accom for all of the flaggies/service/administration/tv crews... and that is where the $$ figures are really going to start to rise.
My suggestion back on page 3.
If there's one event on the calendar that can get away with being TV only, it's Bathurst.
Tough on all interstate personnel, 2 weeks in NSW, then 2 weeks at their respective home state.
They will only need to isolate for 14 days in NSW if QLD and VIC are still "areas of concern" in November. If those states are still battling local cases by then, you can bet the race won't go ahead.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 14, 2021, 08:22:28 PM
I'm guessing about around 500 personnel minimum to pull off the 1000? Without support races, they could even pack the event into two days.
I have a feeling these 'passports' will only be for interstate travel/transport and not for large public events, if community cases are still high with 80% vaccination.
By then I feel the passports could be used more and more, NSW tradies in Sydney can go back to work if vaccinated during a lockdown. No reason why a sporting event or music event or such could make it a requirement to attend? given by then if vax rates are kept up [ and they looking like doing so] we could be well above 70% even the magic 80%.
The theory of the 80% is we can treat it like the flu, we don't lockdown for the flu. if we go past 80% and state still lockdown there will be a riot. There must be some benefit to being vaccinated.
With some planning SC could run a passport system.
70% won't be reached until after the November date. The Feds are reluctant to introduce a passport system. Supercars will weigh up the cost V's return checking people's vax status. The race is in 3 months.
So much has gone wrong in the last 2 months, I don't think Bathurst is a high priority for those outside motorsport circles.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 15, 2021, 09:36:36 AM
70% won't be reached until after the November date. The Feds are reluctant to introduce a passport system. Supercars will weigh up the cost V's return checking people's vax status. The race is in 3 months.
So much has gone wrong in the last 2 months, I don't think Bathurst is a high priority for those outside motorsport circles.
Feds WANT a passport system they have endorsed WA plan to require NSW residents to provide proof [ passport] NSW already have started via the tradies.
Like the no jab no work problem going on where there is debate over who can do it fed state or business etc. same here who can make it a requirement to be vaxed to attend, pretty hard for a gov state or fed to stop really a organizer of an event making a passport a requirement, in effect saying Aussies you are vaccinated but you cannot enjoy the benefit of being so.
I suspect organizers of anything will look favorable on this as a means of getting back to business.
PM is just announcing 1 million more Pfizer 500k going direct to NSW sydney area this week, so ANYTHING could happen in the next 80 days [ 80 x 220k/day =17.6 million injections]
there is still hope ;D
PM also said today there is no policy on vaccine passports.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 15, 2021, 10:44:26 AM
PM also said today there is no policy on vaccine passports.
yet he endorses WA plan, its being used elsewhere in the world to go sporting events etc ie Wimbledon tennis. It doesn't worry me we have had them before. It may well be a thing that no gov can control?? A sporting event requires you to buy a ticket they can require their spectators to be vaccinated??? like the no jab no work question no one really knows who makes the call on it.
The Bathurst shift - as in the title of the thread - is run and won.
Unless it changes of course... ;D ;D
Maybe now we can keep all the Covid conversations for the actual Covid thread.
It gets boring opening up every thread to see the same thing all the time.
Quote from: LG on August 15, 2021, 02:01:07 PM
The Bathurst shift - as in the title of the thread - is run and won.
Unless it changes of course... ;D ;D
Maybe now we can keep all the Covid conversations for the actual Covid thread.
It gets boring opening up every thread to see the same thing all the time.
apologies was unaware of a covid thread :-[
Won't be a crowd if it stays at its current date. Maybe 2 weeks after GC?
Quote from: Wrighty05 on August 16, 2021, 07:24:34 AM
Won't be a crowd if it stays at its current date. Maybe 2 weeks after GC?
trying to think positive but its a struggle, I hope SC have a plan B [probably do]
Quote from: fordman on August 17, 2021, 07:16:10 AM
I hope SC have a plan B [probably do]
Plan B - Cancellation :'(
Quote from: WarrenK on August 17, 2021, 10:14:59 AM
Quote from: fordman on August 17, 2021, 07:16:10 AM
I hope SC have a plan B [probably do]
Plan B - Cancellation :'(
or postponement? [ 2 x 2022]?
either way 2021 doesn't look good
What a disaster!!!
it's not just Bathurst, how the **** are they going to get the rest of the calendar away?
S.A., W.A. & Tas
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 18, 2021, 02:26:47 PM
What a disaster!!!
it's not just Bathurst, how the **** are they going to get the rest of the calendar away?
3 tracks in Vic,
sprint at Winton, 500k at Sandown and 1000k at the Island.
then if they want they can do a double somewhere else to wind out the season... maybe 2 tracks at SMP?.
Quote from: Sonic on August 18, 2021, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 18, 2021, 02:26:47 PM
What a disaster!!!
it's not just Bathurst, how the **** are they going to get the rest of the calendar away?
3 tracks in Vic,
sprint at Winton, 500k at Sandown and 1000k at the Island.
then if they want they can do a double somewhere else to wind out the season... maybe 2 tracks at SMP?.
Vic still has mystery cases everyday, its bubbling along, nothing is guaranteed even VFL is contemplating semis and Grand final changes.
Quote from: Trevor on August 18, 2021, 03:15:01 PM
S.A., W.A. & Tas
You can take WA out of that with Captain Lockdown needing to feed his ego.
Quote from: fordman on August 18, 2021, 04:35:28 PM
Quote from: Sonic on August 18, 2021, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 18, 2021, 02:26:47 PM
What a disaster!!!
it's not just Bathurst, how the **** are they going to get the rest of the calendar away?
3 tracks in Vic,
sprint at Winton, 500k at Sandown and 1000k at the Island.
then if they want they can do a double somewhere else to wind out the season... maybe 2 tracks at SMP?.
Vic still has mystery cases everyday, its bubbling along, nothing is guaranteed even VFL is contemplating semis and Grand final changes.
agreed not a perfect solution but staying in one state means they can run some sort of closed show
With states pulling the trigger on lockdowns on the slightest hint of a case, I am not sure what SC can do other than plan to change things at a moments notice.
Geez I would hate to be all these sports Admin ATM trying to run things in such conditions.
Quote from: fordman on August 19, 2021, 05:48:54 AM
With states pulling the trigger on lockdowns on the slightest hint of a case, I am not sure what SC can do other than plan to change things at a moments notice.
Geez I would hate to be all these sports Admin ATM trying to run things in such conditions.
and how much money they are all losing! not just gate takings from closed events but from all the work they have put in over the last 18 months just trying to run events that get cancelled at a moments notice.
Quote from: Sonic on August 18, 2021, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 18, 2021, 02:26:47 PM
What a disaster!!!
it's not just Bathurst, how the **** are they going to get the rest of the calendar away?
3 tracks in Vic,
sprint at Winton, 500k at Sandown and 1000k at the Island.
then if they want they can do a double somewhere else to wind out the season... maybe 2 tracks at SMP?.
Victoria? They are on the same track as NSW, just a few stations behind!
Quote from: Sonic on August 19, 2021, 08:36:20 AM
Quote from: fordman on August 19, 2021, 05:48:54 AM
With states pulling the trigger on lockdowns on the slightest hint of a case, I am not sure what SC can do other than plan to change things at a moments notice.
Geez I would hate to be all these sports Admin ATM trying to run things in such conditions.
and how much money they are all losing! not just gate takings from closed events but from all the work they have put in over the last 18 months just trying to run events that get cancelled at a moments notice.
Maybe stop all the bleeding and stop now and wait until 2022 when vaccines hit 80% and things change???? but they may see contracts breached and more bleeding can't win eh
Not looking good as I see in this mornings press reports that there are now COVID cases in Bathurst !!!!
NSW won't have any issue holding a spectator free race. (Right now they wouldn't care even if spectators did attend).
It'll be up to the teams and restrictions in their home states that will determine how the races pans out.
(Sorry LG. :-[ This mentions Covid but only because it relates to the Bathurst race meeting.)(As I pointed out in the specific Covid 19 thread, Bathurst is now considered an Indigenous/Aboriginal Town on the major concern list.)Even without spectators, Bathurst would still require many hundreds of support workers official duties and it is surely an event that cannot function with the sometimes applied minimal crew numbers, so that would require a lot of people.
Other October sporting and motorsport events have been cancelled for October.
With the escalation of Covid cases in NSW, any races in NSW 2021 are looking less likely.
QuotePremier Gladys Berejiklian says NSW is "learning to live" with the Delta strain as she confirmed 681 new COVID-19 cases, the highest number the state has recorded in a day.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-19/nsw-records-681-covid-cases-another-death/100389146
https://autoaction.com.au/2021/08/18/world-time-attack-challenge-postponed-until-2022
Only way I see it happening now with spectators is via the vaccine passport system, but I feel whilst we are heading this way to get to any event, Bathurst date maybe too close, maybe a Dec date could work if passport system proves ok in other areas? if not willing to try this way sadly I see no spectators and maybe no event this year. :(
Reading Alex Premat is coming over and has a travel exemption for the event, that tells me they are still aiming at running the event in Nov, with or without spectators.
Quote from: fordman on August 22, 2021, 05:35:01 PM
Reading Alex Premat is coming over and has a travel exemption for the event, that tells me they are still aiming at running the event in Nov, with or without spectators.
and this right here is one good example of why the anti-vax/anti-lockdown folk get so riled up... they can't travel 5km to see family but bring a bloke halfway around the world for a car race...
Got enough money, you can do anything.
Quote from: Sonic on August 22, 2021, 06:05:54 PM
Quote from: fordman on August 22, 2021, 05:35:01 PM
Reading Alex Premat is coming over and has a travel exemption for the event, that tells me they are still aiming at running the event in Nov, with or without spectators.
and this right here is one good example of why the anti-vax/anti-lockdown folk get so riled up... they can't travel 5km to see family but bring a bloke halfway around the world for a car race...
