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Started by Trevor, May 13, 2021, 04:43:39 PM

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murph_fan51

Well there goes the Aus NZ quarantine free travel bubble for a couple of months.

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Ospif1

The PM apologising for his administrations failures with the rollout and Gladys single handedly causing a large outbreak due to not wanting her ego hurt. Two significant blunders costing lives and they'll still keep their jobs. Quite frustrating.

AlbertM

But Gladys only goes off the health advice. Funny how every other States health advice is to introduces lockdowns with a hand full of cases.

163 today with 90 infectious in the community. Getting to zero is going to take months, not weeks, if it even gets to zero at all. Gladys didn't even have to courage to front the press.

Scovid's "apology" is press bait. He's done nothing to rectify his and his party's failures.
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Zac

Speaking of Gladys and health advice: The NSW Chief Health Officer, Dr Kerry Chant has been on call 24/7 for months and working 16-18 hour days six days a week for the past few, and AFAIK, Gladys has been doing pretty much the same. Today she had a morning off. I don't think courage, or any lack of it, had anything to do with missing one press conference.

Troy01505

Quote from: Zac on July 24, 2021, 11:43:41 AM
Speaking of Gladys and health advice: The NSW Chief Health Officer, Dr Kerry Chant has been on call 24/7 for months and working 16-18 hour days six days a week for the past few, and AFAIK, Gladys has been doing pretty much the same. Today she had a morning off. I don't think courage, or any lack of it, had anything to do with missing one press conference.

So they ****ing should be working them hours! They caused the problem and politicians more then enough tax payer and donation funded parties and holidays all logged as working hours!

Zac

I don't quite understand that, but what I can understand I disagree with.

stevo qld

For those who watched the opening ceremony of the Tokyo Olympics 2020 (held 20210):

It was very obvious that a lot of supposedly healthy and responsible athletes did not wear face masks covering their nose and mouth.  >:(

That demonstrated a lack of respect for all the people and organisations that worked so hard to provide this sporting event in a Covid era.

Maybe the organisers should review the tapes and isolate those irresponsible athletes or even send them home.
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LG

The"mob" out in force in Sydney today makes you realise why it's getting so bad down there.
I hope each and every one of them gets it.
They deserve each other.

stevo qld

Sydney 57 charged plus 90 infringement notices and they have a taskforce identifying more.

Labled  "Selfish Boofheads" is several publications.

In the NT the Chief Minister refers to "Melbourne Wankers".

They are handing out $5,000 fines. $1,000 elsewhere is inadequate. They should quarantine in a prison or one of the disused refugee camps.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-24/anti-covid-lockdown-protest-in-sydney-cbd/100320620


QuoteA number of Victorians who allegedly arrived in the Northern Territory illegally have been dubbed "w**kers".

Chief Minister Michael Gunner's harsh words came after six people allegedly provided false information on their Border Entry Form when they arrived in Darwin from Melbourne earlier this week.

Based on information provided to police on July 15, two men, aged 29 and 30, and four women, aged between 29 and 31, had left Victoria and travelled together into South Australia before arriving in the NT on July 20.

However, Victoria was declared a hot spot at the time which meant travellers needed to quarantine for two weeks upon arrival.

Police found the group and removed them from their Darwin accommodation on Wednesday and escorted them to the Howard Springs Quarantine Facility.

Mr Gunner said the group of six were collectively going to be fined about $30,000.

"I'm furious that six w**kers from Melbourne thought they could gamble with Territory lives for a holiday and a wedding," he said.

"Our message is simple — Don't lie. Don't come here if you've been in a hotspot. Don't put Territorians at risk."

Incident Controller Acting Commander Hege Burns said it was "absolutely unacceptable" that the group was willing to put the community at risk because of their "selfish actions".

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/nt-chief-minister-furious-over-covid19-border-breach-by-melbourne-wankers/news-story/9bd8fba65698574e02dc835aceedb552
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mikeamerica84

Quote from: LG on July 24, 2021, 04:27:11 PM
The"mob" out in force in Sydney today makes you realise why it's getting so bad down there.
I hope each and every one of them gets it.
They deserve each other.
As an outsider (a real outsider) I'll play Devil's Advocate here:

To me, like here in the States, the big issue is what is the end game?  What is NSW's end game?  If you are a citizen there and got the vaccination, a.k.a. "The Magic Bullet", and let us say you will even STILL wear a mask in public, what else do you want them to do?  Now because you "obeyed" all of the rules, you are locked down with everyone else?  Well that's great.  Just great.  I am glad I went the extra yard to do this. 

