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Re: Does the Mustang hold up during race distance
« Reply #105 on: July 03, 2022, 10:23:19 PM »
If any thing he has given credit to the theory that Mustang doesn't look after it's tyres as good as ZB. Everyone was in the same heat, tyre pressures yet 4 fresh tyres couldn't out run 4 shagged ones.

In the Saturday race, SVG on 3 fresh tyres couldn't pass Davison who only took 2 and earlier than SVG, and had to settle for 3rd.

And there was no safety car to help Davison, let alone Anton who galloped away in the lead on stuffed tyres.
SVG took 3 tyres and came back to 3rd from 8th. Didn't get passed Davison because the race ended.

The only cars SVG passed after his pit stop were zb's (who were unable to go the distance). SVG was right behind Davison at the end of lap 35 and spent 3 more laps unable to overtake him. Wilbur pulled away from SVG on the penultimate lap.
And SVG took that time back on the last lap. If the race didn't end SVG would have had Will.
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Re: Does the Mustang hold up during race distance
« Reply #106 on: July 03, 2022, 10:29:06 PM »
They said that with the increased tyre pressures the tyres went off quickly if following close behind, djr18fan.
That could easily explain why SVG couldn't pass Davo near the end.
it's not djrfan you should be directing that to, he's not the one in denial about how racing works and the difficulty of passing even with fresher tyres.
So you know how racing works? You lot explained SVG's exceptional speed at SMP was because he took fresher tyres, therefore he was able to go harder. Pass several cars and clear off to a 30sec lead in as many laps.

So which is it?  :o
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Re: Does the Mustang hold up during race distance
« Reply #107 on: July 04, 2022, 12:24:46 AM »
They said that with the increased tyre pressures the tyres went off quickly if following close behind, djr18fan.
That could easily explain why SVG couldn't pass Davo near the end.
it's not djrfan you should be directing that to, he's not the one in denial about how racing works and the difficulty of passing even with fresher tyres.
So you know how racing works? You lot explained SVG's exceptional speed at SMP was because he took fresher tyres, therefore he was able to go harder. Pass several cars and clear off to a 30sec lead in as many laps.

So which is it?  :o

Surely this comment is a piss take!

Raising minimum tyre pressures has also been highlighted numerous times. Drivers were complaining all weekend that their tyres were useless when following for more then a couple of laps

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Re: Does the Mustang hold up during race distance
« Reply #108 on: July 04, 2022, 05:11:51 AM »
If any thing he has given credit to the theory that Mustang doesn't look after it's tyres as good as ZB. Everyone was in the same heat, tyre pressures yet 4 fresh tyres couldn't out run 4 shagged ones.

In the Saturday race, SVG on 3 fresh tyres couldn't pass Davison who only took 2 and earlier than SVG, and had to settle for 3rd.

And there was no safety car to help Davison, let alone Anton who galloped away in the lead on stuffed tyres.
SVG took 3 tyres and came back to 3rd from 8th. Didn't get passed Davison because the race ended.

The only cars SVG passed after his pit stop were zb's (who were unable to go the distance). SVG was right behind Davison at the end of lap 35 and spent 3 more laps unable to overtake him. Wilbur pulled away from SVG on the penultimate lap.
And SVG took that time back on the last lap. If the race didn't end SVG would have had Will.

Better change the topic name to Can the Mustang hold up for longer than a race distance.

No. Shane would not have passed Davison. Or then gone on to catch and pass Anton on lap 350. But Mostert would have been overtaken by a Mustang or 2 if the 2nd Sunday race hadn't ended when it did.

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Re: Does the Mustang hold up during race distance
« Reply #109 on: July 05, 2022, 04:34:23 PM »
I'll be honest I haven't read the last 3 pages of (probably) dribble but I did think that, while the cars may be quite similar, I wonder if the Mustangs front tyres heat up more. We've seen a number of late safety cars bringing the leader back on old tyres, and at least twice, a Mustang on significantly fresher tyres has not been able to make a pass.

The only car that did was a ZB. And the one that stayed ahead was a ZB (Van Gis at Perth on Courtney (Davo then couldn't pass) and Mostert and DePas at Darwin).

So perhaps the Mustangs just heat up the tyres faster?

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Re: Does the Mustang hold up during race distance
« Reply #110 on: July 07, 2022, 12:13:59 PM »
They said that with the increased tyre pressures the tyres went off quickly if following close behind, djr18fan.
That could easily explain why SVG couldn't pass Davo near the end.
it's not djrfan you should be directing that to, he's not the one in denial about how racing works and the difficulty of passing even with fresher tyres.
So you know how racing works? You lot explained SVG's exceptional speed at SMP was because he took fresher tyres, therefore he was able to go harder. Pass several cars and clear off to a 30sec lead in as many laps.

So which is it?  :o

Surely this comment is a piss take!

Raising minimum tyre pressures has also been highlighted numerous times. Drivers were complaining all weekend that their tyres were useless when following for more then a couple of laps
Yet Mostert held off 4 fresher tyres after pitting on lap 9 of 38. 29 laps is more than a "couple of laps". You're saying ADP tyres were shot in a couple of laps yet Mostert lasted much longer. Thereby proving evidence that Mustang is using it tyres up faster than ZB.  :)

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Re: Does the Mustang hold up during race distance
« Reply #111 on: July 07, 2022, 12:26:22 PM »
If any thing he has given credit to the theory that Mustang doesn't look after it's tyres as good as ZB. Everyone was in the same heat, tyre pressures yet 4 fresh tyres couldn't out run 4 shagged ones.

