COVID-19 discussion

[djr18fan]

Defiantly. Level 4 would be prohibitive in regional areas anyway.

Why? What's different?

[stevo qld]

Quote from: fordman on Today at 08:02:22 AM on another thread.
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The theory of the 80% is we can treat it like the flu, we don't lockdown for the flu. if we go past 80% and state still lockdown there will be a riot. There must be some benefit to being vaccinated.

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Interesting point.

Nursing Homes are asking for proof of Flu injections before entry, but not Covid19 injections.

[AlbertM]

Defiantly. Level 4 would be prohibitive in regional areas anyway.

Why? What's different?

Impossible to limit how far people can travel from their homes. There are localities with no services at all.

[djr18fan]

Defiantly. Level 4 would be prohibitive in regional areas anyway.

Why? What's different?

Impossible to limit how far people can travel from their homes. There are localities with no services at all.

not really. Just make it that you aren't allowed to travel further than necessary to get the essential service required.

[AlbertM]

not really. Just make it that you aren't allowed to travel further than necessary to get the essential service required.

Yeah, really. Not only do we travel 100's of KM's a week in all directions, there are no Police to enforce such restrictions.

[fordman]

this so correct.

The reason we are still in lockdown in Sydney is because of people 😌
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let's review some facts about the last 18 months in Australia :
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn't trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn't trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn't trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and now Sydney and state borders, because we can't trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn't trust people not to take more than what they needed.
8. In Sydney they've had to close down streets, suburbs and freeways with army trucks because people can't be trusted to stay at home. Instead they want to go to beach parties in Newcastle.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated, but essentially it's our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Selfishness, entitlement and a lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself in Australia.
The quicker people start following directions, the quicker this situation will improve and our businesses can start to grow again. 🙏🏼

[LG]

this so correct.

The reason we are still in lockdown in Sydney is because of people 😌
Before we get too hung up on blaming the state govt, or the federal govt, or China for our covid situation let's review some facts about the last 18 months in Australia :
1. We had to bring in mandatory quarantining in hotels, because we couldn't trust people to stay home after returning from overseas.
2. We then had to bring in security, because we couldn't trust people to stay in those hotels.
3. We then had to bring in ADF, because we couldn't trust the security guards not to have sex with those in quarantine in the hotels.
4. We had to get police to door knock and check up on people, because we couldnt trust those who were meant to be self-isolating to actually stay at home.
5. We also have to have police and ADF reinforce the metropolitan melb zone and now Sydney and state borders, because we can't trust people to follow the restrictions.
6. We are now being asked to use masks, because we cannot trust people to social distance when they are in public.
7. Through it all, our supermarkets have had to introduce shopping restrictions because we couldn't trust people not to take more than what they needed.
8. In Sydney they've had to close down streets, suburbs and freeways with army trucks because people can't be trusted to stay at home. Instead they want to go to beach parties in Newcastle.
So we can get as mad as we want at politicians or health officials for imposing restrictions, or the country where the virus originated, but essentially it's our own fault that we find ourselves here.
Selfishness, entitlement and a lack of empathy seems to be as much of a disease as covid itself in Australia.
The quicker people start following directions, the quicker this situation will improve and our businesses can start to grow again. 🙏🏼

Have a look at p21... 

[AlbertM]

Defiantly. Level 4 would be prohibitive in regional areas anyway.

Why? What's different?

Impossible to limit how far people can travel from their homes. There are localities with no services at all.

not really. Just make it that you aren't allowed to travel further than necessary to get the essential service required.

We jinxed it. All of NSW goes to level 4 restrictions 0001 Monday morning.

[stevo qld]

The penalties are far too low and should be doubled for each successive fine incurred by a person.

The NSW Police Commissioner has issued a directive to all officers ordering them not to issue warnings and cautions to people who allegedly breach the state's public health orders, in a move that is likely to result in a steep increase in fines and other penalties across NSW.

In an email to officers obtained by The Australian, senior police advise that the police commissioner had authorised measures that would be implemented as part of Operation Stay at Home 2021, which took effect at 12:01am on Monday.

Officers are being told that if they are considering using discretion to issue a warning or caution they must first seek permission from a superior, a step described by a police source as highly irregular and possibly unprecedented.

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The email emphasises that the request not to issue an on-the-spot penalty will also have to be recorded in police logs for accountability purposes.

"(The) Operation is focused on enforcement of the Public Health Orders and any breach identified should be prosecuted to the letter of the law," the email says.

"Warnings and Cautions during the next few weeks of the operation should be limited and if used will need to be authorised by a Supervisor or Inspector and recorded in the event."

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Comment has been sought from the NSW Police Commissioner.

The NSW Government announced over the weekend that much steeper penalties would be introduced at the request of Police Commissioner Mick Fuller, who has assumed control of managing the state's response to the Covid-19 outbreak.

Breaches of self-isolation rules have been increased at his request from $1000 to $5000, while breaches of two-person outdoor exercise exemptions have risen from $1000 to $3000.

A $5000 penalty will also be issued for lying to a contact tracer or lying on a permit; a $3000 fine has been introduced for breaching entry rules to regional NSW.

The email continues: "The rapid spread of the Coronavirus Delta Variant within New South Wales has out-paced the previously successful strategies used to contain the previous variants of the Coronavirus during the pandemic."

Since the start of the pandemic the NSW Police Force has publicly stressed that its intention has been to educate rather than fine individuals for breaches of the public health orders.

Cases where individuals have been fined or charged have often followed instances where they had received prior warnings. Premier Gladys Berejiklian said on Friday that she was becoming "tired of hearing people saying" that they were confused by health orders, which have been altered dozens of times since the start of the pandemic.

Officers increased their presence at Sydney's beaches and parks over the weekend in preparation for a scale-up of their operations, but they appeared to err on the side of caution when dealing with individuals allegedly in breach of the health orders.

In one instance at Bondi Beach, officers approached a group of men congregating in breach of the exemptions. The men, who were not exercising or purchasing food, were told by the incredulous officers to "at least get a coffee" to justify their reason for being outdoors.

It is behind a paywall so i quoted a lot,
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/nsw-police-instructed-not-to-issue-warnings-or-cautions-when-dealing-with-public-health-order-breaches/news-story/ce2b1ffbda0728428063e2b22a51f22f

[Troy01505]

Hard to believe Coronavirus is talked about on here more then Motorsport but I guess panic, fear and gossip would drive that.

[Bloopy]

Easy to believe. Australian motorsport being on hold would drive that. Agreed about the gossip element to it though.

[Sonic]

Another 2 weeks of lockdown with the bonus prize of 8pm - 5am curfew

This hurts

[Trevor]

Are you surprised Phil, look at the behaviour of the 20 to 40 year olds, it is deplorable.

I went for a walk with my wife yesterday, about 14 cars outside a neighbour's place, new Australian from the middle east, they are just blatantly breaking the rules, so the local police station got a call. Why should we be punished for their behaviour

[Sonic]

Are you surprised Phil, look at the behaviour of the 20 to 40 year olds, it is deplorable.

I went for a walk with my wife yesterday, about 14 cars outside a neighbour's place, new Australian from the middle east, they are just blatantly breaking the rules, so the local police station got a call. Why should we be punished for their behaviour

feel that.

I managed to squeeze in 2 small walks over the weekend to try to get some sun into me. I give up.

[djr18fan]

Hard to believe Coronavirus is talked about on here more then Motorsport but I guess panic, fear and gossip would drive that.

Priorities.
Especially with lockdowns impacting Motorsport.