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Started by Trevor, May 13, 2021, 04:42:48 PM

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Alan59

Quote from: madbugger on February 22, 2022, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: Alan59 on February 22, 2022, 07:44:16 PM
Quote from: madbugger on February 10, 2022, 07:17:25 PM
Quote from: Trevor on February 10, 2022, 10:57:32 AM
Quote from: madbugger on February 10, 2022, 07:42:27 AM
Which raises another problem with Australian politics. Independent members are relatively ineffective unless they hold the balance of power. I live in Indi, which has had an independent for the last 3 terms. Previously it was a very safe Liberal seat which was so safe the leadership decided they needed to spend very little money in the seat as it was unnecessary.

Now they spend even less. They will announce major funding packages as an election draws near, which are usually dependant on the seat being returned to the Libs, if an independent gets in the funds dry up or are withheld.

Having said that, the 2 independents we have had for the last 3 terms are very much like empty vessels, they make a lot of noise but achieve nothing while blaming others for their failure to achieve something
but you have to happy Sophie has gone surely.  I thought the first term of Cathy was OK as she had some power.  The way she ran her initial election run set a standard by which our blue ribbon State seat went to an Independent.

We have been putting up with zero funding State and Federally for years - **** blue ribbon seats

I am in the neighbouring electorate of Nicholls. Looks like our sitting NP member has decided to pull the pin - I hope he ****s off back over to the West to continue his footy coaching - he did **** all for us

At least Sophie was able to achieve some things for the electorate, Kathy was about as effective as an ashtray on a motorbike, and now Helen is even more ineffective.
You mean she was able to get you a ride on the pork barrel train?Although that is the way things have run for a long time it shows the pressing need for an anti corruption commission.
Whoever the local member is has no bearing on the needs of the electorate which should be the only basis funding is decided on.

Nope, that is not what I meant at all
I meant Sophie was able to get you on the pork barrel express.Whatever she was able to do she was beyond horrible and an example of the extreme right in the Coalition.

stevo qld

With all the flooding around, I watched channel 7 news tonight. There seemed to be a lot of Clive's UAP adverts, apparently anti both sides.

I wondered what he will do with preference direction on "How to Vote" cards, bearing in mind that regardless of media hysteria, vote preferences belong to the voter, not the parties.

It seems, at this time that he might direct preferences, in all cases, against the sitting member.

I would like that to happen as politicians are like babies' nappies.

Both should be frequently changed and for the same reason.
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Alan59

In the last election Palmer said the result was mission accomplished for him even though he didn't get anyone elected.He said the aim was always to keep Labor out of government as the Coalition would be more inclined to have mining and taxation policies that would benefit him .
The same will eventually apply this time.Everything else now is just smoke and mirrors.
The only freedom that hypocrite cares about is the freedom not to pay taxes or his employees entitlements.

stevo qld

You might be right Alan.

Clearly China supports an Albo win. There are only two possibilities and China does not want ScoMo. So clearly Albo is their preference for PM. The Chinese Government owned [aper has stated so.

On the other hand, Clive is mightily pissed off at China and he will probably come out against China's clear preference.
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Trevor

If you have Facebook this is worth a watch

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Alan59

Quote from: stevo qld on February 23, 2022, 10:21:19 PM
You might be right Alan.

Clearly China supports an Albo win. There are only two possibilities and China does not want ScoMo. So clearly Albo is their preference for PM. The Chinese Government owned [aper has stated so.

On the other hand, Clive is mightily pissed off at China and he will probably come out against China's clear preference.
"China supports an Albo win" is just Coalition/News Ltd trolling.China couldn't give a stuff who wins the next election.The policies of both parties are the same with regards to China.The China Times article everyone is pointing to was written by an Australian with no ties to either political party.
The only change might be a medium to long term back down from the drums of war hysterical nonsense that Dutton has been spewing.
With Palmer he doesn't look further than his personal wealth.Everything is about maximising that.

stevo qld

Alan, China clearly is at odds with the Morrison Government. Naturally they want them out and that leaves only one alternative, the ALP.

It doesn't hurt that the ALP is a fellow socialist organisation.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
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Trevor

Quote from: stevo qld on February 24, 2022, 09:49:44 AM
Alan, China clearly is at odds with the Morrison Government. Naturally they want them out and that leaves only one alternative, the ALP.

It doesn't hurt that the ALP is a fellow socialist organisation.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
there is a BIG difference between 'socialism' and 'communism', to suggest they are the same is drawing a very long bow and will no doubt raise the heckles of some, including me
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Alan59

Quote from: stevo qld on February 24, 2022, 09:49:44 AM
Alan, China clearly is at odds with the Morrison Government. Naturally they want them out and that leaves only one alternative, the ALP.