You then start thinking who in charge really does have the big picture, granted it is a moving target.

So what is the end game, gents?  Zero cases - or else?  Masks forever?  The unvaccinated having to wear a scarlet letter on their lapel?  Think long term here.  I know over here in the States, very few people signed up in life here to be told what to do at this level in a free country.  I see the protestors as maybe the tip of an iceberg.

Just a third point of view from the other side of the fences.
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Trevor

What we see here Mike is a vocal minority **** it up for the silent majority

I am not sure anyone, except King Boris of the UK knows what the end game is, mind you the UK has had a HUGE increase in cases since the freeing up of ALL restrictions - so they don't mind if the vulnerable die, just as long as everyone else can go about their lives - nice
I am sick of nit-pickers, looking for mischief where there is none

PHARK IT!!!!!

mikeamerica84

Quote from: Trevor on July 25, 2021, 06:02:40 AM
What we see here Mike is a vocal minority **** it up for the silent majority

I am not sure anyone, except King Boris of the UK knows what the end game is, mind you the UK has had a HUGE increase in cases since the freeing up of ALL restrictions - so they don't mind if the vulnerable die, just as long as everyone else can go about their lives - nice
I don't know where we are going, Trev, but one thing is for sure..... we are going to get there.  Good luck to all of us both here and there and everywhere else.
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djr18fan

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Quote from: mikeamerica84 on July 25, 2021, 02:43:05 AM
Quote from: LG on July 24, 2021, 04:27:11 PM
The"mob" out in force in Sydney today makes you realise why it's getting so bad down there.
I hope each and every one of them gets it.
They deserve each other.
As an outsider (a real outsider) I'll play Devil's Advocate here:

To me, like here in the States, the big issue is what is the end game?  What is NSW's end game?  If you are a citizen there and got the vaccination, a.k.a. "The Magic Bullet", and let us say you will even STILL wear a mask in public, what else do you want them to do?  Now because you "obeyed" all of the rules, you are locked down with everyone else?  Well that's great.  Just great.  I am glad I went the extra yard to do this. 

You then start thinking who in charge really does have the big picture, granted it is a moving target.

So what is the end game, gents?  Zero cases - or else?  Masks forever?  The unvaccinated having to wear a scarlet letter on their lapel?  Think long term here.  I know over here in the States, very few people signed up in life here to be told what to do at this level in a free country.  I see the protestors as maybe the tip of an iceberg.

Just a third point of view from the other side of the fences.

I think the end game is the same in every country.
Life back to how it was prior to the outbreak. Perhaps with people choosing to wear masks (just as they have already done in places with poor air quality) or some change in hygiene practices.
People adapt to illnesses. Safe sex for example.

It requires herd immunity to get to that point. Either through vaccines, or the weak dying and the stronger passing on some level of immunity to future generations.

In the meantime it's a matter of how we get there. Manage the illness until herd immunity is reached, or don't. I don't know of any country that isn't doing something, and in countries that chose to act quickly, doing so appears to have led to a better quality of life, and economy, along the way.
If the virus has not got out of control in a country, then keeping control appears to work and in my opinion is worthwhile.
But if the virus has got out of control then attempts to eradicate seem futile. But actions to limit the number of severely ill so hospitals can try to save some lives is reasonable. A high number of deaths is also bad for an economy.

Ultimately we are just managing illness & death from the virus until there is enough immunity in communities so that illness & death will be at acceptable levels. Just as we do with other illnesses or injury & death from motor vehicle accidents, firearms etc.

mikeamerica84

Well said as usual, djr.

Man...... what a balancing act.
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AlbertM

Quote from: Zac on July 24, 2021, 11:43:41 AM
Speaking of Gladys and health advice: The NSW Chief Health Officer, Dr Kerry Chant has been on call 24/7 for months and working 16-18 hour days six days a week for the past few, and AFAIK, Gladys has been doing pretty much the same. Today she had a morning off. I don't think courage, or any lack of it, had anything to do with missing one press conference.

No, Gladys does not get a pass. She played politics and lost and does not deserve a break for this outbreak she compounded. Gladys still uses language in pressers to cover her political backside instead of being clear and precise.
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