Spot on, eliminate co-drivers and do a 2 day event in the same fashion as the early Adelaide 500 days. Parc ferme at the completion of Saturday's race and finishing position used for Sunday grid positions.
A single file rolling start for the 2nd leg would be better. Cars get one screaming lap exiting the pits. One lap behind the safety car then let loose.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 23, 2021, 10:25:19 AM
A single file rolling start for the 2nd leg would be better. Cars get one screaming lap exiting the pits. One lap behind the safety car then let loose.
I'd be happy with that.
Quote from: Sonic on August 22, 2021, 06:05:54 PM
Quote from: fordman on August 22, 2021, 05:35:01 PM
Reading Alex Premat is coming over and has a travel exemption for the event, that tells me they are still aiming at running the event in Nov, with or without spectators.
and this right here is one good example of why the anti-vax/anti-lockdown folk get so riled up... they can't travel 5km to see family but bring a bloke halfway around the world for a car race...
You can't visit family, but you can travel as far as you want for work under the current rules as long as it's a job you can't do from home. Pretty difficult to drive a race car from home.
Quote from: abhibeckert on August 25, 2021, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: Sonic on August 22, 2021, 06:05:54 PM
Quote from: fordman on August 22, 2021, 05:35:01 PM
Reading Alex Premat is coming over and has a travel exemption for the event, that tells me they are still aiming at running the event in Nov, with or without spectators.
and this right here is one good example of why the anti-vax/anti-lockdown folk get so riled up... they can't travel 5km to see family but bring a bloke halfway around the world for a car race...
You can't visit family, but you can travel as far as you want for work under the current rules as long as it's a job you can't do from home. Pretty difficult to drive a race car from home.
I think you are wrong about the travel restrictions.
While we are at it, Tickford seem to be going to extraordinary lengths to import a former or almost former racing driver.
Is Alex Premat really better than some available drivers here in Australia with recent relevant driving experience in this type of car.
Maybe Tickford could save money by employing one of their former drivers with money to spare to buy a drive. She could even pose for an annual Truck Assist Calendar. The Truck Assist car should be well back in the field considering it's main driver, so they may as well get truckies drooling. ;D ::) 8)
Quote from: abhibeckert on August 25, 2021, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: Sonic on August 22, 2021, 06:05:54 PM
Quote from: fordman on August 22, 2021, 05:35:01 PM
Reading Alex Premat is coming over and has a travel exemption for the event, that tells me they are still aiming at running the event in Nov, with or without spectators.
and this right here is one good example of why the anti-vax/anti-lockdown folk get so riled up... they can't travel 5km to see family but bring a bloke halfway around the world for a car race...
You can't visit family, but you can travel as far as you want for work under the current rules as long as it's a job you can't do from home. Pretty difficult to drive a race car from home.
As noted below though, why bother importing a driver? We have more than enough talent in the Aussie pool. Prob getting away from the 'shift' though talking about the drivers?
https://wwos.nine.com.au/motorsport/supercars-bathurst-1000-tickford-racing-boss-tim-edwards-determined-race-goes-ahead-exclusive/43b14761-65fe-4f3f-a4eb-99a09b426d89
It is not looking good for Bathurst this year if this is correct:
QuoteNew research shows that under the current settings, daily COVID-19 case numbers will continue to climb and could peak between 1,500 and 6,000 a day by early October.
Key points:
Modelling shows the outbreak will not peak for another six weeks
Cases could surge to 40,000 a day if the lockdown is abruptly lifted
In the month following, half a million people could become infected
The University of Sydney has used complex modelling to forecast the trajectory of the latest outbreak, factoring in the high infectiousness of the Delta variant, current lockdown settings and the progress of the vaccine rollout.
Using data available up until August 25, it found that if restrictions were fully lifted when 80 per cent of adults were vaccinated, infections could surge to 40,000 cases a day.
The modelling showed that in the following month, half a million people could become infected with the virus, even with continued testing, tracing, isolation, quarantine and international travel restrictions.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/covid-peak-in-nsw-still-six-weeks-away-modelling-shows/100411220
Quote from: stevo qld on August 26, 2021, 10:53:16 PM
It is not looking good for Bathurst this year if this is correct:
QuoteNew research shows that under the current settings, daily COVID-19 case numbers will continue to climb and could peak between 1,500 and 6,000 a day by early October.
Key points:
Modelling shows the outbreak will not peak for another six weeks
Cases could surge to 40,000 a day if the lockdown is abruptly lifted
In the month following, half a million people could become infected
The University of Sydney has used complex modelling to forecast the trajectory of the latest outbreak, factoring in the high infectiousness of the Delta variant, current lockdown settings and the progress of the vaccine rollout.
Using data available up until August 25, it found that if restrictions were fully lifted when 80 per cent of adults were vaccinated, infections could surge to 40,000 cases a day.
The modelling showed that in the following month, half a million people could become infected with the virus, even with continued testing, tracing, isolation, quarantine and international travel restrictions.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/covid-peak-in-nsw-still-six-weeks-away-modelling-shows/100411220
Is this the same "
modelling" that showed 25000 Aussies dead by Anzac Day last year????
With so many "reports" and "modelling" doing the rounds it must be frustrating for any sporting body to predict or plan for events in the next 6 months.
Listening to the NSW Premiers plans for what happens when 70% Vax is reached it provides SC some sort of hope that A] the event could go ahead & B] possibly with spectators :o
What did she say?
She warned and advised business to prepare for operations utilizing the vaccine passport system. Advising they are working on a APP linked to the QR code that will advise vaccination status. She included in her statement sporting events and concerts could also make use of this.
It s planned to reach the magic 70% by Mid Oct. so if SC are ready it could work or if time is an issue move it back to Dec?
Seems there maybe hope for SC to run the event near capacity?
I still live in hope ;D
'Modelling' suggests NSW will peak at over 2000 - 4000 new cases per day before things start to settle
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/08/27/supercars-discussing-december-date-for-bathurst-1000/
And now talk of December
Quote from: Sonic on August 27, 2021, 11:32:56 AM
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/08/27/supercars-discussing-december-date-for-bathurst-1000/
And now talk of December
Thats logical give as much time as possible for the vax numers to get up = more spectator ;D
Quote from: fordman on August 27, 2021, 05:50:43 AM
Quote from: stevo qld on August 26, 2021, 10:53:16 PM
It is not looking good for Bathurst this year if this is correct:
QuoteNew research shows that under the current settings, daily COVID-19 case numbers will continue to climb and could peak between 1,500 and 6,000 a day by early October.
Key points:
Modelling shows the outbreak will not peak for another six weeks
Cases could surge to 40,000 a day if the lockdown is abruptly lifted
In the month following, half a million people could become infected
The University of Sydney has used complex modelling to forecast the trajectory of the latest outbreak, factoring in the high infectiousness of the Delta variant, current lockdown settings and the progress of the vaccine rollout.
Using data available up until August 25, it found that if restrictions were fully lifted when 80 per cent of adults were vaccinated, infections could surge to 40,000 cases a day.
The modelling showed that in the following month, half a million people could become infected with the virus, even with continued testing, tracing, isolation, quarantine and international travel restrictions.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/covid-peak-in-nsw-still-six-weeks-away-modelling-shows/100411220
Is this the same "modelling" that showed 25000 Aussies dead by Anzac Day last year????
Not a dig at you, but those doing the modelling.. Where do these morons come up with these "modelling"? When we get to 80% double jab, open the country back up for FFS.
If they delay the race to December, NSW will have very very high levels of vacation.. Capacity crowd here we come!! And sorry WA & QLD your governments want you locked in a bubble for ever so "no race for you"!!
That modelling is based on worst case scenario, basically a 3rd world country with a population that has weak immune systems and **** all healthcare available for them. Of Covid hit one of our traditional First Nation communities it would wipe them totally out.
As for Bathurst shift I think December will be good and add to the spectacle. It'll be hot and driver fatigue will come into it in the later stages of the race, a dark horse will win
Was thinking the same, the heat will sort the wheat from the chaff. But it will be again, the well funded, the ones that have the best physical training programs that will come out on top.
That worst case scenario is being played out in Far West NSW. 80% is not a magic number. If case number are still high Millions of Aussies will still be at risk including a portion of the vaccinated.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 28, 2021, 09:56:44 AM
Was thinking the same, the heat will sort the wheat from the chaff. But it will be again, the well funded, the ones that have the best physical training programs that will come out on top.
That worst case scenario is being played out in Far West NSW. 80% is not a magic number. If case number are still high Millions of Aussies will still be at risk including a portion of the vaccinated.
At 80% case numbers wont be the issue its the hospitalizations # that will be the focus. Plenty of evidence to show vaccinations are working even in NSW numbers of under 40's are highly represented in the case numbers as they are unvaccinated whereas the over 70s who are nearly 80% are bugger all because they ARE vaccinated. Theory being at 80% for all we will/should see same vases and even LES going to hospital.
I do hope SC do move to DEC it will give them more time to asses the situation and plan for a possible vax passport event.
At 80% of 16+ leaves several million people unprotected. Without restrictions, hospitalisations will go up. Even the vaccinated can pass on the virus. If case number are still high at the time of the race, Bathurst will be a super duper spreader event.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 28, 2021, 01:13:09 PM
At 80% of 16+ leaves several million people unprotected. Without restrictions, hospitalisations will go up. Even the vaccinated can pass on the virus. If case number are still high at the time of the race, Bathurst will be a super duper spreader event.
Vaccinated people's capability to catch and pass is greatly reduced and hospitalizations are accordingly reduced . children whilst can catch the virus do not suffer from it as much so reports state rare hospitalizations etc. 12-15 are now planning to be vaccinated.
