New GM Homologation Team

[AlbertM]

They are taking the next 3 years, surely if they are staying for 3 more years, they wont keep the camaro for 3 years? This should mean it's much more than just small chnages to current camaro. I'm lost as to who can take this job on!! However, did anyone think GRM could do Volvo before that come along?

My money is on Grove.. Is the old Kelly stuff they used during the Nissan days still around in that team? Side note, what is needed anyway?

3 years including this year. So it can only be an existing GM team.

[TheArrow]

GM also has nothing in the works to replace the Camaro as a road car, and have not made any indication that they will develop anything.

And it's safe to assume that will be the same for the various race Camaros they have around the world. We've heard this said a fair bit since they announced the end of Camaro production, but whatever they announce as the replacement for the Camaro NASCAR Cup car will likely be what comes for Supercars.

I can't see there being a long term future for the Camaro and/or GM for the rest of this decade and probably into the early stages of next decade. I predicted in another thread, by 2027/2028 we will see Supercars being Ford vs Toyota.

But we're getting off topic...

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[hsv8fan]

Aren't GM going down the Electric route?

[Troy01505]

Another possibility but maybe no one wants the gig.

GM don't offer much cash and chances are, they are not hanging around after 2027. Even if they do, who would want to homologate a car with bugger all funding and a possible panel?

Maybe we will watch them fall to the rear of grid in their current form whilst Toyota and Mustangs blossom year on year

[stevo qld]

Initial expectations were that T8 would do the aero and current Chevrolet engine supplier KRE Race Engines would take over the Ford V8 engine supply from Motorsport Powertrains.

However it now appears to not be that simple.

While Ford and T8 have both given their blessing to KRE running both the Ford and Chevrolet engine programs concurrently, Speedcafe believes that GM strongly opposes the idea.

That leaves uncertainty over the future of the Ford engine supply with a number of options being touted around the paddock if the KRE/Ford/GM stand-off can't be resolved.

Among them are the ongoing utilisation of the current Motorsport Powertrains facility, whether managed by DJR, Triple Eight or another party.

The dilemma is a fresh one for Supercars given that the sole engine supplier system was only introduced for Gen3.

https://speedcafe.com/supercars-news-stand-off-ford-engine-supply-triple-eight-djr/



And adding to the mix, Roland Dane is said to be working with Premiair along with a heap of talented wx-888 Engineers.

How about PremiAir as a wildcard. There appears to be financial resources, and all the other things can be obtained.

There is no need for the Homologation Team to actually build customer cars and there is a first-class chassis shop just down the road.

Employing a few top-notch engineers is the main requirement.

[skaifeman]

I reckon Dane at PremiAir shows their intentions  .

[stevo qld]

Just a quick snapshot. it costs about $15,000 per 400 metre run in a AA Fueler such as PremiAir run.

Supercars seem cheap to a well-financed organization and Homologation Team costs fade in comparison. PremiAir are definitely financial enough to be a GM Homologation Team.

https://performancegarage.com.au/news/what-does-10-000hp-cost/

[AlbertM]

Quite telling that no team has declared any desire to become the GM homologation team. GM have announced a 3 year homologation team deal is available through to the end of 2027. Yet they have just announced only a 1 year extension to Supercars, through the end of 2026. Doesn't inspire confidence for a team to tool up.

GM are also whining about KRE taking on the Ford engine. Saying something about their long term relationship with Ken. Funny that. KRE had to put the engine together from the parts bin for the Camaro as GM didn't offer anything.

[stevo qld]

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GM are also whining about KRE taking on the Ford engine. Saying something about their long term relationship with Ken. Funny that. KRE had to put the engine together from the parts bin for the Camaro as GM didn't offer anything.

Isn't it great to have a Forumite with extensive insider information to elucidate the less connected.

[AlbertM]

Isn't it. Roland Dane was generous to share.

[skaifeman]

Quite telling that no team has declared any desire to become the GM homologation team. GM have announced a 3 year homologation team deal is available through to the end of 2027. Yet they have just announced only a 1 year extension to Supercars, through the end of 2026. Doesn't inspire confidence for a team to tool up.

GM are also whining about KRE taking on the Ford engine. Saying something about their long term relationship with Ken. Funny that. KRE had to put the engine together from the parts bin for the Camaro as GM didn't offer anything.

Both PremiAir and MSR have publicly made statements about remaining with GM. Brad Jones has also shown interest via videos on social media.
Reading between the lines, I'd say they're all (at least the above) trying to get in the GM board room.

GM were pushed into the direction of the parts bin due to Ford not wanting a 6.2L. I also believe the category wanted to keep the ci somewhat close as to slow down any parity complaints (we all know how that turned out regardless).

But hey, that's just Roland's story .

[stevo qld]

Isn't it. Roland Dane was generous to share.

I am so happy that Roland shares with you!

Since Roland did not control the engine development, KRE might differ as they have a long-term association with Chev.
Possibly though, Kenny has also taken the trouble to personally contact you.

Rolands alleged absolute "nothing" may require a bit of massaging when historic events are examined.

Some entity was paying the bills and providing liaison and Intellectual property, I doubt it was Roland. 888 Engineering is a business, not a charity.

[AlbertM]

Quite telling that no team has declared any desire to become the GM homologation team. GM have announced a 3 year homologation team deal is available through to the end of 2027. Yet they have just announced only a 1 year extension to Supercars, through the end of 2026. Doesn't inspire confidence for a team to tool up.

GM are also whining about KRE taking on the Ford engine. Saying something about their long term relationship with Ken. Funny that. KRE had to put the engine together from the parts bin for the Camaro as GM didn't offer anything.

Both PremiAir and MSR have publicly made statements about remaining with GM. Brad Jones has also shown interest via videos on social media.
Reading between the lines, I'd say they're all (at least the above) trying to get in the GM board room.

Grove declaring they are staying with Ford for now is also a bid for homologation duties? Teams will be affirming where they stand with 888 switching back to Ford and Toyota coming in. Bit of a stretch to say they want to be the homologation team. 

GM were pushed into the direction of the parts bin due to Ford not wanting a 6.2L. I also believe the category wanted to keep the ci somewhat close as to slow down any parity complaints (we all know how that turned out regardless).

But hey, that's just Roland's story .

So... Supercars knock the 6.2 on the head then?

[AlbertM]

Isn't it. Roland Dane was generous to share.

I am so happy that Roland shares with you!

Since Roland did not control the engine development, KRE might differ as they have a long-term association with Chev.
Possibly though, Kenny has also taken the trouble to personally contact you.

Rolands alleged absolute "nothing" may require a bit of massaging when historic events are examined.

Some entity was paying the bills and providing liaison and Intellectual property, I doubt it was Roland. 888 Engineering is a business, not a charity.

Tell me you're not reading the news, without telling me you're not reading the news.

[skaifeman]

GM were pushed into the direction of the parts bin due to Ford not wanting a 6.2L. I also believe the category wanted to keep the ci somewhat close as to slow down any parity complaints (we all know how that turned out regardless).

But hey, that's just Roland's story .

So... Supercars knock the 6.2 on the head then?

Only after Ford whined about the 6.2L, as Roland so generously shared.