COVID-19 discussion

[mikeamerica84]

'merica, what can you say???  I bet they were Trump supporters too


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/anti-vaxxers-die-of-covid-after-finding-misinformation-on-facebook/news-story/e098f25254ba42c2e16d0a8b25858706

I'll ring in on this one, Trev.  I am not taking the high road or the low road with respect to the virus and the vax.  I'll just give you the spin of what is becoming a large amount of American citizens:

Let us read your link.  Where did you get this crap article?  Who wrote it?  How true can it be from some news group in Oz reporting on some couple in the States.  This could easily be click bait for pro-vaxxers drumming up their cause against the ones who are still opposed to the government telling what they  can and cannot do.

Now, as I have said that, THAT is where the American citizens are going with respect to their news coverage.  We are so divided right and left, and the news media is also.  What can you believe that is reported these days?  Neither side can be 100% accurate.  Now spin that off on the government and the CDC (Center for Disease Control).  People are starting to question the guidance and reports coming out of that organization for the media can spin it either way.

THAT is where America is right now.  Myself?  I really do not trust ANY media reports anymore for the coverage of this topic and how to deal with it is so split in half.  I respect the opinions of all, but for me..... I am standing here with my arms out and palms up, and many Yanks are now doing the same.

I went to a local dirt speedway tonight for their season closer.  Not a mask in sight.  No social distancing.  No extra hand sanitizing stations anywhere.  It has pretty much been this way all summer long here.  Right, wrong, or indifferent, what a different paradigm than what you guys are dealing with.  I honestly think America is getting to the point where the masses are going to just start rejecting authority in this arena.

Please hope for the best for us as I am for you.  I understand the health and welfare of the masses, but I also understand what rights our leaders have and do not have with making us do things.  The latter is the loose cannon in the room.

[Sonic]

And friends of mine in the US are also upset as people they know who have been double jabbed are now also dead from the virus. Vax or not you can be equally dead.

I would love to see some REAL evidence of this, not hearsay, not Chinese Whispers, not fanatical right wing reporting, but real hard facts

kinda like what people have been asking for since day one on reports of who has died from c19 since day 1 that has had us prisoners in our own homes?

[Sonic]

'merica, what can you say???  I bet they were Trump supporters too


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/anti-vaxxers-die-of-covid-after-finding-misinformation-on-facebook/news-story/e098f25254ba42c2e16d0a8b25858706

I'll ring in on this one, Trev.  I am not taking the high road or the low road with respect to the virus and the vax.  I'll just give you the spin of what is becoming a large amount of American citizens:

Let us read your link.  Where did you get this crap article?  Who wrote it?  How true can it be from some news group in Oz reporting on some couple in the States.  This could easily be click bait for pro-vaxxers drumming up their cause against the ones who are still opposed to the government telling what they  can and cannot do.

Now, as I have said that, THAT is where the American citizens are going with respect to their news coverage.  We are so divided right and left, and the news media is also.  What can you believe that is reported these days?  Neither side can be 100% accurate.  Now spin that off on the government and the CDC (Center for Disease Control).  People are starting to question the guidance and reports coming out of that organization for the media can spin it either way.

THAT is where America is right now.  Myself?  I really do not trust ANY media reports anymore for the coverage of this topic and how to deal with it is so split in half.  I respect the opinions of all, but for me..... I am standing here with my arms out and palms up, and many Yanks are now doing the same.

I went to a local dirt speedway tonight for their season closer.  Not a mask in sight.  No social distancing.  No extra hand sanitizing stations anywhere.  It has pretty much been this way all summer long here.  Right, wrong, or indifferent, what a different paradigm than what you guys are dealing with.  I honestly think America is getting to the point where the masses are going to just start rejecting authority in this arena.

Please hope for the best for us as I am for you.  I understand the health and welfare of the masses, but I also understand what rights our leaders have and do not have with making us do things.  The latter is the loose cannon in the room.

fair comment. the slamming between sides (whichever you may be on) has been pretty pathetic in some places that has seen the destruction of friendships that have withstood so much.

[djr18fan]

'merica, what can you say???  I bet they were Trump supporters too


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/anti-vaxxers-die-of-covid-after-finding-misinformation-on-facebook/news-story/e098f25254ba42c2e16d0a8b25858706

I'll ring in on this one, Trev.  I am not taking the high road or the low road with respect to the virus and the vax.  I'll just give you the spin of what is becoming a large amount of American citizens:

Let us read your link.  Where did you get this crap article?  Who wrote it?  How true can it be from some news group in Oz reporting on some couple in the States.  This could easily be click bait for pro-vaxxers drumming up their cause against the ones who are still opposed to the government telling what they  can and cannot do.

Now, as I have said that, THAT is where the American citizens are going with respect to their news coverage.  We are so divided right and left, and the news media is also.  What can you believe that is reported these days?  Neither side can be 100% accurate.  Now spin that off on the government and the CDC (Center for Disease Control).  People are starting to question the guidance and reports coming out of that organization for the media can spin it either way.

