Quote from: Mechz on February 07, 2024, 01:33:11 PM

Quote from: LG on February 07, 2024, 09:46:27 AMOne could say that Supercars are partly responsible for the situation.
If they knew about the toxic conditions within Erebus and allowed it to continue then they are remiss with their WHS conditions.

Sorry LG but unless you can point to a clause in the agreement between SC & the teams saying they have power to resolve these things, then I doubt it exists.

The only power they would have is if the team or driver brought the sport into disrepute, and SC do that to themselves better than any team ever could.

I laughed, but I think the teams would have a far more difficult time getting Supercars convicted for disrepute rather than the other way around. Supercars is the one who books the circuits, so they most likely also have the power to get someone trespassed from their events. Maybe all the other teams would need to agree to remove Erebus entirely though.

Latest believable explanation I saw was that working for the team was too toxic. Though I'd kinda have to be in the team to even imagine it. Must be a really extreme case with bullying and so on, given you kinda expect motor racing to be a high pressure environment with people working long hours and tempers fraying etc. Drivers also have the luxury of that buffer where they don't normally even interact with anyone other than their engineer while they're doing their most important work.

Quote from: TheArrow on February 02, 2024, 06:41:58 PMUnless I missed something, but I haven't seen anything about a "mental health" issue except in Peter Adderton's post?

Referring to Shane Howard saying "We understand the gravity of Brodie's decision and the challenges he may be facing at this time", ie. Supercars making it appear as if Brodie alone had an issue going on, when actually we can be pretty sure it's bigger than that.

Quote from: murph_fan51 on February 01, 2024, 04:36:19 PMIt seems everyone is blaming Barry? I like his no bull**** hard man approach to sport, if it was that bad neither driver would have won the championship last year. And Betty would have sorted it out anyway.
Will going to T8 was simply opportunity. Anyone would take it.

Someone in the Speedcafe comments suggested Brodie found out he was Triple Eight's first choice for poaching, so now he's bitter because Erebus held him back and then treated Will's career differently. Betty was involved in those decisions.

It's a shame to have all this speculation out there though, and I wanna believe there's a more legitimate reason. Otherwise, surely Brodie could've shown he was the honourable one and fulfilled the contract he signed, and more importantly: try to beat Triple Eight again! Then live and learn for next career decision etc.

Seriously sucks if true. First guess would be that Brodie's NASCAR opportunities are ballooning and starting to interrupt his Supercars programme.

Having learned they're thankfully ok, I'm certainly not above having a laugh at a well-paid driver, but some people in the comments didn't see it the same way. It is a bit unfortunate the debris thing will follow Fabs around for the rest of his life even though it wasn't his idea. He may even prefer to be remembered for the Chase rollover above that!

Quote from: muz on November 30, 2023, 08:59:02 AMIt wasn't right when it was a Camaro steam train, and seeing Ford fill the majority of the top half after a parity change also is not right.

I want to see the two makes go toe to toe, and we have rarely seen that in 2023.

We rarely saw that when Triple 8 Holdens won 5 out of 6 championships between 2011-2016 if you ask me. Now that Supercars has been trying to improve things and stumbling along the way, it seems fans get worked up into far more of a furore than they would've if Supercars hadn't tried to change anything. I find it quite bizarre.

The 1st year of Gen 3 was always going to be a mess given they even wanted to introduce it in the middle of a season at one point. I'm not convinced the data & results are even worth arguing about. I'll just start my quibbles with 2024 on a clean slate.

Quote from: skaifeman on November 27, 2023, 10:20:10 AM

Quote from: AlbertM on November 26, 2023, 11:40:52 PMAfter race 28 today my opinion of Shane remains at the same low level, when he off loaded Randall because he's having a temper tantrum. Even Skaife cracked and removed his lips from SVG's ass for a second.

Not that I have an issue with it, he also embarrassed his team with his phantom car issues.

SVG is SVG, he's always been prickly.
You could tell his heart was out of it ever since that weekend in Chicago. Bathurst was the only weekend he seemed to perk up for.

His move on Randle was unsportsmanlike no doubt

The move sucked and doesn't really belong in Supercars, but partly because the cars are fragile. One bump and Randle probably has steering damage and has to nurse it home. Whereas if SVG goes and makes the same kind of moves on Americans in NASCAR it'll be top tier entertainment and I look forward to seeing it.

Quote from: Troy01505 on November 26, 2023, 12:59:44 PMMost interesting part of 2024 for me is the young guys fighting it out all year.

How old is Waters? Probably the only old fella left with potential to fight it tooth and nail to the end

I was expecting 2024 to be a 3-way battle between Kostecki and the two Red Bull kids, but probably need to add Payne in there as well after the way he brained them in the last race of the season. Waters is only 29 though and hopefully he has a better season.

If I had to predict I'd probably guess Feeney for the win, but there's certainly no clear favourite.

Quote from: muz on November 11, 2023, 07:54:55 AMIt's now lost 3 of the best drivers in the last 20yrs across 3 seasons: McLaughlin, Whincup, SVG.

With those 3 there was almost always a clear favourite going into each season. Now I dunno how to create a new "buzz" about it, but I expect 2024 could be a more exciting championship than what we've seen in a long time. A compact calendar isn't necessarily a boring one.

It'll be interesting to see if any drivers are compelled to do any veering aside at the final round. Currently Feeney needs just 9 points to catch Brown in the championship so maybe he could ask Shane for another handout.

Quote from: madbugger on November 08, 2023, 07:28:27 AMAll RK did was circulate for the year and accumulate points, not a bad strategy in the end, but to come away with the championship without a single win was also an inditement of a points system that didn't give enough credit to winning.

One race win wasn't it? I don't think it's a bad thing as race wins are already thoroughly celebrated with champagne and trophies, while consistency is more difficult to pull off (especially if other drivers are crashing into you ). They did improve the points balance a bit since anyway, but by my quick calculations Rick would still have won by about 17 points or so under the current points system. Podiums at Clipsal and the enduros counted for a lot.

Funnily enough, Brodie vs SVG results at Sandown & Bathurst this year mirror Rick vs Lowndes in 2006.

Quote from: murph_fan51 on November 07, 2023, 04:57:13 PMWhat's the worst place finish Brodie needs to finish, if SVG wins both races? If so, Brodie could circulate and finish around the mid pack?

If SVG grabs 300 points, Brodie needs 170 - so more like in the top 10 rather than mid pack. An 8th & 9th or a 7th & 10th would do it.

I notice they seem to be allowed to make a pass at turn 4 now even if they hop the chicane a bit. That's new isn't it?

As for Pye, it'd really help if their engineers acted as NASCAR-style spotters when needed. Perhaps they could be alerted to it quickly whenever a car ahead has a very slow micro sector (not sure how short those are though).

Quote from: mikeamerica84 on October 29, 2023, 09:00:02 AMI wish they could resolve the first chicane on the initial start of the race.  Start them somewhere else on the track, like a standing start AFTER the first chicane complex.

That might just move the problem to the 2nd chicane!

Quote from: skaifeman on October 08, 2023, 02:58:22 PMAnd Lowndes/Goddard seem to be back and only a lap down. The timing tower on screen must've been playing up.

UPDATE: Supercars TV timing is way off. Natsoft has Lowndes as 12 laps down.

I believe the TV timing mostly shows the gap to the car ahead of them. So they may've been 12 laps down but showing +1 lap on TV if there was another car 11 laps down.