Quote from: Trevor on March 25, 2024, 05:43:26 AMSaturday
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Clearly didn't watch the race!!!!!!

Quote from: AlbertM on July 12, 2023, 09:38:27 PMThe number of rounds and how many races are in those rounds have change. It can't be compared. No matter how you want to spin it. It has taken longer for Supercars to react in the number of races and months in 2023 compared to 2019.

Essentially you are trying to tell me 6 apples and 9 apples is the same quantity, because the nine is an upside-down six.

God your hard work!! You just can't stand to be wrong, ever!!! You single handy kill what should be a great website by with your narissistic personality.. And the monitors allow you too do this & kill their own website in the process!! 

I'm not spinning anything, your the one spinning stuff; after I've proven what you said was wrong, now you want to talk about fruit!!

I want to compare speeds at different tracks (or rounds), not count races when they are so very different each year per track.. But hey, I know you, I'm not getting the last say, so please reply with more BS because I'm done!

Quote from: AlbertM on July 12, 2023, 08:02:06 PMThe difference is 5 races. When have we ever had a 5 race round?

The time difference is April compared to July. When have we waited that long between rounds?

Go count the race & rounds for each year in question, it's easily done on Wikipedia.

The first 10 races in 2019 was the first 4 rounds, the first 15 races in 2023 was the first 5 rounds. Timing in months is meaningless, the actual number of rounds run is want's important & the difference is 1 round.

I really hope Cam says with Ford.. Not going to leave much talent on the Ford side if he goes..

Quote from: AlbertM on July 11, 2023, 09:21:13 PM

Quote from: Joe5619 on July 11, 2023, 08:40:49 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on July 10, 2023, 11:13:48 PMJust for those that think they actually follow the sport. The 2019 Mustang was clipped after 10 races. And back then ZB was never out of the top 6.

2023 Mustang wasn't modified until after 15 races.

I'm going to take you on face value for those race numbers vs changes made.

You can also write that as changes made after 4 rounds in 2019 & 5 rounds in 20123. One round difference is hardly much of a difference..

Don't have to take my word for it. 2 sec google. https://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport/supercars/v8-supercars-2019-ford-mustang-ordered-to-undergo-controversial-changes-in-line-with-parity-rules/news-story/d40674cd44c87ae1f7bbefeecb45dfe5

A 5 race difference and over 2 month later is at least two rounds, and worth up to 600 points. So yeah it is quite a difference. More so as this year has fewer races.

I do have to take your word on when changes where made as I can't remember..

I already went & checked before I posted; the race numbers per round are different between years. It's 1 round difference, not 2.

Quote from: AlbertM on July 10, 2023, 11:13:48 PMJust for those that think they actually follow the sport. The 2019 Mustang was clipped after 10 races. And back then ZB was never out of the top 6.

2023 Mustang wasn't modified until after 15 races.

I'm going to take you on face value for those race numbers vs changes made.

You can also write that as changes made after 4 rounds in 2019 & 5 rounds in 20123. One round difference is hardly much of a difference..

Go Gvz!! 

So now that a review has been trigger what's the process?

Do they do another round of parity testing or just make stuff up & start making chnages?

Quote from: AlbertM on June 21, 2023, 12:24:26 AMOh dear...The post numbers are shown on the top right of the post.

Of course you are free to disagree. I, like everyone else is as free to respond. So quit playing the victim.

Sorry I didn't notice the numbers at the top right count, I was counting them..

So that makes it even worse for you, as the post with the #7 in the post right corner (the one you spoke above) does not try to make it clear, all it does is call me dumb!!

You are showing your true colours now, quite being a dickhead!

Quote from: LG on June 20, 2023, 02:40:38 PM

Quote from: djr18fan on June 20, 2023, 08:17:48 AMIs this the nearest we have to a parity topic? Rather than clogging up round topics with parity arguments?

****. It's embarrassing being a ford supporter at the moment. Ford present a car for homolgation. Eventually say they are happy with the aero.
Then they bleat about the engine, that they presented. Sure, there still may be issues with engine parity, but in car footage appeared to show mustangs were at least hhe equal of Camaros down the long Darwin straight.
So now Ford teams bleat about aero. That they designed  presented and signed off on.
Come on Ford.

You do know that SVG drove a Stang at QR in testing? As soon as he stepped out his words were, this won't win a race.

Interesting.. Which Mustang did he drive?

A shame more of that wasn't down before the year started (with un biased drivers)..

Lets hope something is done before the next round before it becomes more of a **** storm

Quote from: AlbertM on June 20, 2023, 06:35:12 PM

Quote from: Joe5619 on June 20, 2023, 07:37:35 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 19, 2023, 10:39:41 PMWhy? He's already clarified and you still want to argue. Me explaining it to you isn't going to change your view either. We'll leave you in your ignorance.

No, when 2 people are having a go at me & denying what he clearly wrote, I'm going to speak up.. Its not ignorance, it's bullying by 2 people & I will defined myself.  He didn't clarified jack, he just made fun of me & denied what he said & you piled on.

Lets leave it at that!

So it's an ego problem. You misunderstood, and when corrected you think we're attacking you. Post 7 in the topic made it clear what he meant. The failure is on you. You are not the victim.

If you keep going, I'm going to keep post too!

Post 6 (not post 7, that is mine) did make it very clear & it 100% reinforced what was said in post # 2. I did not misundstand as it's very clear what was said.

What was said in post no 6 -> that the "2 samples" (I.E. T18 & MSR winning) being "back of the pack teams that are competing with a Camaro" are "beating championship winning teams that are using Mustang" & that if that happens it's "plan as day that there is a massive problem".
 
