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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2021, 09:20:02 AM »
5.4 Coyote and either the 5.7 or 6.2 LS: I like this move, more in line with what our cars run.
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/05/28/gen3-engine-details-come-to-light/

Article suggests it's not happening, but forgo engine parity and introduce timed pit stops? If they want a GT series just bloody adopt it!
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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2021, 09:26:46 AM »
So even if we assume that Supercars achieves aerodynamic parity with Gen3 (which they probably won't), teams and fans will be able to discuss engine parity instead!
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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2021, 10:35:53 AM »

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2021, 12:42:13 PM »
Burgess reckons testing will start in August...

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/06/02/supercars-set-to-begin-gen3-prototype-testing-in-august/?fbclid=IwAR1Gtn2hke-zH-eqf5cqMysN_uScrJk8EQOBXsiGz2A_hJAd-RvJwfiUE0o


I see the exhaust outlets are in front of the driver.

They're mounted like that for packaging of a hybrid system somewhere down the track.

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2021, 01:52:48 PM »
Burgess reckons testing will start in August...

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/06/02/supercars-set-to-begin-gen3-prototype-testing-in-august/?fbclid=IwAR1Gtn2hke-zH-eqf5cqMysN_uScrJk8EQOBXsiGz2A_hJAd-RvJwfiUE0o


I see the exhaust outlets are in front of the driver.

They're mounted like that for packaging of a hybrid system somewhere down the track.

Still don't like them there. There's just too much that can go wrong.

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2021, 05:01:33 PM »

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2021, 10:07:40 PM »
Surprise, surprise!
The cost of a gen 3 is increasing...
Who'da thunk it?  :) 

https://autoaction.com.au/2021/06/02/gen3-cost-creep-confirmed?fbclid=IwAR0x5CaMEYLKQCAgJ9-AYE2ZZRaGaL8cDqnCPNSswwfP2tdmLkUIa1JVk4E

I reckon $600k plus and if it’s not that high straight of the bat then it will be once teams chase the extra 1/10s

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2021, 04:39:09 AM »
Cost of a vehicle is a minor part of operations. There's a lot of positive news in that article.

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2021, 09:43:47 AM »
My thoughts about the Gen 3 for what they are worth.

To be honest I am still trying to work out why there is such a big deal over paddle vs stick shift. I know that there was a similar debate when things switched from the H pattern to the sequential box and now I suspect that a number of people would not care that much about it. Supercars are trying to promote a new generation of cars however, the issue that I see it is that there is just a big pile of uncertainty about what the finished product will be.

I fully acknowledge that the old idea of win on Sunday sell on Monday is never going to happen and that the final product will be unlikely to look much like the road going version that they are based on. However, Supercars keep pushing this message that the racing will be closer than ever and the inevitable parity word then raises its head.

The Parity discussion is one that I hate. The absolute reality is that unless every single car is made exactly the same by the same people and everything down to the last nut a bold is the same there is always going to be a difference in cars. This is not necessarily a bad thing. Some cars will suit some tracks better than others and vice verse. That is no difference with the current generation of cars. There are some tracks that suit the Holden badged cars and there are others that suit the ford badged cars.

The cars are unlikely to be cheaper to make despite any claims that are being made about this. The reality is that teams will look for a way to build fasters cars within the rules. That is the whole point of the good race teams, they look for ways or loopholes within the rules to build the fastest car possible and to win races. To suggest anything else simply ignores the reality of the point of racing. Teams looking for these advantages will spend as much as they are able to within their budgets to find these gains.

my thoughts anyway for what they are worth.

 

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2021, 05:02:08 PM »
There will be no development of cars or engines according to this

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/06/03/supercars-to-end-arms-race-with-gen3/

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2021, 05:03:51 PM »

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #56 on: June 04, 2021, 08:33:22 AM »
give them one gearing setup to use for the year, stop them changing everything for every track they go to... make them adapt the driver rather than the car.
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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #57 on: June 04, 2021, 03:30:15 PM »
And the purpose of paddle shift is to reduce costs

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/06/03/why-supercars-is-serious-about-paddle-shift-auto-blip/

They also then need to introduce traction control, so spinning the rear wheels out of a corner and losing control hitting a wall can’t happen, thus reducing repair costs. Same as we need ABS, so a driver can’t lock a brake and slide into the wall, thus reducing repair costs.

Maybe we need to race Isle of Man TT style too, less wheel to wheel racing will reduce costs too

Racing costs money, period.

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #58 on: June 04, 2021, 04:12:28 PM »
There will be no development of cars or engines according to this

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/06/03/supercars-to-end-arms-race-with-gen3/

I find the story quite ironic really. They keep saying that they are reducing costs by making a lot of parts spec but at the same time trying to say there will still be plenty of things to chance for teams to make things interesting.

You are either making things spec or not. You can't have it both ways.

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #59 on: June 04, 2021, 06:24:37 PM »
give them one gearing setup to use for the year, stop them changing everything for every track they go to... make them adapt the driver rather than the car.

I change the diff between different hillclimbs! Let them change however they see fit, they'd all probably run the same anyway, but I don't know why there's a rule for specific ratio's at each track.

...and... GEN 3 POSTPONED:
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/statement-regarding-gen3-timeline/

Mid-season? (August).
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