It doesn't hurt that the ALP is a fellow socialist organisation.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
China is at odds with every democratic country in the world.
If you really think the Australian Labor Party is a "fellow organisation" with the Chinese Communist Party you have moved far from reality.Not even the Murdoch nutters go that far.

stevo qld

Trevor. i did not suggest that Socialism is Communism.

However Communism is a form of Socialism and the enemy of Capitalism.

Might I add that in my long association with the Union Movement, I have met many Communist Party card carrying fellow conference attendees who were also active as members in Unions and in the ALP movement and generally very nice people.

The fact is that although there is a big difference between China (Communist) and the ALP (Socialist), there is an even bigger difference between China (Communist) and the Morrison Government which is regarded by many as a Capitalist Government.

Regardless, I will be voting for my local ALP candidate.


PS: Have Murdoch detractors bothered to read the Australian, which also carries many anti-Morrison stories and columnists and feature writers? If I remember correctly, the Murdock Press ahs come out very strongly, in the past, for the election of candidates such as Kevin Rudd.

Just a personal opinion, but I think Lachlan will conduct a purge of Newspapers when Rupert passes. The Newspapers are often low profit or even loss making, and probably not worth the time and effort of senior executives. There will be few, if any, potential buyers if Fairfax is anything to go by. The frequent criticism of Murdoch monopoly newspapers in some cities, e.g. Brisbane, which can be easily solved by closing the Courier Mail newspaper and selling the increasingly expensive real estate.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/socialism-vs-communism/
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Trevor

I really struggle to see SloMo and Co as Capitalist, they are the most left Liberal Government in a very long term, hell, most of their policies could come straight from the ALP

Trump was a capitalist
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Alan59

Quote from: Trevor on February 24, 2022, 12:54:21 PM
I really struggle to see SloMo and Co as Capitalist, they are the most left Liberal Government in a very long term, hell, most of their policies could come straight from the ALP

Trump was a capitalist
Morrison government is right wing populist with a mission to redistribute wealth towards companies and the top 15% of the population.
For the former they constantly bang the drum that they can prevent economic and social change.Their lies about cost and reliability of renewal energy a case in point.As Andrew Forrest said the other day is that a major difference between Angus Taylor and God is that "God doesn't think he's Angus Taylor".
As for the latter consider the way they have blocked all the reforms recommended by the Banking Royal Commission and how ,unlike similar schemes everywhere else in the world, they didn't allow for real time disclosure of who got Job Keeper money and why they deliberately didn't put in any claw back mechanism for firms whose profit didn't decrease as a result of Covid.

coyote302

Quote from: Alan59 on February 24, 2022, 10:41:09 AM
Quote from: stevo qld on February 24, 2022, 09:49:44 AM
Alan, China clearly is at odds with the Morrison Government. Naturally they want them out and that leaves only one alternative, the ALP.

It doesn't hurt that the ALP is a fellow socialist organisation.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
China is at odds with every democratic country in the world.
If you really think the Australian Labor Party is a "fellow organisation" with the Chinese Communist Party you have moved far from reality.Not even the Murdoch nutters go that far.

Really? What about Sam Dastyari?

What about

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/sep/18/nsw-labor-forfeits-100000-allegedly-donated-by-chinese-billionaire-in-aldi-shopping-bag

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-s-tony-burke-accepted-30-000-from-china-linked-businessman-after-asio-party-warnings-20180201-p4yz7q.html

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/former-nsw-mp-engaged-in-serious-corrupt-conduct-over-chinese-friends-of-labor-donation-says-icac/news-story/e2260b4947f8b64bf352f0da8fef9b4a
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AlbertM

LNP literally has a member of the CCP as a sitting MP. We've had current and former LNP leaders praising China.

The latest "china bad" rhetoric from the LNP is just electioneering. "The Red's are under your bed and they are coming for you".

The weak minded fall for it. While China has one of the worst humanitarian records, we must do business with them, they buy our resources, our living standard is propped up by Chinese goods.
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coyote302

Quote from: AlbertM on March 06, 2022, 11:34:35 AM
LNP literally has a member of the CCP as a sitting MP. We've had current and former LNP leaders praising China.

The latest "china bad" rhetoric from the LNP is just electioneering. "The Red's are under your bed and they are coming for you".

The weak minded fall for it. While China has one of the worst humanitarian records, we must do business with them, they buy our resources, our living standard is propped up by Chinese goods.

Can you back up your accusation about a LNP member? Or are you just trying to distract from the facts I posted?

Of course China want a Labor/Greens federal government in Australia.
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