COVID-19 discussion

[AlbertM]

No prizes for 2nd place Zac, remember?

Moving on. Two days ago the PM said about the Vaccine roll out reaching 80%.

"By the end of the year we will be in that position, where everybody who has had the opportunity will have had it,"
"I would expect by Christmas that we would be seeing a very different Australia to what we are seeing now ... lockdowns become a thing of the past when you are at that level.

Today He is asked if we will reach 70% by the end of the year.

"We're not going to set timetables on it. I would hope so, but that is entirely up to how the nation responds to this challenge."
"We get there when we get there."

[AlbertM]

Lockdowns: Gulag Gladys Vs Dictator Dan

https://youtu.be/fO1XV7SvWcg

[Zac]

No prizes for 2nd place Zac, remember?

No, there isn't. I'll leave you to have the last word.
I know what it means to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB1JlHWvRxc

[AlbertM]

Again? Last time you used that clip on me, Robin Williams killed himself.

[AlbertM]

Annnd Queensland's SE goes into lockdown.  With a not so subtle dig at NSW from the CMO.

"I want to remind people why we need to do this. New South Wales had one case on 16 June. 38 days later, they are at 3,000 cases. From that one person. 38 days, 3,000 cases. Sadly, 13 people have died just from that one cluster."


It's not classic Robin Williams, still funny...

Honest Government Ad | Hotel Quarantine & Vaccines - https://youtu.be/X_0zFEtPbiA (coarse language warning)

[LG]

This is worth thinking about:-

Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let's review some facts :
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn't trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn't trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn't trust the security guards not to have conversations with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and state borders, because we can't trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn't trust people to not to take more than what they needed.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated, but essentially it's our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
The quicker people start following directions, the quicker this situation will improve.
Start thinking of others not just yourselves.

[AlbertM]

Yes, people are only part of the problem.

Failures/leaks of quarantine is purely 100% the fault of the government. Hotels are for tourist not virial containment.  Delta is airborne and guests are breathing the same air as a result People are getting infected in quarantine.  The feds have had 18 month to setup dedicated facilities. States have offered to build their own only for the Feds to make any support for it conditional on keeping hotel quarantine.

If only the government deployed the police and ADF to the Sydney Eastern suburbs 5 weeks ago. We wouldn't have to blame thousands of people doing the wrong thing.

The slow roll out of the vaccine is another government failure and out of the hands of the people.

Last lines I completely agree with.

[djr18fan]

Yes, people are only part of the problem.

Failures/leaks of quarantine is purely 100% the fault of the government. Hotels are for tourist not virial containment.  Delta is airborne and guests are breathing the same air as a result People are getting infected in quarantine.  The feds have had 18 month to setup dedicated facilities. States have offered to build their own only for the Feds to make any support for it conditional on keeping hotel quarantine.

If only the government deployed the police and ADF to the Sydney Eastern suburbs 5 weeks ago. We wouldn't have to blame thousands of people doing the wrong thing.

The slow roll out of the vaccine is another government failure and out of the hands of the people.

Last lines I completely agree with.

Has anyone seen, anywhere in the world, a dedicated quarantine facility, or a design for one, that provides a separate air supply for each room? That guarantees no cross contamination of air? That doesn't rely on staff coming into reasonably close proximity to inmates? That eliminates the potential for staff to ever make a mistake and that arrivals can get to without travelling through an air or sea port or have to be taken to this facility in a bus?

[Trevor]

This is worth thinking about:-

Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let's review some facts :
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn't trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn't trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn't trust the security guards not to have conversations with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and state borders, because we can't trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn't trust people to not to take more than what they needed.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated, but essentially it's our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Selfishness and lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself.
The quicker people start following directions, the quicker this situation will improve.
Start thinking of others not just yourselves.

very well said Zac

[Trevor]

Yes, people are only part of the problem.

Failures/leaks of quarantine is purely 100% the fault of the government. Hotels are for tourist not virial containment.  Delta is airborne and guests are breathing the same air as a result People are getting infected in quarantine.  The feds have had 18 month to setup dedicated facilities. States have offered to build their own only for the Feds to make any support for it conditional on keeping hotel quarantine.

If only the government deployed the police and ADF to the Sydney Eastern suburbs 5 weeks ago. We wouldn't have to blame thousands of people doing the wrong thing.

The slow roll out of the vaccine is another government failure and out of the hands of the people.

Last lines I completely agree with.

and I agree with you

[Trevor]

Has anyone seen, anywhere in the world, a dedicated quarantine facility, or a design for one, that provides a separate air supply for each room? That guarantees no cross contamination of air? That doesn't rely on staff coming into reasonably close proximity to inmates? That eliminates the potential for staff to ever make a mistake and that arrivals can get to without travelling through an air or sea port or have to be taken to this facility in a bus?

No, but I reckon we are going to see 3 or 4 that come very very close

[AlbertM]

Has anyone seen, anywhere in the world, a dedicated quarantine facility, or a design for one, that provides a separate air supply for each room? That guarantees no cross contamination of air? That doesn't rely on staff coming into reasonably close proximity to inmates? That eliminates the potential for staff to ever make a mistake and that arrivals can get to without travelling through an air or sea port or have to be taken to this facility in a bus?

A caravan park? Trained support staff instead of rent-a-cops? Proper PPE?

So what you are saying is that there is no point improving facilities to minimise the risk of contamination?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-04/new-quarantine-hub-to-be-built-in-victoria/100189846

https://theconversation.com/this-is-how-we-should-build-and-staff-victorias-new-quarantine-facility-say-two-infection-control-experts-162157

[AlbertM]

very well said Zac

Poor LG

[djr18fan]

Has anyone seen, anywhere in the world, a dedicated quarantine facility, or a design for one, that provides a separate air supply for each room? That guarantees no cross contamination of air? That doesn't rely on staff coming into reasonably close proximity to inmates? That eliminates the potential for staff to ever make a mistake and that arrivals can get to without travelling through an air or sea port or have to be taken to this facility in a bus?

A caravan park? Trained support staff instead of rent-a-cops? Proper PPE?

So what you are saying is that there is no point improving facilities to minimise the risk of contamination?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-04/new-quarantine-hub-to-be-built-in-victoria/100189846

https://theconversation.com/this-is-how-we-should-build-and-staff-victorias-new-quarantine-facility-say-two-infection-control-experts-162157

No. I'm saying is I'm unaware of the ideal facility existing anywhere. Suggesting it's bloody hard to achieve. And the weak point will still be people.

[AlbertM]

People will alway be an X factor. There will never be a totally secure/safe society. it is about lowering the risk as much as possible. Doesn't matter if it hasn't been done before.  At this point any dedicated facility is an easy step up from using hotels.  Easier to limit the spread of the virus, easier to clean, easier to secure, easier to police. Easier to make procedures knowing the facilities are up to the task.

Right now the Federal government is trying to drive home a nail with a rock instead of using a hammer despite there being a hardware store down the block.