I sense that Albert is more getting to the point of, Chev had the advantage for 85% of the year, it's okay for Ford to have it for the remaining 15%, based on the race results alone.

As I keep saying, there is as much evidence as Ford having an advantage as when it was seen that Chev had the advantage.
The parity tools that Supercars use are still the same.

As a topic of interest, it would be interesting to see if the parity review was on the verge of being triggered.

Love your duo, Arrow, but I have to go with the Champ's 'stang.

Skaife has done a serious number on you, Trev.

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Quote from: Trevor on December 02, 2023, 07:43:20 PMHow many podiums this year, with any one of their 4 cars?

Teams Championship means **** all these says, thanks to rule change by Skaife et el

Erebus should have pit garage 1, but the ****ers changed the rules at the 11th hour, ****ing Skaife has his fingerprints all over this

Why do you care if Erebus have pit garage #1 if the Teams Championship
Means **** all?

BJR had a solid year with Heimgartner and Fullwood. I reckon they should keep on going.

Obviously 888 and DJR have had  a monopoly on it. Technically Erebus should have it next year, but Skaife et el changed the rules in the week before the Adelaide 500, giving the teams **** all notice. Betty Klemnko has been very voal about the 11th hour change, and has questioned "why now, why not give the Teams 12 months notice" and I agree

It was obvious 888 weren't gonna get it so they did a rule for no obvious reason. I think it was Skaife et el being sooky coz 888 didn't win it again

Skaife has done a serious number on you, Trev. You (and the rest of us) have literally 0 knowledge of how/who made that decision.

Yes he sits on the RACE and Supercars Board, along with 3 and 5 others respectively.
The Supercars Commission (headed by our very own Abu Dhabi legend, Michael Masi, and I believe a representative from each team) voted favourably, which then make recommendations to the Board.
https://www.supercars.com/news/supercars-to-adopt-live-pit-lane-in-2024

The numbers win out in the end, how about democracy eh?

And further FYI - I wonder why Skaife would be so bias to 888, when 888 themselves didn't want it .
https://www.speedcafe.com/2023/11/05/whincup-concerned-about-live-pit-lane-plan/

It adds something throughout the season, but completely diminishes the advantage of the teams championship.
For something that they've tried to build and harp on about, it's nothing more than a trophy and a t-shirt.

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Perkins no longer co-driving at Erebus for 2024. Word is Hazelwood will team up with Le Brocq.
https://www.speedcafe.com/2023/12/04/perkins-announces-erebus-exit/

One of the more surprising things to happen was de Borre leaving Chaz/WAU:
https://www.supercars.com/news/mostert-pays-tribute-to-departing-de-borre

I see now this was announced months ago and slid under my radar.
Chaz has since re-signed and ADB won't be in that picture. Any word on who takes his place?

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Quote from: murph_fan51 on November 23, 2023, 05:31:55 PMCertainly different. Does anyone know what the bonnet is meant to be? The blue zig zag?

Looks like a reference to his 2016 rally car

And translated really well. Shame a diecast won't be made - yet.

We've just seen THE most dominant performance over a season ever. Too quick and surprisingly, too reliable!
Usually an engine or some sort of mechanical issue will dint an Champions season.

Well done to Carlos and Ferrari for taking one for everyone else.

Oscar showed some real potential. Headlines of best debut season since Hamilton are probably right, although Hamilton's '07 season is undeniably the all time best rookie season.
He's just got to start beating Lando on race pace. He's not quite there yet. Early days...

Any chance you have the various tournament and enduro winners to add to this list?

Shame to have not taken a win!

Thanks again for running it Mike, with the usual gusto that we've all come to expect!
Looking forward to next year already - maybe I'll get a livery up and running.

Quote from: AlbertM on November 26, 2023, 06:39:15 PM323 points clear, Brodie and Erebus has thumped SVG and 888 in the end.  The cruel twist is Brodies final score, 2,888.

Would you say... on merit?

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Quote from: muz on November 25, 2023, 06:06:01 PMSo, are we happy with parity?

Ford's walked past the Chev's in Adelaide today. I'm glad to see the Ford competitive, but it seems to have swung too far the other way.