In the Saturday race, SVG on 3 fresh tyres couldn't pass Davison who only took 2 and earlier than SVG, and had to settle for 3rd.

And there was no safety car to help Davison, let alone Anton who galloped away in the lead on stuffed tyres.
SVG took 3 tyres and came back to 3rd from 8th. Didn't get passed Davison because the race ended.

The only cars SVG passed after his pit stop were zb's (who were unable to go the distance). SVG was right behind Davison at the end of lap 35 and spent 3 more laps unable to overtake him. Wilbur pulled away from SVG on the penultimate lap.
And SVG took that time back on the last lap. If the race didn't end SVG would have had Will.

Better change the topic name to Can the Mustang hold up for longer than a race distance.

No. Shane would not have passed Davison. Or then gone on to catch and pass Anton on lap 350. But Mostert would have been overtaken by a Mustang or 2 if the 2nd Sunday race hadn't ended when it did.
Why not? SVG was consistently faster than Will. I never said he would have caught ADP. You can't say ADP would have had Mostert but SVG wouldn't have had Will if the race didn't end.
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Re: Does the Mustang hold up during race distance
« Reply #112 on: July 09, 2022, 09:50:14 AM »
If there was an inherent issue with tyre longevity on Mustangs then it would be obvious.

You wouldn't have to cherry pick only a couple or few races out of all races to try to make a point; and you wouldn't have to talk about the speed of SVG and sometimes Chaz to try to make a point - not withstanding variables such as passing or traffic, you'd be able to show on Natsoft how every Mustang loses time relative to every Commodore in the later stages of every race at every event (or after a certain number of laps).

Of course that is over-simplifying - does not take into account things like different set-ups, different driving styles, different strategies, driving to a number early in a stint in interests of tyre preservation, clean air, and all the other factors that are being ignored which could also explain why one or two drivers/teams are besting one or two other drivers/teams - sometimes
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Re: Does the Mustang hold up during race distance
« Reply #113 on: July 09, 2022, 12:43:59 PM »
If there was an inherent issue with tyre longevity on Mustangs then it would be obvious.

You wouldn't have to cherry pick only a couple or few races out of all races to try to make a point; and you wouldn't have to talk about the speed of SVG and sometimes Chaz to try to make a point - not withstanding variables such as passing or traffic, you'd be able to show on Natsoft how every Mustang loses time relative to every Commodore in the later stages of every race at every event (or after a certain number of laps).

Of course that is over-simplifying - does not take into account things like different set-ups, different driving styles, different strategies, driving to a number early in a stint in interests of tyre preservation, clean air, and all the other factors that are being ignored which could also explain why one or two drivers/teams are besting one or two other drivers/teams - sometimes
Hidden Valley would have highlighted it very clearly given the track temps and increased minimum pressures, exacerbating the challenge of managing tyre wear.  And yet, they dominated the weekend in every metric as I posed on the previous page, even with only making up 36% of the grid.  There's no issue.  It's all down to the driver and team on the day.
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Re: Does the Mustang hold up during race distance
« Reply #114 on: July 09, 2022, 01:08:00 PM »
If there was an inherent issue with tyre longevity on Mustangs then it would be obvious.

You wouldn't have to cherry pick only a couple or few races out of all races to try to make a point; and you wouldn't have to talk about the speed of SVG and sometimes Chaz to try to make a point - not withstanding variables such as passing or traffic, you'd be able to show on Natsoft how every Mustang loses time relative to every Commodore in the later stages of every race at every event (or after a certain number of laps).

Of course that is over-simplifying - does not take into account things like different set-ups, different driving styles, different strategies, driving to a number early in a stint in interests of tyre preservation, clean air, and all the other factors that are being ignored which could also explain why one or two drivers/teams are besting one or two other drivers/teams - sometimes

Obvious like ZB's ability to run down Mustang, make the pass and clear off?

You make a very valid point. Unfortunately it is not actually about the little factors or how racing works. It all bout the Holden v Ford. There are several that have argued Mustang has an advantage and use one race to 'prove' it. They have also bickered, traded insults...No one bats an eye. I mention  ZB has an advantage and everyone loses it.  8)
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Re: Does the Mustang hold up during race distance
« Reply #115 on: July 09, 2022, 04:51:32 PM »
FFS, build a bridge!! With less than half a session to go with the current cars, there is no parity adjustment coming. Why keep taking about?

This topic is going around in circles & a complete waste of time.. Close it.

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Re: Does the Mustang hold up during race distance
« Reply #116 on: July 09, 2022, 08:06:00 PM »
FFS, build a bridge!! With less than half a session to go with the current cars, there is no parity adjustment coming. Why keep taking about?

This topic is going around in circles & a complete waste of time.. Close it.
The ironic twist is, it was you and a couple of others that revived this thread when it died in April.

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Re: Does the Mustang hold up during race distance
« Reply #117 on: July 09, 2022, 08:23:52 PM »
Waters Mustang held up better than Heimgartners zb. Caught and passed him.

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Re: Does the Mustang hold up during race distance
« Reply #118 on: July 09, 2022, 08:33:10 PM »
Waters Mustang held up better than Heimgartners zb. Caught and passed him.
Begs the question what is BJR ZB doing, playing with the top runners like that.  ;)

We better stop. Poor Joe will have another fit. He'd be already upset with Frosty finishing stone dead last, 19 laps down.
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