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Started by Trevor, May 13, 2021, 04:42:48 PM

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Trevor

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Quote from: coyote302 on March 08, 2022, 09:57:24 AM
geez calm down mate, we have drifted from the Communism is the extreme form of Socialism statement.

Seems like you need a reminder: take a chill pill and read this

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

Don't come that "calm down mate" **** with me, you ****ing throw hand-grenades and then go missing with answers to my questions.  You, like all the others before you cannot refute what I have posted so you continually divert away

I am wasting my energy responding to you because you have nothing, zip, zero, ****-all
I am sick of nit-pickers, looking for mischief where there is none

PHARK IT!!!!!

coyote302

Quote from: Trevor on March 08, 2022, 10:58:29 AM
Quote from: coyote302 on March 08, 2022, 09:57:24 AM
geez calm down mate, we have drifted from the Communism is the extreme form of Socialism statement.

Seems like you need a reminder: take a chill pill and read this

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

Don't come that "calm down mate" **** with me, you ****ing throw hand-grenades and then go missing with answers to my questions.  You, like all the others before you cannot refute what I have posted so you continually divert away

I am wasting my energy responding to you because you have nothing, zip, zero, ****-all

Again, calm down, I will address your questions, again

Labor Greens alliance, in 2010 Labor formed an alliance with the Greens to secure their one and only seat in the house of reps

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-09-01/greens-labor-seal-deal/966044

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6978568/a-coalition-is-the-best-option-for-labor-and-the-greens/

That covers proof of previous Labor Greens alliances

And now to address these gems

In case you missed it Australia has been a socialist country for 60 or 70 years.  Lets talk about Howard and all the socialist policies he introduced to get the middle class vote that he needed to keep in power
1. Baby bonus
2. Subsidised child care for middle income earners
3. Gun laws

just to name 3

You have taken your fair share of Socialist Government handouts in your time
1. PBS on your medicines
2. Medicare to pay your doctors bills and to give you free hospital care
3. Subsidised child care
4. Employer provided Superannuation contributions
5. Hell I reckon you even spent the $500 hat Kevin 07 gave you, I doubt you sent it back

I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully



The above points are not pure socialist, if they were there would be no private health and the government would run all childcare. I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully.


Australia is not socialist, it is a Liberal Democracy. See below for explanations if you are confused

https://australianpolitics.com/democracy/key-terms/liberal-democracy

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism


Hope this clears things up
 

I live to trigger woke snowflakes

Trevor

Quote from: coyote302 on March 08, 2022, 09:43:00 PM
Again, calm down, I will address your questions, again

Labor Greens alliance, in 2010 Labor formed an alliance with the Greens to secure their one and only seat in the house of reps

That covers proof of previous Labor Greens alliances
I never ever denied that Labor used Adam Bandt in the Lower House, the same as Abbott would have had he been able to sway all 4 people needed to run Government - jesus I said as much 3 times above - but they used ONE Green, not the whole Party - you lot carry on as if it is a bad thing.

Tell me who many times have the Libs got into bed with the Greens in the Lower House this term, and how many time have the Libs got into bed with the Greens in the Upper House in the last 10 plus years?  Please research that



Quote from: coyote302 on March 08, 2022, 09:43:00 PMAnd now to address these gems

In case you missed it Australia has been a socialist country for 60 or 70 years.  Lets talk about Howard and all the socialist policies he introduced to get the middle class vote that he needed to keep in power
1. Baby bonus
2. Subsidised child care for middle income earners
3. Gun laws

just to name 3

You have taken your fair share of Socialist Government handouts in your time
1. PBS on your medicines
2. Medicare to pay your doctors bills and to give you free hospital care
3. Subsidised child care
4. Employer provided Superannuation contributions
5. Hell I reckon you even spent the $500 hat Kevin 07 gave you, I doubt you sent it back

I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully



The above points are not pure socialist, if they were there would be no private health and the government would run all childcare. I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully.