If Bathurst is moved back to Dec that's 3 months for the numbers to come down and as I said above NSW will look at the cases in hospital NOT the cases themselves IF they are ok and within the Doherty report's guidelines I suspect it will be ok it may also mean that vaccinated spectators may only come from those states that have borders open to those who are fully Vaccinated. QLD and WA are making noises along the lines of keeping shutdown so none from there may come???
I suspect SC will be looking at ALL things to get the event happening with spectators otherwise they would give up now and say something. There is still time before a final call is made and therfore hope is alve. ;D
Quote from: AlbertM on August 28, 2021, 01:13:09 PM
At 80% of 16+ leaves several million people unprotected. Without restrictions, hospitalisations will go up. Even the vaccinated can pass on the virus. If case number are still high at the time of the race, Bathurst will be a super duper spreader event.
We can't live in a bubble forever!!
NSW is 13 days away from 1st jab at 80% level, by the time this gets 2nd jab to the level of 80%, the other 20% (+12-15) should have had their first jab by this stage (if they want it). If people don't want the jab, that's fine, leave them behind & lets get on with life.
Anyway, bring on Bathurst & hopefully with a packed crowd.
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 28, 2021, 02:56:30 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on August 28, 2021, 01:13:09 PM
At 80% of 16+ leaves several million people unprotected. Without restrictions, hospitalisations will go up. Even the vaccinated can pass on the virus. If case number are still high at the time of the race, Bathurst will be a super duper spreader event.
We can't live in a bubble forever!!
NSW is 13 days away from 1st jab at 80% level, by the time this gets 2nd jab to the level of 80%, the other 20% (+12-15) should have had their first jab by this stage (if they want it). If people don't want the jab, that's fine, leave them behind & lets get on with life.
Anyway, bring on Bathurst & hopefully with a packed crowd.
I am with you Joe 8) ;D
So the lastest date is early December. Everyone with rose coloured glasses are saying NSW lockdowns will be finished and sports events can have increased capacity with 80% vaccination rate, probably still with a thousand or two cases daily. Bathurst will getting ready for a flood of covid cases from when all those spectators flood in from Sydney. Qld will probably still have it's border locked down solid with only the most essential people allowed in. Considering the best teams and some others come from Qld, will these teams want to cross the border into NSW. If they do, and no one in motor racing team could be classed as an essential worker, they will have have to stay in NSW, maybe for a long time, which includes being there over Christmas away from their families, but the show must go on.
Quote from: WarrenK on August 28, 2021, 04:54:59 PM
So the lastest date is early December. Everyone with rose coloured glasses are saying NSW lockdowns will be finished and sports events can have increased capacity with 80% vaccination rate, probably still with a thousand or two cases daily. Bathurst will getting ready for a flood of covid cases from when all those spectators flood in from Sydney. Qld will probably still have it's border locked down solid with only the most essential people allowed in. Considering the best teams and some others come from Qld, will these teams want to cross the border into NSW. If they do, and no one in motor racing team could be classed as an essential worker, they will have have to stay in NSW, maybe for a long time, which includes being there over Christmas away from their families, but the show must go on.
Gotta have rose colored glasses on to overcome all this doom and gloom ;D last year so called experts claimed 25000 dead by Anzac day didn't happen, millions unemployed when Jobkeeper finished didn't happen [ quite the opposite] vaccine passports can allow border crossing QLD and WA already are employing it no reason why they cannot do it for SC its 3 months away.
What happens wont be decided on this forum anyway lets hope cool heads prevail :)
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 28, 2021, 02:56:30 PM
We can't live in a bubble forever!!
NSW is 13 days away from 1st jab at 80% level, by the time this gets 2nd jab to the level of 80%, the other 20% (+12-15) should have had their first jab by this stage (if they want it). If people don't want the jab, that's fine, leave them behind & lets get on with life.
Anyway, bring on Bathurst & hopefully with a packed crowd.
No we can't but it's far from over. We can't leave the unvaxed behind, they will drag us all down.
Quote from: fordman on August 28, 2021, 02:06:10 PM
Vaccinated people's capability to catch and pass is greatly reduced and hospitalizations are accordingly reduced . children whilst can catch the virus do not suffer from it as much so reports state rare hospitalizations etc. 12-15 are now planning to be vaccinated.
If Bathurst is moved back to Dec that's 3 months for the numbers to come down and as I said above NSW will look at the cases in hospital NOT the cases themselves IF they are ok and within the Doherty report's guidelines I suspect it will be ok it may also mean that vaccinated spectators may only come from those states that have borders open to those who are fully Vaccinated. QLD and WA are making noises along the lines of keeping shutdown so none from there may come???
I suspect SC will be looking at ALL things to get the event happening with spectators otherwise they would give up now and say something. There is still time before a final call is made and therfore hope is alve. ;D
We're almost 3 months in and the number are still going up. Doom and gloom is reality at this point. BTW the full Doherty report is being kept secret. We've only been told what's in it by Morrison. The bloke that has stuffed up every response to a crisis and never hit a target yet.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 28, 2021, 08:15:32 PM
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 28, 2021, 02:56:30 PM
We can't live in a bubble forever!!
NSW is 13 days away from 1st jab at 80% level, by the time this gets 2nd jab to the level of 80%, the other 20% (+12-15) should have had their first jab by this stage (if they want it). If people don't want the jab, that's fine, leave them behind & lets get on with life.
Anyway, bring on Bathurst & hopefully with a packed crowd.
No we can't but it's far from over. We can't leave the unvaxed behind, they will drag us all down.
And we cannot make vaccinations mandatory the unvaccinated will have to eventually "risk it" we cannot have 90% of the country live under lockdowns because of a few. if we do not open at 80 WHEN? knowing 100 is not possible.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 28, 2021, 08:20:08 PM
Quote from: fordman on August 28, 2021, 02:06:10 PM
Vaccinated people's capability to catch and pass is greatly reduced and hospitalizations are accordingly reduced . children whilst can catch the virus do not suffer from it as much so reports state rare hospitalizations etc. 12-15 are now planning to be vaccinated.
If Bathurst is moved back to Dec that's 3 months for the numbers to come down and as I said above NSW will look at the cases in hospital NOT the cases themselves IF they are ok and within the Doherty report's guidelines I suspect it will be ok it may also mean that vaccinated spectators may only come from those states that have borders open to those who are fully Vaccinated. QLD and WA are making noises along the lines of keeping shutdown so none from there may come???
I suspect SC will be looking at ALL things to get the event happening with spectators otherwise they would give up now and say something. There is still time before a final call is made and therfore hope is alve. ;D
We're almost 3 months in and the number are still going up. Doom and gloom is reality at this point. BTW the full Doherty report is being kept secret. We've only been told what's in it by Morrison. The bloke that has stuffed up every response to a crisis and never hit a target yet.
now we should move this to the political section as its way way off topic. States have seen the report no evidence anything is being held back. As for targets is hitting some good one now. We are still better than other countries ATM despite the blinkered media.
Yep.
Everyone has been asked to keep this topic on the Bathurst date and discuss the pandemic in the Covid thread and yet... :(
Well the Bathurst date is contingent on the Covid pandemic. It's been moved once and now talk of another delay because the pandemic ain't getting any better.
Quote from: LG on August 29, 2021, 08:59:09 AM
Yep.
Everyone has been asked to keep this topic on the Bathurst date and discuss the pandemic in the Covid thread and yet... :(
I'm extremely confused how we discuss the Bathurst date change without Covid. The whole reason we have this topic & a Bathurst date change is because of Covid!
I do believe its more than likely a Dec event will be called, it just makes senses to give it as long as possible to sort things out. Vx numbers are looking good everyday, especially in NSW.
I also believe a passport system will have to be used for the event for teams and officials and staff and if go for spectators then they too need to have a passport. They will have to decide on camping is allowed etc.
I hope they advise those current ticket holders and campsite owners that possibly a very late call is made and such some may not get their because of various reasons and there may not be a lot of time to react to their call. 2 weekends have been mooted so fans should know if they can go to Dec date.
Maybe SC could simply sell tickets and campsites as if a new event?, those who have tickets for the Nov event can be offered like they did before a option to retain tickets for 2022 same for camping or refund, would save mucking around with this year and maybe stuffing everything up????
Personally I can go to any date they choose Nov or Dec Just need to know camping allowed or not.
Camping? Very ambitious. At this point, just hope the race can go ahead. Keep in mind, December is only being considered because the covid crisis is worsening in NSW.
I know it may be sad, but only a very small proportion of viewers actually attend the Bathurst site.
If attendees are banned or restricted, then a lot of them will watch on TV anyway.
For advertisers and sponsors, they still get an audience for their expenditure.
The event will cost promoters less to put the event on.
One big drawbacks will be loss of merchandise sales, which can be offset by on-line sales and reduction of sales employee costs.
Local businesses will lose out.
The real biggie will be getting enough volunteer officials who may have to double quarantine if from interstate.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 29, 2021, 12:18:50 PM
Camping? Very ambitious. At this point, just hope the race can go ahead. Keep in mind, December is only being considered because the covid crisis is worsening in NSW.
Have to have ambition, same reason that can allow the race can allow spectators and even camping, can even lockdown camping if you like majority take enough food and drink anyway. If vax rates keep up mid Oct will see 70% can find officials with the passport if you ask, don't assume thy wont come. otherwise just pull the pin now eh just give up eh.
Quote from: stevo qld on August 29, 2021, 12:58:23 PM
I know it may be sad, but only a very small proportion of viewers actually attend the Bathurst site.
If attendees are banned or restricted, then a lot of them will watch on TV anyway.
For advertisers and sponsors, they still get an audience for their expenditure.
