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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #75 on: July 03, 2021, 06:02:05 PM »
There should be new Supercar owners before 2022, so many of the current Gen 3 criticisms will hopefully cease to be relevant.
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« Reply #76 on: July 05, 2021, 04:31:17 PM »
If they don't hurray up and get the Gen3 on the track GM supports will be supporting a vehicle that is memory sooner than they thought.
 
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Meanwhile, news from the Mustang's long-time rival is even worse. The Chevrolet Camaro logged just 2,792 sales for the same period, representing a deathly 58.2-percent drop compared to last year. To make that live for you, Ford nearly sold as many Mustangs in June alone as Chevy sold Camaros through the entire spring season. Yes, there are rumors that GM will keep the Camaro around until 2026, but sales numbers dwindle with every report that comes out and you know GM executives are aware of it.



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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #77 on: July 06, 2021, 04:15:41 AM »
There should be new Supercar owners before 2022, so many of the current Gen 3 criticisms will hopefully cease to be relevant.

"Fans" will invent new criticisms.

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #78 on: July 06, 2021, 12:23:05 PM »

Meanwhile, news from the Mustang's long-time rival is even worse. The Chevrolet Camaro logged just 2,792 sales for the same period, representing a deathly 58.2-percent drop compared to last year. To make that live for you, Ford nearly sold as many Mustangs in June alone as Chevy sold Camaros through the entire spring season. Yes, there are rumors that GM will keep the Camaro around until 2026, but sales numbers dwindle with every report that comes out and you know GM executives are aware of it.
They're aware of it, and they know where those sales went to. Not many went to the Mustang, but to a car in a higher price class - the Corvette C8. Because of supply problems, GM can't sell as many Corvettes as buyers want, but it is the sales leader in its class, selling more units than all its competitors combined. Not that the Corvette has anything to do with Gen 3, but this helps explain the Camaro's sad sales figures.

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #79 on: July 08, 2021, 03:47:30 PM »
That might explain why but it doesn't change the fact that the Camaro is basically a dead duck with those sales figures and it will be shot well before 2026.

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #80 on: July 08, 2021, 09:49:14 PM »
You're right, but what do sales figures have to do with a silhouette class of parity racing anyway? It didn't help Holden or Falcon sales, nor Altima or Volvo sales either. I wouldn't know if Nissan or Volvo still sell any Altimas or S60s, but if they do, Supercars didn't help. Supercars embarrassed the Mercedes name, and on it goes. Just go for teams and drivers and forget the brand the car is pretending to be.

Yeah, almost this! I just pick a driver now and will follow them wherever they go

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« Reply #81 on: July 09, 2021, 05:06:16 AM »
You're right, but what do sales figures have to do with a silhouette class of parity racing anyway? It didn't help Holden or Falcon sales, nor Altima or Volvo sales either. I wouldn't know if Nissan or Volvo still sell any Altimas or S60s, but if they do, Supercars didn't help. Supercars embarrassed the Mercedes name, and on it goes. Just go for teams and drivers and forget the brand the car is pretending to be.

Last I heard, supercars requires a manufactures blessing to run a silhouette of their car. If Camaro ceased to exist, it's likely that shape won't be in the category.

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #82 on: July 20, 2021, 07:57:01 AM »
https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/07/20/supercars-holds-talks-with-european-manufacturer/

That time of the year again where Supercars spin their “new manufacturer” bull****

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #83 on: July 21, 2021, 07:59:14 PM »
I hope that with Gen 3, Supercars get rid of a few bull**** regulations that have no practical purpose.

e.g. In a race that has only ONE tyre compound, cars are expected to have the alternative compound light in the windscreen lit.

One driver, Percat I think, was warned about his delay in turning the light on. BJR leave it off in the pits to preserve battery power. Maybe BJR are wrong in their approach. I simply do not know.

But, I do know that requiring the light on is simply not needed and does nothing to aid the viewing perceptions or further inform other drivers or teams.

There are quite a few other requirements that serve no useful purpose.
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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #84 on: July 22, 2021, 09:08:10 AM »
I hope that with Gen 3, Supercars get rid of a few bull**** regulations that have no practical purpose.

e.g. In a race that has only ONE tyre compound, cars are expected to have the alternative compound light in the windscreen lit.

One driver, Percat I think, was warned about his delay in turning the light on. BJR leave it off in the pits to preserve battery power. Maybe BJR are wrong in their approach. I simply do not know.

But, I do know that requiring the light on is simply not needed and does nothing to aid the viewing perceptions or further inform other drivers or teams.

There are quite a few other requirements that serve no useful purpose.

That light may be useless to TV viewers, but trackside it lets people know what tyre compound they're on and whether the main or co-driver is in the car. Both pretty useful things when you're trackside and trying to piece together someone's strategy.
Once cars evenly space out you hear jack squat of the trackside commentary.