Australia is not socialist, it is a Liberal Democracy. See below for explanations if you are confused

https://australianpolitics.com/democracy/key-terms/liberal-democracy

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism


Hope this clears things up

what you are quoting is Communism, not Socialism, get your facts rights
I am sick of nit-pickers, looking for mischief where there is none

PHARK IT!!!!!

coyote302

Quote from: Trevor on March 09, 2022, 05:50:09 AM
Quote from: coyote302 on March 08, 2022, 09:43:00 PM
Again, calm down, I will address your questions, again

Labor Greens alliance, in 2010 Labor formed an alliance with the Greens to secure their one and only seat in the house of reps

That covers proof of previous Labor Greens alliances
I never ever denied that Labor used Adam Bandt in the Lower House, the same as Abbott would have had he been able to sway all 4 people needed to run Government - jesus I said as much 3 times above - but they used ONE Green, not the whole Party - you lot carry on as if it is a bad thing.

Tell me who many times have the Libs got into bed with the Greens in the Lower House this term, and how many time have the Libs got into bed with the Greens in the Upper House in the last 10 plus years?  Please research that



Quote from: coyote302 on March 08, 2022, 09:43:00 PMAnd now to address these gems

In case you missed it Australia has been a socialist country for 60 or 70 years.  Lets talk about Howard and all the socialist policies he introduced to get the middle class vote that he needed to keep in power
1. Baby bonus
2. Subsidised child care for middle income earners
3. Gun laws

just to name 3

You have taken your fair share of Socialist Government handouts in your time
1. PBS on your medicines
2. Medicare to pay your doctors bills and to give you free hospital care
3. Subsidised child care
4. Employer provided Superannuation contributions
5. Hell I reckon you even spent the $500 hat Kevin 07 gave you, I doubt you sent it back

I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully



The above points are not pure socialist, if they were there would be no private health and the government would run all childcare. I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully.


Australia is not socialist, it is a Liberal Democracy. See below for explanations if you are confused

https://australianpolitics.com/democracy/key-terms/liberal-democracy

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism


Hope this clears things up

what you are quoting is Communism, not Socialism, get your facts rights

For the third time I will post this link. This is the definition of Socialism, what is in this link is factual.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism



I live to trigger woke snowflakes

Alan59

Quote from: coyote302 on March 09, 2022, 07:15:31 PM
Quote from: Trevor on March 09, 2022, 05:50:09 AM
Quote from: coyote302 on March 08, 2022, 09:43:00 PM
Again, calm down, I will address your questions, again

Labor Greens alliance, in 2010 Labor formed an alliance with the Greens to secure their one and only seat in the house of reps

That covers proof of previous Labor Greens alliances
I never ever denied that Labor used Adam Bandt in the Lower House, the same as Abbott would have had he been able to sway all 4 people needed to run Government - jesus I said as much 3 times above - but they used ONE Green, not the whole Party - you lot carry on as if it is a bad thing.

Tell me who many times have the Libs got into bed with the Greens in the Lower House this term, and how many time have the Libs got into bed with the Greens in the Upper House in the last 10 plus years?  Please research that



Quote from: coyote302 on March 08, 2022, 09:43:00 PMAnd now to address these gems

In case you missed it Australia has been a socialist country for 60 or 70 years.  Lets talk about Howard and all the socialist policies he introduced to get the middle class vote that he needed to keep in power
1. Baby bonus
2. Subsidised child care for middle income earners
3. Gun laws

just to name 3

You have taken your fair share of Socialist Government handouts in your time
1. PBS on your medicines
2. Medicare to pay your doctors bills and to give you free hospital care
3. Subsidised child care
4. Employer provided Superannuation contributions
5. Hell I reckon you even spent the $500 hat Kevin 07 gave you, I doubt you sent it back

I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully



The above points are not pure socialist, if they were there would be no private health and the government would run all childcare. I could go on, but hopefully you get my point, I doubt it, but hopefully.


Australia is not socialist, it is a Liberal Democracy. See below for explanations if you are confused

https://australianpolitics.com/democracy/key-terms/liberal-democracy

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism


Hope this clears things up

what you are quoting is Communism, not Socialism, get your facts rights

For the third time I will post this link. This is the definition of Socialism, what is in this link is factual.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
You do realise your simplistic labelling of things as socialism ,capitalism,liberal democracy etc is a nonsensical way to differentiate between different political parties in Australia don't you?
You do realise how many times the Coalition has had to rely on and by your definition enter into a coalition with Hanson in the Senate to get bills passed don't you?
Now run along and vote for Palmer or Hanson which is where your paranoia is heading.