There is nothing unclear about the above quote.. As I've said many times, I have not misunderstood what was said, it's very clear. I don't agree with it & it seems I'm not allowed to disagree with you. So every time a small team bests every car from the other brand we have a party problem? This is NOT a sign of a parity issue, it's a sign of a job well done by the small team & full credit to them. The 8 other Cameros in the top 10 most of the time, in most race is the sign! 

Quote from: AlbertM on June 19, 2023, 10:39:41 PM
Why? He's already clarified and you still want to argue. Me explaining it to you isn't going to change your view either. We'll leave you in your ignorance.

No, when 2 people are having a go at me & denying what he clearly wrote, I'm going to speak up.. Its not ignorance, it's bullying by 2 people & I will defined myself.  He didn't clarified jack, he just made fun of me & denied what he said & you piled on.

Lets leave it at that!

Quote from: AlbertM on June 19, 2023, 07:51:46 PM

Quote from: Joe5619 on June 19, 2023, 07:41:25 PM

Quote from: AlbertM on June 19, 2023, 07:02:31 PM

Quote from: Joe5619 on June 19, 2023, 06:38:35 PM
Type as slow & use as small words as you want, you're the one that doesn't comprende.

And for Kim Jones to win, he would still have to beat every other Camaro driver in the same car (that's 2/3rds of the field).. And the team who have dominated the sport for 10-20 years (T888) & the team that is dominating this year (Erebus) using the same car.

To suggest that T18 & MSR only won because they have a Camaro is stupid! This also implys Ford must won every single race, which is also illogical.

That's not what madbugger is suggesting.

It's exactly what his saying... He said "because T18 & MSR beat every Mustang on the grid we must have a parity issue".. It's in black & white on my screen in the 2nd post of the topic!

The sad part, I agree we have a parity issue.. The issue is that 8-9 Camaros are beating most Mustang, most races.. Not because 2 teams that are small & haven't done a lot of winning beat every Mustang in one race..

"because T18 & MSR beat every Mustang on the grid we must have a parity issue" (Note: these are your words. You have not quoted madbugger correctly)

"To suggest that T18 & MSR only won because they have a Camaro is stupid!"

Getting confused yourself.

you tell me!! It's in black & white below..

Quote from: madbugger on June 19, 2023, 12:08:14 PM
If ever the question of parity needed to be answered, there it is right there.

2 teams that have never won a race win in Camaros and Frosty who hasn't won since 2017? as well as Jack Le Broq who has only won one race previously.

Middling to back marker teams from last year beating championship winning Ford teams with ease.

Quote from: AlbertM on June 19, 2023, 07:02:31 PM

Quote from: Joe5619 on June 19, 2023, 06:38:35 PM
Type as slow & use as small words as you want, you're the one that doesn't comprende.

And for Kim Jones to win, he would still have to beat every other Camaro driver in the same car (that's 2/3rds of the field).. And the team who have dominated the sport for 10-20 years (T888) & the team that is dominating this year (Erebus) using the same car.

To suggest that T18 & MSR only won because they have a Camaro is stupid! This also implys Ford must won every single race, which is also illogical.

That's not what madbugger is suggesting.

It's exactly what his saying... He said "because T18 & MSR beat every Mustang on the grid we must have a parity issue".. It's in black & white on my screen in the 2nd post of the topic!

The sad part, I agree we have a parity issue.. The issue is that 8-9 Camaros are beating most Mustang, most races.. Not because 2 teams that are small & haven't done a lot of winning beat every Mustang in one race..

In the drivers championship race, there are 2 Mustangs in front of Jack & 4 Mustangs in front of Frosty! In the teams championship, 3 of the 4 Fords teams are ahead of both T18 & MSR..

Quote from: madbugger on June 19, 2023, 06:23:04 PM

Quote from: Joe5619 on June 19, 2023, 02:43:17 PM

Quote from: madbugger on June 19, 2023, 01:54:19 PMMy point with those two examples is that also ran back of the pack teams that are competing with a Camaro are beating championship winning teams that are using a Mustang. When that is happening it is as plain as day that there is a massive problem with the Mustang.

Don't agree is my point.. This is 100% wrong & not the bases for a parity adjustment!!

They beat last years championship winning team & driver with the same car.

And when was the last time these Ford "championship winning teams" won the championship? Tickford last won with the driver you are putting down, WAU was last decade (or was it last century!!), Grove has never & DJR have been the weakest Ford team all year!

Lets be real, if we had parity in NT, the only 2 Fords that would have been able to compete with these "back of the pack" teams in the said 2 races would have be #6 & #17. The other Fords had no chance even with parity they just weren't good enough. And lets not forget #6 went up in flames, which didnt help

But yes, I agree Mustang needs an adjust, just not for the reason you are giving. I'll give full credit to T18 & MSR for beating every Camero & most Mustang on merit.  Weather they could have beaten #6 & #17 is up for debate..

ok I will use small words and type slowly.

Kim Jones' ol mate out the back could jump in a Camaro and beat the Mustang

comprende?

Type as slow & use as small words as you want, you're the one that doesn't comprende.

And for Kim Jones to win, he would still have to beat every other Camaro driver in the same car (that's 2/3rds of the field).. And the team who have dominated the sport for 10-20 years (T888) & the team that is dominating this year (Erebus) using the same car.

To suggest that T18 & MSR only won because they have a Camaro is stupid! This also implys Ford must won every single race, which is also illogical.