Quote from: stevo qld on May 22, 2022, 09:55:14 AM
Having taped the Saturday races, as scheduled on Sunday morning, but in the middle of the night, I turned to the tape later this morning.

The broadcast started with about 4 laps to go, then they wiped out a chuck with advertising.

But it was a very exciting 3 lap highlight package.

bring back Channel 10.

You'd have had same issue with Channel 10 - the election coverage ran over on all channels; so like 7, 10 also didn't return to their scheduled programming until Albo finished his speach

I should have done some research.  Went in there thinking it would be easy enough to find 6 above the line that are harmless enough and not too offensive; ended up being much harder than I thought, and while the pirate bit caught my attention and appealed to my childish ways my lack of research had me knowing nothing about the Science/Pirate/Secular/Planet/Climate/Justice Fusion party.

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Quote from: Trevor on May 21, 2022, 05:33:34 AM
it is a good track Mike, large number of spectators, camping on site, has been referred to as a 'mini-Bathurst' for that reason

It ALWAYS throws up a surprise or two, many different winners, hell even a Nissan won there

And Skaife has NEVER won a Supercars race there, so there is another reason to go

A Nissan won there because they used Winton to experiment with different fuel.

Rick Kelly won in 2019 using the same fuel as everyone else.

Didn't know that, I thought McLaughlin won both races in 2019.  Well there you go

My mistake, it was 2018.

All good.  Point I was trying to make is Winton is one of the few places they would use for such an experiment - as Trev himself says, it has the lowest TV viewers, the care factor among the national audience is much less than other events.

But don't let me change your mind Mike.  Winton is the Monaco of the south and should be on everyone's motorsport bucket list.  It's reason enough to come to Australia, if not for the track but for the camping facilities.

It's the place where the pit lane speed loop was accurate and 100% trustworthy according to posters on this site (old site) despite many driver's protestations, before that method then became untrustworthy years later at Newcastle when different drivers and team were involved

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Quote from: Trevor on May 21, 2022, 05:33:34 AM
it is a good track Mike, large number of spectators, camping on site, has been referred to as a 'mini-Bathurst' for that reason

It ALWAYS throws up a surprise or two, many different winners, hell even a Nissan won there

And Skaife has NEVER won a Supercars race there, so there is another reason to go

A Nissan won there because they used Winton to experiment with different fuel.

Rick Kelly won in 2019 using the same fuel as everyone else.

Didn't know that, I thought McLaughlin won both races in 2019.  Well there you go

Quote from: Trevor on May 21, 2022, 05:33:34 AM
it is a good track Mike, large number of spectators, camping on site, has been referred to as a 'mini-Bathurst' for that reason

It ALWAYS throws up a surprise or two, many different winners, hell even a Nissan won there

And Skaife has NEVER won a Supercars race there, so there is another reason to go

A Nissan won there because they used Winton to experiment with different fuel.  There's no way they would have played around with some cars running jungle juice at a marque event like Bathurst or Clipsal or another event that 'mattered'.

I'd question how many people choose what tracks to go to based on whether a guy that retired a decade ago never won there - you'd have to be very mentally scarred by that driver's success to obsess over things like that.

Of course, it is well known that Skaife can be regularly heard saying he would swap all his Bathurst wins for just one 'mini-Bathurst' victory around the clothesline.

Winton isn't at the bottom of my list of permanent tracks, but it is close to it.   Above it I have Phillip Island, Hidden Valley, Sandown, Barbagello, Symmons Plains, Eastern Creek and Poke-a-kiwi...but I do have Winton above The Bend and the paperclip.

Quote from: AlbertM on March 06, 2022, 01:22:48 PM
Yep, seriously. Look at the lap speed after their respective stops. Strategy plays no part in those numbers.

Yes it does, the guy on 2-stop strategy has to drive to a number to make his tyres last, the guy on 3-stops can go harder.

Are you honestly saying you think a driver on 2-stop strategy and driver on 3-stop strategy both push as hard as each other each and every lap?

Was sad to hear that the Russians destroyed Mriya, the Ukrainian Antonov AN-225 cargo plane (world's largest plane, was the only one left)

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Quote from: AlbertM on March 06, 2022, 10:39:40 AM
OMG having discussion on a discussion forum, OH THE HUMANITY!

The only highlight of the race is to talk about ZB's blinding speed, nothing else happened.

QuoteFord dominated at this track less than 6 months ago with the same cars!

Did it? Because a ZB took home the silverware for the top spot.

Sorry, I meant Ford dominated the 4 rounds last year...