Trackside at the 2014 Bathurst, we didn't even know Whincup had fuel dramas until about 5 laps to go, meanwhile on TV they were going on about it for pretty well the whole final stint.
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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #85 on: July 22, 2021, 10:48:42 AM »
I hope that with Gen 3, Supercars get rid of a few bull**** regulations that have no practical purpose.

e.g. In a race that has only ONE tyre compound, cars are expected to have the alternative compound light in the windscreen lit.

One driver, Percat I think, was warned about his delay in turning the light on. BJR leave it off in the pits to preserve battery power. Maybe BJR are wrong in their approach. I simply do not know.

But, I do know that requiring the light on is simply not needed and does nothing to aid the viewing perceptions or further inform other drivers or teams.

There are quite a few other requirements that serve no useful purpose.

That light may be useless to TV viewers, but trackside it lets people know what tyre compound they're on and whether the main or co-driver is in the car. Both pretty useful things when you're trackside and trying to piece together someone's strategy.
Once cars evenly space out you hear jack squat of the trackside commentary.

Trackside at the 2014 Bathurst, we didn't even know Whincup had fuel dramas until about 5 laps to go, meanwhile on TV they were going on about it for pretty well the whole final stint.

When, as I suggested, there is only ONE tyre type used for the whole race, may I further suggest that any rival team that needs a light to show the tyre compound being used would have a very real problem in their technical departments. A similar scenario applies when there are no co-drivers.
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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #86 on: July 22, 2021, 11:33:02 AM »
I hope that with Gen 3, Supercars get rid of a few bull**** regulations that have no practical purpose.

e.g. In a race that has only ONE tyre compound, cars are expected to have the alternative compound light in the windscreen lit.

One driver, Percat I think, was warned about his delay in turning the light on. BJR leave it off in the pits to preserve battery power. Maybe BJR are wrong in their approach. I simply do not know.

But, I do know that requiring the light on is simply not needed and does nothing to aid the viewing perceptions or further inform other drivers or teams.

There are quite a few other requirements that serve no useful purpose.

That light may be useless to TV viewers, but trackside it lets people know what tyre compound they're on and whether the main or co-driver is in the car. Both pretty useful things when you're trackside and trying to piece together someone's strategy.
Once cars evenly space out you hear jack squat of the trackside commentary.

Trackside at the 2014 Bathurst, we didn't even know Whincup had fuel dramas until about 5 laps to go, meanwhile on TV they were going on about it for pretty well the whole final stint.

When, as I suggested, there is only ONE tyre type used for the whole race, may I further suggest that any rival team that needs a light to show the tyre compound being used would have a very real problem in their technical departments. A similar scenario applies when there are no co-drivers.

So rounds without mixed tyre compounds or enduros have no light, and vice versa with a light?
End result = teams still paying for a light... why's it matter? It has nothing to do with tipping off rival teams, all to do with letting trackside viewers and potentially race control know who/whats on the car.

A light is not Supercars Gen3's problem that needs solving.
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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #87 on: July 27, 2021, 11:03:50 PM »
It is reported that TRE may be testing their engine,

The interesting thing is that they are using an Asian TA2 Mercedes.

Could this be a pointer to an Australian team using a Mercedes body shape and a TRE engine?

there are a few teams yet to commit to GM or Ford.

https://autoaction.com.au/2021/07/27/possible-gen3-engine-test-mule-spotted-on-track




Later additional info:

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A Mercedes-AMG C63 bodied TA2 race car was fitted with the prototype 5.7-litre V8 with KRE Race Engines personnel and Supercars engine consultant Craig Haysted in attendance.

It’s understood Prince Jefri Ibrahim cut the lion’s share of laps in the space-frame chassis with the prototype engine.

Triple Eight Race Engineering’s drivers Jamie Whincup and Shane van Gisbergen also completed a handful of laps.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/07/28/triple-eight-tests-gen3-engine-prototype-in-ta2/
https://tav8racing.com/replica-mercedes-amg-c63-for-sale/


Maybe the Prince is just getting a new car prepared for over there. Could 888 be running the TA2 Mercedes for him over there (with correct engine.).
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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #88 on: July 28, 2021, 01:28:43 PM »
That might explain why but it doesn't change the fact that the Camaro is basically a dead duck with those sales figures and it will be shot well before 2026.
Well that didn't take long :D

Supercars yet to be on the track Camaro will be shot in 2024 so it will have 3 years racing as a current production.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/968820/chevrolet-camaro-production-to-end-in-2024-electric-performance-sedan-to-replace-it-in-2025-report/?utm_source=Nine-Rail&utm_medium=Referral

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Re: Gen 3
« Reply #89 on: July 28, 2021, 08:45:05 PM »
Hearing a few rumours now that the new chassis is becoming a debacle.  A lot more steel in it for safety but it's 100 odd kg heavier as a result but has less torsional stiffness than the current gen.  If that's the case it will certainly make them more of a handful to drive which will be good for spectators at least.