The event will cost promoters less to put the event on.
One big drawbacks will be loss of merchandise sales, which can be offset by on-line sales and reduction of sales employee costs.
Local businesses will lose out.
The real biggie will be getting enough volunteer officials who may have to double quarantine if from interstate.
Yes Steve if the event does go ahead without spectators they will get a bigger TV audience obviously, Seamer has already said they really don't want to repeat last year with such restricted spectators seems to tell me they are really keen to get them there. Will they run the event with NO spectators have they said they were considering it. ? I went last year and was a real different event but it did have a positive ting in that they can run events all day without the midday lunch break on track action was continuous which was good.
I went last year and got my usual shirt and cap online before the event same price as if I got it at the event. Not sure if teams lost out overall on Merchandise sale because of Bathurst last year??? But if no event this year will NOT be buying my shirt an cap as usual.
yep for sure locals will miss out as they did last year so every effort to run it should be looked at pretty sure they would appreciate it.
Vaccine passport I believe will be the key thing, no passport no entry, and as for interstate as for the teams as well, it will depend on the border restrictions if they allow vaccinated people to travel and return home as normal then there should be no issue, Two states are already operating a vax passports at certain levels, NSW has indicated it will be as well. The passport I believe will be the KEY point If states outside NSW wont recognize a passport system then the event will struggle to go ahead any event or business also, But since some already do run a system it would be ludicrous not to continue it.
We will see what happens, my guess moved to Dec the latter date, announcement Mid Oct ;D
Quote from: fordman on August 29, 2021, 01:19:50 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on August 29, 2021, 12:18:50 PM
Camping? Very ambitious. At this point, just hope the race can go ahead. Keep in mind, December is only being considered because the covid crisis is worsening in NSW.
Have to have ambition, same reason that can allow the race can allow spectators and even camping, can even lockdown camping if you like majority take enough food and drink anyway. If vax rates keep up mid Oct will see 70% can find officials with the passport if you ask, don't assume thy wont come. otherwise just pull the pin now eh just give up eh.
No, we don't give up. We just have to remember that the ones hyping up opening at 70%-80% are the one that have never hit promised goals yet. We were suppose to be "front of the que". :)
Quote from: AlbertM on August 29, 2021, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: fordman on August 29, 2021, 01:19:50 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on August 29, 2021, 12:18:50 PM
Camping? Very ambitious. At this point, just hope the race can go ahead. Keep in mind, December is only being considered because the covid crisis is worsening in NSW.
Have to have ambition, same reason that can allow the race can allow spectators and even camping, can even lockdown camping if you like majority take enough food and drink anyway. If vax rates keep up mid Oct will see 70% can find officials with the passport if you ask, don't assume thy wont come. otherwise just pull the pin now eh just give up eh.
No, we don't give up. We just have to remember that the ones hyping up opening at 70%-80% are the one that have never hit promised goals yet. We were suppose to be "front of the que". :)
Well one states has hit a target and even earlier than planned and will be first to the 70/80% well before the event too. A couple are even dragging the chain to gain advantage from it >:(
There is an advantage to following just behind, you get to see the mistakes the leaders make eh.
Pleased to hear you are not giving up on the event it sounded like you were ?
I'm looking at reality.
BTW, NSW hitting 6million doses early, means absolutely nothing. Like predicting the sun rising in the morning.
Quote from: AlbertM on August 29, 2021, 06:32:19 PM
I'm looking at reality.
BTW, NSW hitting 6million doses early, means absolutely nothing. Like predicting the sun rising in the morning.
you seem upset that our leaders don't set goals but when they do and reach them you dismiss them? but attack them when they miss them :o ???
I prefer to think that since no call has been made about the event is good news, means they are looking at all things to get it to happen, hope is still there, all things that can make it happen are still there positive thinking is good, and even if the event is canned well its canned but at least I am positive today, and will understand they gave it a shot best they can didn't turn their toes up and pull the pin because todays numbers look bad 3 months ago it was different 3 months time even more different.
Quote from: Joe5619 on August 29, 2021, 10:31:45 AM
Quote from: LG on August 29, 2021, 08:59:09 AM
Yep.
Everyone has been asked to keep this topic on the Bathurst date and discuss the pandemic in the Covid thread and yet... :(
I'm extremely confused how we discuss the Bathurst date change without Covid. The whole reason we have this topic & a Bathurst date change is because of Covid!
Very easily.
The only Covid discussion here should be how it relates to the shifting of the date, not the ins and outs or the political side of it either... ;)
LG. I suggest closing this string and you personally add a post later when a definite date decision is made, or alternatively cancellation.
Us Victorians (my family and friends from the town in the news) have almost given up on attending this year. We can't see that it will go ahead with spectators if it does, will us Victorians be allowed to travel there?
Quote from: Trevor on August 30, 2021, 05:53:11 AM
Us Victorians (my family and friends from the town in the news) have almost given up on attending this year. We can't see that it will go ahead with spectators if it does, will us Victorians be allowed to travel there?
ditto Trev. just too hard to plan anything at present.
Quote from: fordman on August 29, 2021, 08:06:36 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on August 29, 2021, 06:32:19 PM
I'm looking at reality.
BTW, NSW hitting 6million doses early, means absolutely nothing. Like predicting the sun rising in the morning.
you seem upset that our leaders don't set goals but when they do and reach them you dismiss them? but attack them when they miss them :o ???
OK...Woohoo 6 million jabs! Party on!
Oh wait Bathurst race is still up in the air. We're still in lock down, we still have restrictions, we're still not at the vaccine threshold. Record case numbers, the health staff are overwhelmed...Bugger!
Quote from: Sonic on August 30, 2021, 08:31:47 AMditto Trev. just too hard to plan anything at present.
If they run the event with spectators Phil, and some of us Victorian can't get there, will they hold our camps sites over or do we lose our money?
Quote from: Trevor on August 30, 2021, 09:29:45 AM
Quote from: Sonic on August 30, 2021, 08:31:47 AMditto Trev. just too hard to plan anything at present.
If they run the event with spectators Phil, and some of us Victorian can't get there, will they hold our camps sites over or do we lose our money?
doubt you'd lose your money but losing your campsites would be a possibility if they run it...
but they would lose a lot of attendees if they do that!
Quote from: Trevor on August 30, 2021, 09:29:45 AM
Quote from: Sonic on August 30, 2021, 08:31:47 AMditto Trev. just too hard to plan anything at present.
If they run the event with spectators Phil, and some of us Victorian can't get there, will they hold our camps sites over or do we lose our money?
pretty sure they will rollover, they did it for last years event they moved it all over, and did the same for the changed date and expect they will offer a refund to those who want it.
Pretty sure they will have considered what to do for the current ticket/camping customers. Their office staff may be sick of juggling things around though ;D
They COULD run the event as a complete NEW event no reserved seating or camping. BUT those who have reserved campsites and seating are held over to 2022? Those attending the NEW event do not have any ability to hold their seats/sites, probably solve some admin issues and give more flexibility to SC and those who are pretty sure they cannot come to any alternate date security their long held sites/seats are safe for 2022?
Quote from: Trevor on August 30, 2021, 09:29:45 AM
Quote from: Sonic on August 30, 2021, 08:31:47 AMditto Trev. just too hard to plan anything at present.
If they run the event with spectators Phil, and some of us Victorian can't get there, will they hold our camps sites over or do we lose our money?
If other states are restricted and they on sell to NSW fans your campsite will be yours next year. Regardless of whether or not they sell your site this year you'll be refunded 100%
can I quote this 'fact' of yours?
Quote from: Trevor on September 02, 2021, 06:00:59 AM
can I quote this 'fact' of yours?
Believe it or don't, no skin off my nose! Just passing on info I was given after chasing up my own.
so, can I quote this 'fact' of yours?
Quote from: Trevor on September 03, 2021, 09:05:06 AM
so, can I quote this 'fact' of yours?
Read it again! I was given this info when chasing my own site up
If the SMP round is any indication, the same will apply to Bathurst.
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/03/covid-vaccination-to-be-mandatory-at-smp/
Only thing that will throw a spanner in the works will be state border controls.
so, just show me where you got the information
Quote from: AlbertM on September 04, 2021, 12:07:18 AM
If the SMP round is any indication, the same will apply to Bathurst.
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/03/covid-vaccination-to-be-mandatory-at-smp/
Only thing that will throw a spanner in the works will be state border controls.
I think you'll find that'll be a NSW Government rule for their workplaces soon enough, and SMP is included because they do own the track.
Given what's going on, and what the alternatives may be, does the race have to be in physical, real life form?
Quote from: CP on September 04, 2021, 10:07:34 AM
Quote from: AlbertM on September 04, 2021, 12:07:18 AM
If the SMP round is any indication, the same will apply to Bathurst.
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/03/covid-vaccination-to-be-mandatory-at-smp/
Only thing that will throw a spanner in the works will be state border controls.
I think you'll find that'll be a NSW Government rule for their workplaces soon enough, and SMP is included because they do own the track.
Given what's going on, and what the alternatives may be, does the race have to be in physical, real life form?
will we need to be double vaxxed to watch the Bathurst E series race online?
Quote from: CP does the race have to be in physical, real life form?
Interesting idea, one that I doubt has been thought of, but perhaps an option.
Quote from: AlbertM on September 04, 2021, 12:07:18 AM
If the SMP round is any indication, the same will apply to Bathurst.
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/03/covid-vaccination-to-be-mandatory-at-smp/
Only thing that will throw a spanner in the works will be state border controls.
Exactly as I believed it would have to be, and reading last paragraph of the story a strong hint Bathurst maybe moved.
There is still hope.
Quote from: fordman on September 04, 2021, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on September 04, 2021, 12:07:18 AM
If the SMP round is any indication, the same will apply to Bathurst.