THAT is where America is right now.  Myself?  I really do not trust ANY media reports anymore for the coverage of this topic and how to deal with it is so split in half.  I respect the opinions of all, but for me..... I am standing here with my arms out and palms up, and many Yanks are now doing the same.

I went to a local dirt speedway tonight for their season closer.  Not a mask in sight.  No social distancing.  No extra hand sanitizing stations anywhere.  It has pretty much been this way all summer long here.  Right, wrong, or indifferent, what a different paradigm than what you guys are dealing with.  I honestly think America is getting to the point where the masses are going to just start rejecting authority in this arena.

Please hope for the best for us as I am for you.  I understand the health and welfare of the masses, but I also understand what rights our leaders have and do not have with making us do things.  The latter is the loose cannon in the room.

This is the part I find some interesting. And alarming.
"Neither side can be 100% accurate."

Why not?
Are there only 2 sides?

It appears that many people chose what they want to believe.
Even if there is a source of truth, people can easily find an alternative, chose to believe that, and claim the other source is false.

It's so easy for anyone or any organisation to put out a story these days therefore it's easy for people to find the truth they want to believe in for whatever reason.

[Trevor]

fair comment. the slamming between sides (whichever you may be on) has been pretty pathetic in some places that has seen the destruction of friendships that have withstood so much.

even divided families, it has created problems in mine

[Trevor]

'merica, what can you say???  I bet they were Trump supporters too


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/anti-vaxxers-die-of-covid-after-finding-misinformation-on-facebook/news-story/e098f25254ba42c2e16d0a8b25858706

I'll ring in on this one, Trev.  I am not taking the high road or the low road with respect to the virus and the vax.  I'll just give you the spin of what is becoming a large amount of American citizens:

Let us read your link.  Where did you get this crap article?  Who wrote it?  How true can it be from some news group in Oz reporting on some couple in the States.  This could easily be click bait for pro-vaxxers drumming up their cause against the ones who are still opposed to the government telling what they  can and cannot do.

Now, as I have said that, THAT is where the American citizens are going with respect to their news coverage.  We are so divided right and left, and the news media is also.  What can you believe that is reported these days?  Neither side can be 100% accurate.  Now spin that off on the government and the CDC (Center for Disease Control).  People are starting to question the guidance and reports coming out of that organization for the media can spin it either way.

THAT is where America is right now.  Myself?  I really do not trust ANY media reports anymore for the coverage of this topic and how to deal with it is so split in half.  I respect the opinions of all, but for me..... I am standing here with my arms out and palms up, and many Yanks are now doing the same.

I went to a local dirt speedway tonight for their season closer.  Not a mask in sight.  No social distancing.  No extra hand sanitizing stations anywhere.  It has pretty much been this way all summer long here.  Right, wrong, or indifferent, what a different paradigm than what you guys are dealing with.  I honestly think America is getting to the point where the masses are going to just start rejecting authority in this arena.

Please hope for the best for us as I am for you.  I understand the health and welfare of the masses, but I also understand what rights our leaders have and do not have with making us do things.  The latter is the loose cannon in the room.

we are hearing of thousands of deaths in the USA, isn't your media reporting them?

I have been saying for months that we need accurate truthful reportting on the deaths - died 'from' or died 'with' for example

[djr18fan]

And friends of mine in the US are also upset as people they know who have been double jabbed are now also dead from the virus. Vax or not you can be equally dead.

I would love to see some REAL evidence of this, not hearsay, not Chinese Whispers, not fanatical right wing reporting, but real hard facts

kinda like what people have been asking for since day one on reports of who has died from c19 since day 1 that has had us prisoners in our own homes?

There's a heap of reports on american news sites quoting CDC studies and death rates for vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

Here's one from the BBC using death statistics in England. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58545548
Reports of deaths of vaccinated people in numbers remotely approaching deaths amongst unvaccinated appear not to exist.
I'm sure someone knows someone who had a relative.... But that isn't as reliable as actual statistics on a national scale.