Lucky we have wind tunnel testing before 2024 so that we hopefully get a tight season.

We'll never know. As far as I'm aware the quantifiable figures remain the same as when it was perceived that Camaro had the advantage.
We're still in the grey area of "everything is equal."

Agreed here, it is still a grey area. Pre GC update it was all Chev in top halt, with a sprinkling of waters, Mostert, maybe randle and maybe a shell car.

Post GC it is 4x Ford wins in a row, Fords mostly filling the top half with a sprinkling of SVG, Kostecki, Feeney.

Parity has not been achieved. The pendulum swung the other way.

We all want the same thing, proper fighting at the front for all manufacturers and teams.

There is big pressure on the USA testing so that these cars can properly fight in 2024.

The pendulum may have shifted, but the point of my post was the the tools and quantifiables of parity haven't. So the grey area remains.
As Albert would say, Supercars are just throwing darts at a dart board.

Quote from: AlbertM on November 29, 2023, 04:00:42 AMBefore Gen 3 Erebus was no where.

Agree with the rest of your post, barr this. Erebus have developed the best Gen3 package with the tools given to them.
Grove were equally nowhere and since the Mustang changes are the form team of the series. Teams can and do make leaps after large reg changes.

Quote from: murph_fan51 on November 28, 2023, 05:50:15 PMAs for the Chaz/Feeny incident, I suggest you listen to the V8 Sleuth/Bairdo podcast, who explained it well.

Bairdo doesn't really clear it up, suggests Chaz just 'flared it up.'
Difference being Feeney was a gentle touch on corner exit, whereas Chaz was a clear shove at corner entry.

What's more interesting is that we've now seemingly gone back to the redress being acceptable, with Baird stating that he wouldn't of given the penalty is Chaz gave the position back.
Didn't we have an issue earlier in the year where that wasn't ok?

Quote from: AlbertM on November 27, 2023, 10:08:52 PMPlease enlighten us to the truth. This cryptic BS gets tiring.

Seems stevo qld deleted his posts.

For a second I thought you'd lost it .

Quote from: AlbertM on November 29, 2023, 04:05:54 AMDutton said they couldn't find an issue with 97, and instead of risking an on track failure they parked the car.

It did seem like Shane just didn't want to finish 10th or whatever and parked it...

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Quote from: mikeamerica84 on November 27, 2023, 10:25:51 AMHEY!  Something completely different.

Were there five bonus points awarded to the fastest lap getters this round?  Crompo and Skaifey were harping on fastest laps all weekend.

Kye?  I need you right now, my friend. 

Not for this event, no.

Thanks for your expert input, Kye!   

On another note, Chaz was docked five seconds for his touching Feeney going into the turn in Race 2.  Did not Feeney touch Chaz and get him a tad amiss in the previous turn?  Chaz's bumper cam shot showed it to ME. 

But it is only me.

I thought the same but they didn't blow up about it.

Same!

Feeney got into Chaz at corner exit, is that why he got away with it?
The bump by Chaz looked a little clumsy to not be purposeful, and his intent to not redress.

I thought Chaz would've said something though?

Quote from: AlbertM on November 26, 2023, 11:40:52 PMAfter race 28 today my opinion of Shane remains at the same low level, when he off loaded Randall because he's having a temper tantrum. Even Skaife cracked and removed his lips from SVG's ass for a second.

Not that I have an issue with it, he also embarrassed his team with his phantom car issues.

SVG is SVG, he's always been prickly.
You could tell his heart was out of it ever since that weekend in Chicago. Bathurst was the only weekend he seemed to perk up for.

His move on Randle was unsportsmanlike no doubt, we know what doesn't phase him (akin to the #17 park-in).

The phantom car issues and then DNF were a giant let down. He and 888 should've given us a show.
I'm sure Supercars/Red Bull would've been happy for a final burnout...

Quote from: Kytabu on November 26, 2023, 07:10:42 PMInteresting coincidence; when we thought SVG was leaving back in 2012 he had a double DNF on the streets of Olympic Park. Now he is actually leaving he has had a double DNF on the streets of Adelaide. They were only two multi-race events of his Supercars career where he failed to score points.

Are we predicting SVG to return next year in a Blanchard Mustang?