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/03/covid-vaccination-to-be-mandatory-at-smp/
Only thing that will throw a spanner in the works will be state border controls.
Exactly as I believed it would have to be, and reading last paragraph of the story a strong hint Bathurst maybe moved.
There is still hope.
Looking like early December:
https://www.motorsport.com/v8supercars/news/first-december-weekend-bathurst-1000/6659542/
Supercars could still run Winton without a crowd. IF they want to. They could do it out of their own pocket as a tv only event easy enough.
And that would be better than an Island double header.
As for a NSW triple header, don't mind that as long as they don't use the same SMP track twice. Run the normal track one weekend and the short track the 2nd. Short and sharp and make them push!
Quote from: Sonic on September 04, 2021, 09:42:46 PM
As for a NSW triple header, don't mind that as long as they don't use the same SMP track twice. Run the normal track one weekend and the short track the 2nd. Short and sharp and make them push!
I wish they had done this last year! I think it would have been great for the night race.
How about a joker lap using the short track? :P
Quote from: skaifeman on September 04, 2021, 04:14:16 PM
Quote from: fordman on September 04, 2021, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: AlbertM on September 04, 2021, 12:07:18 AM
If the SMP round is any indication, the same will apply to Bathurst.
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/03/covid-vaccination-to-be-mandatory-at-smp/
Only thing that will throw a spanner in the works will be state border controls.
Exactly as I believed it would have to be, and reading last paragraph of the story a strong hint Bathurst maybe moved.
There is still hope.
Looking like early December:
https://www.motorsport.com/v8supercars/news/first-december-weekend-bathurst-1000/6659542/
Logical choice.
Plus NSW Premier increasingly making positive noises along the lines of opening up to sporting events [ with Vax passprts] and now even rumblings QLD will now back the agreed plan after appearing to hold out Vic also making similar noises as NSW , only makes it much easier for SC to make the event happen, another 30 days to sort things out can only be good.
Quote from: Kytabu on September 05, 2021, 03:11:09 PM
Quote from: Sonic on September 04, 2021, 09:42:46 PM
As for a NSW triple header, don't mind that as long as they don't use the same SMP track twice. Run the normal track one weekend and the short track the 2nd. Short and sharp and make them push!
I wish they had done this last year! I think it would have been great for the night race.
How about a joker lap using the short track? :P
that would be cool!! a shame to not be workable with the speed difference
about bloody time!
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/08/supercars-tcr-could-share-bill-for-bathurst-festival/
Australia has needed a proper motorsport festival and most of us who attend are already there for a week anyway so a few extra days will work I think for most of us.
6 days of racing at Bathurst? YES PLEASE!!!!!!
if I can bloody get out of Shepp :o :o :o
Quote from: Trevor on September 08, 2021, 07:56:41 PM
if I can bloody get out of Shepp :o :o :o
a show like that might almost convince me to risk my health with that bloody double shot of trouble!
Be brave Phil :o
Interesting
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/08/supercars-tcr-could-share-bill-for-bathurst-festival/?fbclid=IwAR07zGzEPmZIzf7wLndNtSfNacZspov3d21oY3TzYgGgaTeVTmaRvd2VWus
My question will be what will happen to the ticket holders/campers [ if its allowed] tickets for the regular bathurst event?
will they be given first option at getting the Tuesday/Wednesday tickets? or will they find themselves in different seats for Tue/Wed and Thur-Sun ?
I would go to the six day event.
I find it hard to believe a Supercheap sponsored event would combine with a Repco sponsored event
Why would they cheapen the 1000 by combining it with an as yet non-existent event? And how would Supercheap like supporting a support race for a Repco sponsored 1000?
Quote from: Roadways6 on September 09, 2021, 12:28:56 PM
I find it hard to believe a Supercheap sponsored event would combine with a Repco sponsored event
Why would they cheapen the 1000 by combining it with an as yet non-existent event? And how would Supercheap like supporting a support race for a Repco sponsored 1000?
yeah that would be an interesting situation to handle eh ;D
and seeing how anal Supercars are with their sponsors , I would categorically say it won't happen
What if say, the first 3 or 4 days was the Repco Bathurst 1000 and the next couple were the Supercheap whatever.
Sort of 2 meetings back to back.
Quote from: LG on September 09, 2021, 05:00:54 PM
What if say, the first 3 or 4 days was the Repco Bathurst 1000 and the next couple were the Supercheap whatever.
Sort of 2 meetings back to back.
how would they decide on gate takings etc and any fees paid by vendors etc it could fall apart in the splitting of the money no doubt there will be a fight.
Quote from: LG on September 09, 2021, 05:00:54 PM
What if say, the first 3 or 4 days was the Repco Bathurst 1000 and the next couple were the Supercheap whatever.
Sort of 2 meetings back to back.
only way I could see something like this being a working thing would be to start the lower categories early on with 2 prac sessions and quali on Tue/Wed, 'higher' categories to start prac/quali Thu/Fri along with races for the lowers, and the TCR 500 Sat afternoon and the 1000 on Sun.
both major categories would demand the biggest air time
Quote from: fordman on September 09, 2021, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: LG on September 09, 2021, 05:00:54 PM
What if say, the first 3 or 4 days was the Repco Bathurst 1000 and the next couple were the Supercheap whatever.
Sort of 2 meetings back to back.
how would they decide on gate takings etc and any fees paid by vendors etc it could fall apart in the splitting of the money no doubt there will be a fight.
Easy, boot everyone out and people buy a ticket to the next event.
As long as it is on FTA TV, it will thoroughly satisfy this rapidly aging fan. I will not be attending, along with the vast majority of Bathurst followers.
I gave up camping at Bathurst when drunken riots endangered life, limb, and particularly cars which were frequently burnt.
Supposedly this is no longer the case, but I won't be chancing it.
On the happy side, that leaves more room for those who wish to attend.
Quote from: AlbertM on September 09, 2021, 07:03:38 PM
Quote from: fordman on September 09, 2021, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: LG on September 09, 2021, 05:00:54 PM
What if say, the first 3 or 4 days was the Repco Bathurst 1000 and the next couple were the Supercheap whatever.
Sort of 2 meetings back to back.
how would they decide on gate takings etc and any fees paid by vendors etc it could fall apart in the splitting of the money no doubt there will be a fight.
Easy, boot everyone out and people buy a ticket to the next event.
Only would work if the event was totally separate events separate programme etc you buy a ticket for each event if they mix the programme it wouldn't work.
Given that the major sponsors of each event are competitors, I can't see either of them allowing the event that they sponsor to have any kind of prominent signage during the running of "their" event. Way too many other logistical problems for this idea to get over the line.
Quote from: madbugger on September 10, 2021, 07:30:38 AM
Given that the major sponsors of each event are competitors, I can't see either of them allowing the event that they sponsor to have any kind of prominent signage during the running of "their" event. Way too many other logistical problems for this idea to get over the line.
agree
Quote from: madbugger on September 10, 2021, 07:30:38 AM
Given that the major sponsors of each event are competitors, I can't see either of them allowing the event that they sponsor to have any kind of prominent signage during the running of "their" event. Way too many other logistical problems for this idea to get over the line.
agree
Quote from: fordman on September 10, 2021, 07:13:27 AM
Quote from: AlbertM on September 09, 2021, 07:03:38 PM
Quote from: fordman on September 09, 2021, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: LG on September 09, 2021, 05:00:54 PM
What if say, the first 3 or 4 days was the Repco Bathurst 1000 and the next couple were the Supercheap whatever.
Sort of 2 meetings back to back.
how would they decide on gate takings etc and any fees paid by vendors etc it could fall apart in the splitting of the money no doubt there will be a fight.
Easy, boot everyone out and people buy a ticket to the next event.
Only would work if the event was totally separate events separate programme etc you buy a ticket for each event if they mix the programme it wouldn't work.
Separate events is what LG suggested.
Quote from: AlbertM on September 10, 2021, 10:38:29 AM
Quote from: fordman on September 10, 2021, 07:13:27 AM
Quote from: AlbertM on September 09, 2021, 07:03:38 PM
Quote from: fordman on September 09, 2021, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: LG on September 09, 2021, 05:00:54 PM
What if say, the first 3 or 4 days was the Repco Bathurst 1000 and the next couple were the Supercheap whatever.
Sort of 2 meetings back to back.
how would they decide on gate takings etc and any fees paid by vendors etc it could fall apart in the splitting of the money no doubt there will be a fight.
Easy, boot everyone out and people buy a ticket to the next event.
Only would work if the event was totally separate events separate programme etc you buy a ticket for each event if they mix the programme it wouldn't work.
Separate events is what LG suggested.
Not sure if TCR would want their event over by Thursday???? in essence a midweek event? I like the idea of a Tuesday/Sunday speedweek type of event with both programmes combined. I doubt though with two major sponsors so close in business models I doubt they could agree to equal exposure time and signage placement etc etc
Don't know. Don't care.
Well it looks like a combined event
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/15/best-ever-bathurst-1000-festival-confirmed/
now lets see what happens with camping/tickets
Quote from: fordman on September 15, 2021, 09:12:14 AM
Well it looks like a combined event
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/15/best-ever-bathurst-1000-festival-confirmed/
now lets see what happens with camping/tickets
It's amazing what can be achieved by competing entities in these times for the greater good of motorsport.
Quote from: LG on September 15, 2021, 09:20:31 AM
Quote from: fordman on September 15, 2021, 09:12:14 AM
Well it looks like a combined event
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/15/best-ever-bathurst-1000-festival-confirmed/
now lets see what happens with camping/tickets
It's amazing what can be achieved by competing entities in these times for the greater good of motorsport.
good to see really, I think it makes sense as not sure what would have happened if they pushed for separate events on consecutive weekends, cost sharing would be a big deal, plus spectators now have a chance to watch both like me without added expense of travel to 2 events and with one ticket price.