[Trevor]

I think people who are claiming that Government (federal & state) are doing these lock-downs for some unfathomable reason other than public health are ****ed in the head - sorry

like it or not I genuinely believe they have been what they have been doing it for nothing more than public health reasons - was it / is it the right thing - history will tell us

If people believe that Government of both Left and Right, right across Australia and the world can all be on the same page, even countries that hate each others guts can all be reading the same page - it defies logic that anyone thinks that this was dreamt up for some ulterior motive

Even Russians are refusing to be vaccinated with Sputnik5 due to media hysteria - if any country wouldn't play 'the game' it would Russia, but even they are on side

[Trevor]

I would like to think that of all the countries Australia would report facts, there is so much distrust between Premiers that telling the truth seems a normal thing to do - of course they all (except maybe Andrews) 'feather' the truth, leave bit sout, spin in some way.  I know it is an art form for some, like SloMo

The media is pretty relentless here - SkyNews is forever trying to trip up Andrews, but every day he makes her look more and more stupid, with her relentless inane questions. The unflappable State Health Minister pretty much just roles his eyes at her questions

[djr18fan]

I would like to think that of all the countries Australia would report facts, there is so much distrust between Premiers that telling the truth seems a normal thing to do - of course they all (except maybe Andrews) 'feather' the truth, leave bit sout, spin in some way.  I know it is an art form for some, like SloMo

The media is pretty relentless here - SkyNews is forever trying to trip up Andrews, but every day he makes her look more and more stupid, with her relentless inane questions. The unflappable State Health Minister pretty much just roles his eyes at her questions

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I would like to think that of all the countries Australia would report facts, there is so much distrust between Premiers that telling the truth seems a normal thing to do - of course they all (except maybe Andrews) 'feather' the truth, leave bit sout, spin in some way.  I know it is an art form for some, like SloMo

The media is pretty relentless here - SkyNews is forever trying to trip up Andrews, but every day he makes her look more and more stupid, with her relentless inane questions. The unflappable State Health Minister pretty much just roles his eyes at her questions

I think pretty much all media report facts.
But some (maybe all) avoid reporting some facts that they know their readers / viewers don't want to see. They have their viewer base, and know they will lose viewers to an alternative outlet if they publish certain news. So they simply don't publish some news. I note they don't publish statistics that say lots of people are having serious adverse vaccination reactions, or dying despite being vaccinated. They leave that to their viewers in their comments section. I'm sure if that data existed they'd publish it.
And I've noticed an increase in opinion published as if it was news. From a news perspective, publishing an item that is about what someone says is not necessarily supporting that view. But often it looks like it.
Add in the occasional story of one person that had an adverse reaction and you've published news and satisfied your client base.

[Sonic]

fair comment. the slamming between sides (whichever you may be on) has been pretty pathetic in some places that has seen the destruction of friendships that have withstood so much.

even divided families, it has created problems in mine

Have seen that too Trev. Folk have lost the ability to have different ideas (rightly or wrongly held) and remain on good terms. Sad, sad stuff.

[djr18fan]

fair comment. the slamming between sides (whichever you may be on) has been pretty pathetic in some places that has seen the destruction of friendships that have withstood so much.

even divided families, it has created problems in mine

Have seen that too Trev. Folk have lost the ability to have different ideas (rightly or wrongly held) and remain on good terms. Sad, sad stuff.

It's nothing new.
Differing views on religion, money, sex, alcohol & drugs, where to live, children, care for family members, the disabled, even diet & television viewing can all have the same impact.

[Trevor]

I think pretty much all media report facts.
But some (maybe all) avoid reporting some facts that they know their readers / viewers don't want to see. They have their viewer base, and know they will lose viewers to an alternative outlet if they publish certain news. So they simply don't publish some news. I note they don't publish statistics that say lots of people are having serious adverse vaccination reactions, or dying despite being vaccinated. They leave that to their viewers in their comments section. I'm sure if that data existed they'd publish it.
And I've noticed an increase in opinion published as if it was news. From a news perspective, publishing an item that is about what someone says is not necessarily supporting that view. But often it looks like it.
Add in the occasional story of one person that had an adverse reaction and you've published news and satisfied your client base.

there is a big issue with media here, too much power sits in too few hands

Reporting of facts has become a thing of the past - giving opinions is much more interesting.  I have seen 'journalists' getting into arguments with people they are interviewing - WTF is that all about?  Just ask the hard hitting good questions and let them respond, with good questions most time they will hang themselves

It is easy to think some (most) journalists are lazy, Media watch (on the ABC) report on that a lot, but in reality the guts has been cut out of a lot of media outlets, they share news, never have time to fact check. 

Watching the news most nights (even ABC) and you are left thinking that the 'news article' was just a sales pitch for a business.  I laugh when I see a 'medical breakthrough', they have a Doctor or some other medical specialist and a sufferer who is on the road to recovery, you see it time and time again, makes me laugh

[AlbertM]

The only time there is two sides to a story is who started a bar fight. There are no two side over cold hard facts. Ego prevents people accepting facts when they go against their beliefs. Politics and the media play on that. The weak minded and lazy will always fall for it.

[Troy01505]

Media are not even half the problem. It's social media, influencers and the gullible that are majority of the problem.

One side has a death of a fully vaccinated person that catches Covid and then goes and dies with a brain tumour and the vaccine is a poison crowd blame the vaccine. Then you'll have the Vaccine Nazis that claim the guy hit by a truck and died had Covid so the death was their own fault because they're an anti-vaxer. It's become a bigger joke then the flat earth conspiracy.