Trevor

Quote from: coyote302 on March 09, 2022, 07:15:31 PMFor the third time I will post this link. This is the definition of Socialism, what is in this link is factual.
and for the last time you have refused to answer my questions, because in your heart you know I am right

You are a borderline troll and not man enough to man up when you are wrong, you just keep diverting

Enjoy what time you have left with SloMo & Co
I am sick of nit-pickers, looking for mischief where there is none

PHARK IT!!!!!

Trevor

Speaking of SloMo & Co, they can't do much right can they.  I see that they are under fire AGAIN for their poor response efforts, this time for flood victims

This is what happens when you spend too much time navel gazing and focusing on irrelevant issues when the place is hit by another natural disaster - this Government really has no idea.  He is stuck in the NSW Libs back pocket and so they dragged them under the bus with them, coz NSW Libs have been poor performers too
I am sick of nit-pickers, looking for mischief where there is none

PHARK IT!!!!!

AlbertM

Gillard entered into an agreement with one Green MP to count on his vote for supply. Every piece of legislation still had to be negotiated with the green MP and 2 other independent MPs (former nats) to be passed. Should note that Gillard never lost a vote on the floor while passing the most legislation in history.

Unlike the Coalition the Nats just vote the same as if they are one party with the LNP. And while holding majority have lost votes on the floor while passing the least amount of legislation in history.
Ford Faithful

stevo qld

One should remember that in most cases, the Government parties and the Oppositions parties all vote for legislation.

The difference is that Lib, LNP and NAT MPs are allowed to cross the floor and vote against a coalition bill.

On the other hand, labor MP's who vote against Labor, are chucked out of the party.

In the case of the Greens, Adam Bandt has a meeting with himself to decide on a position and he usually supports himself in the lower house.

Everybody is a genius, but if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing it is stupid.
ALBERT EINSTEIN

Trevor

#279
Quote from: stevo qld on March 10, 2022, 05:17:55 PM
One should remember that in most cases, the Government parties and the Oppositions parties all vote for legislation.

The difference is that Lib, LNP and NAT MPs are allowed to cross the floor and vote against a coalition bill.

On the other hand, labor MP's who vote against Labor, are chucked out of the party.

In the case of the Greens, Adam Bandt has a meeting with himself to decide on a position and he usually supports himself in the lower house.
and Federally you have proof Labor have done that haven't you
I am sick of nit-pickers, looking for mischief where there is none

PHARK IT!!!!!

Trevor

And am I guessing that more Libs/Nats have crossed the floor under the leadership of SloMo than any other Lib PM?
I am sick of nit-pickers, looking for mischief where there is none

PHARK IT!!!!!

Trevor

also noted that you are still diverting away from my questions
I am sick of nit-pickers, looking for mischief where there is none

PHARK IT!!!!!

stevo qld

QuoteParty discipline
In Australia, as in other Westminster parliaments, the major political parties value party unity and, as a result, attempt to limit dissent and keep their parliamentary members supporting the party line. [6]

The three major parties—Labor, Liberal and the Nationals—differ in the way party discipline is enforced. The Labor Party has a formal pledge that binds all Labor MPs to support the collective decisions of the Caucus and has expelled MPs who breached the pledge. While the Liberal Party does not have a pledge there is a tension between party discipline and personal freedom. Former Liberal Party President, John Valder, stated in a 1983 report that:

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1920/CrossingTheFloorFederalParliament

Personally, i don't care to enter your little abusive games. If you want the names of expelled members, then do your research. If you are happy to believe it otherwise, then I am pleased that you are happy.

Of course. Coalition members cross the floor in greater numbers. It is allowed by their parties.  The article gives extensive lists going back in time.

Everybody is a genius, but if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing it is stupid.
ALBERT EINSTEIN

Trevor

and you still haven't answered my questions
I am sick of nit-pickers, looking for mischief where there is none

PHARK IT!!!!!

stevo qld

Quote from: Trevor on March 10, 2022, 07:26:35 PM
and you still haven't answered my questions

Y O H M C W S W G A S W Y T!
Everybody is a genius, but if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing it is stupid.
ALBERT EINSTEIN