Quote from: LG on September 15, 2021, 09:20:31 AM
Quote from: fordman on September 15, 2021, 09:12:14 AM
Well it looks like a combined event
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/15/best-ever-bathurst-1000-festival-confirmed/
now lets see what happens with camping/tickets
It's amazing what can be achieved by competing entities in these times for the greater good of motorsport.
Maybe a show of good faith for the new potential owners?
Some ticketing/camping info here:
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/faqs-everything-existing-bathurst-1000-ticket-holders-need-to-know/
You can either rollover your campsite to next year, or go this year for the week long event. They also offer a 6 day ticket for the price of a 4 (same for all current ticketholders).
Not just what happens with camping/tickets... but also how the hell they will schedule the thing and house 10 categories of racing cars/teams when the paddock is chockas with 5-6 categories.
with 10 categories to fit in I can see trouble giving each of them good air time.
Surely this is confirmation that Supercars is sold to the ARG aligned group?
NO mention of Vaccination passports????
Quote from: fordman on September 15, 2021, 10:27:55 AM
NO mention of Vaccination passports????
by then it will well in place and be assumed that you have one
We are currently disucssing attending for the full 6 days of racing - I am keen, not too sure who in our group is
Quote from: Trevor on September 15, 2021, 10:46:33 AM
Quote from: fordman on September 15, 2021, 10:27:55 AM
NO mention of Vaccination passports????
by then it will well in place and be assumed that you have one
We are currently disucssing attending for the full 6 days of racing - I am keen, not too sure who in our group is
I am fully vaxed so ready for either option.
Ticketing and grandstand little bit confusing but tiketec am sure will sort it out.
Looking forward to the full week sound exciting
Quote from: fordman on September 15, 2021, 10:27:55 AM
NO mention of Vaccination passports????
They don't have too, the State government is doing that for them.. No jab, no ticket, it's pretty simple. Anyone unvaccinated who thinks they will be allowed to attend are just living in lala land.
And I haven't read any articles, how did they get around Super Cheap & Repco issues?
Quote from: Joe5619 on September 15, 2021, 05:50:11 PM
Quote from: fordman on September 15, 2021, 10:27:55 AM
NO mention of Vaccination passports????
They don't have too, the State government is doing that for them.. No jab, no ticket, it's pretty simple. Anyone unvaccinated who thinks they will be allowed to attend are just living in lala land.
And I haven't read any articles, how did they get around Super Cheap & Repco issues?
true, but they did mention patrons will have to consider state regulations.
not sure how they did but they must have.
SC should hear next week how the event will run when NSW will announce more details on how events will run.
seems Dec 1 its open doors for all???? [ provided NSW gets to 90%]
so Bathurst may not be restricted to Vaxed only?
still uncertain what the other states will do and given any plans ppl make have to be made soon could be risky for interstate spectators to gamble.
no sign of not having the event though ;D
still looks like a NSW crowd to me.
Quote from: fordman on September 28, 2021, 09:22:51 AM
so Bathurst may not be restricted to Vaxed only?
I thought it had already been announced no entry to Bathurst event unless double vaxxed.
Quote from: Sonic on September 28, 2021, 09:46:06 AM
Quote from: fordman on September 28, 2021, 09:22:51 AM
so Bathurst may not be restricted to Vaxed only?
I thought it had already been announced no entry to Bathurst event unless double vaxxed.
Probably would be best to be double vaxed. event too close to the opening date to organize a "open" event, plus may not get the 90 number?
Quote from: Sonic on September 28, 2021, 09:46:06 AM
I thought it had already been announced no entry to Bathurst event unless double vaxxed.
I haven't heard anything Phil, is there a link anywhere to that
Quote from: Trevor on September 28, 2021, 12:17:19 PM
Quote from: Sonic on September 28, 2021, 09:46:06 AM
I thought it had already been announced no entry to Bathurst event unless double vaxxed.
I haven't heard anything Phil, is there a link anywhere to that
I believe it was SMP, no word yet on Bathurst.
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/09/03/covid-vaccination-to-be-mandatory-at-smp/
Quote from: Trevor on September 28, 2021, 12:17:19 PM
Quote from: Sonic on September 28, 2021, 09:46:06 AM
I thought it had already been announced no entry to Bathurst event unless double vaxxed.
I haven't heard anything Phil, is there a link anywhere to that
Looking for it Trev. Thought I saw that in the same announcement re SMP but perhaps that was just a suggestion? (Although I would expect it to be enforced anyway)
Quote from: Sonic on September 28, 2021, 04:10:40 PM
(Although I would expect it to be enforced anyway)
me too
Interesting from Speedcafe re weather, its could be HOT
Since readings began in 1911, the mean maximum temperature at Bathurst in December according to the Bureau of Meteorology is 26.5°C, compared to 20.1°C in October when the Great Race is traditionally held.
More recent readings between 1991 and 2020 have seen that December figure climb to 27.1°C (versus 21.0°C for October).
In 2019, the town recorded a December high temperature of 40.3°C.
As SVG and Slade said, there's been extremely hot weather during some of the 12 Hour races and they have managed. I know some of the GT3s have air conditioning now but it was not always the case.
It will be interesting to see if the teams still elect to triple stint the main drivers to the finish as has become the norm in the recent past.
Looks like Scotty is not coming over to drive which is a real shame: -
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/more-sports/supercars-champion-ruled-out-of-bathurst-1000/ar-AAP8Qfa?ocid=winp1taskbar
Quote from: drivexby on October 05, 2021, 01:14:46 PM
Looks like Scotty is not coming over to drive which is a real shame: -
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/more-sports/supercars-champion-ruled-out-of-bathurst-1000/ar-AAP8Qfa?ocid=winp1taskbar
:( :(
Definitely takes some interest away from the event.
Looks like few of the stars will be doing double duty at the 6 day Bathurst
Understandable , but it's taking the edge off all the categories being together if the front runners from other categories aren't going to be competing to save themselves for the 1000
Is the Murphy/Stanaway wild cars still happening?
Quote from: CP on October 06, 2021, 09:16:53 AM
Is the Murphy/Stanaway wild cars still happening?
I believe so.
"McLaughlin has not raced in Australia since winning both the V8 titles and the Bathurst crown last year".
James clearly forgot that Scotty didn't win Bathurst last year...
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/motorsport/v8-supercars/bathurst-2021-massive-supercars-blow-as-scott-mclaughlin-pulls-out/news-story/ac528d9d8f13edee3e6cdf83d72bc885
gee, what a surprise, a journalist got it wrong ;D ;D ;D
I do love 'Media Watch' on the ABC on Monday nights, just to watch them climb into journalists and the media for getting wrong
I thought SC were better than this???? :P
yeah right :(
moving the start time even later >:(
saying news starts at sixpm so allowing for record race time plus a sighting laps = 11.55am start time.
ok but what happens if it rains or heaven forbid the track doesn't break up again. Not ever race will go to plan.
And use a FB poll to make the decision sheesh
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/10/07/supercars-ceo-confirms-later-bathurst-1000-start-time/
again SC its getting further away from what fans really want IMHO
Don't worry it will probably start on Monday next year... :)
Quote from: fordman on October 07, 2021, 03:18:43 PM
I thought SC were better than this???? :P
yeah right :(
moving the start time even later >:(
saying news starts at sixpm so allowing for record race time plus a sighting laps = 11.55am start time.
ok but what happens if it rains or heaven forbid the track doesn't break up again. Not ever race will go to plan.
And use a FB poll to make the decision sheesh
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/10/07/supercars-ceo-confirms-later-bathurst-1000-start-time/
again SC its getting further away from what fans really want IMHO
I don't have an issue with the later start time. At the end of the day, the sun won't be setting until 8pm+ anyway, so what's the matter. Yes, the news bulletin will be on at 6pm, but they also have two other FTA channels they can utilise. FOX has the rights to the main coverage, they sure as hell aren't going to be cutting the race short.
I guess we are talking "Southern Politician Time, not EST.
I hope it pisses down raining about one hour before the SPT expected finish.
That will liven thing up.
Quote from: kennymiesta on October 07, 2021, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: fordman on October 07, 2021, 03:18:43 PM
I thought SC were better than this???? :P
yeah right :(
moving the start time even later >:(
saying news starts at sixpm so allowing for record race time plus a sighting laps = 11.55am start time.
ok but what happens if it rains or heaven forbid the track doesn't break up again. Not ever race will go to plan.
And use a FB poll to make the decision sheesh
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/10/07/supercars-ceo-confirms-later-bathurst-1000-start-time/
again SC its getting further away from what fans really want IMHO
I don't have an issue with the later start time. At the end of the day, the sun won't be setting until 8pm+ anyway, so what's the matter. Yes, the news bulletin will be on at 6pm, but they also have two other FTA channels they can utilise. FOX has the rights to the main coverage, they sure as hell aren't going to be cutting the race short.
It says in the article that Seven will be delaying their news on the day.
Quote from: SetonFan on October 07, 2021, 09:09:02 PM
Quote from: kennymiesta on October 07, 2021, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: fordman on October 07, 2021, 03:18:43 PM
I thought SC were better than this???? :P
yeah right :(
moving the start time even later >:(
saying news starts at sixpm so allowing for record race time plus a sighting laps = 11.55am start time.
ok but what happens if it rains or heaven forbid the track doesn't break up again. Not ever race will go to plan.