It won races yes, but ultimately ZB took home the win over those 4 rounds.

You can't blame ZB or parity for the ineptitude of Anton's team. Anton would have taken home the win over those 4 rounds if DJR didn't self-sabotage by putting one of Will's tyres on Anton's car, getting him excluded from a 5th place finish in one of those races.

But muh pariteeeeee

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Quote from: skaifeman on March 06, 2022, 10:46:59 AM
The only difference in parity I saw was the car that won did so with a completely different strategy.

How can you measure parity on two cars that had different tyre strategies from the get go?
If you compare those that are comparable (the 2 stoppers), ADP wins.

We'll see a few more 3 stoppers today I reckon.

We can with lap speed. SVG was faster, much faster than ADP on the same tyre. SVG was so fast he made up for a 3rd stop and pull 20seconds in 10 laps. SVG fastest time was set on softs beating ADP's best time on supersofts.

Before this forum went to crap there used to be members that would have been able to explain to you that, being on different strategies, ADP had to drive to a number to get his SS tyres to last long enough for him to do a 2-stop strategy, whereas SVG was able to go ballistic on that last set of softs.  Actually, you used to be one of those knowledgeable people capable of critical thinking - so why do you now deal only in absolutes and refuse to analyse reasons that don't suit your narrative?

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Quote from: hsv8fan on July 10, 2021, 10:52:07 PM
I don't know why Supercars just don't go drag racing!
There is complete lack of regard for track design with nearly full car width off the track jumping kerbs and running wide of corners

I hear you on that one.

I disagree. The kerbs are designed for the cars to run over. The rule is that 2 wheels must be on the track side of the kerb (effectively. The rule may worded differently) the other 2 wheels can be wherever they like. Same when a painted line is the track limit.
It doesn't matter where the cars are positioned as long as it's the same for everyone.
The rule could be changed to require all 4 wheels to remain inside kerbs - reducing the spectacle and slowing the cars. Or the rule not changed and the corners tightened - slowing the cars. Or the rule changed and the corners opened up - Reducing the spectacle without reducing speed.
Using the kerbs also adds a challenge and options for teams in suspension settings.

Bottom line - the drivers aren't cheating. The corners are designed to be cut.

I hear you  but my problem is I'm old school. A track is designed and built to be raced on.
If you go off the track then you're off the track.
Adding a bit here and there where drivers go off because they are trying too hard or going too fast is not solving a problem.
It's simply giving in.
We hear this phrase about driving every day, 'Drive to the conditions.'
Don't go faster and expect the powers that be to change the track for you.
Find a way of going round the track without going off it.

Spot on LG,  My point exactly

The kerbs are part of the track. They are designed to be driven on. Cars are not going off the track when 2 wheels go over them. Same applies to other sealed areas.

One of the reasons I prefer watching tin-tops is the fact they can climb the kerbs.  Watching them through Senna Chicane at Adelaide (RIP), the chicane at Gold Coast, the 2 switch-backs at Townsville, etc.  It adds another element to set-up/engineering and driver skill, and also adds a further risk of mechanical failure given the cars have become far too reliable these days.

What an idiot.  Doesn't even know if the woman is real or he was catfished - for all he knows it was his ex Nat.

Me either LG, but sure is an interesting and fun chat.  Do you think maybe Trev deleted most of what he said because his initial comment suggested they could have recovered Skaife but didn't, when in fact they did pull his car out the mud so he could continue racing?

Do you want us to start a new thread in Nostalgia to discuss Trev's allegations that Schenken was prejudiced towards Skaife?

Quote from: AlbertM on July 02, 2021, 04:42:56 PM
I agree with that. I'm sure Ford teams thought similar in 2019.

Why was Schenken biased against all Ford teams in 2019?  As race director he should be professional enough to treat all driver's and teams equally, no matter what shared history they may have.

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Quote from: Iggle Piggle on July 02, 2021, 12:55:44 PM
Why did Skaife deserve to be left there?

ask Schenken

bye

Bye?

Was hoping you might actually know.  From the little you have said it was because Schenken did not like Skaife and could not put that dislike to the side to do his job fairly and without malice, but was hoping you could explain why Schenken did not like Skaife.

EDIT:  Where did the rest of your post go Trev?  Do you need Skaifeman to delete it from where he quoted you so you don't get in trouble?

Sure does sound unprofessional - must have been hard for Skaife and HRT having to beat their on-track rivals and also a race director that had it in for you.

Why did Skaife deserve to be left there?

What was Schenken saying about Skaife?