And use a FB poll to make the decision sheesh
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/10/07/supercars-ceo-confirms-later-bathurst-1000-start-time/
again SC its getting further away from what fans really want IMHO
I don't have an issue with the later start time. At the end of the day, the sun won't be setting until 8pm+ anyway, so what's the matter. Yes, the news bulletin will be on at 6pm, but they also have two other FTA channels they can utilise. FOX has the rights to the main coverage, they sure as hell aren't going to be cutting the race short.
It says in the article that Seven will be delaying their news on the day.
and then maybe switch podium to 7mate?
I am not a fan of a near midday start but it wont directly effect me in that I don't head home until Monday. Just many campers do leave after the race a late finish put them under pressure to get where they are going and more fatigue.
As long as it opens the door for more racing on the Sunday and less fan fair it maybe ok?
As long as it doesn't end up with a time certain finish due to bad light or some other factor. This race needs to be the full 161 laps.
The morning already drags on enough. It's not like you can arrive a bit later in the morning either as everyone will still be there at the same time to get their spots.
Start the race at 10, finish at 4 if it's a quick one, 4:30 if not.. If they can't fill in the remaining telecast until the news, that's on them. There's 26 cars in the race; a five-minute interview with each pairing discussing their day is all that's needed to fill the time.
Ridiculous. Start should be put forward 2 hours to suit us Kiwi's
Make the race longer Bathurst 1500
Quote from: Trevor on October 08, 2021, 11:10:01 AM
Make the race longer Bathurst 1500
Or a timed race. Make it the Bathurst 8 hour? AND make the driver split more even. 45/55
Quote from: drivexby on October 08, 2021, 09:21:24 AM
As long as it doesn't end up with a time certain finish due to bad light or some other factor. This race needs to be the full 161 laps.
I think, legally, this is one of the races that can't be time certain.
Quote from: Trevor on October 08, 2021, 11:10:01 AM
Make the race longer Bathurst 1500
I don't mind this to be honest. It would make it more of an endurance event, and, open it up a bit from a strategy point of view. It does reduce the chance of a close finish.
But, there is too much history involved in the 1000 to change it. And I'm not sure Supercars would risk reducing the lustre of the 1000 by running a longer endurance event somewhere else.
In many ways, the 6 hour is what the 1000 used to be - just a bit shorter. Class racing etc.
I do like the idea of removing the number of compulsory pit stops as suggested by JPerkins.
Quote from: 36 on October 13, 2021, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: Trevor on October 08, 2021, 11:10:01 AM
Make the race longer Bathurst 1500
I do like the idea of removing the number of compulsory pit stops as suggested by JPerkins.
Was this not brought in to help the Nissan's, who didn't have the fuel economy?
Easy rule to scrap...
Quote from: skaifeman on October 13, 2021, 11:32:46 AM
Quote from: 36 on October 13, 2021, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: Trevor on October 08, 2021, 11:10:01 AM
Make the race longer Bathurst 1500
I do like the idea of removing the number of compulsory pit stops as suggested by JPerkins.
Was this not brought in to help the Nissan's, who didn't have the fuel economy?
Easy rule to scrap...
Correct, and correct. Serves no purpose now, and just prevents team from trying to do a fuel saving strategy to save a pitstop.
Quote from: 36 on October 13, 2021, 11:18:45 AM
It does reduce the chance of a close finish.
ahhh, no it won't, Supercars has a history of manipulating close finishes at Bathurst ;D ;D
Quote from: Trevor on October 08, 2021, 11:10:01 AM
Make the race longer Bathurst 1500
If you want a longer race, that's what the 12 hour is for. It should always remain the 1000. I know that it is getting shorter, but we are yet to crack under the 6 hour mark and with the fact that the new cars will be around 2 - 3 seconds a lap slower at the mountain, after next year I don't see that happening anyway.
It has been changed before. doubled in fact.
Quote from: stevo qld on October 13, 2021, 08:03:41 PM
It has been changed before. doubled in fact.
When did it double? Race was once 500miles/804km and then changed to 621miles/1000km
Quote from: Troy01505 on October 13, 2021, 10:05:47 PM
Quote from: stevo qld on October 13, 2021, 08:03:41 PM
It has been changed before. doubled in fact.
When did it double? Race was once 500miles/804km and then changed to 621miles/1000km
You are right of course.
But, it did still increase.
Quote from: stevo qld on October 13, 2021, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: Troy01505 on October 13, 2021, 10:05:47 PM
Quote from: stevo qld on October 13, 2021, 08:03:41 PM
It has been changed before. doubled in fact.
When did it double? Race was once 500miles/804km and then changed to 621miles/1000km
You are right of course.
But, it did still increase.
It only increased to come in line with the Metric system which Australia was heading towards. The Bathurst 804 doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
Supercars have happily trampled on 'tradition' in every way possible with their version of the 1000, extending it to a longer distance has no barrier of tradition infront of it.
They won't get rid of the minimum stops because they don't want drivers saving fuel. 7 stops minimum reduces the need for saving fuel so drivers will supposedly attack.
Makes it less of a traditional endurance race, but Supercars have never cared about that barrier.
looks like the shift maybe a master stroke by SC???
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/victoria-to-reopen-border-with-nsw-from-october-19/news-story/2c66594a196ee4a4f293a815952e606a#:~:text=Victoria%20to%20reopen%20border%20with%20NSW%20from%20October,day%20of%20quarantine%20%E2%80%94%20but%20there%E2%80%99s%20a%20catch.
Master stroke? There's a fine line, between...
Intuition and luck, genius and stupid, intention and coincidence...
by putting it back as far as possible gave them every chance for things to improve and it looks like it has. They could have cancelled it. not sure they expected Vic to be opened though, I think the were hoping to build a crowd out of NSW.
Gotta have some luck sometimes ;D
Quote from: Zac on October 16, 2021, 10:42:29 PM
Master stroke? There's a fine line, between...
Intuition and luck, genius and stupid, intention and coincidence...
How's the old saying go?
"I'd rather be lucky than good."
10k at the races in Sydney, no reason same plus more at Bathurst ;D
Quote from: fordman on October 17, 2021, 07:03:31 AM
10k at the races in Sydney, no reason same plus more at Bathurst ;D
Funny how freedom day coincided with the lead up to The Everest. ;)
Quote from: CP on October 17, 2021, 10:38:49 AM
Quote from: fordman on October 17, 2021, 07:03:31 AM
10k at the races in Sydney, no reason same plus more at Bathurst ;D
Funny how freedom day coincided with the lead up to The Everest. ;)
Only the media called it freedom day, but seriously doubt they did this because of Bathurst, more like cricket and the ashes :D ;D
Quote from: CP on October 17, 2021, 10:38:49 AM
Quote from: fordman on October 17, 2021, 07:03:31 AM
10k at the races in Sydney, no reason same plus more at Bathurst ;D
Funny how freedom day coincided with the lead up to The Everest. ;)
The Everest always had an exemption for 80% freedoms even if the vax rate wasn't at 70%, the same was going to apply if the NRL GF got moved back to Sydney after the Brisbane outbreak scare (NSW offered to host it on this night tonight)
It's a massive event card for the weekend, really awesome.
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/schedule-set-for-repco-bathurst-1000/
12.15 race start and only 4 events beforehand ::)
No resident access in the middle of the day from Tuesday to Saturday, is that normal at the 1000? I know the 12 Hour and the 6 Hour always have an hour for access in the middle of the day outside of Sunday.
What do the support categories sponsors get out of races on Wednesday and Thursday?
Quote from: Kytabu on October 22, 2021, 06:43:26 PM
No resident access in the middle of the day from Tuesday to Saturday, is that normal at the 1000? I know the 12 Hour and the 6 Hour always have an hour for access in the middle of the day outside of Sunday.
Previous to last year there was a 1 hour access at lunch time last year no lunch break at all, on track action all day was one of the positives from last year.
Quote from: Kytabu on October 22, 2021, 06:43:26 PM
No resident access in the middle of the day from Tuesday to Saturday, is that normal at the 1000? I know the 12 Hour and the 6 Hour always have an hour for access in the middle of the day outside of Sunday.
other than Sunday there has always been the hour (plus) break in the middle of the day. if they can keep this up it is an absolute winner although of course it may create some fatigue for those of us working up there with the camera. no lunch break to do a quick download of pics and get them off to wherever they need to be
Maybe I'm dreaming this but I thought they kept building up internal access roads to the extent that they don't need a break for resident access any more?
I always enjoy the break in the middle of the day. It's a good opportunity to grab some lunch and go from the top to the bottom or vice versa without missing anything.
Just got a campsite at McPhillamy, if anyone is up there look out for the Volvo flag and the Focus RS!
I thought all the campsites up the top were sold out
Quote from: Trevor on October 23, 2021, 04:08:42 AM
I thought all the campsites up the top were sold out
I'm assuming there were cancellations and they put those sites back up for sale, just for this year's race. All of the sites are listed as non-renewable, so the previous holders of those sites will have the right of access for next year.
providing the borders are open and SC will allow fully vaccinated spectators, we are going
thats up to the states NSW is open Vic I believe is, QLD maybe. Dec 1 NSW vax or no vax is allowed, will make it interesting for SC as thats the Wednesday if the week, what happens on Tuesday Vaxed only??? campers included?
Just booked my campsite, noticed quite a few sites booked out, and looked at my grandstand to see how many seats available majority sold, numbers could be better than expected???
Quote from: fordman on October 24, 2021, 06:00:03 AM
thats up to the states NSW is open Vic I believe is, QLD maybe. Dec 1 NSW vax or no vax is allowed, will make it interesting for SC as thats the Wednesday if the week, what happens on Tuesday Vaxed only??? campers included?
Just booked my campsite, noticed quite a few sites booked out, and looked at my grandstand to see how many seats available majority sold, numbers could be better than expected???
and I went onto the Supercar website just a few days ago and clicked on the link to get a 6 day general entry ticket and it wasn't open?? showing $0 for the price (should have bought a bunch at that price LOL)
Quote from: Sonic on October 24, 2021, 10:15:12 PM
Quote from: fordman on October 24, 2021, 06:00:03 AM
thats up to the states NSW is open Vic I believe is, QLD maybe. Dec 1 NSW vax or no vax is allowed, will make it interesting for SC as thats the Wednesday if the week, what happens on Tuesday Vaxed only??? campers included?
Just booked my campsite, noticed quite a few sites booked out, and looked at my grandstand to see how many seats available majority sold, numbers could be better than expected???
and I went onto the Supercar website just a few days ago and clicked on the link to get a 6 day general entry ticket and it wasn't open?? showing $0 for the price (should have bought a bunch at that price LOL)
It should be available. We got our tickets about a month ago and I checked Ticketek just now and it is working.
Quote from: Kytabu on October 26, 2021, 09:40:47 AM
Quote from: Sonic on October 24, 2021, 10:15:12 PM
Quote from: fordman on October 24, 2021, 06:00:03 AM
thats up to the states NSW is open Vic I believe is, QLD maybe. Dec 1 NSW vax or no vax is allowed, will make it interesting for SC as thats the Wednesday if the week, what happens on Tuesday Vaxed only??? campers included?
Just booked my campsite, noticed quite a few sites booked out, and looked at my grandstand to see how many seats available majority sold, numbers could be better than expected???
and I went onto the Supercar website just a few days ago and clicked on the link to get a 6 day general entry ticket and it wasn't open?? showing $0 for the price (should have bought a bunch at that price LOL)
It should be available. We got our tickets about a month ago and I checked Ticketek just now and it is working.
Thanks :) Looks like I will be doing some work for one of the teams so that is a good thing! (not accredited though sadly as it was originally looking like)
Quote from: Sonic on October 26, 2021, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: Kytabu on October 26, 2021, 09:40:47 AM
Quote from: Sonic on October 24, 2021, 10:15:12 PM
Quote from: fordman on October 24, 2021, 06:00:03 AM
thats up to the states NSW is open Vic I believe is, QLD maybe. Dec 1 NSW vax or no vax is allowed, will make it interesting for SC as thats the Wednesday if the week, what happens on Tuesday Vaxed only??? campers included?
Just booked my campsite, noticed quite a few sites booked out, and looked at my grandstand to see how many seats available majority sold, numbers could be better than expected???
and I went onto the Supercar website just a few days ago and clicked on the link to get a 6 day general entry ticket and it wasn't open?? showing $0 for the price (should have bought a bunch at that price LOL)
It should be available. We got our tickets about a month ago and I checked Ticketek just now and it is working.
Thanks :) Looks like I will be doing some work for one of the teams so that is a good thing! (not accredited though sadly as it was originally looking like)
Surely Fabs has you as his personal photographer? ;D 8)
I think Fabian would be afraid of what might happen if he employs Sonic as a photographer ;D. That magnet is pretty strong.
:D yeah... Fabs demands a lot more than a 1.5 metre gap between us [:P]
My son jumped on the Bathurst camping website today, there is heaps of sites available
We got 2 different sites in Reid & Sulman, 1 spot back from the road next to the track, ****en stoked.
Applied for a refund on our other 2, had to Nov 1 to apply
Quote from: Trevor on October 27, 2021, 06:27:44 PM
My son jumped on the Bathurst camping website today, there is heaps of sites available
We got 2 different sites in Reid & Sulman, 1 spot back from the road next to the track, ****en stoked.
Applied for a refund on our other 2, had to Nov 1 to apply
just remember you cannot book them for next year they are one time only.
Yeah we know - a bit of a **** really
Good news maybe bad news for SC???
Good news is looks like Bathurst can have FULL attendance as capacity limits are to be removed Nov 8.
Bad news Dec 1 date for unvaxed is to be moved back to Dec 15 or if NSW reaches 95% DD before.
Will this mean unvaxed are not allowed at Bathurst now?
Quote from: fordman on November 02, 2021, 12:18:06 PM
Will this mean unvaxed are not allowed at Bathurst now?
Yes
But I don't see why that is bad news?
Quote from: Roadways6 on November 02, 2021, 07:00:43 PM
Quote from: fordman on November 02, 2021, 12:18:06 PM
Will this mean unvaxed are not allowed at Bathurst now?
Yes
But I don't see why that is bad news?
Bad for those unvaxed who were planning to come based on the Dec1 date and bad for SC who may have to deal with refunding those and having to deal with these at the gate.
The Covid shuffle may have stopped the Boost NZ wildcard.
QuoteNew Zealand motor racing legend Greg Murphy says there's little chance of him driving at this year's Bathurst 1000, despite Supercars yesterday including him on a confirmed list of entrants.
The four-time winner of The Great Race had been looking to pair up with fellow Kiwi Richie Stanaway in a wildcard entry for Boost Mobile Erebus Racing.
However, Murphy says he and Stanaway have struggled to secure MIQ (managed isolation) spots to return to New Zealand and he can't see himself being involved in this year's Bathurst 1000, which takes place on December 5.
"I don't have any ability to get back into New Zealand," Murphy told Stuff.
"I would have pulled out by now, but everyone wants to hang onto the bitter end and get rid of any possible scenario.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/supercars-legend-set-to-abandon-bathurst-1000/ar-AAQyBsk?ocid=msedgntp
I purchased my ticket for Bathurst yesterday, seemed a bit cheap - I got a 4 day pass for $138 from memory
No questions about being vaxxed or anything, which I expected
Quote from: Trevor on November 17, 2021, 06:02:31 AM
I purchased my ticket for Bathurst yesterday, seemed a bit cheap - I got a 4 day pass for $138 from memory
No questions about being vaxxed or anything, which I expected
Think the 6 day pass with pits is about $240.
While it'll hurt the pocket for folk who go as a family entry price really is very good value at $40 a day for 'entertainment'. Where else would you get it that cheap?
Of course, the cost of everything inside the gate is obnoxious but that is another story.
See you up there Trev. I get there Monday night.
Quote from: Trevor on November 17, 2021, 06:02:31 AM
I purchased my ticket for Bathurst yesterday, seemed a bit cheap - I got a 4 day pass for $138 from memory
No questions about being vaxxed or anything, which I expected
were the crowds at SMP required to be Vaccinated?
as for the ticket prices cannot attack SC for it very impressed camping is great value under 300 for the WHOLE week, and got my grandstand ticket upgraded to the whole week at no extra costs [ Tue/Wed] pretty good value for a WEEK worth of fun
Quote from: fordman on November 17, 2021, 09:55:49 AM
were the crowds at SMP required to be Vaccinated?
Yep, that is being checked for the SMP rounds.
Quote from: Kytabu on November 17, 2021, 10:02:23 AM
Quote from: fordman on November 17, 2021, 09:55:49 AM
were the crowds at SMP required to be Vaccinated?
Yep, that is being checked for the SMP rounds.
Thanks, I suspect the same for Bathurst, I wonder if SC should make some sort of announcement about what's happening at Bathurst? just in case someone has bought tickets and is not fully compliant?
I wonder how they will handle camping and QR codes? I suppose check into campground then check out when you leave the ground and check into the track upon entry and visa versa???
At the 500 in February we had to scan a QR code every time we went through an entry gate. We never checked out when traversing between the top and the bottom.
I assume vaccination checks will also be done at the same time.
Quote from: fordman on November 17, 2021, 10:55:03 AM
Quote from: Kytabu on November 17, 2021, 10:02:23 AM
Quote from: fordman on November 17, 2021, 09:55:49 AM
were the crowds at SMP required to be Vaccinated?
Yep, that is being checked for the SMP rounds.
Thanks, I suspect the same for Bathurst, I wonder if SC should make some sort of announcement about what's happening at Bathurst? just in case someone has bought tickets and is not fully compliant?
I wonder how they will handle camping and QR codes? I suppose check into campground then check out when you leave the ground and check into the track upon entry and visa versa???
Given that any freedoms for the unvaxxed don't come into effect until December 15, there is no need for Supercars to make any announcement. Unvaxxed people cannot attend
Quote from: Sonic on November 17, 2021, 08:35:06 AM
Quote from: Trevor on November 17, 2021, 06:02:31 AM
I purchased my ticket for Bathurst yesterday, seemed a bit cheap - I got a 4 day pass for $138 from memory
No questions about being vaxxed or anything, which I expected
Think the 6 day pass with pits is about $240.
While it'll hurt the pocket for folk who go as a family entry price really is very good value at $40 a day for 'entertainment'. Where else would you get it that cheap?
Of course, the cost of everything inside the gate is obnoxious but that is another story.
See you up there Trev. I get there Monday night.
What's the go with the paddock pass? Is it just access to the supports, or will Supercars open up their area?
Quote from: Roadways6 on November 17, 2021, 06:04:45 PM
Quote from: fordman on November 17, 2021, 10:55:03 AM
Quote from: Kytabu on November 17, 2021, 10:02:23 AM
Quote from: fordman on November 17, 2021, 09:55:49 AM
were the crowds at SMP required to be Vaccinated?
Yep, that is being checked for the SMP rounds.
Thanks, I suspect the same for Bathurst, I wonder if SC should make some sort of announcement about what's happening at Bathurst? just in case someone has bought tickets and is not fully compliant?
I wonder how they will handle camping and QR codes? I suppose check into campground then check out when you leave the ground and check into the track upon entry and visa versa???
Given that any freedoms for the unvaxxed don't come into effect until December 15, there is no need for Supercars to make any announcement. Unvaxxed people cannot attend
Probably so, I susect we all know by now what the go is.
Just read fine print on their site does confirm passports will be needed.
just remember local council elections on race weekend.
we are there from Thursday